The Rabbit R1 is Just an App??

Waveform Podcast
3 May 202487:37

Summary

TLDRThe podcast episode features a lively discussion on various tech-related topics. The hosts start by debating the potential of YouTube Shorts being extended beyond one minute, considering user engagement and content depth. They then delve into their experiences with the Rabbit R1, an AI assistant device, discussing its bright orange design, functionality, and the recent software update that improved battery life and user interface. The conversation also touches on the Bird Buddy app, a social media platform for bird enthusiasts, and the rise in birding-related sales for Nikon. In the tech news segment, they cover Tesla's unexpected layoff of its supercharger team and the implications for the EV market. The hosts express their excitement for upcoming headphone reviews and discuss the Meta Quest's new features. The episode concludes with trivia questions that blend technology and ornithology, providing both entertainment and education.

Takeaways

  • 📺 The podcast discusses the potential for YouTube Shorts to extend beyond one minute, with varying opinions on the ideal length for short-form content.
  • 🎵 The hosts share their experiences with the Bird Buddy app, which identifies bird species through a bird feeder equipped with a camera and shares the footage on a social media-like platform.
  • 🚗 A conversation about Tesla's decision to lay off their entire supercharger team, which is a surprising move considering the importance of the supercharger network for electric vehicle charging infrastructure.
  • 🎧 Thoughts on various headphone products, including the Nothing Ear (1) and Ear (2), Bose's clip-on earbuds, and the Fairphone Fair Buds, are shared, highlighting their features, sound quality, and design.
  • 📡 Discussion about the Meta Quest's new update allowing it to view immersive panoramic images, and the potential for the Horizon OS to be licensed to third parties, similar to how Android is used across various devices.
  • 📱 The revelation that the Rabbit R1's OS can be side-loaded onto a Google Pixel phone, leading to debates on whether the device should just be an app rather than standalone hardware.
  • 🕊️ A trivia question about a bird-themed app that Microsoft advertised for Windows Phone 7 but wasn't actually available on the platform, which turned out to be Angry Birds.
  • 🔊 Commentary on the sound quality and user experience of different earbuds, with a focus on comfort, battery life, and noise cancellation features.
  • 📸 A brief mention of the Nikon brand's rise in sales, potentially due to the increase in birdwatching and the challenge of capturing fast-moving birds in photography.
  • 🤔 Contemplation on the future of AI assistants and their potential integration with smartphones, as well as the impact of companies like Google and Apple on the market.
  • 📸 Discussion on the appeal of the Rabbit R1's design and color, and how physical product design can create hype and desire for a product beyond its functional app-based equivalent.

Q & A

  • What is the main topic of discussion in the beginning of the transcript?

    -The main topic of discussion in the beginning of the transcript is the concept of YouTube Shorts and the idea of potentially extending their length beyond one minute.

  • What app is mentioned for identifying birds and providing related information?

    -The app mentioned for identifying birds and providing related information is Bird Buddy.

  • What was the reason behind Tesla laying off their entire supercharger team?

    -The reason behind Tesla laying off their entire supercharger team is assumed to be cost-cutting, as referenced in the discussion about the company's stock price and profit margins.

  • What is the common name of the bird with the scientific name 'Cyanothis caerulea'?

    -The common name of the bird with the scientific name 'Cyanothis caerulea' is not provided in the transcript, but a trivia question related to birds is mentioned, which suggests that it might be a type of finch.

  • What is the significance of the term 'NACS' in the context of electric vehicle charging?

    -NACS (presumably referring to a charging standard or network) is significant because it is mentioned as a point where other EV manufacturers are switching their ports or shipping adapters to be compatible with Tesla's Supercharger Network.

  • What is the general sentiment towards the idea of extending the length of YouTube Shorts?

    -The general sentiment towards extending the length of YouTube Shorts is mixed, with some participants expressing the need for more time to convey their thoughts, while others argue that the current limit prevents content from becoming too long.

  • What is the discussion about the future of the Tesla Supercharger Network?

    -The discussion suggests that despite Tesla's decision to lay off their supercharger team, there is an expectation that the network will continue to grow, albeit at a slower pace, with a focus on maintenance and uptime rather than rapid expansion.

  • What is the Bird Buddy app and how does it work?

    -The Bird Buddy app is a social media platform centered around birds. It connects to a bird feeder that sends notifications when birds are present. Users can view live footage, identify bird species, and share their bird encounters with others.

  • What is the discussion about the Nikon company?

    -The discussion about Nikon highlights the company's recent increase in sales, which is attributed to the growing popularity of birding as a hobby. The challenge of photographing fast-moving birds has led to increased interest in Nikon's products.

  • What is the debate about the utility of having a separate device like the Rabbit R1 instead of an app on a smartphone?

    -The debate centers around the practicality and added value of a dedicated device like the Rabbit R1 versus using an app on a smartphone. The participants discuss the marketing appeal and physical presence of a standalone device, despite the functionality potentially being replicated on a phone.

  • What is the discussion about the potential of large language models in AI assistants?

    -The discussion explores the future possibilities of large language models in AI assistants, suggesting that these models could offer significant improvements in functionality and user experience, but also acknowledging the current limitations of such devices.

Outlines

00:00

😀 Podcast Discussion on YouTube Shorts and Bird Buddy App

The podcast begins with a conversation about YouTube Shorts and the limitations of the one-minute format. The hosts discuss their experiences with the Bird Buddy app, which allows users to identify bird species through their feeders. They talk about the app's features, such as live streaming, species identification, and the social media aspect of sharing bird sightings.

05:00

🚗 Tesla's Unexpected Layoff of Supercharger Team

The discussion shifts to Tesla's surprising decision to lay off its entire supercharger team. The supercharger network is a significant advantage for Tesla, and the hosts express their concerns about the future growth and maintenance of the network. They also touch upon the potential impact on other EV manufacturers that were planning to use the Tesla supercharger network.

10:02

📡 The Future of Meta's Horizon OS and VR Technology

The hosts talk about Meta's decision to license its Horizon OS to third parties, which could potentially lead to more widespread adoption of VR technology. They discuss the implications of this move for the metaverse and the possibility of a gaming-focused VR collaboration between Meta and Xbox.

15:02

🕶️ Experience with Meta Glasses and the Evolution of VR

The conversation includes a host's personal experience using Meta Glasses on vacation and the impressive first-person perspective they provide. They discuss the potential for using such devices in various scenarios and the continuous improvement of VR technology, including the recent update to the Quest 3 for viewing immersive panoramic images.

20:04

🎧 Review and Update on Rabbit R1 AI Device

The hosts share their updated thoughts on the Rabbit R1, an AI device that has received an OTA update to improve battery life and other functionalities. They discuss the device's bright orange color, the challenges of reviewing unfinished gadgets, and the improvements made by the update, including better standby battery life and a more responsive scroll wheel.

25:04

📱 The Dilemma of Smartphone-like AI Assistants

The discussion focuses on the question of why consumers would need a device like the Rabbit R1 when they already have smartphones. The hosts ponder the future of AI assistants and the potential for these devices to become more integrated into daily life, especially if they can offer unique benefits beyond what smartphones currently provide.

30:05

🎵 Headphone Roundup and Review

The hosts review various headphones and earbuds, discussing their experiences with different models, including the Nothing Ear (1), Bose earbuds with a clip-on design, Fairphone's repairable earbuds, and the Beats Solo 4. They cover aspects such as sound quality, comfort, design, and special features like wireless charging and noise cancellation.

35:05

🐦 Trivia Questions Involving Birds and Technology

The podcast concludes with a trivia segment where the hosts answer questions related to birds and technology. They discuss the scientific name of a bird and its common name, as well as a past controversy involving Microsoft and a bird-themed app that was featured in advertising but not yet available on Windows Phone 7.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡YouTube Shorts

YouTube Shorts is a feature on YouTube that allows creators to upload short-form vertical videos. In the script, there is a discussion about the current one-minute limit of YouTube Shorts and the potential for this limit to be extended, which is a topic of debate among the podcast hosts.

💡Bird Buddy App

The Bird Buddy App is a social media platform centered around birdwatching. It allows users to identify bird species through their feeders equipped with cameras. The app is mentioned in the script as a cool tool for bird enthusiasts, which can identify bird species and even record videos of them.

💡Nikon Sales

Nikon is a renowned camera manufacturer experiencing a surge in sales, partly due to the rising interest in birdwatching. The script discusses how the difficulty and appeal of photographing birds in flight have contributed to increased demand for Nikon's products.

💡Tesla Supercharger Network

The Tesla Supercharger Network is a system of electric vehicle charging stations designed for Tesla vehicles. The script mentions the surprising layoff of the entire supercharger team by Tesla, which could impact the growth and maintenance of this network, a previously significant advantage for Tesla in the EV market.

💡Meta Horizon OS

Meta Horizon OS is an operating system used by Meta (formerly Facebook) for its virtual reality products like the Quest headset. The script discusses Meta's decision to license the Horizon OS to third parties, which could potentially expand the reach and adoption of VR technology.

💡Rabbit R1

Rabbit R1 is an AI device with a unique design that includes a camera, speaker, and jog wheel. The script features a discussion on the device's functionality, its recent software update, and the debate over whether its capabilities could be replicated in a smartphone app.

💡Android Authority

Android Authority is a news and information source for Android users. In the script, it is mentioned in the context of an interview with a former developer who now freelances, highlighting the intersection of technology journalism and product development.

💡Twitter Thread

A Twitter thread is a series of connected tweets by a user, which allows for more extended discussions on the platform. The script references the idea of longer threads in the context of Twitter's evolving features and the user experience.

💡Instagram Reels

Instagram Reels is a feature on Instagram that allows users to create and share short, entertaining video clips. The script contrasts Reels with YouTube Shorts, discussing the user experience and content consumption habits on these platforms.

💡Bluetooth Headphones

The script includes a roundup of various Bluetooth headphones, discussing their features, sound quality, design, and user experience. This section covers different brands and models, reflecting the hosts' personal preferences and professional insights.

💡TikTok Algorithm

The TikTok algorithm is the system that curates and recommends content to TikTok users. The script mentions the algorithm in the context of a discussion on content discovery and the potential for longer-form content on short video platforms.

Highlights

Discussion on the limitations of YouTube Shorts being only one minute long and the desire for longer content.

Introduction of the Waveform podcast with hosts Marquez, Andrew, and David, covering a mix of tech stories.

Mention of the Bird app, a social media platform for bird watching, and its features like live video and species identification.

Debate on the importance of the Tesla Supercharger network and the surprising layoff of the team managing it.

Talk about the rising interest in birding and its impact on camera sales, particularly for Nikon.

Meta's decision to license the Horizon OS to third parties, potentially expanding the VR market.

Impressive battery life improvement in the Rabbit R1 device after an OTA update.

The Rabbit R1's scroll wheel acceleration improvement and the ongoing debate about its utility.

The revelation that the Rabbit OS can run on an Android phone, blurring the line between app and hardware.

Discussion on the future of AI assistants and the potential for them to become more integrated into our daily lives.

The challenge of reviewing unfinished gadgets and the ethical considerations of doing so.

Headphone roundup featuring Nothing Ear (1) and other new tech products.

Comparison of different earbuds, including Bose, Fairphone, and Beats, discussing their features and user experiences.

The significance of the 'X' in Xbox and its relation to DirectX, a collection of programming interfaces for multimedia, particularly gaming.

Trivia question about a bird-themed app falsely advertised as being available for Windows Phone 7 by Microsoft.

Humorously discussing the hatred towards pigeons while morning doves are favored, despite being the same species.

The importance of wireless charging for earbuds and how it affects user convenience.

Transcripts

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are we gonna not talk about the YouTube

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thing or I think I'll just that's just

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like a question like last night I was

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talking to Claire and I was like how is

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shorts still only one minute cuz I was

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trying to write my nothing short then it

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would be

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long okay this just proves that this

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could be a fun conversation but I think

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we just do the headphone round up this

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week and then next J right now wait I

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don't get it what why would YouTube

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shorts ever be longer cuz they're

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vertical

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[Music]

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yo what is up people of the internet

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welcome back to another episode of the

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waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm

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Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and uh

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today we got a mix of stories it's kind

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of a it's one of those weeks where a

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bunch of little stuff well a bunch of

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mediumsized stuff happened medium all

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over the place stuff yeah a bunch of

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very unrelated the the tangents this

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week are going to be off the chain

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medium rare week yeah from any anywhere

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from uh the R1 reviews being out uh

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sorry I just processed your joke solid

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um Tesla cutting their supercharger team

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out of nowhere uh we got some headphones

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to talk about it's a good time I can't

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wait to hear the Segways this week yeah

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it's G to be fun speaking of Segways but

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first what do you

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[Laughter]

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remember do you remember that Bird app

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social media we were talking about

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Twitter a while

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ago this the other one the better one

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bird bir buddy bird buddy they sent us

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one and I installed it do you have Birds

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I got Birds boy do you have a oh that

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one's cool do you have like a cool

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variety of birds or something I've only

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had they so it's really cool so these

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are birds that are in my front yard you

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see that beak it says the name of the

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bird if a new species comes up like if I

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go back when these were new oh this blue

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jay is awesome and you get video of them

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too eating the seeds that's just a blue

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jay's tail feather

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um yeah it's pretty awesome and it's

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just like social media with birds yeah

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and I can share this to everybody I can

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pick which postcards I want to post

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awesome Cardinals uh house finch the

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craziest one so far yeah those are the

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only three I've gotten so far but lots

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of them and this blue jay picture is

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awesome that's pretty hard just eating

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the seed album cover album cover new

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waveform thumbnail have you got in

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anything that's not a bird yet not yet

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okay a squirrel it was funny in said it

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would take a couple weeks before they

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might trust the bird feeder but they

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were there like day two tell Tim to uh

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put that blue J in the thumbnail in the

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thumbnail just just behind one of our

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heads like it's one of the other hosts

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no one's going to know why that would be

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awesome but yeah this app's pretty

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awesome the bird feeder is pretty cool

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it's a little pricey but do you get a

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notification every time a bird shows up

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you can change how you want it so mine

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is if it's like Just Happening it'll be

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like quick you can watch this bird live

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and then at the end of the day it'll be

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like you had x amount of birds show up

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and these many different species and

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then you can do a recap of all the ones

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that came how's the solar roof do you

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have to recharge it I have not had to

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recharge it yet my only gripe right now

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is I think I need to move it closer to

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my house because the Wi-Fi connection

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seems like it's going out a little which

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isn't that's fault and 4K or 1080p

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footage is locked behind a bird Buddy

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Pro account oh which wait they only give

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you 4K upell 720 I think it's 720 it's

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pretty solid and I guess you're just

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looking up birds so maybe I don't need

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high res of you need 1080 you need 1080

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4K baby what are you talking about how

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much do you have toay how much is it I

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don't know I don't feel like paying for

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yeah I wouldn't either that's fair but

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there's some people out there who might

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appar think I can also send all of you

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guys links to like join and watch this

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bird feeder if you want the fact that

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you haven't done that already I did and

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nobody listened in slack you did where

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send it vacation I'll send it again but

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I'm pretty sure I send an invite code to

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everyone in slack you can only have two

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people so we'll just have to do so it's

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the going to be the first two we'll have

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to do like just a a bird iPad in this

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office for anyone who wants to watch

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such a good idea big brain it's like the

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the emulating the pom Prix but yeah

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putting a did it pick me up mowing the

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lawn the other day Lon I don't think I

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don't think it'll grab people but

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squirrels though and then it'll say bird

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type squirrel I can't wait for that to

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happen nice yeah that's the bird Buddy

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app fun that's fun speaking of birds

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really quick I was doing some research

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on Nikon because we were talking about

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them a lot recently turns out they've

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been kind of blowing up in the last

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couple of years like their sales have

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gone way up and remember that thought

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keep going okay and a big reason is

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because people are getting really into

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birding right now yeah yeah cuz it's

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awesome I love that for Humanity yeah

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and I was talking to someone and they

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were like yeah people are probably

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getting into birding cuz it's like the

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last thing that's kind of hard to shoot

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cuz Birds move really fast and you have

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to like get the midair and like it's

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very it's pretty difficult to Wildlife

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photography is fun and super difficult

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especially like when you're used to

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taking video and portraits like in a

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controlled space and then you get zero

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control over it you're like it's like

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sports photography but smaller subjects

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yeah and in Sports Photography they're

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running in a circle over and over again

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can find rectangle yeah yeah that's fair

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yeah with like Wildlife you're like can

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you go a little closer to that tree like

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my framing is just not like set up here

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and look at me but don't eat me but yeah

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right exactly wait what what did I hold

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the thought about with Nikon so you said

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they it's been blowing up recently

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speaking of blowing up I knew where that

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was nice um Tesla laid off they just

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blew up their entire supercharger team

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it's just gone yeah specifically it

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seems like Elon just did it one day wait

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they shut down the supercharges no no

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they laid off the entire supercharger

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team now for those unfamiliar Tesla

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superchargers pretty important part of

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Tesla right um for when we talk about

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electric cars almost every time we talk

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about Tesla's Advantage we talk about

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the supercharger Network which is if you

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need to charge this car on a road trip

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somewhere the only reliable consistently

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reliable way to do that from our own

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experience for years has been the

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supercharger Network to the point where

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one by one over the past few months

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basically every EV maker that ships cars

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to America is going to be switching

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their port or shipping adapters to the

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nacs port to to use Tesla Supercharger

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Network because it's such a big selling

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point here so all that being said Tesla

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very suddenly laying off the entire

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supercharger team which includes all the

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permitting all of the site maintenance

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all of the uh future planning and

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basically just shutting down growth of

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the supercharge Network like nipping it

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right on on that day over 500 people

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yeah seems like a pretty bold move yeah

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um I think everyone sort of assumes that

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it's for cost cutting and you know Tesla

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stock price is doing one thing and we

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want their you know profits to do the

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other thing and so you know there's a

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lot going on and pretty crazy ruthless

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business decisions get made by this guy

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all the time so yeah the supercharger

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team is the latest victim completely

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gone on uh I don't know how do we feel

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like this is going to go yeah it's kind

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of wild because like you said everyone

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is moving to nacs and that layoff

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included Rebecca tanushi who was the

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senior director of EV charging and was

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the person that pretty much like handled

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all of the deals convincing all of the

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other companies to switch to nacs yeah

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so they kind of finished doing that and

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then now the entire team is gone and

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there were a bunch of employees that

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literally said they were breaking ground

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on new

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and then they just got the news and all

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of a sudden they just have to stop yeah

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so it seems like at some point we're

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going to feel the effects of it and I

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think it would be well okay so there was

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an Elon tweet about how oh we're

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stopping growth and we're focusing on

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just maintenance and uptime yeahor I was

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just going to say like that my initial

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thought on this and I don't follow stock

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prices I don't know anything about

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business but like when I first saw this

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it felt like oh we built this crazy

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supercharging system everybody loves it

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it's the most reliable

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everybody's going to it now thanks for

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building it later like it's easier to

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maintain something that you built

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already instead of building it but it

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seems like there's more of it yeah well

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except for the fact that the amount of

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cars using it is about to like

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5x yes I'm not saying it's a good

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decision but my first thought was like

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it feels like they did it all and I feel

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like we see that in Tech a lot it's like

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oh thanks for building this awesome

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software something like that inter good

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luck building something some else we

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what we need now the Peace of Mind

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knowing that you're always going to have

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a supercharger nearby is so important to

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like ownership of an EV yeah s to

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interrupt there's a lot of upcoming

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locations on the map where people are

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like I can't wait for that one cuz then

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I can finally do this route I can

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finally do this drive now it looks like

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those aren't going to happen uhhuh so

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yeah that's that's a bummer for those

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yeah he tweeted Tesla still plans to

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grow the supercharger Network just at a

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slower pace for new locations and more

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focus on 100% uptime And expansion of

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existing locations so I don't know if

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that means just adding more stalls to

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existing

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locations um the uptime is already

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pretty dang good like they've had very

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good uptime historically yeah I could

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see focusing on uptime like you said if

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it's going to be so many more people

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maybe there's higher opportunity of the

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uptime not being as good yeah and focus

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on that but even if that is the focus

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firing 500 people yeah and slowing the

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growth of the network cuz no matter how

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good the network is if we're talking

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about gas cars the network looks like

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crap yeah that's that's the two sides of

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that car is like when you compare the

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Tesla superer Network to gas cars it

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seems like they need they have a lot of

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growth to do but on the other side when

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you compare the supercharge Network to

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everyone else no longer needing to build

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up their Network because they all just

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signed on to do nacs it's like yeah we

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won no one else is going to come close

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to the Tesla super Jer network no need

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to build it up anymore yeah it it feels

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like when we're talking about like even

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just Tesla or rivan in vehicle software

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you're like like this is the best in

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vehicle software of any car and you're

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like how is it to an iPad it's like well

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it's terrible yeah so like yeah there's

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still so much room for growth here did

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you guys read that story a couple weeks

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ago about the I think it was an F-150

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Lightning or no it was a rivan owner

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that charged his car at a supercharger

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and it was like right after he got his

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adapter and he had a Tesla owner like

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call the cops on him because he was like

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it is illegal for you to do this you can

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be doing this and he's like bro no they

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opened it up and he's like no this is

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only for Tesla users yeah little culty

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little weird okay yeah the problem is

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the signs still say Tesla charging only

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that's true oh do they I've never not

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all the signs at supercharger have a big

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T and it says Tesla Supercharger

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supercharging only which they obviously

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mean just because don't park here and

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take up a spot but previously it was

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only Teslas that's very funny yeah I

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it's also hilarious that person called

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the cops

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the biggest overreaction ever oh yeah

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yeah did you also see rivan has decided

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to open up their their Adventure Network

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to all EVS all five of them yeah

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everyone so I mean they don't have a ton

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of chargers obviously but they do plan

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on switching to and updating with necs

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and allowing everyone to charge on their

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Adventure Network as well well maybe

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half of these Engineers will go to rivan

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and start expanding the rivan if charge

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I wonder how much capital and how big of

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a head start Tesla's network has over a

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realistic competitor to like make a

12:00

difference I feel like an insane amount

12:02

like even if you start building a

12:03

secondary nacs Network today I guess you

12:06

don't have to start you could just be

12:07

electri America and just start like

12:09

switching them all to nacs and building

12:11

a ton more could that realistically be

12:13

the like standard of up time someday I

12:15

don't know no seems despite the Head

12:19

Start if there were ever a time to want

12:21

to try and chip away at that Head Start

12:24

it's when they fire 500 people who built

12:26

that Head Start so who knows yeah all

12:29

right I'm working on a hold on too late

12:32

wait you don't have a you're working on

12:34

a segue yeah oh but this is a tough I've

12:37

got one this is a you do you have one

12:39

I'm willing to hear it speaking of what

12:42

could be happening on the horizon with

12:45

things like the Tesla Supercharger

12:46

network but also Meta Meta just start

12:50

started licensing The Horizon OS that it

12:53

uses on its Quest To Third parties ah

12:57

yeah yeah they did I find really funny

12:59

because I don't know if you guys

13:01

remember back when Microsoft was trying

13:03

to make Windows AR headsets and they

13:07

they like open sourced it so like Dell

13:09

made a headset it was mixed reality it

13:10

was Windows mixed reality Dell made a

13:12

headset uh Lenovo made a headset isus

13:15

made a headset it was like

13:17

2016 or

13:19

2017 um when the quest was first

13:23

starting to like take off like Oculus

13:25

connect one or two so Windows was like

13:28

we got to get in on this and they made

13:30

like paint 3D and all of these 3D

13:33

applications that sounds awesome I mean

13:35

it was pretty Co 3D yeah bro so they

13:38

basically just like wanted you to be

13:40

able to use Windows in mixed reality and

13:42

so all of these third parties made a

13:44

bunch of Hardware to be able to use with

13:46

it nobody bought it and then Microsoft

13:50

didn't support it they didn't keep it up

13:52

like at all they just didn't keep

13:54

updating it at all they eventually just

13:55

gave up and this is kind of the Playbook

13:57

it seems like very Google of them yeah

13:59

except like Google at least makes like

14:01

the underlying stuff sometimes Microsoft

14:05

basically didn't sell Hollow lens to

14:06

regular people so they didn't have a

14:08

first-party headset so they just relied

14:10

on third parties to make the headsets

14:13

that would work with Windows mixed

14:15

reality and now meta decided that it's

14:18

going to license Horizon OS so now if

14:21

you're Lenovo or Dell or Asus you can

14:23

just build basically a quest for but

14:28

running your own

14:30

Hardware um Vision Pro yeah they want to

14:34

be they want to be Android right they're

14:36

all meta is now all about open source

14:39

and they're all about like I guess we

14:40

can't build the metaverse by ourselves

14:43

and all this stuff um they're also

14:46

making a limited run gaming focused

14:48

quest with Xbox just for Xbox that makes

14:52

a ton of it's they're they're trying to

14:55

I I see what that's going to be

14:57

PlayStation has PlayStation VR and and

14:59

like it's not the most popular but like

15:02

Xbox is going to want to do that

15:03

eventually why wouldn't meta be the one

15:05

that could make money off of that yeah

15:07

that makes it too much sense honestly

15:09

right so they can just license because

15:10

they've already built out this OS they

15:12

put so much money into it like you might

15:14

as well just license it out because

15:16

again if there's more VR adoption that's

15:18

just better for meta in like every

15:20

capacity yeah they want to be the

15:22

foundation of a lot of this stuff right

15:24

that checks out yeah um they're also

15:27

pitching it to other OEM as a headset

15:29

you can carry with you and instantly

15:31

expand your workspace on the go so

15:34

basically the Vision Pro multiple

15:37

monitor kind of idea MH yeah I just I

15:43

don't know I like still understand all

15:44

of the like bigger workspace thing but I

15:47

just still see VR as fun immersive games

15:49

like this weekend uh Claire's friends

15:52

came over and brought their kids and I

15:53

pulled out the quest two that we had and

15:55

I just watch them have the best time

15:57

until literally the battery

16:00

watching people do that is so cool and

16:02

fun and like experiencing that yeah yeah

16:05

watching someone try beat saer for the

16:06

first time greatest game universally one

16:09

of the most fun things you yeah uh also

16:11

the quest 3 just got a update I just

16:13

found really funny and now has the

16:15

ability to view immersive panoramic

16:18

images nice because I feel like Zuck is

16:20

just like what can the Vision Pro do

16:22

that we can't do lying down mode Let's

16:25

Go panoramic images let's go like legs

16:29

legs whoa whoa whoa pump the brakes

16:32

we'll get there we'll get there so

16:35

anyway I just found that it's just a

16:36

very specific thing that the Vision Pro

16:38

was able to do that the quest couldn't

16:39

do and I'm sure that like Zuck is happy

16:41

about Vision Pro just because like oh

16:44

yeah that's a good idea let's just add

16:46

that and they can say we they can now

16:48

get closer and closer to saying we offer

16:50

everything Vision Pro offers for $500

16:53

right you know so yep we'll see how that

16:56

evolves in the future can't be mad at

16:58

that VR who's wearing the VR headset in

17:01

the thumbnail for this

17:03

week I think it's you you brought it up

17:07

can I just say on vacation I took the

17:10

metag glasses with me oh and they were

17:12

sick the metay bands you have like a

17:14

bunch of sick first person like pictures

17:17

and they're freaking awesome and I am

17:18

now a believer of the glasses form

17:20

factor what did you bring the sunglasses

17:22

or the clear glasses so you only wore

17:24

them outside or do you wear your

17:26

sunglasses inside no I wore them outside

17:28

because I'm not cool enough to wear them

17:30

inside but I'm imagining the like 700

17:33

p.m. dinner reservation and like the

17:34

food comes down it's like hold on honey

17:36

wait wait put your sunglasses on and

17:38

just like look stare at the food for a

17:40

minute no I think we were talking about

17:42

it yesterday but there's not a lot of

17:44

fun things I do inside that I want to

17:46

record first person things of outside

17:49

though doing a lot of cool stuff see I

17:51

want to borrow one because when Lane

17:54

first wakes up she is like the smiliest

17:56

baby ever but if she sees a phone she

17:58

like transfixes to it and kind of like

18:00

shuts down so I want to put them on just

18:02

when I pick her up in the morning cuz

18:05

it's adorable but interesting I wonder

18:07

how she would reac toyed sunglasses on

18:09

as I woke her up at 7:00 in the morning

18:12

personally I would be terrified if I

18:14

woke up S and you were there with

18:16

sunglasses hovering over the crib yeah I

18:22

Fon I fundamentally think that adding

18:24

new features to existing things that we

18:26

already use in our everyday life is the

18:28

best way

18:32

yeah I've seen a t of people outside

18:35

Manhattan with meta Quest seen meta Ray

18:39

bands I've seen them out in the wild too

18:41

someone in the building has them yeah I

18:43

have not seen them in the wild yet

18:44

really yeah not that I've noticed which

18:46

maybe that's a good thing maybe I have

18:47

seen them notice maybe they're recording

18:49

you and you just don't notice yeah they

18:50

also just uh opened up the multi

18:53

multimodal feature to everybody like uh

18:56

late last week right so so you can go

18:58

look can tell me blah blah blah yeah and

19:01

what is this do everything the rabbit

19:02

can do what is this when was the

19:04

Brooklyn Bridge made what is this

19:07

business I'm standing in front

19:09

of sir that's a Wendy's that's a water

19:13

well we should take a quick break we

19:14

drag that one we have uh we have some

19:16

quick rabbit final thoughts coming up

19:17

and some other stuff with YouTube but

19:19

first we should uh we should do trivia

19:23

we should do that

19:25

trivia all right first question

19:29

do you guys want I'll give you the

19:32

option cuz I have two options here okay

19:35

do you guys want a question about birds

19:37

or a question about Microsoft can you do

19:39

a question with both no I ordinarily I'm

19:43

I'm all for the tech questions

19:45

but you're the tiebreaker interesting oh

19:49

you have one bird one Microsoft yeah oh

19:51

W I think we both know what we have a

19:53

better chance

19:55

at Bird yeah let's go Birds let's go

19:59

let's go all right so we were talking

20:01

about the bird buddy earlier mic birds

20:04

so let's talk birds like finches micro

20:06

Bird's scientific name is

20:10

C cyanos Christ CA what

20:16

is wait chist like fr

20:21

tost the is a

20:24

Christ what is the common name of said

20:27

bird I don't know wow ask me the

20:29

Microsoft question Twitter is it Twitter

20:32

bird it's the Twitter bird the Twitter

20:35

verse yeah let's let's do the Microsoft

20:37

question why not let's let's do you want

20:39

both I think we've all just

20:42

realized well we're still trying the

20:44

bird one but we can also do the

20:45

Microsoft one you guys are going to hate

20:47

yourself when you learn the answer to

20:48

that okay the Microsoft we're still

20:50

figuring out what does The X in Xbox

20:53

stand for

20:55

experience extra

20:59

wait exercise exercise box it just looks

21:02

cool man yeah I think it looks cool the

21:04

Elon approach for bro it's X yeah x x is

21:08

cool right we'll be right

21:13

[Music]

21:20

back all right welcome back we have at

21:24

least a little bit of updated thoughts

21:25

on the rabbit r one yeah I hope I'm

21:30

bleeding your eyes I love that that

21:33

orange color is still so good okay so

21:34

the review came out the video is up

21:37

surprising amount of time spent color

21:38

correcting every shot with orange in it

21:40

to try to make it look the way it

21:41

actually does in real life still hard

21:44

really hard it's the brightest orange

21:46

thing in any room that it's in it like

21:48

almost is visible in the dark that's how

21:51

it's like a safety cone Orange it's like

21:52

hard yeah safety it's like a darker

21:55

orange that is still wildly bright

21:58

almost hurt your eyes bright it's

22:00

impressive I love it it's impressive

22:01

it's this little AI in a box designed by

22:03

teenage engineering made by a startup

22:05

called rabbit and it has a camera it has

22:08

a speaker it has a jog wheel has a

22:10

screen we talked about it a bit last

22:12

week and we compared to the human AI pin

22:16

talked about what it does and sort of

22:17

this this uh I was actually pondering

22:20

last week in real time like the state of

22:22

reviewing these unfinished gadgets and

22:26

that did make it to the review so you

22:27

should watch the review that'll be the

22:28

the link below the the like button so

22:30

you can check that out um our updates

22:32

are one there's an O OTA update for this

22:36

thing the first one which pretty classic

22:39

as soon as you're done reviewing

22:40

literally that always happens I feel

22:42

like it always happens and then there's

22:43

always comments like they should have

22:45

just waited for the review we didn't

22:47

know about that either the review should

22:49

have waited for the OTA or the product

22:51

should have shipped with this giant fix

22:53

huge fix one or the other maybe um so

22:57

the fix mostly seems to improve standby

22:59

battery life yes from your experience

23:01

how has it has it actually worked yeah

23:03

actually surprisingly they said that

23:05

there was a core bug that they squashed

23:08

which I'm I'm not really sure why they

23:10

didn't do that before they shipped to

23:12

the device didn't they claim it's like

23:15

5x better battery life which is kind of

23:17

true because yeah cuz previously it's

23:20

like if I didn't charge it the next day

23:23

it would be dead even if I didn't use it

23:25

once 100% um now yesterday at around 400

23:28

p.m. I unplugged it at around

23:32

97% and I haven't used it once today but

23:35

it's still at

23:36

72 that's actually that's way better

23:39

than it used to be yeah at least it's

23:41

not dead every time you pick it up now

23:42

we were having this conversation

23:44

yesterday when that the news came out

23:47

about the 5x battery life update and

23:49

David and I were saying like that is

23:52

such a wild number that either there's

23:55

no way it does that good or what did you

23:57

mess up in the first place that you can

24:00

5x something yeah yeah you don't usually

24:03

see software updates doing 5x

24:05

Improvement of anything no like I 10 20%

24:09

or something not

24:11

500% yeah wow so SC wheel still sucks

24:15

well the other thing that they actually

24:16

changed the scroll wheel acceleration

24:18

yeah cuz a lot of people were talking

24:20

about it so now it it moves a lot faster

24:23

it still doesn't look it's still not

24:24

quite there but last time it was like a

24:27

full thing would move like one and a now

24:29

ites now it moves like three the

24:31

acceleration feels a lot better it could

24:33

still be even more fine tuned but it's a

24:35

lot better I still think you need a way

24:37

to get home without scrolling all the

24:39

way to the top and clicking home mhm um

24:41

like a gesture yeah almost like a like a

24:44

swipe May if only screens if only there

24:46

was room yeah I really so Dave 2D he

24:50

also did a review of the rabbit and he

24:52

had this section in his video I I texted

24:54

him after cuz I literally we almost did

24:56

this in the Humane video in this rabbit

24:58

review maybe we'll just play the clip so

25:00

if I had to redesign this thing this is

25:02

what I would do first I'd get rid of the

25:04

scroll wheel completely it's cute but

25:06

it's just not useful enough to me and

25:08

then now probably just move the camera

25:09

on top of the bezel there's a little bit

25:11

of room there and then maybe add some

25:13

Hardware volume buttons it is a speech

25:14

based device and you might as well

25:16

extend the screen because you know you

25:18

got a little bit of room down there and

25:19

oh look it's a phone like the thing you

25:22

already have in your pocket I literally

25:24

had the exact same thing I removed it

25:26

from the video but it was a section of

25:28

the Humane AI pin review which is okay

25:31

how would I improve this thing that they

25:33

made okay number one the battery life

25:34

sucks so maybe just a way bigger battery

25:36

the camera's bad so I give it bigger

25:38

cameras uh the projector sucks so

25:40

probably give it a screen instead and

25:42

then like three or four steps later it's

25:44

like a I just made a phone I just

25:45

invented the smartphone yeah so that

25:47

that is still so very true about the big

25:51

question these things have to answer

25:52

which is why would I want one when I

25:54

have a phone already yeah and they kind

25:56

of don't really answer that for most

25:57

people which is still true but at least

26:00

the battery doesn't die overnight

26:02

anymore which is good I think it makes

26:03

more sense on the rabbit one because the

26:06

Humane pin at least is like connected to

26:08

you on the outside and different when

26:09

this you still have to pull it out of

26:10

your pocket so why is this not just an

26:13

app well we'll get there but I just want

26:16

to read the release notes for the update

26:18

real quick so idle batter performance uh

26:21

improved by up to 5x added time zone

26:24

selection for R1 settings hug to Cor how

26:28

is that not I can't believe it ships

26:31

without time zone selection yeah and

26:33

also everyone is on Pacific time that's

26:35

why yeah all of that in real life yeah

26:38

yeah that's on the wrong Pacific time

26:41

cuz I asked it what time it was and it

26:43

told me 3 hours before actual Pacific

26:45

time like when I reviewed it in the

26:47

video you can see mine says it's 7:00

26:49

a.m. but it's clearly noon in the studio

26:52

and off camera we asked what time is it

26:54

and it said it's 4: a.m. on the west

26:57

coast which which means it's 7 a.m.

27:00

where you are so it's just like yeah

27:02

both of those things are wrong but at

27:03

least you gave me some math to explain

27:05

why you're thinking what you are so yeah

27:07

show your work so it says there's now a

27:09

times on selection and it should Auto

27:11

Select based on GPS location so it has

27:13

your GPS location well it says made more

27:16

aware of when to use GPS to query your

27:18

location and understands how to leverage

27:20

that information another part of the

27:22

update is a response to your Tweet

27:24

basically yeah it should hopefully stop

27:26

saying I do not have access to your

27:27

location right

27:29

yeah so the confusing thing about that

27:31

just to clarify is when that made it

27:33

seem like it doesn't use GPS but it does

27:35

want to use it right but for some reason

27:38

the language model just was telling you

27:40

it didn't so that's what made it all

27:42

seem really weird because a large

27:43

language model is a prediction machine

27:45

the large language model when you query

27:47

it is like no I'm not because the

27:49

language model is not using GPS but

27:52

because this has cellular it knows your

27:54

location the physical Hardware does know

27:56

your location and so the L anguage model

27:58

was like no I don't because technically

28:00

the language model doesn't but the

28:02

hardware does my fist didn't punch you

28:04

my brain punched

28:06

me yeah this was just an example it but

28:10

because it said it out loud like that it

28:12

made it sound like it was like sneakily

28:14

keeping track of you yeah people posted

28:16

a lot of clips about this like Meta Meta

28:18

does the exact same thing with the rayb

28:20

bands people post clips about it exact

28:22

same thing anyway that was an update uh

28:25

improve detection of server connections

28:27

which is good because cuz a lot of the

28:28

times you'll just like unlock it and

28:30

it'll be like connecting to server

28:31

failed to connect to Rabbit OS and it's

28:33

like cool I just can't use the device

28:35

until I lock it and unlock it for more

28:37

just use it in offline mode yeah oh wait

28:40

does nothing um improved music playback

28:43

UI so yeah that's thank God that's nice

28:47

it's actually really I will say the

28:49

couple of apps that it does have the

28:51

music playback really annoying it's bad

28:54

I could not get the Uber app to work I

28:56

connected my account it was logged in it

28:59

was attached I said call me in Uber to

29:01

this place it said where would you like

29:03

to call it from give me the location and

29:05

then I did and it said okay calling an

29:07

Uber where would you like to call it

29:08

from give me your location I said from

29:10

here and it said okay where would you

29:12

like to call it from so I just can't get

29:14

that to work um I'm happy that there are

29:16

some improvements with music I think

29:17

I'll EAD it now did you see Quinn's

29:20

tweet about ordering door Dash yeah like

29:22

didn't ask him what he wanted and then

29:25

sent it home when he was at work yeah

29:27

and he didn't get to like confirm any of

29:29

those things automatically selected the

29:31

highest tip yeah um okay improved

29:35

reliability for Bluetooth connectivity

29:37

which I'm not sure anyone is using

29:39

Bluetooth on it right now because at the

29:41

end like later down the line if you used

29:45

this as your main device you'd want to

29:46

be able to use Bluetooth on it but right

29:48

now literally nobody can use it as their

29:50

main device so that's you know uh

29:52

improve stability on meeting assistant/

29:54

recorder for longer durations sure

29:58

improve the accuracy regarding time

29:59

related information during conversation

30:02

nice still doesn't do timers yeah so I

30:05

didn't know that I thought it did no you

30:06

know what the best part of it is when

30:08

you ask it uh to set a timer instead of

30:11

being like just saying I can't set a

30:13

timer it's like I don't have the ability

30:14

to set a timer if you would like to

30:16

track the time you should stare at a

30:19

clock

30:20

it if you would like to track the time

30:23

you can manually track the time by

30:24

looking at a clock I maybe I'm just

30:28

hallucinating this like the rabbit would

30:30

do but I swore they took a shot at

30:33

Humane for timers and like reminders um

30:37

I don't remember I don't know okay I

30:39

could be totally wrong on that but I

30:41

just assumed this had timers it is wild

30:43

that two over $100 devices came out in

30:47

the last month that can't set a timer

30:50

well the iPad doesn't have a calculator

30:51

so pick your point listen I I and we

30:54

make fun of that just as much as it

30:55

deserves to be made fun of so yeah Fair

30:58

for a while the homep could only set one

31:00

timer at a time remember that that's

31:01

hilarious and it was a huge update when

31:03

they added a while was like a

31:06

decade was that that we live in an Age

31:08

of

31:09

Wonders I think so yeah we truly live

31:11

it's so funny cuz on I like uh home my

31:14

Nest home I'll have a timer and I'll be

31:17

like oh this probably needs to be in the

31:18

oven a little longer you can just go

31:19

like add 10 minutes to that timer and

31:21

you can watch it just immediately do it

31:23

and it's like that's kind of nice and

31:26

there are somehow things in 2023 that

31:28

can't even get close to doing Society if

31:31

Instagram had an iPad app we could set

31:34

multiple timers yeah yeah yeah that's

31:37

something I would like my personal

31:38

assistant to be able to do for could you

31:40

imagine hiring a personal assistant and

31:42

being

31:43

like remind me in five minutes and it's

31:46

like I can't do that I can't do it

31:49

man that's something I not my wheel

31:52

house like you might have to use your

31:53

phone what are you even for yeah okay so

31:57

um that's all fun

31:58

still still for sale so why can't you

32:00

just like download an app a timer app so

32:05

yeah interesting so yesterday uh michall

32:08

Raman who you guys might know he used to

32:11

work with XA developers he's now a

32:13

freelance but mostly doing stuff with

32:14

Android authority we interviewed him for

32:17

the S imagent Mod episode exactly sorry

32:20

I didn't mean to you should have just

32:21

let you said thate finish

32:24

our sandwiches there it is

32:29

anyway I'm sorry Ellis he texted me

32:31

yesterday and he said dude you're not

32:33

going to believe this and he sent me a

32:35

screenshot and it was the R1 logo on a

32:41

pixel uh

32:43

6A and

32:45

effectively the whole rabbit OS R1 thing

32:51

can run on an Android phone because it's

32:55

basically like the the thing that you

32:57

inter interact with on the device is

33:00

basically just an Android app but it's

33:02

the only thing you interact with so the

33:05

APK that he was able to side side load

33:07

onto his pixel 6A went through the whole

33:09

setup process just like he W would on

33:11

the rabbit R1 he was able to it said

33:13

like things for inserting your T-Mobile

33:14

SIM card now you can do this blah blah

33:17

blah all this stuff and he was able to

33:19

query it ask it questions set it up on

33:21

when he went on to Rabbit Hole it said

33:23

you've got a rabbit R1 I think he set it

33:25

up through the the launcher yeah like he

33:28

set up his Rabbit Hole account on the

33:30

pixel 6A yeah oh wow yeah so it's just

33:34

very funny because this technically is

33:37

just a phone because everyone says why

33:40

shouldn't this be an app why isn't this

33:41

just an app and the irony of this whole

33:43

thing is it it is it is an app that's

33:47

crazy yeah and it's like but they they

33:49

want us to know they want they being

33:51

rabbit the lamb is not an app of course

33:55

cloud-based

33:57

was ever I'll just read the do you want

34:00

me to just read there the official

34:01

statement is we are aware there are some

34:03

unofficial rabbit OS app website

34:05

emulators out there we understand the

34:06

passion that people have to get a taste

34:08

of our Ai and lamb uh instead of waiting

34:10

for the R1 to arrive that being said to

34:12

clear any misunderstanding and set the

34:14

record straight rabbit OS and lamb run

34:16

on the cloud with a very bespoke AOSP

34:18

and lower level firmware modifications

34:21

therefore a local bootleg APK without

34:22

the proper OS and Cloud endpoints won't

34:24

be able to access our service rabid OS

34:26

is customized for our one and we do not

34:28

support thirdparty clients using a

34:30

bootlegged APK or web client carries

34:32

significant risks malicious actors are

34:33

known to publish bootlegged apps that

34:35

steal your data for this reason we

34:37

recommend users avoid using these

34:38

bootleg rabbit OS

34:41

apps yeah I don't really know what he

34:42

means by bootleg um you know someone

34:46

Michelle was guessing that someone

34:47

extracted the APK from their R1 and then

34:51

distributed it okay and like they were

34:53

able to run Android apps on the R1

34:58

yeah they ran a bunch of different

34:59

Android apps on the R1 which means

35:01

whatever the OS the R1 is using locally

35:05

is AOSP based which is fine I don't

35:07

think they didn't they didn't actually

35:09

they didn't like lie about anything

35:11

right we're not nobody's trying to like

35:13

gotcha rabbit right now I think the Just

35:16

the Funny kind of ironic thing about all

35:19

of this is that everyone just keeps

35:21

saying why is in this nap and it like is

35:23

like the lamb is running in the cloud

35:25

rabbit OS is running in the cloud all

35:27

this stuff but there is an AOSP like

35:31

build on the device that is running all

35:33

that stuff and because you could Port

35:35

that to an Android phone because it's

35:37

Android it could just be an app so the

35:41

big question is just like why

35:44

Hardware yeah period question mark feels

35:47

very much a business decision over

35:51

anything other practical other than that

35:54

right I mean I think the the pros here

35:55

are if it was an app you have

35:58

everything that I can do and this lamb

35:59

in the future that does sound really

36:01

cool we all agreed large action model

36:03

sounds really cool except imagine it

36:05

with way better computer power computing

36:07

power better interactions better camera

36:09

pretty much better everything better

36:11

screen better battery life better yeah

36:14

but then when you're rabbit the better

36:15

part of it is selling an app and

36:18

marketing an app is so much harder than

36:19

a bright shiny teenage engineered orange

36:23

yeah this developed an insane amount of

36:26

hype you can tell that because every

36:27

time we've talked about it on the

36:29

podcast it gets like more Vi views than

36:31

anything else yeah so we'll talk about

36:32

it next week

36:34

also obviously um so yeah I it's like

36:38

you know nobody's trying to got to them

36:40

it's not like they lied about anything

36:41

it's just it's just kind of adds to all

36:43

of the irony MH about how it definitely

36:46

could be an app yeah the interesting

36:48

thing to me too is like if you take this

36:50

statement and you assume it's true right

36:52

let's say that this is a bootlegged app

36:55

which I'm assuming what he means by that

36:57

is that some saw the popularity of

36:58

rabbit they made some random APK app

37:00

that simulates what it's like to be on

37:02

rabbit OS let's say that's true okay but

37:05

then the device itself still runs AOSP

37:08

does it not yeah it that's what everyone

37:10

is assuming device itself runs AOSP

37:12

that's what everyone is saying but they

37:14

seem to have a problem with us pointing

37:16

it out weird I don't know why they're so

37:18

defensive think they're worried yeah

37:21

sorry that's the part that confuses me

37:22

sorry cut off no yeah but give me your

37:24

thoughts I think that they are worried

37:25

that people will think like that nothing

37:28

is running in the cloud and everything

37:30

is local and that you could just run

37:34

everything on the phone which is clearly

37:35

not true that's not how Google does it

37:37

either you know like Gemini Ultra runs

37:40

in the cloud on all these servers Siri

37:42

runs in the cloud when you query it it's

37:44

like it's not like it's just going to be

37:46

all local but I think that they're

37:48

worried that people think it is because

37:50

if it all was then yeah you could just

37:52

put it on a phone I saw a comment which

37:55

was just of obviously not great comment

37:58

but it was saying like I don't get Mar

38:00

Marquez really thinks these large action

38:02

models could run on a phone it's like no

38:05

he just thinks that the way it's running

38:07

on the rabbit would run better on a

38:09

phone because the rabbit is less

38:10

powerful and all the cloud-based stuff

38:13

is still going to work better yeah as an

38:15

app it makes no it doesn't make all as

38:16

much sense because it is an app because

38:18

it's an app like yeah giving this thing

38:21

better Hardware would not make it

38:23

worse it'd be crazy if it did let's be

38:26

real if it did that'd be a sweet spicy

38:28

take I know so I don't know just think

38:31

it's

38:32

funny I'd buy a phone in that orange

38:35

immediately I did hear I don't even know

38:37

what it would be there was there were a

38:38

lot of comments like that on the review

38:40

that orange of like yo that color though

38:43

that that design which is the entire

38:45

reason I

38:46

got I feel like that color needs to be

38:48

the color of the like hats or scarves

38:50

that celebrities wear when they don't

38:52

want the paparazzi to take photos of

38:53

them it's straight up like broke Quinn's

38:56

Quinn took a photo of it next to the

38:57

Humane pin and it was like artifacted

38:59

cuz his computer or his um phone's like

39:03

camera just could not compute correctly

39:05

what exposure it needed yeah the

39:07

difference between like the side of it

39:09

and the top of it or whatever as it

39:11

reflects light both overwhelm the sensor

39:13

so it just looks like it's a flat

39:14

oversaturated orange stripe on your

39:16

screen it's crazy it is impossible to

39:18

get this on camera the eclipse isn't

39:20

going to break your sensor the rabbit R1

39:22

is yes anyway it's wild I still want one

39:26

I still kind of want one oh my gosh I

39:29

want well here's the thing I want it and

39:31

then I think about what will I do with

39:32

this and I go nothing but it look so

39:35

cool on my desk oh my goodness I'm I'm

39:38

glad at least it doesn't die immediately

39:40

here's a question you want one what were

39:43

you going to do with it because imagine

39:44

it's an app like would you how often

39:46

would you open that app on your phone

39:48

well that's what I'm saying because it's

39:49

not an app I'm interested in it okay so

39:52

they got you see I see their point like

39:54

they got me cuz if it was an app it

39:56

doesn't work

39:58

so like I would I wouldn't really use it

40:00

as an app like the actual functionality

40:02

yeah the functionality is very Oh you

40:04

mean because it Li to you current how it

40:06

is right now well even just like the

40:07

current large action models are only

40:09

four apps and it's not great like I

40:11

still think there's a huge future in

40:13

that and how it's working but like

40:15

that's not what the consumer getting

40:17

yeah like eventually some point down the

40:19

line if that thing works I would take it

40:22

alongside my phone not instead of a

40:24

phone but I 100% would take that

40:26

alongside a phone instead of just an app

40:29

Pock like think about this what what if

40:32

the rabbit could just be your assistant

40:34

on your phone it could but you have a

40:37

camera on your phone but you still carry

40:39

around a camera I do yeah that's what I

40:41

mean like exceedingly rare by the way

40:43

yeah that's what I'm saying but it's

40:44

that kind of device to me like I feel

40:46

like having that separated out of my

40:48

phone I would enjoy that yeah I could

40:51

see this being like a a launcher an

40:53

Android launcher cuz there's a lot what

40:55

I was thinking is this is kind of like a

40:57

D phone you know there's like that whole

40:59

Dum phone Trend that's going on right

41:00

now it's like you can't use social media

41:02

and you can't do this and you can't do

41:03

that it's not even a trend just people

41:05

are talking about it as a as if it is a

41:07

TR left my desk it's like the I mean

41:10

like I see what you mean it could be

41:11

similar to like the Palm Phone words

41:14

secondary you keep your phone in your

41:17

bag and then you have this like less

41:20

intrusive like you're going on a hike I

41:22

totally get that I think the thing that

41:24

keeps striking me about like why this

41:26

thing is useful is cuz it's an assistant

41:28

and it has to be useful to you and to be

41:31

useful to you you need it to know all

41:33

the stuff about you but because it's

41:35

separate from your phone and doesn't

41:37

connect to your phone at all it doesn't

41:39

know any of the things about you and so

41:41

you have to you have to really dedicate

41:44

yourself to like shoveling information

41:47

into it to get anything out of it or

41:49

they can just allow Google to input all

41:51

my information and there it is if they

41:53

partner with Google the more I think

41:55

about this and how we said before like

41:57

imagine if you actually hired an

41:59

assistant and they couldn't do a timer

42:01

that's what I just now I'm going to

42:03

think about every time they're like oh

42:05

this can't do it or it's messing that up

42:06

and be like if I hired an assistant and

42:09

said hey can you Uber Eats me something

42:11

it's like I can only do door Dash and

42:13

also I can't really read the menu and

42:16

I'm not sure where you're located for me

42:18

to do this right now I be like I would

42:20

fire them I would not not yeah that's

42:23

that's how I'm literally thinking about

42:25

this and by the way it does have some

42:26

cool featur that are like super human

42:28

features like I point it at my screen

42:30

and it reads the whole page instantly

42:32

and gives me a summary I was going to

42:33

say assistants can read usually but like

42:35

this will be faster than human so I'll

42:37

point at like a page long article and I

42:39

don't think I can scroll yet because I

42:40

don't think it reads on video but I'll

42:41

point it at like a full page thing and

42:43

I'll say Give me a summary of that it'll

42:45

give me two three sentences like right

42:46

away like that's that's super useful

42:49

like if a person could do that because

42:50

it's got a brain and it's got an eyee

42:52

and it like looks at the thing and reads

42:54

it for you that's cool so that that

42:56

glimp of like what it could be is fun

42:58

but yeah it just needs so much more like

43:00

information about the person and that

43:01

information is on your phone yeah so

43:03

that's that's what gets me really

43:05

curious about what we're going to see in

43:06

the next couple weeks because we have

43:07

Google IO coming up we have we're

43:10

starting to see some rumors about Safari

43:13

and Siri and AI starting to like melt

43:16

together a little bit in possibly uh

43:18

WWDC announcements so I'm obviously

43:21

curious about what Siri could look like

43:24

if it was good um and what Google

43:27

assistant could possibly start to do if

43:28

they see what these AI assistant in a

43:31

box things are good at and you're Siri

43:32

is listening to you right now I said

43:34

Siri and I sorry for saying Siri so

43:36

often Siri Siri Siri um so sorry about

43:39

that but yeah I'm curious what we're

43:41

going to see from these from these

43:42

companies in the next few weeks because

43:43

they clearly have seen these

43:44

announcements and they're clearly going

43:45

to start to make some stuff yeah

43:48

hopefully yeah yeah we'll see if Google

43:50

does I mean I think we're all expecting

43:52

Google to but it's also you trigger

43:54

there you go Google Google Google Google

43:56

Google you you triggered

43:57

yeah it's Google so I can't promise that

44:01

they will actually integrate this even

44:02

though this is their time they should be

44:05

they should be doing everything that

44:07

this does but just in Google assistant

44:10

right now but it's also Google Google

44:13

should just buy it it's also true about

44:15

it's also true about that's a hot take

44:17

about Apple

44:20

because okay spoiler alert we had a

44:22

conversation with Jesse the the

44:24

co-founder of rabbit like before we got

44:26

to use the product right and I asked him

44:28

all these questions why is it not an app

44:30

what do you guys think of your head

44:31

start over these other big players and

44:33

one of the things he talked about was we

44:37

believe we're going to have this Head

44:39

Start essentially

44:41

forever

44:42

because it's it's like we've put in the

44:45

work and we have this L and that

44:47

iteration will always be one step ahead

44:49

of whatever Google or Apple decides to

44:51

start making today and I I get the

44:54

philosophy it's like GPT 4 will always

44:57

be ahead of whoever started after GPT

44:59

that's not true it's not necessarily

45:01

think about the Vision Pro what about

45:04

Vision Pro like it's a first generation

45:07

headset from Apple right but it's later

45:09

than and it's got way more features than

45:12

like a lot of the other headsets yeah I

45:14

guess like training wise if you think of

45:15

their of their of their models as

45:18

iterating on top of each other they they

45:20

think that their their lead is safe in

45:23

that department I don't know still hard

45:25

to justify I doubt it that's sentence is

45:28

exactly what I would say if I wanted

45:30

someone to pay me for the work that I've

45:32

done and just license this out and get

45:34

bought out by someone but on the other

45:36

hand like when's the last time Apple did

45:37

anything about

45:39

Siri

45:41

2014 I kind of get it from that

45:43

perspective did we ever do a bet of like

45:45

what would come first like updated

45:47

better Siri or the calculator app cuz if

45:49

we do now we're finding out yeah this

45:52

might be a huge year they both it could

45:54

both come out at dubdub this year yeah

45:57

yeah this could be the biggest dub duub

46:00

of all time the biggest dubdub of all

46:02

time the only way they can one up the

46:04

Vision Pro dub is calcor app we could be

46:07

here all day yeah I don't know I'd say

46:09

go watch the review I I stand by all my

46:11

thoughts on the device itself uh which

46:15

mostly are about the fact that the

46:17

promise of what it could be in three

46:19

years of updates is something beautiful

46:21

and crazy and super helpful and wild and

46:24

if they are able to get there awesome

46:26

but buy buying it today is just taking a

46:28

like a lottery ticket towards maybe that

46:30

future yeah and so it is what it is

46:33

today it's gotten one software update

46:35

that doesn't kill the battery anymore in

46:36

a single day great they got a long way

46:38

to

46:39

go uh at that pace yeah one down many to

46:44

go I would put it that way um okay we

46:47

got to take a quick break but we got one

46:48

more little Roundup of stuff we got to

46:50

talk about after so we'll get there

46:53

right after trivia

46:55

[Music]

47:00

before we get into Trivia today I just

47:02

want to put out a call because I really

47:04

wanted to do a trivia question today

47:06

that I couldn't find all the info to I

47:09

wanted to do a real or fake these

47:12

devices actually run Android under the

47:14

hood and I found a good few good ones

47:16

but not enough to really make the

47:17

question so if I just assume yes I'm so

47:20

interested if you are a developer if

47:22

you're an engineer and you know of a

47:25

wacky ass device that's that runs

47:28

Android under the hood tweet at me Ellis

47:30

Roven I'll redownload Twitter just to

47:32

get these submissions and maybe next

47:34

week we'll do a fun rabbit inspired uh

47:37

question but right now the books Palmer

47:39

this

47:39

week the best device ever made this week

47:43

the three of you challenged the two of

47:46

us to bring you a question that involved

47:48

both Microsoft and birds oh wow that was

47:52

fast and I came through I have it

47:55

here in

47:57

2010 during the leadup to the release of

48:00

the Windows Phone 7 Microsoft landed in

48:04

hot water for including a bird themed

48:07

app in their advertising that according

48:09

to the developer had not been ported to

48:12

Windows Phone 7 what app was it there's

48:15

no way that 2010 Windows Phone 7

48:19

marketing materials featuring this app

48:22

did not launch with the phone but it was

48:25

marketed to launch with the phone yeah

48:27

like in like Windows Phone 7 ad there'

48:29

be icons for all the apps and this

48:31

popular app was there I'm thinking about

48:34

and this is still on the podcast so

48:36

we'll be right

48:39

[Music]

48:46

back welcome back so I had a question

48:49

here which proved that we have a lot of

48:51

opinions on it because we just argued

48:52

about it off the air for a couple

48:54

minutes but we brought it back I was

48:56

just like writing a short recently for

48:58

the studio Channel and I wanted like 30

49:00

more seconds because it's so hard to put

49:03

your thoughts into one minute especially

49:05

when you know people are going to be

49:06

like well you didn't even talk about

49:07

this or you didn't do that but but

49:08

sometimes we don't have enough for a

49:09

full video so we do a short of it MH and

49:12

Tik Tok because it started as a short

49:14

form content started adding longer and

49:17

longer Tik toks and like vertical

49:19

endlessly scrolling content is what I'm

49:21

talking about do you ever see YouTube as

49:24

having the shorts videos be long longer

49:26

than 1 minute what would you like to see

49:29

it as what would be the cut off you

49:31

would be okay with YouTube you never

49:34

change it should never change it past a

49:36

minute leave it a minute YouTube Longs

49:38

yeah come on that's marquez's joke

49:40

YouTube they've got Longs already they'

49:42

got Longs okay what let me just ask you

49:44

something real quick when you're

49:45

scrolling on Tik Tok 5sec video Scroll

49:48

10c video scroll when you get to a twom

49:51

minute Tik Tok What do you do I watch

49:53

two minutes no no yeah yeah do you want

49:56

to my likes right now I'll go in you

49:58

watch the whole thing whole thing you

50:00

watch the whole two minutes I bet you I

50:01

have a liked one in here that's all

50:03

right well I would argue that most

50:05

people when they encounter a several

50:07

minute long video on their Tik Tok feed

50:10

just leave and I think I think probably

50:14

most people's behavior would reflect

50:16

that right I've never seen a Tik Tok

50:18

longer than 90 seconds that wasn't about

50:20

conspiracy 90

50:22

seconds it's always if I if I see if I

50:24

see that thing at the bottom I'm like oh

50:26

man does that say about my 33 minute

50:28

video of that's a YouTube video that's

50:31

yeah we're talking about this is a video

50:33

of a British Grandpa eating American

50:35

sausage and gravy for the or biscuits

50:37

and gravy for the first time for more

50:38

than a minute yep and it's great it's

50:41

adorable I watched the whole thing of

50:43

course I did cry no but he's very

50:46

excited story arc 45 it's him getting

50:50

explained what biscuits and gravy is and

50:52

then she explains that well it's really

50:53

just a scone because they can't really

50:55

buy bis American biscuits

50:57

algorithm there character development in

50:59

your Tik Tok that's crazy I would say

51:01

most people's like nighttime scolling

51:03

Before Their Eyes fall out of their head

51:04

before they go to sleep is like just

51:06

just 30 seconds 30 seconds 30 seconds

51:09

and it's like super quick so that's why

51:10

I wanted to pitch the like where would

51:12

we draw the line on YouTube yes I think

51:15

the line is perfectly set 60 seconds or

51:18

under gets it in the shorts feed so that

51:20

people who are scrolling the shorts feed

51:22

just get short videos and if you want to

51:24

upload a 2-minute video or a five minute

51:27

video you can it's just a YouTube

51:30

video I don't want I don't want to like

51:32

just go into the conversation with

51:33

Marquez I feel like I'm heated here my

51:36

take is that we should um eliminate

51:40

short form

51:41

video meaning you can't upload anything

51:44

under a certain

51:46

length now that is a service I would

51:49

watch interesting that wait we have to

51:51

start this minimum 45 minutes it's

51:54

called Tik Tock Tik Tok Tik Tok Tik Tok

51:56

that's the name of the platform Tik Tok

51:58

on the clock baby mhm that are you guys

52:00

just talking about quibby no cuz quibby

52:03

quibby you could do it could be sure if

52:06

I mean no I think quibby was 50 okay but

52:08

those were like produced that wasn't

52:10

like user generated content I want user

52:12

generated content where the limit is

52:13

five minutes like when you hit the

52:16

record button it's it does not stop

52:18

recording for five minutes we could be

52:20

done talking it's going to keep

52:21

recording the videos that you upload

52:22

have to be at least 5 minutes or it just

52:24

doesn't so if you stop talking after 4

52:26

minutes it just keeps recording and you

52:29

you just need 30 more seconds before you

52:31

can upload you have to Pat it you have

52:32

to keep talking so my question though

52:35

you have both made shorts before whether

52:37

it's for the studio Channel or the main

52:39

Channel unfortunately yes and I know you

52:41

write for them how many times have you

52:43

been like there's like three more

52:45

sentences that feel super beneficial

52:48

it's like old tweets I actually how do

52:51

you feel how do you feel when a too long

52:54

tweet hits your timeline change the

52:56

verbit

52:58

I think you hate it if I see I see the

53:00

Seymour button I'm scrolling down yeah

53:03

I'm bailing so you can still upload

53:06

longer tweets but it's like that's not

53:08

for I saw someone who had italicized

53:10

part of their tweet the other day and I

53:11

was like I'm getting off this do you

53:13

remember what I said I I think I we were

53:16

bringing that up and I was like if

53:17

you're formatting a tweet I'm not

53:19

reading it I don't know I don't you're

53:22

too much into this what's that Meme

53:24

where it's like I'm not reading all that

53:25

bro I'm

53:27

congratulations sorry congrats though

53:29

we're sorry that

53:30

happened 90 seconds I want 90 seconds

53:33

you want 90 seconds I want the that

53:35

actually is a good idea I want 90

53:37

seconds I don't want to add a lot to it

53:39

I think I think would you

53:42

ever upload a two-minute YouTube video

53:45

along uh today no highly unlikely but

53:50

there have been shorts where you're like

53:52

I wish there's two more two more

53:54

sentences I got in here that feel

53:56

important so I agree with all of your

53:58

logic I just think that it's a slippery

54:00

slope because I don't disagree second

54:03

you hit 90 seconds you're going to be

54:04

like if I had 10 more because that's

54:06

what Tik Tok did they were originally

54:07

like 30 a minute three minutes yeah 10

54:11

minutes 10 could hour could you argue

54:15

the YouTube slope isn't as slippery

54:17

though because they already have the

54:19

long version so it just it kind of gets

54:21

just blurry I just think you need to

54:23

Define it YouTube has defined it so

54:25

clearly it's ver 60 seconds or less boom

54:28

you know if it's vertical 60 seconds or

54:30

less it's a short and when you get in

54:32

that short feed that's all you're going

54:33

to see I think 90 seconds wouldn't

54:36

interrupt the

54:37

feed there's Ellis is giving me a thumbs

54:39

up off camera I don't know if anyone can

54:42

see I agree with I want 90 seconds I

54:44

think 90 seconds is a good let hear yeah

54:47

yeah you get to the you say all right

54:49

Neil goes I think Andrew's on to

54:51

something here all right NE Tyson Neil

54:53

Mohan CEO of YouTube he watches his

54:55

podcast he's like all right I think

54:56

that's a good idea 90 seconds is still

54:58

cool for the short feed so now he does

54:59

it so now the shorts feed is anything up

55:02

to 90 seconds is viable for the shorts

55:06

feed and everything over again must be

55:08

regular YouTube video yep what is

55:10

stopping another person from saying Neil

55:13

is cuz he listens to the podcast and he

55:15

did 90 seconds minutes is totally viable

55:17

look at Tik Tok people watch minute Tik

55:19

toks all the time I just need 30 more

55:22

seconds you know I brought this up

55:23

because I wanted you guys to help me

55:25

with my explanation that I don't have I

55:27

hate that I agree with both of you I

55:29

agree with Andrew cuz I every time I

55:31

make a short I'm like I literally only

55:33

need three more seconds but but I do

55:37

think it's sort of like that the work

55:39

expands to the time allotted thing it's

55:42

the same thing that as soon as something

55:44

gets normalized they're like if I just

55:45

had a little more it will always be that

55:48

way I agree 140 characters I bet if you

55:52

look at your average character length

55:54

per tweet the second that limit went to

55:56

280 your average went over 140 I bet

56:00

yeah and I bet the second it goes up

56:01

again we all just keep going if the C

56:03

more button went down to 500 we probably

56:05

start having some 200 tweeting eating

56:07

breakfast anymore okay they're they're

56:10

they're like writing and now that's what

56:12

that's the future Elon wants this is the

56:15

future Elon he wants people to blog on

56:17

Twitter which I don't want to see I will

56:19

say Tesla does their uh their like uh

56:22

updates for software updates they'll do

56:24

like a whole post on Twitter and it's

56:26

literally like text inline images like

56:28

formatted text and everything it's like

56:30

a whole blog post and it looks great

56:33

it's like a great use of like all the

56:35

tools you have available on Twitter and

56:37

of course it's Tesla doing it because

56:38

obviously they're connected but like but

56:39

then you all the people yeah I see those

56:42

posts and I'm like wow that's great and

56:43

then I see all the other versions of

56:45

people doing way too long tweets and I'm

56:47

like oh this is bad there's too many of

56:49

these maybe only verified businesses can

56:52

do it and then nobody else oh you're

56:54

saying you should give people like real

56:56

reasons to be

56:57

verified if you have the gold badge you

57:00

can do that and if you don't you can't

57:03

dang elitist I don't mind that I'm okay

57:06

with

57:07

that yeah I'm just I feel like I'm

57:11

writing the short script like a caveman

57:14

to try and get everything I want to say

57:15

into it yeah sucks this is why it should

57:17

be banned in America that's why we're

57:21

baned Tik Tok that's because short for

57:24

Content sucks reals is also 60 or less

57:28

right yeah yeah is it actually it might

57:30

be longer I think real is 60 can

57:33

I I'm still confused about the pause

57:35

button real can be up to 90 you can tap

57:37

90 Instagram I always Instagram I've

57:41

never found any issues with you

57:42

especially the iPad app but other it's

57:45

true it is you do everything right I

57:47

feel like it's got to be I scroll reals

57:49

a lot I would say videos on Instagram

57:51

are confusing though because there's

57:54

there are longer videos the player is

57:56

inconsistent as ratios are

57:59

inconsistent and they got rid of that

58:00

there's there's music with photos now

58:02

you can just scroll through pictures

58:03

with music TI Tok does that no Tik Tok

58:05

does that also really annoy as a person

58:08

who just wants to watch videos like all

58:10

of those different formats in one place

58:12

is confusing it is confusing it's kind

58:14

of sidetracked how often do you guys use

58:15

reals versus Tik Tok actually I'm an old

58:19

man I'm way more in reals I like reals a

58:22

lot because I can send it to my friends

58:24

so much easier than having to

58:26

like Tik Tok I I watch and I like and I

58:28

just show Claire yeah reals I just send

58:32

to Ellis and Tim every time I think

58:34

that's the Instagram Advantage is like

58:36

we have the social graph so people are

58:38

going to make stuff to share and they're

58:39

going to want to put it here because

58:41

that's where their friends are and so

58:42

exactly what you're talking about is

58:43

true like if you're going to share stuff

58:45

you're going to share it through the

58:46

built-in tools so I watch Instagram

58:48

reals more often because I share them

58:49

more often there does Tik Tok have send

58:51

to friends sharing tools I mean you can

58:53

send a link to a Tik Tok obviously you

58:55

can also send it to Tik Tok account if

58:57

they have one you're less likely to find

58:58

their Tik like friends with any of my

59:00

friends on Tik Tok so that's so I'm

59:03

friends with my friends Instagram send

59:05

them can you be friends with people on

59:06

Tik Tok I believe so follow people we

59:08

sound so old right now no there's

59:11

friends on Tik there's friends on Tik

59:12

Tok yeah I'm friends with you both wait

59:15

follow me or friends with me I'm pretty

59:17

sure friends I think it's the same thing

59:19

I think it's the same thing the same

59:21

thing so I would have to follow not

59:23

Instagram reals algorithm is getting

59:25

fantastic it served me a video with like

59:27

eight plays that was just disc golf with

59:30

Creed music and I was like holy that's

59:33

incred you on all right this is what

59:36

okay you asked if I use Tik Tok or reals

59:38

more don't have Tik Tok on reals I go on

59:43

Instagram to look at an image that

59:44

hopefully doesn't have music playing at

59:46

the same time and then I black out and

59:49

then I look to the right and it's dark

59:52

outside and I think what just happened

59:56

and then I realize I've just watched

59:57

like an hour of reals and I'm like I

59:59

gained nothing from that please that's

60:02

all of the shorts call your Congress

60:04

person don't just ban Tik Tok let's not

60:07

stop there ban every short form video

60:10

content on the internet we need to buy

60:12

Tik Tok and make it a long form app do

60:14

we have 12 billion you did 10 minutes on

60:16

it

60:17

already you need to follow more

60:19

wholesome educational shorts creators

60:21

that's what you need do they have to be

60:23

educ you need you need to get rid of

60:25

your phone and and hot spot to an eer

60:28

all day like I do the only way to stay

60:31

off social media I don't know how I

60:32

would follow Luke Foods otherwise he's

60:34

not he's not a long form gu did you see

60:37

he threw out a pitch for the white socks

60:40

no I big I'm doing the e-reader thing I

60:44

haven't seen anything we super speaking

60:47

of music did you

60:50

see did you hear

60:56

how is the buzzer KN 30 times

60:58

you you know what function I still can

61:01

do on my e-reader Hots spotted to my

61:04

phone that I use as a phone what that

61:06

listen to music with Bluetooth

61:07

headphones oh that's crazy on Spotify

61:10

speaking of it Con the Bluetooth

61:13

headphones connect to your e-reader

61:14

that's Hots spotted to your phone yes so

61:17

is it pulling the music from the cloud

61:19

from your phone no it's pulling it from

61:21

Spotify but through the data from

61:23

through the data from your phone yeah

61:24

that's correct cool

61:27

Bing simple as that easy as one two we

61:31

have a quick Round Up of headphones

61:32

that's that's what we're trying to get

61:33

to sorry for the Segways being horrible

61:35

okay let's start with the nothing ear a

61:37

okay nothing ear a are out there's some

61:39

new branding some new colors and the

61:41

nothing ear has gotten refreshed new

61:43

prices ear a is 99 bucks that's this one

61:46

the yellow one and this and then nothing

61:48

oh these are both the ear a correct and

61:49

so you have the nothing ear there's the

61:51

big one and those are $149 yeah uh quick

61:55

summary quick thoughts I have only

61:56

listened to the E A and I was brief but

61:58

they sounded fine I like them I I like

62:01

these better I use the ear one and the

62:02

ear two I like these better because this

62:04

is a more pocketable size yeah wait did

62:06

you notice this the white ear a they put

62:09

white on the stock of them and it looks

62:12

so much better than oh yeah black on the

62:15

St which the yellow one should be yellow

62:17

on the stock because now this proves

62:20

that they can do it so the yellow once

62:21

it's in your ear you can't see any

62:23

yellow and this is a cool yellow yeah I

62:24

like the earray a lot honestly I

62:27

probably would recommend them over the

62:29

extra 50 bucks for that um I have this

62:32

charging which care as much the battery

62:34

life's really good on these I've had

62:36

really good battery life on them I think

62:38

I have this weird relationship with the

62:39

nothing earbuds where I love them and

62:42

don't really like them at the same time

62:44

so what do you love and what do you not

62:45

like about them I mean my two favorite

62:47

things and one of this is super

62:49

situational is they fit perfectly in my

62:51

ears which I think is the most important

62:53

thing with any earbuds which sometimes

62:54

makes it really hard to shop for your

62:55

butts they also have touch controls

62:57

where you cannot accidentally press them

63:00

when you're readjusting in your ears at

63:01

all so the touch controls are all on the

63:03

stock just like the old nothing buds

63:05

like they've always been um the downside

63:08

of the touch control is to turn it into

63:09

transparency mode it still

63:11

goes and that is the worst noise in the

63:14

world yeah it does that weird sound but

63:15

I really hate when you're like trying to

63:17

tap your earbud back in because it feels

63:19

like it's loose and then you pause a

63:20

song or play a song or skip a song um so

63:23

I like that a lot I think they sound

63:24

good I'm sure they don't anywhere near

63:26

is more expensive earbuds um the battery

63:29

life is great I like this new case it's

63:31

smaller the case is shaped like a pill

63:33

box just so you know that's what the

63:35

design inspiration was is what they oh

63:36

yeah yeah and the footprint overall

63:39

doesn't look that much different than

63:40

the other case but it's one of those

63:42

things where like the shape of it is way

63:44

better but like it's wider but it fits

63:47

in your pocket way better kind of like

63:49

air pods fit really nice in your pocket

63:51

yeah um what I don't like about them

63:55

when a see is working it is fantastic

63:59

like I have been mowing the lawn and

64:02

I've been like for like 10 minutes and

64:04

then be like did I turn the blades on I

64:06

can't hear any like I can't hear it holy

64:09

cow did I remember to turn the blades on

64:10

am I even cutting grass right now wow

64:13

and then I like hit a stick or something

64:15

loud outside happens and it feels like

64:17

it just resets all the noise cancelling

64:19

and then I can hear

64:21

everything and if it's a really really

64:25

high pitched I don't know exactly what

64:27

it is but when I'm weed whacking if the

64:29

strings hit the fence it does this like

64:33

peaking

64:34

like screeching noise like in your ear

64:37

like it's trying to counteract I don't

64:39

know exactly I used to have those with

64:40

the Oppo buds that I used to use the the

64:43

OnePlus buds when they would like

64:45

slightly slip out of my ear when I was

64:47

running because they would get sweaty

64:49

and when i' push them back in my ear

64:50

there'd be a screeching sound that would

64:52

happen it's it's really strange and I

64:55

mean there's there's no way that OnePlus

64:57

and nothing use the same chip suppliers

65:00

right maybe like you know use the same

65:01

Qualcomm earbud chips with the same us

65:04

noise cancelling no there's no way

65:06

there's no reason they would ever have

65:08

the same stuff um yeah the transparency

65:11

Mode's not that good in fact sometimes

65:13

it's really hard to tell whether

65:14

transparency Mode's on or noise

65:16

cancelling is on because when it noise

65:19

cancelling is not working well just kind

65:21

of sounds like I can hear everything

65:22

interesting the only time I can kind of

65:24

tell transparency mode is like

65:26

if I'm moving enough where there's some

65:27

wind getting in there like it's just

65:29

super loud wind and annoying and feels

65:31

like I don't have a good seal but yeah

65:33

so that's why I like really like these

65:35

and and knowing that the noise

65:37

cancelling can be that good but that it

65:38

never actually stays that good is really

65:41

frustrating yeah they look so nice

65:43

though I'm a big sucker for how good

65:44

they look I like the yellow that's nice

65:46

so those are replacing the nothing ear

65:48

stick are they replacing the ear stick

65:50

the ear stick are gone now okay because

65:52

I I said that on Twitter and someone

65:53

said they weren't and then I said oh I

65:56

missed that and then they were like well

65:57

there's hints that it's not going away

65:59

so they told me it's replacing the ear

66:01

stick they told you it's replacing the

66:02

ear told me in person that is replacing

66:04

the ear stick okay I don't like I didn't

66:07

like the ear stick but I know there are

66:08

people who don't like the silicone tips

66:10

so they said when the ear stick stock

66:12

runs out which it looks like on their

66:13

website they are no longer their website

66:15

says out of stock yeah they're no longer

66:16

selling them so yeah nothing tell us if

66:20

we're wrong and then we had before the

66:22

ear 2 which are now just called the ear

66:25

um so I guess they're just kind of doing

66:27

the like it's the new one bad name kind

66:29

of vibe you know new year new me new

66:31

year new me so technically it's the year

66:33

three sort of kind of yeah they didn't

66:36

change a lot they said the sound

66:37

signature is better and they changed the

66:40

what the sound signature I don't know

66:42

what the hell does that I don't know

66:43

Ellis I'm not an audio You Should Know

66:44

audio boy it's how they sign

66:49

things anyway uh they have ceramic

66:52

drivers that used to be made of like

66:55

plastic material I guess or something

66:57

else um they said that that should

66:59

increase the sound quality by a decent

67:00

amount and then they also have uh like a

67:04

bunch of controls in the phone where you

67:07

can like tune it a little bit more and

67:09

you can only do that with the ear the

67:10

ear and not the ear yeah there's very

67:12

basic controls in the A and I think it's

67:14

way more in the the regulars and then

67:17

they have uh LDH LD lhdc 5.0 support

67:20

whereas the ear the ear a do not but

67:24

yeah I don't know I for me like the

67:26

wireless charging is prettyy important

67:28

because I have a lot of wireless

67:29

chargers sitting around and I'd like

67:31

that I can just when I get home just

67:33

plop my earbuds on wireless chargers and

67:34

I literally never think about charging

67:36

them yeah that's a big thing for me cuz

67:39

like plugging things in manually is

67:40

frustrating to do every single day I

67:42

sound like a I'm really lazy but it's

67:45

just what I'm with you on that with my

67:48

phone I guess I just I'm not like a

67:49

power user earbud user so that doesn't

67:51

make a huge deal I would say the these

67:52

have better low end in the base and like

67:55

of fullness is a little bit better but I

67:57

still like how those sound like the

68:00

sounds yeah I would I think they look

68:02

better I think the case is cooler I

68:04

think almost everything about them is

68:06

better but the sound quality is not

68:08

quite as good and they don't have um

68:10

wireless charging so my thing with

68:12

earbuds like this is that I'm never

68:13

using them for sound quality so it's

68:16

like I just want the better case I want

68:18

the better features I don't care if I

68:19

want sound quality I have or I would get

68:21

better headphones you know yeah so sick

68:25

I humbly disagree but that's just that's

68:28

just because I think the airpods Pro 2

68:32

are like legitimately the Maxes no the

68:35

buds like are some of the best sounding

68:36

headphones you can buy oh I disagree

68:38

they sound terrible you're just

68:40

wrong you're wrong you're wrong

68:42

scientifically you're wrong

68:45

subjectively you're wrong those are like

68:48

those they just are better than

68:50

everything else okay they're way more

68:52

than okay we got some headphones to get

68:54

through uh cuz a we got more okay so we

68:58

got these recently which are the Bose

69:01

like clipon earbuds these are very weird

69:04

looking yeah I kind of love these yeah

69:06

they're kind of fire in the weirdest way

69:08

so I'm going to have to take my

69:09

headphones off to show you guys but I'll

69:11

try to like say it out loud um basically

69:14

you take them off they

69:16

clip

69:18

like did any of you guys have fake

69:20

earrings magnetic

69:22

earrings nobody get they used to make

69:25

like a magnetic earring that you could

69:26

put on without actually getting your ear

69:28

pierced so these are like reminds me two

69:30

buds that magnetically have a clip

69:32

around the back of your ear and then sit

69:37

right above your earlobe yeah so it kind

69:39

of looks somewhere between like earbuds

69:42

in your ear and like earrings maybe

69:45

earrings yeah I don't know they're like

69:48

hugs around your ear so there's a part

69:50

inside but it also holds on to the back

69:53

side of your ear I honestly think they

69:54

sound pretty darn good they are

69:57

everything the Sony link buds ever

69:59

wanted to be pretty much so they're they

70:02

basically feel like openend open open

70:04

back headphones I literally can't hear

70:06

you right now but when you % volume but

70:09

when you but when you pause it pause it

70:13

pause it so when you pause it you can

70:16

hear me perfectly because it's

70:17

transparent it's like not covering your

70:20

ears at least that what' you

70:23

say you said at least for me oh once you

70:26

pause it it's basically like having a

70:27

full transparency mode like fully like

70:29

you can hear everything around you and

70:31

if you play your music low enough it's

70:32

basically like a transparency mode and

70:33

you can hear everything practical

70:35

transparency mode I mean which the link

70:37

buds were because it was essentially a

70:40

like a dut hole that would go in your

70:42

ear and the music would play around the

70:43

outside but you still had a physical

70:45

hole for exterior sound to come into

70:48

your ear this to me is more comfortable

70:50

and sounds better and works better it's

70:52

really really good I'm impressed they

70:54

kind of start to hurt my ears a little

70:57

bit after a little bit of time um just

70:59

because they're like literally clamping

71:00

to your earlobes but I think people will

71:02

probably have like mixed results on that

71:04

um they're also

71:07

$300 damn so they sound really good but

71:10

you have to be a very specific type of

71:13

customer to want these I would say

71:17

bikers I would sayn people who yeah

71:20

maybe yeah running I tried running with

71:22

these I did not like it really yeah

71:23

because it it makes my ear LS bounce oh

71:26

need stronger

71:28

ears yeah my cartilage will have a word

71:30

with you commuting walking outside just

71:33

being out when you need transparency

71:34

mode these are these are super good I

71:36

think biking would be a good definitely

71:38

a good one yeah all right other stuff we

71:41

got we got the fairphone uh it's called

71:44

the fair buds because we had the fair

71:45

buds XL last year that were the overear

71:48

headphones and then this year we have

71:51

regular FRS ginormous case um Prett

71:55

pretty big earbuds this is right in line

71:57

with the ferone yeah pretty big earbuds

71:59

that like stick out of your ear I think

72:01

that's the wrong ear a lot Oh no you're

72:04

right or no it was oh it is right it

72:06

says

72:07

right yeah oh the shape of sorry the

72:10

shape of that just feels like theong

72:11

those stick out a lot yeah it's quite a

72:13

lot they all those repace parts fine um

72:17

the main things that you can replace in

72:19

the fair buds is like all the batteries

72:22

so you can replace the battery in the

72:23

case you can replace the battery and the

72:25

individual buds um they sound fine I it

72:29

said in their marketing it was like oh

72:31

for when your earbud dies and you can

72:34

replace the battery but I've never had

72:37

an earbud die in my life same I have on

72:41

pretty much the battery or the circuitry

72:44

maybe it's the C oh so that's a good

72:45

point I don't know what it was but I've

72:47

had multiple nothing earbuds which is

72:50

also why I find it hard to recommend

72:51

them in the past where just I open the

72:54

case after not using them for a bit and

72:55

one earbud won't charge I've had that

72:58

happen at least three times I'm I've got

73:00

I feel like that's probably not the

73:02

battery it could be the circuitry of

73:04

just connecting it and then never

73:05

charging it but to me it might as well

73:07

be dead because I can't use it anymore

73:09

cuz those one PL buds that I used to use

73:11

stopped working on my runs because I got

73:13

like I would sweat a lot and uh I feel

73:17

like just replacing the battery is not

73:18

going to fix that that's why this makes

73:21

Fair it's a strange it's like a strange

73:24

proposition because that's not like the

73:26

battery dying in a earbud or a case is

73:28

not something that happens to me very

73:30

often It's usually the circuitry gets

73:32

messed up so I don't know um but these

73:37

are €149 which is about

73:40

$162 a little bit expensive uh but they

73:44

use a lot of sustainable materials and

73:46

that kind of stuff and if you like

73:47

tinkering you can technically take them

73:49

like completely apart if you want to so

73:53

there's definitely an interesting

73:53

conversation to be had about these as

73:55

far as like repairable versus super

73:57

durable yeah I mean there's always been

74:00

this Conspiracy Theory with wireless

74:01

earbuds when uh everyone switched to

74:04

wireless earbuds that the whole point

74:05

was that you were always going to lose

74:06

one and that you were just going to have

74:09

to buy a whole new thing of them um or

74:12

like apple will sell you a single airpod

74:15

but it costs like like $60 or something

74:18

it's like quite expensive um so I don't

74:22

know I I've never lost like a single

74:24

earbud but I know that that does happen

74:25

to people fair enough last one something

74:28

just came out you actually probably know

74:30

more about these than I do there's not a

74:32

lot new yeah yeah these are the Beats

74:34

Solo 4 they're on ear headphones which

74:39

traditionally I hate because they

74:41

generally hurt my ears yeah some people

74:44

have said a hybrid is the best of both

74:48

worlds this is the type that's truly the

74:50

worst of Both Worlds to me yeah there's

74:53

no active noise cancellation

74:56

um but they are USBC now or they didn't

74:59

used to be be USBC they were micro which

75:01

is insane they were micro I just oh wow

75:04

I think so right the beat solo 3 I don't

75:07

know I can look it up I think they were

75:08

micro um they can now play wired audio

75:12

even when they're dead which headphones

75:14

always used to be able to play and then

75:16

for some reason the beat solo 3 couldn't

75:18

do like when they were dead they

75:19

couldn't play just over the uh audio

75:22

jack which is very weird now they can

75:25

they have apple find my and Android find

75:28

my device support because the Beats

75:30

brand is sort of Apple's like we're also

75:33

going to sell things to Android users

75:36

brand they've always done that like it

75:38

has the like inst instant pair thing

75:41

when you like open them up in front of

75:42

an Android phone like Fast pair it does

75:44

all that stuff yeah um yeah they're

75:47

already starting to hurt my ears so

75:49

that's great nice nice they're very

75:50

they're like pretty compact for

75:53

headphones as a as opposed to earbuds

75:57

but yeah they're 200 bucks I think the

75:59

case design is really annoying it's kind

76:01

of a pain to take them out of and put

76:04

them back in the case I agree um you can

76:07

jam a cable in there and yes they are

76:09

USBC and yes the last ones were micro

76:11

USB and cannot believe they just updated

76:14

that I haven't tested them long enough

76:15

to figure this out but uh the package

76:18

said 50 hour battery life on it and then

76:20

the piece of paper inside said 40 hour

76:23

battery life on it so that's something

76:26

to consider I guess um but yeah they

76:30

they have you know find my support's

76:32

great they're beats man yeah do you guys

76:34

think the Beats brand actually still has

76:36

any poll

76:37

whatsoever I think they probably still

76:39

sell a ton oh yeah I think they still

76:42

they just have such a like in store

76:45

presence a brand name like when you can

76:46

go and Best Buy yeah or whatever you're

76:49

just gonna go get some 12y olds some

76:52

headphones like what do they want I

76:54

probably airpods or beats that's kind of

76:57

the headphones which Apple owns both of

76:59

yep I was going to say I think airpods

77:01

took the took the stand people want

77:03

airpods I yeah I but I still think Beats

77:07

sell plenty if you want over your

77:09

headphones the only options for airpods

77:10

are

77:12

$550 so you know there's that are they

77:15

replacing those this year or next year I

77:17

hope soon I hope like two years ago they

77:19

replace them with an on button and USBC

77:22

please and also maybe lighter

77:25

working yeah they break so easily anyway

77:30

that was our headphone Roundup if you

77:31

think we missed any significant ear buds

77:34

that came out recently let us know I

77:35

don't think people who work on Beats

77:37

have even met people who work for Apple

77:39

probably not no they work for Apple but

77:43

yeah technically yeah that's the most it

77:45

was the most like Acquired and then

77:47

don't talk anymore acquisition I've ever

77:49

seen they just had to like email them be

77:51

like can we have fine my on this and

77:54

that's all all right yeah yeah I was

77:56

going to say they use apple silicon so I

77:58

don't see why they would be that I don't

78:01

know I don't know but then they don't do

78:04

any of

78:05

the the maybe because they're protecting

78:07

airpods they actually if you use these

78:09

with an iPhone there is spatial audio

78:12

Yeah I was goingon to say yeah and I

78:13

think they're so it is kind of the same

78:15

if you work for Beats uh send us an

78:18

email podcast MKBHD

78:25

table Ellis is just trying to get an

78:27

email from Dr Dre have you ever even

78:28

seen Apple par Jimmy if you're

78:32

watching yeah I don't actually want to

78:34

talk to Jimmy iven you're you're fine

78:36

you can stay Jimmy or joh Johnny Jimmy

78:39

Jimmy Jimmy iven Jimmy iven the not

78:41

Johnny with Dr yeah and the co-founder

78:44

of inner scope records that's more

78:45

important that's the cool actually no I

78:47

take that back chimy I'd love to

78:50

talk I bet you're super cool you have a

78:53

Jasper John's PT in your office I know

78:56

that about you it's it's beautiful let

78:57

me come see it in person well all right

79:00

trivia speaking

79:05

of just you have to send it now I think

79:07

that's it yeah we're in

79:09

already all right trivia so quick update

79:13

on the score after last last week's uh

79:17

chaos of Marquez getting the point not

79:20

getting the point what by the way come

79:21

on man as someone who was not here I

79:23

thought those were both Fant fantastic

79:25

questions come on man Ellis killed it

79:27

and you guys just like I got them both

79:30

right well yeah David you didn't is

79:32

prohibited from being a tech journalist

79:34

literally not allowed anyway Marquez has

79:37

seven Andrew with seven David with seven

79:43

first

79:44

question we were talking about

79:47

birds the scientific name oh gosh s

79:50

Sonata Chris

79:52

Tata what is the common name of that

79:55

bird what the heck is a

79:58

[Laughter]

80:01

kist come on this one's easy I don't

80:05

know how it's easy this one's easy SOS

80:07

Sonata crada Chada wait

80:11

sayano sayano yeah oh also I don't know

80:16

if this is how you're pronouncing it so

80:18

bird people are going to yell at me for

80:19

sure I'm trying my best this is why I

80:22

people are going to be like squack

80:26

David and I definitely just have the

80:27

exact same thought what is that David I

80:32

wrote it in curs no it says it says yes

80:36

I will not accept okay fine I'll accept

80:38

it okay thank you I get what you were

80:39

trying to do but be ni you can see it

80:41

it's the big b right there David drew a

80:43

beautiful picture of mountains on his

80:46

whiteboard so what did you guys all say

80:49

3 two one blue J correct I originally

80:53

wrote pigeons what did

80:56

I I was like pigeon would be the

80:58

funniest answer well that's cuz Adam

81:00

kept saying it was obvious well that's

81:01

why I thought it wasn't pigeon because

81:03

there's something we were missing in it

81:05

that one's bicus trus berus

81:10

trash do you know what I don't get

81:11

though people hate pigeons and love

81:13

morning doves they're the same thing

81:15

people like pigeons morning doves you

81:18

guys do the dove call I

81:23

cannot that's

81:25

to that's the pigeon

81:30

call that's a different bird if you are

81:32

still listening to this thank you wow we

81:36

we love you all all right next

81:39

question if you got this deep in the

81:42

podcast

81:44

comment comment what baros V I want I

81:48

want two comments somebody has to write

81:50

pigeon and someone has to write Morning

81:51

Dove and then like the one the bird like

81:54

more be the two top comments of our

81:57

episode we can fight for it pigeon team

82:00

pigeon or team morning team pigeon why

82:02

they call morning

82:04

doves because you never see them at

82:06

night uh next question uh I received a

82:09

challenge from our three hosts to come

82:10

up with a trivia question involving both

82:12

Microsoft and birds so in 2010 during

82:17

the leadup to the release of Windows

82:18

Phone 7 Microsoft landed in hot water

82:21

for including a bird themed app in their

82:24

advertising that according to its

82:26

developer had not yet been ported to

82:28

Windows Phone what app was

82:32

it I found that really funny the

82:36

Microsoft's like yeah we got it and they

82:37

were like why would we make a Windows

82:39

Phone app VPN by

82:42

[Music]

82:43

Google drop

82:46

C I'm going to be so mad when I get

82:48

Google Assistant

82:50

snapshot Lon oh that's a bird loon

82:54

that's a bird Google Now on call

82:57

jooy what do we got

83:02

oh mark on a phone I said tweet

83:06

deck I said Twitter I assume that was

83:09

wrong David what did you say say the

83:12

answer

83:13

first David what did you no the audio

83:15

listeners need veracity okay I also said

83:18

Twitter that is wrong the correct answer

83:20

is Angry Birds oh I'm so mad I didn't

83:23

think kind of remember that now that you

83:26

say that that's angry roio

83:29

yeah wait trivia people can I get a

83:32

point if I remind you of something you

83:33

forgot no I didn't forget it's coming up

83:35

next maybe hit me did you hit me

83:40

there I didn't forget there's a bonus

83:42

trivia question well there was one that

83:44

was before the the Angry Birds one what

83:47

is the X and Xbox stand for yeah oh so

83:52

what a silly episode episode pigeon

83:56

Transit

83:58

shoelace

84:01

androidify field

84:03

trip Google translator

84:06

toolkit Google bulletin I love that this

84:09

is a bit Google

84:11

Clips Follow Your

84:14

World message center okay what do we

84:17

have Santa

84:18

Tracker I was gonna write that okay I

84:20

erased what you guys wrote so I hope I'm

84:23

I hope we're all wrong

84:24

wait wait hold on did you say what yours

84:26

is I said combo like the pretzels with

84:29

the pizza in the middle no like combo

84:32

because it's like games and media I

84:33

don't know oh oh like a

84:36

cross that's good but no yeah I wrote

84:39

extreme David extra e please be wrong

84:43

please be wrong than God okay what is it

84:46

wow ex the correct answer is the X was a

84:49

reference to direct X which is a

84:52

collection of programing interfaces oh

84:55

my God for handling tasks related to

84:57

multimedia especially game

85:00

programing could come up with that do

85:02

you remember how many programs you used

85:04

to have to like download it be like

85:05

direct DirectX you don't have direct X2

85:09

on your on your game yeah the latest

85:11

version you say that but as someone who

85:14

has a Windows computer at home I

85:16

exclusively use to play 20-year-old

85:18

computer games yeah direct X yeah the

85:20

fact that direct X is backwards

85:21

compatible all the way H pretty cool I

85:25

agree I just think selling something to

85:27

Consumers and being like directex 12

85:32

people are Xbox name is Iconic so it

85:34

works yeah but nobody knows that it

85:36

stands for direct there's some other

85:38

things like that right direct Xbox do

85:40

you think direct X do you think X like

85:43

current X is because of direct X I I

85:46

like that I call it X and nobody knows

85:48

what I'm talking Twitter you mean

85:49

Twitter yeah direct X it was a bad joke

85:53

but seeing nobody understand X was very

85:56

fun what's the newest

85:57

Xbox series X Series S and series X does

86:00

it run Vulcan or does it run oh that

86:04

would be the series V that would be the

86:06

v-bucks the v-bucks the vbucks vbucks

86:09

don't vbucks vuck Vulcan bucks Vulcan

86:13

bucks Marquez take us out we're off the

86:15

rails so if you've gotten this deep in

86:17

the podcast comment about pigeon or

86:19

morning dove the rails pigeon or

86:21

morning um thanks for watching this week

86:24

thanks for listening this week it's

86:27

supposed to be warm it's warm in here

86:29

hot here hot kind I'm wearing a sweater

86:31

too um make sure you subscribe if you

86:34

haven't already wait David no you're not

86:36

super hot you just were like I'm wearing

86:38

it's got like heat lining on the kind

86:40

does have like sweater property I get

86:42

really hot every time I wear it it just

86:43

look like a shirt so I just saw you say

86:44

I'm wearing a sweater too and I was just

86:46

like you're on 4K C it's a secret it's a

86:49

secret sweater it's like secret santa

86:52

anyway get subscribed hit the like

86:53

button leave comment we'll talk to you

86:55

guys in the next one peace

86:58

bye see

87:01

you I didn't know we were all saying bye

87:04

well you don't have to waveform was

87:06

produced by Adam elen and Ellis roen

87:08

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87:09

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87:12

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87:28

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87:31

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87:34

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