🚨 Prosecutor on a HUNG JURY in Trump trial

The Legal Breakdown with BTC & Glenn Kirschner
24 May 202416:41

Summary

TLDRIn this episode of 'Legal Breakdown', hosts Brian and Glenn discuss the potential for a hung jury in Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York. They explain the unanimous verdict requirement and the judge's role in addressing deliberation issues, including the use of anti-deadlock instructions. The conversation covers possible outcomes like a mistrial and the handling of juror misconduct. The hosts also touch on the implications of a hung jury and the likelihood of a retrial leading to a conviction, emphasizing that there is no limit to the number of trials a defendant can face if a jury cannot reach a verdict.

Takeaways

  • 📚 The trial of Donald Trump is discussed, with a focus on the possibility of a hung jury and the implications of one.
  • 🔍 The process of how a hung jury is handled in a trial is explained, including the judge's instructions and the potential for a mistrial.
  • 👥 It takes a unanimous decision from all 12 jurors to reach a verdict of guilty or not guilty; any split can lead to a hung jury.
  • 🚫 The judge will not want to know the specifics of the jury's vote split but will offer assistance if they are having trouble reaching a unanimous verdict.
  • 📝 Jurors can send a note to the judge if they are unable to reach a unanimous verdict, without revealing the specifics of the split.
  • 👨‍⚖️ If a hung jury occurs, the judge may give an 'anti-deadlock instruction' to encourage further deliberation towards reaching a unanimous decision.
  • 🔄 The Winters instruction is a commonly used anti-deadlock instruction, urging jurors to listen to each other's views and consider changing their stance if convinced by the evidence.
  • 🚨 If a juror is found to be engaging in misconduct, such as refusing to deliberate or bringing in unauthorized evidence, they can be dismissed.
  • 🔄 If a juror is dismissed for misconduct, an alternate juror may be brought in, and the deliberations start anew as if from the beginning.
  • 🛑 A mistrial can be declared if the judge determines that the deliberations have been irreparably tainted by juror misconduct.
  • 🔄 In the event of a hung jury and a mistrial, the case can be retried, and it is common for a conviction to occur in the second trial due to improved prosecution strategy.

Q & A

  • What is the significance of a hung jury in the context of Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York?

    -A hung jury refers to a situation where the jurors cannot reach a unanimous verdict, which could potentially result in a mistrial. In the context of Donald Trump's criminal trial, a hung jury would mean that despite the evidence presented, the jury is unable to agree on a guilty or not guilty verdict, complicating the path to conviction.

  • How does the process of deliberation work in a trial like Donald Trump's?

    -After closing arguments, the judge instructs the jury to deliberate in private. If the jury encounters any issues or problems during deliberations, they can communicate with the judge through a written note. The judge does not want to know the specifics of the vote but is willing to assist if there are difficulties in reaching a unanimous verdict.

  • What is the requirement for a verdict in a criminal trial?

    -In a criminal trial, a unanimous verdict is required. This means all 12 jurors must agree that the defendant is either guilty or not guilty. Any split in the votes, such as 11-1 or any other numeric split, would result in a hung jury.

  • What happens if the jury appears to be unable to reach a unanimous verdict?

    -If the jury seems unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the judge will typically give an anti-deadlock instruction. This is designed to encourage the jurors to try harder to reach unanimity without giving up their firmly held views or beliefs about the evidence.

  • Can you explain the Winters instruction and its purpose?

    -The Winters instruction is a commonly used anti-deadlock instruction. It encourages jurors to listen to each other's opinions and arguments with an open mind, with the goal of reaching a unanimous verdict without compromising their firmly held beliefs about the evidence.

  • What actions can the judge take if the jury declares that they are hopelessly deadlocked?

    -If the jury declares that they are hopelessly deadlocked, the judge will declare a mistrial. This means the trial will not result in a verdict, and the case may be retried or dismissed.

  • What is considered juror misconduct, and how is it addressed?

    -Juror misconduct includes actions such as refusing to participate in deliberations, bringing in unauthorized materials, or otherwise not following the court's instructions. If misconduct is suspected, the judge can conduct an individual voir dire, questioning each juror about the alleged misconduct, and may dismiss the offending juror.

  • What are the possible outcomes if a juror is dismissed during deliberations due to misconduct?

    -If a juror is dismissed for misconduct, the deliberating jury may proceed to verdict with just 11 jurors, an alternate juror may be brought in to replace the dismissed juror, or the judge may declare a mistrial if the remaining jurors have been tainted by the misconduct.

  • How does a mistrial impact the possibility of a retrial?

    -A mistrial does not prevent a retrial. The prosecutor can choose to retry the case, and in many cases, a retrial can result in a conviction, as the prosecution may be better prepared and the defense's strategies may be more predictable.

  • Is there a limit to the number of times a defendant can be tried for the same crime?

    -No, there is no legal limit to the number of times a defendant can be tried for the same crime. If a jury cannot reach a verdict, the trial is considered void ab initio, meaning it is as if it never happened, and the defendant can be retried without violating the double jeopardy clause.

  • What is the role of the judge in applying the law during a trial, and how might this apply to Donald Trump's case?

    -The judge's role is to apply the law as it is established in their jurisdiction, without concern for the collateral consequences. In Donald Trump's case, Judge Maran is expected to follow New York state law as it applies to hung juries and mistrials, regardless of any potential outcry from Trump about the trial's fairness.

Outlines

00:00

🏛️ Trial Process and Hung Jury Scenario

The paragraph discusses the potential for a hung jury in Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York. It explains the process that occurs after closing arguments, where the judge instructs the jury on how to communicate any issues during deliberation. The focus is on the possibility of a single juror preventing a unanimous decision, which would result in a hung jury. The speaker, presumably a legal expert, outlines the steps the court would take to address such a situation, including the use of an anti-deadlock instruction to encourage the jury to reach a unanimous verdict, as exemplified by the Winters instruction. The paragraph emphasizes the importance of a unanimous decision for either a guilty or not guilty verdict and the implications of a hung jury leading to a mistrial.

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👥 Juror Misconduct and Its Resolution

This paragraph delves into the issue of juror misconduct and its impact on the deliberation process. It describes how the secrecy of deliberations is highly respected, but if misconduct is suspected, the judge can investigate by questioning jurors individually. Examples of misconduct are provided, such as a juror refusing to participate or introducing unauthorized evidence. The paragraph outlines the consequences of such misconduct, which may include dismissing the offending juror and either continuing with 11 jurors, bringing in an alternate juror, or declaring a mistrial if the remaining jurors are tainted. The speaker shares personal experiences from their career as a prosecutor, highlighting the complexities and potential outcomes of dealing with a rogue juror.

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📚 Continuation of Trial After a Hung Jury

The speaker discusses the implications of a hung jury and the potential actions that could be taken, including the possibility of retrying the case with the same evidence and arguments. They express confidence that Judge Maran will apply New York state law correctly and without bias, regardless of the defendant's identity. The paragraph also touches on the defendant's, in this case Donald Trump's, likely reaction to any perceived injustice and the potential for him to claim the trial was rigged. The speaker also shares their experience with retrying cases after a hung jury, noting that second trials often result in convictions due to the prosecutor's ability to refine their approach.

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🔄 Multiple Trials and the Principle of 'Void Ab Initio'

In this final paragraph, the speaker addresses the possibility of multiple trials for the same defendant, emphasizing that there is no legal limit to the number of trials one can face if a jury fails to reach a verdict. They explain the principle of 'void ab initio,' meaning that an unsuccessful trial is considered as if it never happened, thus allowing for retrial without violating double jeopardy laws. The speaker shares anecdotes from their career, including instances where they sought permission to retry cases up to four times, and the outcomes of those trials. They conclude by reiterating their commitment to covering the trial's proceedings and invite viewers to subscribe to their channels for updates.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Hung Jury

A 'hung jury' refers to a situation in a trial where the jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict. This concept is central to the video's theme, as it discusses the potential for a hung jury in Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York. The script mentions that it only takes one juror to prevent a unanimous decision, which could lead to a hung jury and a mistrial.

💡Deliberation

Deliberation is the process by which a jury discusses and evaluates the evidence presented during a trial to reach a verdict. In the context of the video, the script describes the deliberation process, including the judge's instructions to the jury before they begin their discussions and the potential for issues to arise, such as a hung jury.

💡Unanimous Verdict

A unanimous verdict is a decision in which all members of the jury agree. The script emphasizes that in order to convict or acquit Donald Trump, all 12 jurors must be in agreement. Any split decision would result in a hung jury, highlighting the importance of unanimity in the legal process.

💡Anti-Deadlock Instruction

An 'anti-deadlock instruction' is a directive given by the judge to encourage the jury to attempt to reach a unanimous decision if they are struggling to do so. The script provides an example of such an instruction, known as the 'Winters instruction,' which is designed to guide the jury without pressuring them to compromise their beliefs.

💡Mistrial

A mistrial is declared when a trial ends without a verdict due to a significant problem, such as a hung jury. The script discusses the possibility of a mistrial in the event that the jury cannot reach a unanimous decision and the subsequent steps that may be taken, including retrial.

💡Juror Misconduct

Juror misconduct refers to actions by a juror that violate the rules or integrity of the trial process. The video script describes scenarios where a juror might engage in misconduct, such as refusing to participate in deliberations or introducing unauthorized evidence, which could lead to their dismissal and potentially a mistrial.

💡Alternate Juror

An alternate juror is a member of the jury pool who does not initially participate in deliberations but can be brought in to replace a juror who is dismissed for misconduct. The script explains that in some jurisdictions, an alternate juror can be called upon to join the deliberations, effectively 'restarting' the process with a new jury composition.

💡Retrial

A retrial is a new trial that occurs after a previous trial has ended in a mistrial or the verdict has been overturned on appeal. The script mentions that in the event of a hung jury and subsequent mistrial, the prosecutor could seek a retrial, which has historically led to a higher likelihood of conviction.

💡Void Ab Initio

Void ab initio is a Latin legal phrase meaning 'void from the start.' The script uses this term to explain that if a trial ends in a mistrial, it is considered as if it never happened, allowing for a retrial without violating double jeopardy principles.

💡Double Jeopardy

Double jeopardy is a legal principle that prevents a person from being tried twice for the same crime following an acquittal or conviction. The script clarifies that retrial after a mistrial does not violate double jeopardy because the initial trial is considered void ab initio.

💡Donald Trump

Donald Trump is the central figure in the video's discussion, as he is the defendant in the criminal trial being analyzed. The script refers to him in the context of the potential for a hung jury and the implications of such an outcome, as well as his decision not to testify in his own defense.

Highlights

The possibility of a hung jury in Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York.

Reminder for viewers to subscribe to both channels for full trial coverage.

The process of handling a potential hung jury after closing arguments and before deliberation.

Jurors are instructed not to disclose the specifics of their vote split to the judge.

The requirement for a unanimous verdict in criminal trials.

The judge's role in addressing issues during deliberations through written notes.

Explanation of an anti-deadlock instruction given by the judge to encourage a unanimous verdict.

The Winters instruction as a commonly used anti-deadlock instruction.

The potential for a mistrial if the jury cannot reach a unanimous verdict.

Handling of juror misconduct and the possibility of dismissing a juror.

Procedures for continuing deliberations with 11 jurors or bringing in an alternate juror.

The impact of a hung jury on the trial process and potential retrial.

The absence of a limit on the number of times a defendant can be tried due to hung juries.

The likelihood of a conviction in a retrial following a hung jury.

Donald Trump's reluctance to testify in his own defense.

The legal principle of 'void ab initio' allowing retrials after a hung jury.

The expectation that Judge Maran will apply New York state law without concern for external consequences.

Transcripts

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you're watching the legal breakdown all

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right Glenn so obviously Donald Trump in

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his criminal trial in New York is well

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on his way to a conviction but one thing

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in the way of a conviction is the

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prospect of a hung jury so I want to

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explore that issue because it's it's

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especially pertinent right now but first

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just a reminder for those watching if

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you want to follow along with the

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entirety of this trial as Glenn and I

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continue to cover it please make sure to

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subscribe to both of our channels okay

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so Glenn we're all awaiting closing

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arguments right now and then the jury

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deliberates so Walkers through the

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process of what happens if it starts to

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look like there might be a hung jury

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Brian it only takes one of 12 jurors

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right a jury of Donald Trump's peers who

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have been sitting in that New York

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courtroom listening to what really was a

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mountain of incriminating evidence

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corroborated several times over of

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Donald Trump committing 34 felony crimes

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of falsifying business records to gain

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unfair advantage in a presidential

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election the jury will soon have this

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case in their hands they'll begin

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deliberating and it only takes one juror

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to hang up the whole thing so here's

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what happens when uh closing arguments

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are done and right before the judge

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sends the jury to the deliberation room

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to start discussing the evidence with a

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view toward reaching a verdict the judge

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will say ladies and gentlemen if you

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have any concerns or you experience any

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problems during your deliberations feel

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free to contact me by way of a written

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note that you will send to my clerk now

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when you send me that note if you're

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having any trouble reaching unanimous

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verdicts do not tell me what the vote is

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I don't want to know if you're split 66

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if you're split 111 if you're split 84

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or if there is any other numeric split

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but you may send me a note saying that

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you know judge that we're having some

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issues back here and we are seeking your

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assistance so what I've had happen over

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and over again in my career as a

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prosecutor is when the jurors begin to

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struggle to reach unanimous verdicts

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because our viewers should know and they

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probably do because of all of the legal

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breakdown Law School classes we do um it

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has to be a unanimous verdict one way or

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another that means all 12 people would

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have to agree that Donald Trump is

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guilty if it's going to be a guilty

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verdict or all 12 people will have to

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agree that he's not guilty if it's going

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to be an acquit a not guilty verdict any

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split 11166 or any other numeric split

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would result in a hung jury and I know

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we're going to talk in a few minutes

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about what happens if the jury actually

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hangs and the judge declares a mistrial

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because they can't agree unanimously so

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what will happen is the the jury will

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send the note out saying judge we've

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reached an impass or we're having

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problems agreeing or we're just not

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quite able to reach a unanimous verdict

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what do we do so what will typically

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happen is the judge will give what's

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called an anti- deadlock instruction

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it's it's an instruction designed to

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sort of gently prod the jury into trying

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to reach unanimity if they can and you

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know there there's a famous instruction

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called the winters instruction it's the

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most commonly used anti- deadlock

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instruction why Winters because the case

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that produced it was the United States

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vers verus Mr Winters um so what that

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instruction says basically is look

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ladies and gentlemen um you all have

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been selected as jurors for this case

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because we believed you were up to the

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task of deciding this case you should

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not assume that any future jury would be

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selected from any batch of people that

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were more qualified more thoughtful more

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conscientious than you so it is

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desirable if you can resolve this case

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with a verdict however I'm not urging

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you to give up any firmly held views or

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beliefs that you have with respect to

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the evidence but here is how I will

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instruct you you should listen to the

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jurors who hold different opinions than

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you so if for example you are are

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wanting to voke guilty but there are

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other jurors who are just as determined

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to reach a fair and accurate verdict who

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who are for not guilty you should be

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open to listening to their arguments and

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their views of the evidence similarly if

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you're um vote is if you're inclined to

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vote not guilty you should listen to

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your fellow jurors who may have

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different views of the evidence than you

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and you should listen with a view toward

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being convinced and reaching unanimity

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if you can without sort of doing

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violence to your firmly held beliefs

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about the nature of the evidence so with

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that ladies and gentlemen I am directing

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you to return for further deliberations

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consistent with my instructions that is

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a very truncated version of what an

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anti- deadlock instruction sounds like

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and Brian I can tell you I've sat

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through lots of anti- Deadlock

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instructions sometimes it actually does

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serve as a catalyst and it jump starts

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the deliberations I've had jury's return

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guilty verdicts after an anti- deadlock

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instruction I've had jury's return not

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guilty verdicts after an anti- deadlock

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instruction and I've also had juries go

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on to say judge we tried we heard your

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instruction we gave it our best shot but

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we are hopelessly deadlocked and the

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next question is probably what happens

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if we get that dreaded note dreaded from

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a prosecutor's perspective that we are

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hopelessly deadlocked well then the

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judge will declare the jury is hung the

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judge will declare a mistrial and then

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the question becomes where do things go

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from there okay uh sticking in this

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trial for a moment what if for example

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and we've spoken about this issue before

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but what if there's a rogue juror who

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all all along was in the tank for Trump

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and and I'm not talking about somebody

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who has deeply held convictions about

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his innocence I want to talk about that

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in a moment but what do you do if it

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becomes clear that there is a juror that

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just isn't open to to listening to

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anything because he's already he or she

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has already decided that he's innocent

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from the start so it's a really delicate

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balance because once the jury retires to

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deliberate it's very difficult to we

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call it pierce the veil of jury secrecy

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because we give them wide birth to

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decide the case without any interference

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from the judge or the parties however if

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there's juror misconduct and I've also

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experienced this several times in my

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career as a prosecutor if there is juror

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misconduct then the forers of the jury

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can send a note to the judge saying

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judge we have an issue back here and

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once it becomes clear what the issue is

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then what happens is the judge conducts

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what we call individual Vader the judge

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will ask each juror okay can you tell me

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about any perceived misconduct going on

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as part of the jury deliberations and

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the judge will literally gauge the

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answer from each juror and the reason

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they do that is because the last thing

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we ever want to have happen is there's

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one juror Holding Out for a verdict that

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is different than the other 11 jurors

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whether guilty or not guilty is beside

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the point and that juror's um decision

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is based on the evidence and they have a

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firmly held belief that the defendant is

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either guilty or not guilty even though

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the other 11 jurors disagree the one

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thing we don't want to do is you know

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use as a pretense to kick off somebody

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with a minority view the fact that

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they're engaged in misconduct but I have

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seen over and over again misconduct let

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me give you a couple of examples so our

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viewers viewers know some of what we

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might be talking about I've had jurors

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actually go back into the deliberation

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room sit in the corner fold their arms

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and say I'm not participating well guess

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what jurors are instructed that they

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must parti anticipate in jury

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deliberations so that actually

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constitutes juror misconduct we've had

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jurors sneak in photographs that they

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took of the crime scene that had not

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been introduced into evidence and

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they've said look what I found here this

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contradicts what one of the witnesses

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said that's juror misconduct that kind

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of Juror can be dismissed because

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they've engaged in misconduct so what

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happens if a juror gets dismissed during

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deliberations well three things can

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happen one um many jurisdictions have

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laws and procedures on the books that

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allow a deliberating juror to proceed to

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verdict with just 11 jurors if one juror

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has been removed for misconduct many

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jurisdictions also have mechanisms

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mechanisms in place to bring an

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alternate juror bring them back because

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when a jur when alternate jurors are

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dismissed at the end of the case but

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before deliberations they're instructed

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by the judge don't don't watch media

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accounts don't talk to anybody uh about

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the case until my clerk contacts you and

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tells you that the deliberating jury has

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reached a verdict then you are released

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from your jury service I have had jurors

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engaged in misconduct the judge

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dismissed them brought an alternate back

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and then the instruction the judge gives

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the jury is you are to begin

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deliberations a new AR fresh

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as if you had never spoken one word

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about you know the case when you first

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retired to deliberate it's a little bit

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of a fiction but you know giving that

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instruction I've had it happen many

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times and then the newly constituted

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jury with the replacement juror begins

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deliberations all over again the third

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option is the judge could declare a

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mistrial if they determined that for

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example other sitting jurors had been

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tainted by the misconduct of the one

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juror who has been removed and a

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mistrial is never something that the

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prosecutors or frankly the victims and

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the Witnesses in the case want to see

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happen but you know mistrials are not

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all that

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uncommon this obviously raises the

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question if for example an alternate

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juror is brought in or they opt to just

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deliberate uh to just reach a verdict

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with 11 jurors you know if if if it

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feels like the one juror who was going

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to say that Donald Trump is not guilty

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gets taken off obviously that's gonna

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cause some ranker with Donald Trump

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himself and I mean he would he'll

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basically point to that as evidence that

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the whole thing is rigged against him

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what are the implications for that on

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the trial do you think that judge Maran

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is going to take that into account or do

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you think that it just that's the way it

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goes that's the way it goes for every

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other trial and that's going to have to

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be the way it goes here judge Maran I

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think Will Follow the law as the law um

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you know is applied in New York York

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because remember every jurisdiction does

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things a little bit differently both

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procedurally and substantively and each

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jurisdiction has its own laws and those

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laws have been interpreted up through

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the appellant courts of each state each

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jurisdiction so what I'm confident of is

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Judge Maran will apply the law as it is

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established in New York to this case the

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way he would to any other case without

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concern for the collateral consequences

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so if the law permits the a jur jury to

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reach a verdict with just 11 if one was

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uh discharged for misconduct or if the

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law in New York permits a replacement

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juror to um to join the jury that is

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what I am quite sure judge Maran will do

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not withstanding the fact that unless

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Donald Trump wins a full acquit he will

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scream bloody murder about how the whole

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thing was rigged I mean remember Brian

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Donald Trump is the guy who incessantly

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promised the American people he would

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testify and then when he had the

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opportunity to take the witness stand

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and tell his side of the story and

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convince the jurors he did nothing wrong

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he punked out why because he's a stone

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cold Punk and a liar so no matter what

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Donald Trump will come up with some

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reason that you know he was wrongfully

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convicted but going back to your

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original question I'm quite confident

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judge mhan will apply the New York state

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law as it was intended to be applied and

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then let Donald Trump yell and scream

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about the result let's finish off with

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this in your career Prosecuting cases

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what percentage of them ended up in a

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hung jury and I'm trying to glean some

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type of information uh in in terms of

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what this case could look like great

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question I I've I've not really counted

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up my hung juries I could probably go

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back through old files and discs and

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figure that out um I tried 52 murder

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cases multiple Rico cases and lots of

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other cases that were sort of lesser

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less serious cases than Ricos and

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murders I tried a lot of cases I would

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say I probably had at least 10 uh maybe

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more mistrials hung juries and here's

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what I'll say here is the Silver Lining

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behind the big dark orange Cloud that is

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all things Trump um most of the time

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when I decided to go to a retrial after

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a hung jury and after a mistrial was

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declared most of the time time it

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resulted in a conviction why because I

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did it a little bit better the second

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time around um my Witnesses have now

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been through it once so they know what's

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coming the defense has sort of you know

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revealed whatever cards they had to play

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in the witnesses they chose to present

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and in the arguments they chose to make

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so more often than not the second trial

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resulted in a conviction so the good

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news is in the event of a hung jury the

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prosecutor can and I'm quite sure would

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try it again and then I think a

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conviction would be all the more likely

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the second time around I know I said

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that was the last question real quick

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last question here what happens if

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there's uh another hung jury after the

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second trial so Brian um you can try

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somebody as many times as you choose as

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many times as you as a prosecutor

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believe it's righteous and ethical I've

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had experence erien trying cases up to

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four times where I had case I won't bore

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you with all the details but I was

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actually involved in two cases that

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ended up going to trial four times one

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of the cases I sought permission from

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the United States Attorney to try it a

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fifth time and the US attorney said no

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the other case I sought permission to

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try the case the fifth time the US

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attorney said yes and the defendant

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pleaded guilty on the eve of the fifth

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trial because he was because he was in

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fact guilty and he finally wanted to cut

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his losses so I hope that answers your

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question there is no number there's no

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due process limit to the number of times

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somebody can be tried and the reason for

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that is the law deems that if a jury

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can't reach a verdict the trial is get

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ready for a Latin phrase void abinitio

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in other words void from the start as if

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it never happened that's why you can

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take somebody back back to a retrial

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without violating the double jeopardy

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Clause well look I think that Donald

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Trump would be probably likely to just

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plead guilty if it meant that uh that he

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wouldn't have to sit in a cold courtroom

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anymore delicate Don seems to be very

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incapable of uh sitting in in anything

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that has imperfect conditions but uh but

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uh that's our that's our man of the

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people there uh with that said of course

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Glenn and I will continue covering the

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