🚨 Prosecutor on a HUNG JURY in Trump trial
Summary
TLDRIn this episode of 'Legal Breakdown', hosts Brian and Glenn discuss the potential for a hung jury in Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York. They explain the unanimous verdict requirement and the judge's role in addressing deliberation issues, including the use of anti-deadlock instructions. The conversation covers possible outcomes like a mistrial and the handling of juror misconduct. The hosts also touch on the implications of a hung jury and the likelihood of a retrial leading to a conviction, emphasizing that there is no limit to the number of trials a defendant can face if a jury cannot reach a verdict.
Takeaways
- 📚 The trial of Donald Trump is discussed, with a focus on the possibility of a hung jury and the implications of one.
- 🔍 The process of how a hung jury is handled in a trial is explained, including the judge's instructions and the potential for a mistrial.
- 👥 It takes a unanimous decision from all 12 jurors to reach a verdict of guilty or not guilty; any split can lead to a hung jury.
- 🚫 The judge will not want to know the specifics of the jury's vote split but will offer assistance if they are having trouble reaching a unanimous verdict.
- 📝 Jurors can send a note to the judge if they are unable to reach a unanimous verdict, without revealing the specifics of the split.
- 👨⚖️ If a hung jury occurs, the judge may give an 'anti-deadlock instruction' to encourage further deliberation towards reaching a unanimous decision.
- 🔄 The Winters instruction is a commonly used anti-deadlock instruction, urging jurors to listen to each other's views and consider changing their stance if convinced by the evidence.
- 🚨 If a juror is found to be engaging in misconduct, such as refusing to deliberate or bringing in unauthorized evidence, they can be dismissed.
- 🔄 If a juror is dismissed for misconduct, an alternate juror may be brought in, and the deliberations start anew as if from the beginning.
- 🛑 A mistrial can be declared if the judge determines that the deliberations have been irreparably tainted by juror misconduct.
- 🔄 In the event of a hung jury and a mistrial, the case can be retried, and it is common for a conviction to occur in the second trial due to improved prosecution strategy.
Q & A
What is the significance of a hung jury in the context of Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York?
-A hung jury refers to a situation where the jurors cannot reach a unanimous verdict, which could potentially result in a mistrial. In the context of Donald Trump's criminal trial, a hung jury would mean that despite the evidence presented, the jury is unable to agree on a guilty or not guilty verdict, complicating the path to conviction.
How does the process of deliberation work in a trial like Donald Trump's?
-After closing arguments, the judge instructs the jury to deliberate in private. If the jury encounters any issues or problems during deliberations, they can communicate with the judge through a written note. The judge does not want to know the specifics of the vote but is willing to assist if there are difficulties in reaching a unanimous verdict.
What is the requirement for a verdict in a criminal trial?
-In a criminal trial, a unanimous verdict is required. This means all 12 jurors must agree that the defendant is either guilty or not guilty. Any split in the votes, such as 11-1 or any other numeric split, would result in a hung jury.
What happens if the jury appears to be unable to reach a unanimous verdict?
-If the jury seems unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the judge will typically give an anti-deadlock instruction. This is designed to encourage the jurors to try harder to reach unanimity without giving up their firmly held views or beliefs about the evidence.
Can you explain the Winters instruction and its purpose?
-The Winters instruction is a commonly used anti-deadlock instruction. It encourages jurors to listen to each other's opinions and arguments with an open mind, with the goal of reaching a unanimous verdict without compromising their firmly held beliefs about the evidence.
What actions can the judge take if the jury declares that they are hopelessly deadlocked?
-If the jury declares that they are hopelessly deadlocked, the judge will declare a mistrial. This means the trial will not result in a verdict, and the case may be retried or dismissed.
What is considered juror misconduct, and how is it addressed?
-Juror misconduct includes actions such as refusing to participate in deliberations, bringing in unauthorized materials, or otherwise not following the court's instructions. If misconduct is suspected, the judge can conduct an individual voir dire, questioning each juror about the alleged misconduct, and may dismiss the offending juror.
What are the possible outcomes if a juror is dismissed during deliberations due to misconduct?
-If a juror is dismissed for misconduct, the deliberating jury may proceed to verdict with just 11 jurors, an alternate juror may be brought in to replace the dismissed juror, or the judge may declare a mistrial if the remaining jurors have been tainted by the misconduct.
How does a mistrial impact the possibility of a retrial?
-A mistrial does not prevent a retrial. The prosecutor can choose to retry the case, and in many cases, a retrial can result in a conviction, as the prosecution may be better prepared and the defense's strategies may be more predictable.
Is there a limit to the number of times a defendant can be tried for the same crime?
-No, there is no legal limit to the number of times a defendant can be tried for the same crime. If a jury cannot reach a verdict, the trial is considered void ab initio, meaning it is as if it never happened, and the defendant can be retried without violating the double jeopardy clause.
What is the role of the judge in applying the law during a trial, and how might this apply to Donald Trump's case?
-The judge's role is to apply the law as it is established in their jurisdiction, without concern for the collateral consequences. In Donald Trump's case, Judge Maran is expected to follow New York state law as it applies to hung juries and mistrials, regardless of any potential outcry from Trump about the trial's fairness.
Outlines
🏛️ Trial Process and Hung Jury Scenario
The paragraph discusses the potential for a hung jury in Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York. It explains the process that occurs after closing arguments, where the judge instructs the jury on how to communicate any issues during deliberation. The focus is on the possibility of a single juror preventing a unanimous decision, which would result in a hung jury. The speaker, presumably a legal expert, outlines the steps the court would take to address such a situation, including the use of an anti-deadlock instruction to encourage the jury to reach a unanimous verdict, as exemplified by the Winters instruction. The paragraph emphasizes the importance of a unanimous decision for either a guilty or not guilty verdict and the implications of a hung jury leading to a mistrial.
👥 Juror Misconduct and Its Resolution
This paragraph delves into the issue of juror misconduct and its impact on the deliberation process. It describes how the secrecy of deliberations is highly respected, but if misconduct is suspected, the judge can investigate by questioning jurors individually. Examples of misconduct are provided, such as a juror refusing to participate or introducing unauthorized evidence. The paragraph outlines the consequences of such misconduct, which may include dismissing the offending juror and either continuing with 11 jurors, bringing in an alternate juror, or declaring a mistrial if the remaining jurors are tainted. The speaker shares personal experiences from their career as a prosecutor, highlighting the complexities and potential outcomes of dealing with a rogue juror.
📚 Continuation of Trial After a Hung Jury
The speaker discusses the implications of a hung jury and the potential actions that could be taken, including the possibility of retrying the case with the same evidence and arguments. They express confidence that Judge Maran will apply New York state law correctly and without bias, regardless of the defendant's identity. The paragraph also touches on the defendant's, in this case Donald Trump's, likely reaction to any perceived injustice and the potential for him to claim the trial was rigged. The speaker also shares their experience with retrying cases after a hung jury, noting that second trials often result in convictions due to the prosecutor's ability to refine their approach.
🔄 Multiple Trials and the Principle of 'Void Ab Initio'
In this final paragraph, the speaker addresses the possibility of multiple trials for the same defendant, emphasizing that there is no legal limit to the number of trials one can face if a jury fails to reach a verdict. They explain the principle of 'void ab initio,' meaning that an unsuccessful trial is considered as if it never happened, thus allowing for retrial without violating double jeopardy laws. The speaker shares anecdotes from their career, including instances where they sought permission to retry cases up to four times, and the outcomes of those trials. They conclude by reiterating their commitment to covering the trial's proceedings and invite viewers to subscribe to their channels for updates.
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Keywords
💡Hung Jury
💡Deliberation
💡Unanimous Verdict
💡Anti-Deadlock Instruction
💡Mistrial
💡Juror Misconduct
💡Alternate Juror
💡Retrial
💡Void Ab Initio
💡Double Jeopardy
💡Donald Trump
Highlights
The possibility of a hung jury in Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York.
Reminder for viewers to subscribe to both channels for full trial coverage.
The process of handling a potential hung jury after closing arguments and before deliberation.
Jurors are instructed not to disclose the specifics of their vote split to the judge.
The requirement for a unanimous verdict in criminal trials.
The judge's role in addressing issues during deliberations through written notes.
Explanation of an anti-deadlock instruction given by the judge to encourage a unanimous verdict.
The Winters instruction as a commonly used anti-deadlock instruction.
The potential for a mistrial if the jury cannot reach a unanimous verdict.
Handling of juror misconduct and the possibility of dismissing a juror.
Procedures for continuing deliberations with 11 jurors or bringing in an alternate juror.
The impact of a hung jury on the trial process and potential retrial.
The absence of a limit on the number of times a defendant can be tried due to hung juries.
The likelihood of a conviction in a retrial following a hung jury.
Donald Trump's reluctance to testify in his own defense.
The legal principle of 'void ab initio' allowing retrials after a hung jury.
The expectation that Judge Maran will apply New York state law without concern for external consequences.
Transcripts
you're watching the legal breakdown all
right Glenn so obviously Donald Trump in
his criminal trial in New York is well
on his way to a conviction but one thing
in the way of a conviction is the
prospect of a hung jury so I want to
explore that issue because it's it's
especially pertinent right now but first
just a reminder for those watching if
you want to follow along with the
entirety of this trial as Glenn and I
continue to cover it please make sure to
subscribe to both of our channels okay
so Glenn we're all awaiting closing
arguments right now and then the jury
deliberates so Walkers through the
process of what happens if it starts to
look like there might be a hung jury
Brian it only takes one of 12 jurors
right a jury of Donald Trump's peers who
have been sitting in that New York
courtroom listening to what really was a
mountain of incriminating evidence
corroborated several times over of
Donald Trump committing 34 felony crimes
of falsifying business records to gain
unfair advantage in a presidential
election the jury will soon have this
case in their hands they'll begin
deliberating and it only takes one juror
to hang up the whole thing so here's
what happens when uh closing arguments
are done and right before the judge
sends the jury to the deliberation room
to start discussing the evidence with a
view toward reaching a verdict the judge
will say ladies and gentlemen if you
have any concerns or you experience any
problems during your deliberations feel
free to contact me by way of a written
note that you will send to my clerk now
when you send me that note if you're
having any trouble reaching unanimous
verdicts do not tell me what the vote is
I don't want to know if you're split 66
if you're split 111 if you're split 84
or if there is any other numeric split
but you may send me a note saying that
you know judge that we're having some
issues back here and we are seeking your
assistance so what I've had happen over
and over again in my career as a
prosecutor is when the jurors begin to
struggle to reach unanimous verdicts
because our viewers should know and they
probably do because of all of the legal
breakdown Law School classes we do um it
has to be a unanimous verdict one way or
another that means all 12 people would
have to agree that Donald Trump is
guilty if it's going to be a guilty
verdict or all 12 people will have to
agree that he's not guilty if it's going
to be an acquit a not guilty verdict any
split 11166 or any other numeric split
would result in a hung jury and I know
we're going to talk in a few minutes
about what happens if the jury actually
hangs and the judge declares a mistrial
because they can't agree unanimously so
what will happen is the the jury will
send the note out saying judge we've
reached an impass or we're having
problems agreeing or we're just not
quite able to reach a unanimous verdict
what do we do so what will typically
happen is the judge will give what's
called an anti- deadlock instruction
it's it's an instruction designed to
sort of gently prod the jury into trying
to reach unanimity if they can and you
know there there's a famous instruction
called the winters instruction it's the
most commonly used anti- deadlock
instruction why Winters because the case
that produced it was the United States
vers verus Mr Winters um so what that
instruction says basically is look
ladies and gentlemen um you all have
been selected as jurors for this case
because we believed you were up to the
task of deciding this case you should
not assume that any future jury would be
selected from any batch of people that
were more qualified more thoughtful more
conscientious than you so it is
desirable if you can resolve this case
with a verdict however I'm not urging
you to give up any firmly held views or
beliefs that you have with respect to
the evidence but here is how I will
instruct you you should listen to the
jurors who hold different opinions than
you so if for example you are are
wanting to voke guilty but there are
other jurors who are just as determined
to reach a fair and accurate verdict who
who are for not guilty you should be
open to listening to their arguments and
their views of the evidence similarly if
you're um vote is if you're inclined to
vote not guilty you should listen to
your fellow jurors who may have
different views of the evidence than you
and you should listen with a view toward
being convinced and reaching unanimity
if you can without sort of doing
violence to your firmly held beliefs
about the nature of the evidence so with
that ladies and gentlemen I am directing
you to return for further deliberations
consistent with my instructions that is
a very truncated version of what an
anti- deadlock instruction sounds like
and Brian I can tell you I've sat
through lots of anti- Deadlock
instructions sometimes it actually does
serve as a catalyst and it jump starts
the deliberations I've had jury's return
guilty verdicts after an anti- deadlock
instruction I've had jury's return not
guilty verdicts after an anti- deadlock
instruction and I've also had juries go
on to say judge we tried we heard your
instruction we gave it our best shot but
we are hopelessly deadlocked and the
next question is probably what happens
if we get that dreaded note dreaded from
a prosecutor's perspective that we are
hopelessly deadlocked well then the
judge will declare the jury is hung the
judge will declare a mistrial and then
the question becomes where do things go
from there okay uh sticking in this
trial for a moment what if for example
and we've spoken about this issue before
but what if there's a rogue juror who
all all along was in the tank for Trump
and and I'm not talking about somebody
who has deeply held convictions about
his innocence I want to talk about that
in a moment but what do you do if it
becomes clear that there is a juror that
just isn't open to to listening to
anything because he's already he or she
has already decided that he's innocent
from the start so it's a really delicate
balance because once the jury retires to
deliberate it's very difficult to we
call it pierce the veil of jury secrecy
because we give them wide birth to
decide the case without any interference
from the judge or the parties however if
there's juror misconduct and I've also
experienced this several times in my
career as a prosecutor if there is juror
misconduct then the forers of the jury
can send a note to the judge saying
judge we have an issue back here and
once it becomes clear what the issue is
then what happens is the judge conducts
what we call individual Vader the judge
will ask each juror okay can you tell me
about any perceived misconduct going on
as part of the jury deliberations and
the judge will literally gauge the
answer from each juror and the reason
they do that is because the last thing
we ever want to have happen is there's
one juror Holding Out for a verdict that
is different than the other 11 jurors
whether guilty or not guilty is beside
the point and that juror's um decision
is based on the evidence and they have a
firmly held belief that the defendant is
either guilty or not guilty even though
the other 11 jurors disagree the one
thing we don't want to do is you know
use as a pretense to kick off somebody
with a minority view the fact that
they're engaged in misconduct but I have
seen over and over again misconduct let
me give you a couple of examples so our
viewers viewers know some of what we
might be talking about I've had jurors
actually go back into the deliberation
room sit in the corner fold their arms
and say I'm not participating well guess
what jurors are instructed that they
must parti anticipate in jury
deliberations so that actually
constitutes juror misconduct we've had
jurors sneak in photographs that they
took of the crime scene that had not
been introduced into evidence and
they've said look what I found here this
contradicts what one of the witnesses
said that's juror misconduct that kind
of Juror can be dismissed because
they've engaged in misconduct so what
happens if a juror gets dismissed during
deliberations well three things can
happen one um many jurisdictions have
laws and procedures on the books that
allow a deliberating juror to proceed to
verdict with just 11 jurors if one juror
has been removed for misconduct many
jurisdictions also have mechanisms
mechanisms in place to bring an
alternate juror bring them back because
when a jur when alternate jurors are
dismissed at the end of the case but
before deliberations they're instructed
by the judge don't don't watch media
accounts don't talk to anybody uh about
the case until my clerk contacts you and
tells you that the deliberating jury has
reached a verdict then you are released
from your jury service I have had jurors
engaged in misconduct the judge
dismissed them brought an alternate back
and then the instruction the judge gives
the jury is you are to begin
deliberations a new AR fresh
as if you had never spoken one word
about you know the case when you first
retired to deliberate it's a little bit
of a fiction but you know giving that
instruction I've had it happen many
times and then the newly constituted
jury with the replacement juror begins
deliberations all over again the third
option is the judge could declare a
mistrial if they determined that for
example other sitting jurors had been
tainted by the misconduct of the one
juror who has been removed and a
mistrial is never something that the
prosecutors or frankly the victims and
the Witnesses in the case want to see
happen but you know mistrials are not
all that
uncommon this obviously raises the
question if for example an alternate
juror is brought in or they opt to just
deliberate uh to just reach a verdict
with 11 jurors you know if if if it
feels like the one juror who was going
to say that Donald Trump is not guilty
gets taken off obviously that's gonna
cause some ranker with Donald Trump
himself and I mean he would he'll
basically point to that as evidence that
the whole thing is rigged against him
what are the implications for that on
the trial do you think that judge Maran
is going to take that into account or do
you think that it just that's the way it
goes that's the way it goes for every
other trial and that's going to have to
be the way it goes here judge Maran I
think Will Follow the law as the law um
you know is applied in New York York
because remember every jurisdiction does
things a little bit differently both
procedurally and substantively and each
jurisdiction has its own laws and those
laws have been interpreted up through
the appellant courts of each state each
jurisdiction so what I'm confident of is
Judge Maran will apply the law as it is
established in New York to this case the
way he would to any other case without
concern for the collateral consequences
so if the law permits the a jur jury to
reach a verdict with just 11 if one was
uh discharged for misconduct or if the
law in New York permits a replacement
juror to um to join the jury that is
what I am quite sure judge Maran will do
not withstanding the fact that unless
Donald Trump wins a full acquit he will
scream bloody murder about how the whole
thing was rigged I mean remember Brian
Donald Trump is the guy who incessantly
promised the American people he would
testify and then when he had the
opportunity to take the witness stand
and tell his side of the story and
convince the jurors he did nothing wrong
he punked out why because he's a stone
cold Punk and a liar so no matter what
Donald Trump will come up with some
reason that you know he was wrongfully
convicted but going back to your
original question I'm quite confident
judge mhan will apply the New York state
law as it was intended to be applied and
then let Donald Trump yell and scream
about the result let's finish off with
this in your career Prosecuting cases
what percentage of them ended up in a
hung jury and I'm trying to glean some
type of information uh in in terms of
what this case could look like great
question I I've I've not really counted
up my hung juries I could probably go
back through old files and discs and
figure that out um I tried 52 murder
cases multiple Rico cases and lots of
other cases that were sort of lesser
less serious cases than Ricos and
murders I tried a lot of cases I would
say I probably had at least 10 uh maybe
more mistrials hung juries and here's
what I'll say here is the Silver Lining
behind the big dark orange Cloud that is
all things Trump um most of the time
when I decided to go to a retrial after
a hung jury and after a mistrial was
declared most of the time time it
resulted in a conviction why because I
did it a little bit better the second
time around um my Witnesses have now
been through it once so they know what's
coming the defense has sort of you know
revealed whatever cards they had to play
in the witnesses they chose to present
and in the arguments they chose to make
so more often than not the second trial
resulted in a conviction so the good
news is in the event of a hung jury the
prosecutor can and I'm quite sure would
try it again and then I think a
conviction would be all the more likely
the second time around I know I said
that was the last question real quick
last question here what happens if
there's uh another hung jury after the
second trial so Brian um you can try
somebody as many times as you choose as
many times as you as a prosecutor
believe it's righteous and ethical I've
had experence erien trying cases up to
four times where I had case I won't bore
you with all the details but I was
actually involved in two cases that
ended up going to trial four times one
of the cases I sought permission from
the United States Attorney to try it a
fifth time and the US attorney said no
the other case I sought permission to
try the case the fifth time the US
attorney said yes and the defendant
pleaded guilty on the eve of the fifth
trial because he was because he was in
fact guilty and he finally wanted to cut
his losses so I hope that answers your
question there is no number there's no
due process limit to the number of times
somebody can be tried and the reason for
that is the law deems that if a jury
can't reach a verdict the trial is get
ready for a Latin phrase void abinitio
in other words void from the start as if
it never happened that's why you can
take somebody back back to a retrial
without violating the double jeopardy
Clause well look I think that Donald
Trump would be probably likely to just
plead guilty if it meant that uh that he
wouldn't have to sit in a cold courtroom
anymore delicate Don seems to be very
incapable of uh sitting in in anything
that has imperfect conditions but uh but
uh that's our that's our man of the
people there uh with that said of course
Glenn and I will continue covering the
entirety of this trial as it plays
itself out for those watching right now
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