Judge Jeanine: This was Trump lawyer's 'big bang' during closing arguments
Summary
TLDRIn a heated courtroom exchange, Todd Blanche, a prosecutor, suggested to the jury that Donald Trump could face jail time if convicted, prompting an outraged response from Judge Merchan who deemed the comment inappropriate and promised a curative instruction to the jury. The defense team, led by Jeanine Pirro, argued that the case hinges on unproven evidence and the credibility of Michael Cohen, whom they labeled the 'Greatest Liar of All Time' (GOAT). The prosecution's closing arguments focused on undermining Cohen's testimony, emphasizing inconsistencies and the lack of corroborating evidence. The jury's decision now hangs in the balance, with the judge's instructions and the absence of key witnesses potentially influencing their verdict.
Takeaways
- 📢 The defense team for Donald Trump is concluding their arguments, and the next steps are being discussed with Judge Jeanine Pirro.
- 🔍 The Washington Post reported an incident where Todd Blanche suggested to the jury that Trump could go to jail if convicted, which angered Judge Merchan.
- 👩⚖️ Judge Pirro was surprised by Merchan's reaction and explained that the jury should only be concerned with the facts and the law, not the potential sentence.
- 🗣️ Todd Blanche's closing argument was described as simple, non-histrionic, and focused on the lack of evidence and the falsification of business records.
- 👥 Blanche highlighted the absence of key witnesses like Gina Rodriguez, Dylan Howard, Alan Weisselberg, and Keith Schiller, which could be crucial for the defense.
- 🚫 Judge Pirro emphasized the importance of an adverse witness charge due to the absence of certain key witnesses who were not called to testify.
- 📚 Blanche's closing argument detailed inconsistencies and lies, particularly focusing on Michael Cohen's testimony, calling him the 'Greatest Liar of All Time (GOAT)'.
- 🎯 The argument was methodical in discrediting Cohen's testimony and the circumstances surrounding his allegations, suggesting he should not have been able to testify.
- 🤔 Judge Pirro expressed concern about the jury instructions, particularly the lack of clarity on the crime that was allegedly being concealed.
- 👉 The jury was given three options for the crime being concealed without needing to agree on which one, which Judge Pirro found perplexing and unfair.
- 👍 Judge Pirro noted that the jury's eagerness to continue with the trial without a break indicates their readiness and commitment to their duty.
Q & A
What is the context of the discussion in the transcript?
-The discussion revolves around the closing arguments in a legal case involving Donald Trump, with a focus on the prosecution's and defense's strategies and the judge's potential instructions to the jury.
Who is Todd Blanche in the context of this transcript?
-Todd Blanche is the prosecutor who delivered the closing arguments in the case mentioned in the transcript.
What did Todd Blanche suggest to the jury in his closing argument that caused a reaction from Merchan?
-Todd Blanche suggested to the jury that Donald Trump could go to jail if convicted, which Merchan found highly inappropriate and a reason to issue a curative instruction to the jury.
What is the role of Judge Jeanine Pirro in the transcript?
-Judge Jeanine Pirro is a cohost of 'The Five' and has been present at the courthouse. She provides commentary and insights into the proceedings based on her observations.
What is the significance of the missing witness instruction and adverse witness charge mentioned by Judge Jeanine Pirro?
-The missing witness instruction and adverse witness charge are legal tools that could be used by the defense to suggest to the jury that the absence of certain witnesses speaks to the weakness of the prosecution's case.
What was the main focus of Todd Blanche's closing argument according to the transcript?
-Todd Blanche's closing argument focused on the lack of proven evidence, the inconsistencies in the testimonies, and the unreliability of Michael Cohen as a witness.
What was the term used by Todd Blanche to describe Michael Cohen in his closing argument?
-Todd Blanche referred to Michael Cohen as the 'GOAT', which stands for 'Greatest of All Time', in the context of being a liar.
What is the controversy surrounding the judge's potential charge to the jury, as discussed in the transcript?
-The controversy is that the judge may not provide the best charge to the jury, and there is concern about the lack of clarity on what crime is being concealed or violated, which could affect the jury's decision-making process.
What does Judge Jeanine Pirro find 'unheard of' in the context of this case?
-Judge Jeanine Pirro finds it 'unheard of' that the jury is in the middle of a summation without knowing what the crime is that they are trying to conceal.
What does the transcript suggest about the jury's readiness to proceed with their task?
-The transcript suggests that the jury is ready and eager to proceed with their task, as indicated by their decision to continue with the summation without taking a break.
What is the general sentiment expressed by the participants in the transcript regarding the case against Donald Trump?
-The general sentiment expressed is that the case against Donald Trump is not as clear-cut or compelling as it should be for a trial involving a former U.S. President, with a focus on the murkiness of the allegations and the unreliability of the main witness.
Outlines
📢 Closing Arguments and Controversy
The first paragraph discusses the closing arguments in a trial involving Donald Trump, with a focus on the prosecution's strategy and the defense's response. Jeanine Pirro, a cohost judge, reports from the courthouse and comments on the situation where Todd Blanche, the prosecutor, suggested to the jury that Trump could face jail time if convicted, which was met with strong objections from Merchan. The defense team's closing argument is described as strong, with a focus on the lack of proven evidence and the unreliability of key witness Michael Cohen, who is labeled as the 'Greatest Liar of All Time' (GOAT). The paragraph also touches on the absence of certain witnesses who could have provided adverse testimony against the prosecution.
👨⚖️ Judge's Reaction and Jury's Decision
The second paragraph delves into the judge's reaction to the closing arguments, with a particular focus on Judge Merchan's disapproval of Blanche's suggestion that Trump could go to jail. The conversation highlights the importance of the jury's role in deciding the case based solely on the facts and the law, rather than on the potential consequences for the defendant. The summary also includes commentary on the strength of Todd Blanche's closing argument, which methodically dismantled the prosecution's case and emphasized the lies told by Michael Cohen both in the past and during his testimony. The paragraph concludes with a discussion about the jury's determination to continue with their deliberations without taking a break, indicating their readiness to fulfill their duty.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Closing Arguments
💡Prosecution
💡Defense Team
💡Jury
💡Curative Instruction
💡Falsification of Business Records
💡Extortion
💡Reasonable Doubt
💡Perjury
💡Missing Witness Instructions
💡Adverse Witness Charge
Highlights
Donald Trump's defense team concluding their final pitch.
Jeanine Pirro reports from the courthouse on the closing arguments.
Todd Blanche suggests to the jury that Trump could face jail time if convicted.
Judge Merchan reacts strongly to Blanche's suggestion, calling it inappropriate.
Pirro explains the jury's role is to decide facts, with the judge providing the law.
Blanche's closing argument is described as simple, not histrionic, and addressing all points.
Blanche emphasizes the lack of proven evidence and what the jury did not hear.
Discussion on the role of falsification of business records in the case.
Blanche details the inconsistencies with the witnesses and the lack of catch and kill agreements.
Stormy Daniels' story was already public, undermining the case's premise.
Blanche argues that certain key witnesses were not called, impacting the case's strength.
The significance of Alan Weisselberg and Keith Schiller not testifying is highlighted.
Blanche labels Michael Cohen as the 'Greatest Liar of All Time' (GOAT).
Cohen's credibility and his testimony under oath are questioned.
The prosecution's case has many holes, according to Blanche's summation.
Pirro expresses concern over the judge's instructions to the jury.
The jury is not required to agree on which crime was being concealed.
Pirro finds it unfair that the jury does not know the felony in question.
Judge Merchan's potential bias in giving jury instructions is discussed.
The jury's readiness to continue without a break indicates their engagement.
The necessity for a crystal-clear case when taking a former U.S. President to trial.
Transcripts
>> John: DONALD TRUMP'S
DEFENSE TEAM MAKING THEIR FINAL
PITCH TODAY.
SO WHAT COMES NEXT?
THE FIVE COHOST JUDGE
JEANINE PIRRO HAS BEEN AT THE
COURTHOUSE ALL DAY.
SHE JOINS US NOW.
JUDGE, BEFORE WE GET INTO WHAT
THE PROSECUTION MAY OR MAY NOT
DO IN TERMS OF ITS CLOSING
ARGUMENTS, "WASHINGTON POST" IS
CARRYING SOMETHING INTERESTING
THAT I GUESS HAPPENED AS COURT
WAS CLOSING.
SOMEWHERE IN HIS CLOSING
ARGUMENT, TODD BLANCHE SUGGESTED
TO THE JURY THAT TRUMP COULD GO
TO JAIL IF CONVICTED.
APPARENTLY MERCHAN BLEW UP AT
HIM SAYING THAT WAS OUTRAGEOUS
MR. BLANCHE.
SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN A
PROSECUTOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE,
SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN AN ATTORNEY
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE KNOWS THAT
IS HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE AND HE
WILL ISSUE A CURATIVE
INSTRUCTION TO THE JURY.
DID YOU HEAR THAT JUDGE?
>> I DIDN'T HEAR IT TO BE HONEST
WITH YOU.
I'M STUNNED SITTING HERE AND I
WAS IN THERE.
BUT THAT'S VERY SIMPLE.
YOU GIVE A CHARGE TO THE JURY
AND YOU SAY WOULD EITHER THIS
SENTENCE MAY BE OR WHATEVER MY
OPTIONS MAY BE ARE NOT YOUR
CONCERN AS I HAVE TOLD YOU FROM
THE BEGINNING.
YOU'VE DECIDED WHAT THE FACTS
ARE.
I GIVE YOU THE LAW AND YOU MAKE
A DECISION BASED ON THE FACTS
AND THE LAW.
SO THERE IS NO NEED THE GUY IS
VERY THIN-SKINNED, THIS MERCHAN
I KNOW WE DID HAVE A BREAKDOWN
OVER IT BUT HERE'S WHAT I
THOUGHT WAS SO INCREDIBLY STRONG
THIS MORNING.
TODD BLANCHE SPOKE IN VERY
SIMPLE LANGUAGE AND ADDRESSED
EVERYTHING HE POSSIBLY COULD IN
HIS SUMMATION TO THE JURY.
IT WAS SIMPLE, IT WAS NOT
HISTRIONIC, IT WAS NOT OVER THE
TOP.
SOME PEOPLE IF YOU HAVE A CHILD
ABUSE CASE OR AN OUTRAGEOUS CASE
OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, THIS IS A
CASE THAT IS VERY DEPENDENT ON
HOW THE JURY SEES THE ROLE OF
THE FALSIFICATION OF BUSINESS
RECORDS.
AND TODD BLANCHE STARTED BY
SAYING LOOK.
THIS CASE IS ABOUT EVIDENCE THAT
WAS NOT PROVEN.
THIS CASE IS ABOUT WHAT YOU DID
NOT HEAR.
HE THEN WENT ON TO DESCRIBE
VIRTUALLY EVERY WITNESS AND HE
MADE A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT
TRYING TO SHOW HOW ALL OF THE
CATCH AND KILLS WERE NOT
CATCHING KILLS.
THEY WERE SIMPLY WITH
McDOUGALL IT WAS A QUESTION
SHE WANTED TO BE ON THE COVER OF
BANK'S EIGHTH GRADE SHE DID NOT
WANT ANYTHING KILLED.
SHE WANTED TO WRITE HER OWN
ARTICLE.
AND IN THE END, STORMY DANIELS
STORY HAD ALREADY BEEN OUT IN
2011.
IT WAS VERY PRECISE AND HE MADE
IT CLEAR THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE
WHO WERE EXTORTING MONEY AND
CERTAIN WITNESSES GOT TOGETHER.
WITNESSES WHO WERE NOT CALLED AT
THIS TRIAL.
GINA RODRIGUEZ ON BEHALF OF
STORMY DANIELS.
DYLAN HOWARD ON BEHALF OF
AMERICAN MEDIA.
AND OF COURSE THE ISSUE OF ALAN
WEISSELBERG.
THE ISSUE OF KEITH SCHILLER.
ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE
ESSENTIAL WITNESSES AS FAR AS
I'M CONCERNED AND IF I WAS THE
DEFENSE IN THIS CASE AND I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE JUDGE'S CHARGES,
BUT YOU HAVE TO GET AN ADVERSE
WITNESS CHARGE, THE FACT THAT
ALAN WEISSELBERG WAS NOT CALLED
AS A WITNESS AND WAS CERTAINLY
RELEVANT.
EVERYTHING POINTED TO ALAN
WEISSELBERG BEING INVOLVED IN
THAT PART OF THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION THAT WAS INVOLVED
IN THE BOOK KEEPING, DATA IS
SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE USED
AGAINST THE PROSECUTION BECAUSE
NUMBER ONE HE WAS WITHIN THEIR
CONTROL AND NUMBER TWO HE HAD
RELEVANT AND MATERIAL EVIDENCE.
AND THE FACT THAT CASE-SHILLER
WAS NOT CALLED WHEN CASE-SHILLER
WOULD CLEARLY SAY THAT THE
CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT A
14-YEAR-OLD HARASSING
MICHAEL COHEN AND NOT ABOUT
HIS PHONE CALL WITH
DONALD TRUMP.
ALL OF THE EVIDENCE WAS VERY
CLEARLY OUTLINED FOR THE JURY
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU HE HAD
GREAT LINES.
THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS MVP OF
LIARS.
YOU'VE HEARD OF THE GOAT, THE
GLOAT.
THE GREATEST LIAR OF ALL TIME.
>> Sandra: THAT IS SUCH A
CROWD FAVORITE.
WE PULLED THAT QUOTE.
WE PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
THIS WAS TODD BLANCHE IN THE
CLOSING ARGUMENT RIGHT NEAR THE
END.
HE IS THE HUMAN EMBODIMENT OF
REASONABLE DOUBT.
HE LIED TO YOU REPEATEDLY.
HE TOLD THE JURY.
HE IS BIASED AND MOTIVATED,
MICHAEL COHEN IS THE GOAT, HE IS
THE GREATEST LIAR OF ALL TIME.
YOU CANNOT SEND SOMEONE TO
PRESENT BASED ON THE WORDS OF
MICHAEL COHEN.
IT SEEMS THIS WAS THE BIG BANG
AT THE END OF HIS CLOSING
ARGUMENTS.
>> IT WAS THE BIG BANG AND THE
WHOLE SUMMATION WAS HOW
MICHAEL COHEN WAS LYING, HOW
WHAT HE SAID MADE NO SENSE, HOW
THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING
MICHAEL COHEN'S ALLEGATIONS WERE
KNOCKED DOWN OVER AND OVER AGAIN
AND ALL THOSE LITTLE FACTS THAT
DON'T MAKE THEY HAD LINES AND
TERMS OF WHAT WE DO BUT WILL
MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN THE
JURY GOES IN AND RECOGNIZES THAT
WE CAN'T DECIDE THIS BASED ON
MICHAEL COHEN BECAUSE WE HAVE
THIS EVIDENCE THAT CONTRADICTS
MICHAEL COHEN.
IT WAS REALLY AN EXCELLENT
SUMMATION AND IT WAS DONE IN A
MODULATED TOWNS AND I THINK HE
WAS VERY CLEAR ON WHERE HE WAS
HEADED.
>> John: THAT VERY LAST THING
THAT SANDRA JUST ALLUDED TO THAT
HE HAS THE GLOAT, THE GREATEST
LIAR OF ALL TIME, YOU CANNOT
SEND SOMEONE TO PRESENT BASED ON
THE WORDS OF MICHAEL COHEN.
THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT
JUDGE MERCHAN TOOK EXCEPTION TO.
I THINK THE JUDGE THOUGHT THAT
BLANCHE SHOULD'VE SAID YOU
CANNOT FIND SOMEONE GUILTY BASED
ON THE WORDS OF MICHAEL COHEN.
MERCHAN IS TICKED OFF AND HE
THINKS THAT BLANCHE WAS TRYING
TO ENGENDER SYMPATHY FOR HIS
CLIENT BY SUGGESTING THAT THE
JURY COULD FOR THE VERY FIRST
TIME IN HISTORY SEND A U.S.
PRESIDENT TO JAIL.
WHAT DO YOU THINK JUDGE?
>> I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT THE IDEA THAT THE
CENTERPIECE, HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN
THE CENTERPIECE OF THIS
CONVICTION.
HE HAS SO MANY HOLES RIGHT NOW
AND THERE ARE MORE HOLES AS A
RESULT OF THE SUMMATION BECAUSE
HE WAS VERY METHODICAL, TODD
BLANCHE IN TERMS OF TALKING TO
THE JURY.
THIS WAS A LIE, THAT WAS A LIE,
YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THIS, YOU
CAN'T BELIEVE THAT.
IT'S ALMOST AS THOUGH HE
SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
TESTIFY IN THE FIRST PLACE AND
WHAT I THOUGHT WAS BRILLIANT WAS
HE SAID YOU KNOW HE LIED ABOUT
ALL OF THIS BUT HE GOT ON THE
STAND AND LIED TO YOU AGAIN.
IT'S NOT JUST WHAT HE HAS DONE
IN THE PAST, IT'S WHAT HE DID IN
THIS COURTROOM AFTER HE SWORE TO
TELL THE TRUTH.
HE TOOK AN OATH, HE LOOKED AT
YOU, HE SAID WE RECOGNIZE THAT
HE'S UNDER OATH AND UNDER
PENALTY OF PERJURY AND HE STILL
LIED TO YOU BASED ON THE
EVIDENCE, THE FACTS, AND THE
CIRCUMSTANCES.
THEY CANNOT CONVICT BASED UPON
HIM.
THEY CANNOT.
>> Sandra: AT THE END OF ALL
OF THIS, ALL THAT MATTERS ARE
THE JURORS.
AND WE JUST HAVE TO WONDER WHAT
HAPPENS IN THE NEXT FEW HOURS
AND THEN ON IT IN TOMORROW WITH
WHAT THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE.
GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS.
>> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE
INSTRUCTIONS.
I WANT THOSE MISSING WITNESS
INSTRUCTIONS AND ADVERSE WITNESS
CHARGE.
I'M CURIOUS.
THEY GAVE US THREE OPTIONS FOR
THE CRIME HE WERE TRYING TO
CONCEAL AND THE JURY DOESN'T
HAVE TO IDENTIFY OR AGREE ON
WHICH ONE.
THIS IS THE SICKEST THING I'VE
EVER HEARD OF.
HOW CAN WE BE AND THE MIDDLE OF
A SUMMATION AND NOT KNOW WHAT
THE CRIME IS THAT THEY ARE
TRYING TO CONCEAL?
WHAT CRIME THEY VIOLATED
QUESTION WRECK WHAT IS THE
FELONY THAT RESURRECTED THESE
DEAD MISDEMEANORS?
IT IS UNHEARD OF.
I TELL YOU THAT'S NOT JUST AS A
PROSECUTOR BUT AS A JUDGE.
THIS IS UNFAIR.
YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT MERCHAN
IS NOT GOING TO GIVE THE BEST
CHARGE TO THE JURY IN THE CASE
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE
PRACTICAL METHODICAL BEAT DOWN
OF ALL THE FACTS BY TODD BLANCHE
MAY BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM
TO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS
GUY'S A PIECE OF GARBAGE.
WE CAN'T SEND SOMEONE TO PRISON
IF THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK THE
OPTION IS OR A FORMER PRESIDENT
NO LESS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT I LIKE?
THE JUDGE THAT YOU CAN COME BACK
TODAY FOR THE PEOPLE SUMMATION
BUT WE WILL TAKE IT INTO
TOMORROW IF IT IS PASSED FOR 30.
AND THE JURY CAME BACK AND SAID
NO.
WE WANT TO GO RIGHT THROUGH WITH
THIS ONE.
THAT TELLS ME THEY ARE READY AND
THEY ARE NOT INTO THIS LET'S
TAKE A WEEK OFF.
I THINK THEY ARE READY TO DO
THEIR JOB AND I HAVE A GOOD
FEELING FROM THAT.
>> John: AS CARRIE WAS
MENTIONING LAST WEEK, IF YOU ARE
GOING TO TAKE A U.S. PRESIDENT,
A FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT TO TRIAL
FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, IT
BETTER BE SOMETHING THAT IS
CRYSTAL CLEAR.
IT HAS TO BE WE CAUGHT HIM
TAKING $1 BILLION FOR SELLING
NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO SOME COUNTRY.
NOT FOR SOMETHING AS MURKY AS
THIS.
JUDGE, GREAT TO SEE YOU AS
ALWAYS.
THANK YOU.
>> AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU ONE
THING.
NO ONE TIED DONALD TRUMP TO THAT
BOOK COMPANY.
NO O
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