"Her Hypocrisies Are ASTOUNDING" Winston Marshall On Taking On Nancy Pelosi

I don't know about that we can't have

him laughing as he reads his own

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intro try and control yourself Wiston

you're a cultural hero for today

anyway W Marshall is a cancel culture

Pioneer he was a member of the British

rock group Mumford and Sons owned to be

forced out and publicly shamed for

supporting a book which criticized the

hardle protest movement antifa who's

recently invited to debate the former US

House speaker Nancy Pelosi at the Oxford

Union on the subject of populism and

millions have now seen what happened

next what do the Republicans say fake

news so they're diminishing that in the

eyes of these poor souls who are looking

for some answers we've given them to

them but they're blocked by some of

their views on guns and they have the 3

G's guns gays God a snake oil sells them

a bill of goods and then takes office

and the only legislation put forth is a

bill that gives a tax bill that gives

83% of the benefits to the top 1%

populism has become a word used

synonymously we've racist we've heard

ethnonationalist we've bigot we've

hillbilly redneck with' deplorables and

I'm sure congresswoman Pelos will agree

that the entire month of June 2020 when

the federal courthouse in Portland

Oregon was under siege and under

Insurrection by radical progressives

those two were dark days for

America not there is no equivalence this

you may be thinking now that Trump is a

populist you are right he didn't accept

the 2020 elections and he should

have so should Hillary in 2016 so should

Brussels and so should Westminster in

2016 and so too should Congresswoman

Pelosi instead of saying the 2016

election was quote hijacked what quote

hijacked it

was that we don't accept the

result well Winston joins me now Winston

first of all Kudos it was fantastic to

watch you in action there um I do see a

life in politics possibly beckoning can

we get that on the table off the start

uh I as far as I can see if you want to

get anything done don't work in politics

that's true so uh at the moment I I'm a

very patriotic person I love my country

but I feel the best way to serve Britain

is to build things build businesses

build uh uh on you know uh social

entrepr uh uh uh Enterprises and and

those kind of things that's I I think is

time is best spent now what I'm curious

about because I've done the oxy it's

quite an intimidating place to go

particularly if you're up against one of

America's most senior and experienced

politicians Nancy Pelosi did you have

any quals about accepting the debate

which was about whether populism is a

threat to democracy it's also quite

intimidating how on your show appears

okay um but you know I did actually

wasn't going to do the thing I had uh

plans to be elsewhere didn't want to and

then a bunch of friends of mine were

like no I think you should do this and

and then about a week before I learned

that Pelosi was my opposition so that

changed what I was going to say quite a

lot I actually care about the topic

quite a lot and and we should talk about

what she said in in the interview

because her hypocrisies are astounding

well that was what you did so

brilliantly was you exposed the double

standard from the left in America

towards a lot of these issues like the

January 6th Insurrection riots whatever

people want to call them and the fact

that they can't see any of that kind of

behavior on their side like the refusal

to accept the results of elections I

remember them all howling when Hillary

lost it's been stolen it was rigged blah

blah blah all the same stuff they don't

apply the same rules yeah to their side

that they do to the conservative side

you're absolutely right in in that uh

interview oh sorry in in in my uh debate

with her she I bring up the Insurrection

that lasted in Portland Oregon now what

I didn't actually mention is that she

and you can look this up she ordered uh

Trump at that time was trying to send in

more police and I think the National

Guard to deal with the Insurrection in

Oregon she ordered against it so it's

one rule when it's radical progressives

leading the Insurrection and it's

another one when it comes to Jan 6 now

she's completely blinded by Jan 6 I read

one of Trump's tweets from Jan 6 when

she says be peaceful we're not like the

other side again that's not exact quote

but you you can look on his Twitter feed

what he actually said when I was doing

that she was looking at me she was going

why are you doing this I don't think

she's ever heard these arguments and uh

another thing from the from the speech

is throughout or maybe maybe two or

three times she looked at me you can't

see this in the camera she goes why are

you doing this sorry she goes who are

you who are you now I'm a nobody right

so fair enough well you're a popster

what she's actually saying is do you

know who I am yeah that and I was like

quite astounded by it now going into it

you mentioned what's it like going to

the ox Union I I was on adrenaline you

can hear from my speech I'm like bombing

through it very quickly I've never done

anything like that I didn't go to

university call control bombing I mean

you've done your research you were ready

for her you'd almost second guessed the

lines of attack that she would come out

with and you just exposed the double

standard and that's why it went viral

these clips and Miss Thing I want to

show another one this is about the

January 6th uh riots where you asked her

directly about

comparisons and I'm sure Congresswoman

Pelosi will agree that the entire month

of June 2020 when the federal courthouse

in Portland Oregon was under siege and

under Insurrection by radical

progressives those two were dark days

for

America there are not there is no

equivalence of this I played that again

just on that little bit because it was

her reaction which I found so striking a

refusal to accept any equivalence even

though people on the left in that

circumstance in Oregon had taken over a

public building and for all intents and

purpos were trying to thwart democracy

yeah at the end of that clip I ask her

do you condemn what happened in Portland

Oregon and she looked at me completely

blankly almost as if she didn't know

what I was because you were happy to

condemn both and that's what made it

that's what made it powerful is that you

were you weren't there of you wer there

saying I think January 6th was

defensible you were saying I think that

was wrong and so is this yeah and so is

refusal to accept the results of

elections it's wrong whichever side does

it exactly I don't think why is that so

hard to to to admit well she's a

politician what do you expect the

beginning the first clip you played was

from her speech and that's really worth

picking at in Her speech she used the

term ethnonationalist maybe five times

she like sprinkled in there this is like

a new word like deplorables now she she

thinks the whole Trump movement magger

conservatives she's saying that they're

E nationalists I would argue she is

practicing demagogy by saying that why

because she is playing to the Prejudice

of some Progressive Americans or Elite

Americans that half of the country are

racists that's demogra it goes It goes

back to Hillary talking about the basket

of deplorables and we see this again

again the language they use about Trump

supporters bearing in mind he got nearly

80 million votes second time 10 million

more than the first time yeah so she's

basically calling a large sway of the

country you know sort of

imbeciles fascists Nazis whatever they

language they want to use this is what I

have a problem with when they do this

they try and demonize a whole group of

tens of millions of Americans in One

Umbrella people people have had enough

of it I I add to a point CNN put out a

poll uh about a month ago showing how

showing how different groups in America

are polling for the upcoming

presidential election Trump's votes

amongst black Americans has gone 12% to

28% from Hispanic Americans it's now at

48 % why do you think that is well that

that's a good question maybe you have

insight into that but the point I want

to make is she wants to um say that

they're all ethn nationalists are we to

believe that all of those minorities in

America have suddenly seen the light and

are white nationalist it's a totally

absurd position it's an odd position

they get themselves into the left in

America where they there's a real kind

of elitist snobbery about the way they

go about combating Trump and I've known

trou a long time very well interviewed

him 40 50 times maybe and the best way

to combat him is not to play to his

strength which is to allow him to Martyr

himself and say look at these people

they think they're better than you I'm

here for the little guy it's a very

effective weapon for him which they

constantly they they've they've taken

him off the ballot in Maine and Colorado

they are making him more popular this

feeds the narrative that the

establishment is out to get Trump which

which makes him more popular if only

only these Democrats would just start

listening and respecting to ordinary

Americans it's so easy they've literally

had power for four years it's absurd to

me that they they they have such disdain

for working people we've had the same

thing with brexit here we've seen a lot

of populism debates around Europe we've

seen some very populous leaders coming

in in countries uh in Europe where's

where's the line for you between what I

would call Healthy populism and

unhealthy populism

that's a good question so um

populism technically speaking is the

politics of Ordinary People In

Contention with Elites

so that itself isn't necessarily by

definition unhealthy or healthy I would

argue that all political movements are

susceptible to political violence we

spoke earlier about the example of

radical progressives who the Democrats

well Biden said antifa was just an idea

they

The Establishment Elite in in America

supported the BLM movement

wholeheartedly and I know that's a

complicated issue but it's the extreme

end of that movement was also not

condemned at least so my point being

that all political movements are

susceptible to violence I think the

where not just populism but all

politics goes to far is when there's

lying when there's demagogy played but

again that's just that could be all any

type of politics don't you think yeah

and I think the best way to combat if

you want to combat it is not

to call everyone that is gravitating to

those people deplorable right the moment

you start to demean those people who are

gravitating to it you're fueling the

support of the populist leader because

he can turn around and see look at these

people they're just snobs they're

elitist they just want to walk around

and think they know what's best for the

country it doesn't involve people like

you yeah and then his popularity or her

popularity whoever it may be will gather

strength he won't be damaged by it yeah

you're absolutely right I I I'll tell

you a story about my own my own Journey

when in 2016 I used to I was living in

New York and I was surrounded by liberal

Elite types and when I I didn't like

Trump at the time and I I thought he was

going to lose I thought it was Hillary

was easy for her when Trump won everyone

around me was like oh my God America is

completely I was in New York the next

day it was like a Ghost Town people were

walking around in trauma they couldn't

believe that the most supposedly most

experienced politician in American

history had lost to the least experience

and if you remember on the night you had

Trump's camp in one hotel and Hillary's

in the other they only a mile apart in

this epicenter of this battle but it was

extraordinary the atmosphere wasn't it

extraordinary atmosphere and I remember

having quite a different reaction to my

friends and contemporaries it was that I

Tau America i' I've now visited 48

states at that time probably 4 45 States

and I lived in the South as well and I

was like America is not racism racist

sure I've seen racism here and there but

as a country I was like it's not racist

like these people say these people who

I'd played before for 10 years were not

deplorables so I then went on a journey

to to try and understand I did the same

because I was doing crime documentaries

and I've done America's Got Talent

around America and things like this and

when you spend a lot of time down in

rural parts of America rural Florida

rural Texas you know Alabama all these

places you get a get a sense of a really

different country in terms of attitudes

but they're not they can't be branded

together in a negative content you're

going to get bad people wherever you are

but I find I find I come across I think

more deplorable people in LA and New

York than I ever do in rural Texas well

this comes back to Madame Pelosi's

speech she described these people in Her

speech and you really have to watch this

CU it's startling that they are blinded

sorry no the word she used was blocked

from seeing sense and thinking

rationally and choosing the policy the

Democrats put before them by their quote

culture and by quote God their thoughts

on God are stopping let's play that to

begin this is her about the three G's uh

let's see what she

said what do the Republicans say fake

news so they're diminishing that in the

eyes of these poor souls who are looking

for some answers we've given them to

them but they're blocked by some of

their views on guns and they have the

3Gs guns gays

God you know poor souls like she's there

to save condescending yeah really

condescending another hypocrisy in that

clip is she starts with saying oh you

know they say fake news I'm sorry for 4

years every single day we hear the word

words disinformation misinformation

malformation the Democrats play exactly

the same game with different words it's

not hard for us all to see what all

these politicians either side of the

aisle are doing it's the same stuff you

you for some reasons that still baffle

me you had to leave M and Sons a great

band because of the backlash to you

having the audacity to support a book

which was exposing some of the bad

behavior of the farle which actually

needed exposing I mean I don't I'm not

sure would have happened today are you

do you think you would have faced the

same backlash or I feel the woke worm is

turning a bit that that kind of cancel

culture has peaked and people are now

beginning to think actually this is very

destructive yeah that's a really good

question and a lot of people asking this

are we past Peak woke and

my thinking is if Trump becomes

president again Trump uh wokeness or or

what we saw the Mania of sort of 2016 to

2020

might come back with aeng it they'll

change name it will come back under

different you know at that period we had

me we had BLM and and it was a kind of

Hysteria it was a Hyer it was like the

Salem wish trials it was like a you know

who's going to be next to be taken down

and destroyed and and so I think that

that it's that it's possible that that

stuff will come back as a reaction to

Trump if he wins the election that's my

that's my sense of it but I think the

reason he may win and I think he got a

very good chance is prec nicely because

the left have been incapable of dealing

with Trump they think the only way to

deal with him is to try and cancel him

suppress him stop him running literally

try and stop him running or if they

can't do that try and incarcerate him

for some money he may have paid off a

porn star with 18 years ago they forget

that most Americans are like really

you're doing that to an next president

of the United States it's almost like

they're admitting that they have no

chance of winning the vote yeah because

it's like well we can't win the vote so

we have to use have to try have to try

and destroy him another way rather than

destroy him at the ballot exactly but

this is exactly populism versus elitism

they're using all the power they have

all the institutions from intelligence

to the media all all of these kind of

the universities these institutions that

they have power and they're using it and

they're mobilizing it against him

because they're actually scared of the

people well the university stuff is I

mean it ironic you're at Oxford but the

the way these universities are behaving

in America now is actually quite

terrifying I mean they're being endorsed

students by professors in their

workplace to basically suppress any

alternative thought or opinion I mean

it's the war on Free Speech in on

American campuses is scary because the

one place you should be exposed to all

speech and and have proper debate and

try and work out what you really think

about things given that many people from

these campuses will go on to run things

is that you have to have a proper

legitimate debate with all views a but

they they're not interested it's taken

an interesting turn in the last month

and I'm sure you'll have be familiar

with the anti-Semitism awareness act now

of course like you like me I'm sure

you've been shocked and and horrified by

some of the anti-Semitism we're seeing

on these campuses however this new act

which has been put forward by Republican

Congressman uh and women that it says

that the department for education has to

embrace these rules about anti-Semitism

as a definition which include even

criticizing let's say the H Holocaust

obviously that's a disgusting thing my

grandmother was a holocaust Survivor I

you know it's it's something that's

horrible I'm not saying that what I'm

saying is we need free speech and so

what we're seeing now since the Gaza War

started was a turn where conservatives

are letting go of their free spee

principles yeah do you miss music I mean

do you still perform do you just come

from the studio and I'm just rushing

back to the studio after you're doing

your own thing now yeah did you miss

being with the band I miss being on

stage a lot I loved that that was there

was a sort of magic there when you when

you're when you're in the music and the

whole band are together and the whole

room is focused on

this this this thing that I I know I

can't do you think You' ever be back

with them uh I am very happy now that's

not a no I'm very

happy well it's good to see you Winston

thanks P keep fighting the fight keep

having your say it's important you know

I just think what happened to you was

ridiculous and I think what happened to

you Oxford Union was very telling in the

it went viral around the world because

people thought yeah good on you calling

out hypocrisy where you see it I don't

care whether it's left or right

Hypocrites should be exposed good to see

thanks thanks very much P good to see

you