CivitAI Clubs make Community RAGE
TLDRThe video discusses the controversy surrounding Civ's introduction of 'clubs,' a feature akin to Patreon for supporting creators. Criticisms include the confusing use of 'bus' as virtual currency and the lack of direct financial support to creators. The video suggests improvements such as clearer communication of club purposes and the option for ad-free experiences or enhanced resources. It emphasizes the importance of recognizing and compensating creators for their contributions to AI image generation, advocating for a more community-focused approach to financial support.
Takeaways
- 🤔 Civ's introduction of 'clubs', similar to Patreon, has been met with confusion and criticism.
- 💰 The requirement to purchase and use virtual currency ('bus') before supporting creators adds an unnecessary step.
- 💸 There are concerns that the money might first go to Civ and then be distributed to creators, which is not ideal.
- 😕 The naming and categorization of clubs (e.g., 'Real Cartoon Fan Club', 'Comedy Club') is seen as strange and potentially off-putting.
- 😶 The lack of content on club pages, such as empty feeds and posts, makes it difficult for users to understand what they're paying for.
- 📹 Suggestion to include videos on club pages to better explain the concept and value to potential supporters.
- 🚫 The idea of 'enhanced resources' is a bit unclear, but could be improved by offering additional data or insights into model training.
- 🎥 Timed exclusive access and metadata insights are seen as reasonable and beneficial for supporters, akin to early access for YouTube videos.
- 💡 The community's role in driving AI image generation through open-source contributions is highlighted and appreciated.
- 🤝 There is a call for recognition and support of creators who generously share their resources for free, through donations or other means.
- 🤔 The script questions the sustainability of the current model and the need for a more community-focused approach to supporting creators.
Q & A
What is the main issue with Civ introducing clubs similar to Patreon?
-The main issue is that Civ's clubs require users to purchase a virtual currency (bus) to support creators, which adds an extra step instead of allowing direct financial support. This setup may lead to the perception that Civ takes a cut of the funds before they reach the creators.
Why is the term 'clubs' potentially confusing in the context of Civ's platform?
-The term 'clubs' might be confusing because it's not immediately clear what it refers to or how it functions within the platform. Users might expect a more straightforward naming that directly reflects the purpose of supporting creators.
How does the current system of using a virtual currency (bus) affect the support for creators?
-The use of a virtual currency (bus) creates an extra step in the support process, which could lead to confusion and a sense that the platform is taking a portion of the funds before they reach the creators. This might discourage some users from participating in the support system.
What is the suggestion for improving the club setup on Civ's platform?
-The suggestion is to rework the club setup to more closely resemble platforms like Patreon, allowing for direct financial support to creators. Additionally, it's recommended to provide more information and content on the club pages to give users a clear understanding of what they're supporting.
What are the potential benefits of timed, exclusive access for supporters in the club system?
-Timed, exclusive access allows supporters to see new content or features before it becomes available to the general public. This can be an attractive incentive for users who want early access to creators' work and feel more connected to the creators they support.
How does the concept of enhanced resources work within the club system?
-Enhanced resources could include additional content or data that provides a deeper understanding or expanded use of the creators' work. For example, this could involve detailed information on how a model was trained or tips on how to use it more effectively.
What is the concern regarding the commercial use of models trained on potentially unlicensed images?
-The concern is that if the models were trained on images without proper licensing, offering a paid commercial license for their use could lead to legal issues. Creators would need to ensure they have the rights to the images used for training before offering such licenses.
How has the open-source community contributed to AI image generation?
-The open-source community has been a driving force behind the innovation in AI image generation, investing countless hours and resources to train models and build resources that significantly outperform those provided by some AI companies. They have also chosen to make these resources freely available for others to use and experiment with.
Why is it important for creators to receive support or donations for their work?
-Creators invest their time, knowledge, and often their own money into producing resources like models and UIs. It's important for them to receive support or donations as a form of recognition for their efforts and to help sustain their work, especially if they are creating these resources full-time.
What is the difference in perception towards platforms like Midjourney or Runway compared to Civ?
-Platforms like Midjourney or Runway, which charge for their services from the start and do not release their work into the open-source community, do not seem to face the same level of criticism as Civ. This could be because users expect a certain level of monetization from these platforms, whereas they might have different expectations for a community-driven platform like Civ.
What is the suggestion for Civ's monetization strategy to avoid potential backlash?
-One suggestion is for Civ to introduce ads and offer an ad-free experience for those who pay. However, this might not be the most effective strategy as users might simply turn to ad blockers. The focus should be on improving the club system to better align with the community's needs and expectations.
Outlines
🤔 Criticism of Civ's Club System and Payment Model
The paragraph discusses the issues with Civ's newly introduced club system, which is likened to Patreon but with complications. The speaker criticizes the use of the term 'clubs' and the requirement to purchase a virtual currency (bus) to support creators, questioning why direct monetary support isn't an option. The speaker also raises concerns about the potential for funds to go directly to Civ before reaching creators, and the lack of content and information on the club pages. Suggestions are made for improvements, such as timed exclusive access and enhanced resources, but overall the speaker finds the concept strange and poorly executed.
💡 Suggestions for Improvement and Support of Creators
This paragraph expands on the idea of supporting creators and the need for a more transparent and direct payment model. The speaker acknowledges the value of the community's contributions to AI image generation and criticizes the expectation that creators should work for free. The paragraph also touches on the concept of open source and its role in AI innovation, emphasizing the importance of compensating creators for their time and resources. The speaker suggests that while Civ's approach with clubs has been flawed, creators deserve recognition and donations for their contributions to the community.
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Keywords
💡Civi
💡Clubs
💡Virtual Currency (Bus)
💡Creators
💡Patreon
💡Backlash
💡Open Source
💡Community Models
💡Commercial License
💡Donations
💡Advanced AI
Highlights
Civi introduces 'Clubs', a platform similar to Patreon for supporting creators.
The term 'Clubs' is considered confusing and a strange decision for the platform.
Civi's use of virtual currency 'Bus' for transactions raises questions about direct support to creators.
There are concerns that money may first go to Civi and then possibly to creators, which is seen as an unfavorable structure.
The setup of Clubs, with categories like 'Real Cartoon Fan Club' and 'Comedy Club', is seen as odd and not clearly beneficial for comedians on Civi.
Participation in generation contests and sponsoring them is seen as a sensible aspect of the Clubs.
The lack of content on Club pages, such as empty feeds and posts, suggests a premature launch without enough material for users.
A suggestion to include a video on Club pages to explain the concept, as it is a novel idea for some users.
The concept of timed exclusive access aligns well with existing models like Patreon and could work well for Civi's Clubs.
Enhanced resources are suggested, such as additional data or information on model training, which could provide a deeper understanding for power users.
The idea of offering exclusive metadata insights makes sense and could include workshops or one-on-one sessions for model usage.
The potential issue with the commercial licensing idea is the lack of control over what the models have been trained on.
Open source has been a significant driving force behind AI innovation, especially in image generation.
Community members have generously contributed their time and resources to train models and create resources for free use.
There is a concern that some people believe creators should offer their work for free, ignoring the personal investment behind the creation.
Creators who dedicate their time to developing resources should be fairly compensated, even in the form of donations.
The introduction of Clubs has been met with backlash and is seen as needing rework to better align with community needs.
Creators deserve support in the form of donations for their contributions to the community and the resources they provide.
The video concludes with a call for viewer opinions on the matter and an invitation for further discussion in the comments.