The Ongoing OrangeStorm Giga Disappointment - PrintFixFriday 136
TLDRIn episode 136 of PrintFixFriday, the host discusses various issues with 3D printers, particularly focusing on the OrangeStorm Giga and its problems such as incorrect bed leveling and Z offset issues. The episode also covers the importance of using the correct material profiles and the challenges faced by users with different 3D printer models. Additionally, there's a discussion on firmware updates and the need for companies to contribute back to the community. The host shares his experience with the Soulville SV08, highlighting design flaws and the necessity for improvements despite its competitive pricing. The episode ends with an invitation to the Rocky Mountain RepRapFest and a reminder to prioritize quality over cost when selecting 3D printers.
Takeaways
- 📚 **Material Verification**: It's crucial to check the material used in 3D printing, as using the wrong profile, like a nylon profile for PCTG, can lead to issues like the 'Blobs of Doom'.
- 🎤 **Construct 3D Story**: The story behind Construct 3D and the team is highlighted as worth sharing, indicating the importance of community and personal stories in the 3D printing world.
- 🔍 **Z Offset Issues**: The Orange Storm Giga 3D printers are criticized for their bed leveling problems, which require manual adjustment of Z offsets at multiple points.
- 🛠️ **Firmware Concerns**: There's a call for transparency and contribution back to the community regarding firmware, suggesting that companies using Clipper should maintain closeness to the baseline version.
- 💡 **Custom Builds and Updates**: Custom builds for specific printer needs are acknowledged, but there's a caution against updating firmware without good reason to avoid potential issues.
- ⚙️ **SV08 Design Flaws**: Nero, a member of the Voron design team, points out design flaws in the Soulville SV08, such as belt pathing issues and the need for shimming to prevent rubbing.
- 💰 **Value for Money**: There's a discussion on whether customers would pay more for a printer to ensure quality, highlighting the balance between cost and user experience.
- 🛑 **Nozzle Wear**: It's advised against using brass nozzles for printing abrasive materials as it can lead to rapid wear and damage to the nozzles.
- 🚫 **Firmware Overwrites**: A cautionary tale is shared about firmware updates overwriting previous settings, emphasizing the need for user awareness and company communication.
- 🔄 **Bed Leveling**: The inconvenience of bed leveling on the Orange Storm Giga is discussed, with suggestions for hard mounting the bed to improve the process.
- 📈 **Marketplace Dynamics**: The script touches on the evolving landscape of 3D printer companies and the need for them to innovate and address user concerns to remain competitive.
Q & A
What material was used in the 3D printing issue discussed in the video?
-The material used was PCTG, which is a fantastic material for 3D printing, but the profile used was for Nylon, causing the nozzle to be too hot and the bed to be too cold, leading to a Blob of Doom.
What is the significance of the Construct 3D story mentioned in the video?
-The story behind Construct 3D and its team is considered super cool by the speaker, and they were interviewed at the San Diego Maker Faire. The speaker's interaction with Jacob, a member of the Construct 3D team, and his mother is highlighted as a positive experience.
Why is it important to label materials correctly when using a 3D printer?
-Correct labeling ensures that the right printing profile is used for the material, preventing issues like incorrect bed temperature or nozzle temperature, which can lead to printing failures like the Blob of Doom.
What is the main issue with the Orange Storm Giga 3D printers as discussed in the video?
-The main issue is that the bed is mounted on springs, which is causing problems with Z-offset and leveling. This has led to dissatisfaction among users as they have to manually set Z-offset for each of the nine points on the build plate.
What is the speaker's opinion on the servicing of Construct 3D printers?
-The speaker mentions that servicing a Construct 3D printer is not that bad because they had done some servicing on one of them at a previous event, implying that the process is manageable.
Why does the speaker recommend against updating firmware without a good reason?
-The speaker suggests that updating firmware can sometimes introduce new bugs or issues, as evidenced by the problems experienced by users after a firmware update for the Orange Storm Giga. If the current firmware is working well, there may be no need to risk breaking it with an update.
What is the issue with the firmware update on the Orange Storm Giga printers?
-The firmware update appears to reset the bed leveling to an incorrect Z offset value, causing the printer to malfunction. The speaker suggests that the firmware should not overwrite the old printer config file without warning.
What is the speaker's view on companies using and modifying Mainline Clipper firmware without contributing back?
-The speaker is critical of this practice, believing that companies should keep their modifications as close to the Baseline Clipper as possible and allow users to contribute to the firmware, rather than locking them out from making changes.
Why does the speaker suggest that the Orange Storm Giga might be better as an engraver than a 3D printer?
-The speaker implies that due to the issues with the bed mounting and Z-offset, the printer may perform better in engraving tasks where these issues have less impact, rather than 3D printing where they are critical.
What is the issue with the Soulville SV08 printer discussed in the video?
-The Soulville SV08, a Voron 2.4 clone, has belt pathing issues and a crooked bearing stack due to a short pin used in assembly. This causes the idler pulleys to rub against each other, creating excess friction.
What does the speaker suggest for users who are facing issues with their 3D printers?
-The speaker suggests that users should reach out for help via social media or email, and also encourages them to check their material and printer settings carefully to avoid common mistakes.
Outlines
🚀 3D Printing Challenges and Solutions
The first paragraph discusses various 3D printing issues such as Blobs of Doom caused by incorrect material profiles and bed temperatures. It emphasizes the importance of verifying material specifications and shares a humorous anecdote involving a 'Blob of Doom' incident with the material PCTG. The speaker also invites Jacob and his mom to join a podcast to discuss their experiences with Construct 3D, a company known for its team and innovative products. The paragraph concludes with a call to action for viewers to ensure their 3D printer materials are correctly labeled and stored to avoid such issues.
🤖 Orange Storm Gigas and Firmware Concerns
The second paragraph delves into the problems faced by users of the Orange Storm Gigas 3D printer, particularly with bed leveling and Z-offset issues. It criticizes the design choice of spring-mounted beds and suggests that hard mounting could be a better solution. The speaker expresses disappointment with ElEGO for potential corners cut in the printer's development and discusses the value of large 3D printers for businesses. The paragraph also touches on firmware updates, the importance of community contributions, and the need for companies to maintain a close relationship with baseline Clipper firmware to allow user modifications.
🛠️ Nozzle Wear and Printer Maintenance
The third paragraph highlights the consequences of printing abrasive materials with brass nozzles, leading to rapid wear and poor print quality. It advises against using brass nozzles for abrasives and promotes the use of harder materials like hardened steel or diamond. The speaker also mentions an upcoming event, the Rocky Mountain RepRapFest, where they plan to meet fans and film immersive content. The paragraph concludes with a discussion about design flaws in the Soulville SV08, a Voron 2.4 clone, including belt pathing issues and the need for better assembly quality.
💸 Value and Investment in 3D Printers
The fourth paragraph addresses the trade-offs between cost and quality in 3D printers. It discusses the Soulville SV08's issues with Z drift and compatibility with Oracle profiles, suggesting that the company should prioritize resolving these problems, even if it means charging more for the printer. The speaker invites viewer feedback on whether they would pay more for a higher-quality printer or prefer to fix issues themselves. The paragraph ends with a personal note, thanking patrons for their support and teasing upcoming content, including a completed Voron Trident 3D printer.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡3D Printers
💡Blobs of Doom
💡PCTG
💡Z Offset
💡Firmware Update
💡Construct 3D
💡Bed Springs
💡Clipper
💡Voron 2.4 Clone
💡Nozzle Wear
💡Inductive Probe
Highlights
Issues with 3D printers using the wrong material profiles, leading to printing problems.
The use of PCTG material with a nylon profile caused a significant printing error known as a 'Blob of Doom'.
Construct 3D's story and team were highlighted as being 'super cool' with an interesting background.
The importance of correctly labeling materials to avoid printing errors was emphasized.
The OrangeStorm Giga 3D printer has been facing problems with bed leveling and Z offset issues.
Users reported that the OrangeStorm Giga's build plates require manual Z offset adjustments, which is inconvenient.
The potential risk of firmware updates overwriting custom configurations on 3D printers was discussed.
Concerns about companies using and modifying Clipper firmware without contributing back to the community.
The value of large 3D printers for businesses and the disappointment in the OrangeStorm Giga's launch.
A Patreon Discord member shared their experience of damaging nozzles by printing with abrasive materials.
The necessity of using harder materials like hardened steel or diamond nozzles when printing with abrasives.
An upcoming appearance at the Rocky Mountain RepRapFest with plans for live streams and immersive content.
Nero, a member of the Voron design team, discovered issues with the Soulville SV08, a Voron 2.4 clone.
The Soulville SV08 had belt pathing issues and a crooked bearing stack, indicating potential assembly problems.
Discussion on whether customers would pay more for a 3D printer to ensure quality and avoid self-servicing.
A call to action for viewers to comment on their preferences regarding 3D printer quality and the willingness to pay more for it.
An upcoming review of the Voron Trident 3D printer and its current printing status.