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just picture a subway map as a stained

glass

window okay picture picture Ronald

McDonald if he made a phone that's yeah

actually

yeah the Fisher Price car yeah but

flattened into a $250 truck that's a

nothing phone 2A yeah sure a great work

by p8 Monon but picture Mickey Mouse

with LEDs all right I think we all know

Marquez is in the ha it category for

sure

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there's yo what is going on people of

the internet welcome back to another

episode of the way for podcast we're

your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and

I'm David this week actually a

surprising amount of a lot of stuff

going on a lot of smaller stories

internet stories videos happenings and

we're going to talk about a whole bunch

of it cuz have thoughts and they're also

fun to talk about uh Spotify killing

some stuff a new phone color that I

think you can only have two possible

opinions on uh Google AI overviews

possibly ruining the internet we'll talk

about it coffeezilla reacting to the R1

this whole investigation going down the

rabbit hole also later miles is going to

join us we're going to talk about a new

car that recently got announced oh it's

a doozy but first there was a recent

bonus episode we just dropped it was

pretty sick there was you should

definitely watch it it was a lot of fun

um but in it I made a plea for somebody

to find me a video that I couldn't find

and it was about a Thanksgiving dinner

that was only peas and somebody found it

within like two hours so I have to shout

out Chris a for finding it thank you my

entire family now thinks I am a regular

sane person and not completely making

this entire thing you were imagining

that before they definitely didn't think

it was real well they just think you

weren't lying about this they still

think you're an okay maybe um there was

actually someone someone else in the

comment that's like I've also seen this

video and I can't find it please help me

find it but anyways it's there we'll put

it in the show notes but the last

episode was awesome I think everyone

should go listen to it also a quick uh

update not update correction from last

week's episode when we talked about

these Microsoft computers which I have

the Asus V VI book here that's running

on the arm chipset very that I've been

using for like a week um and I'm not

allowed to really talk about it but this

is what it looks like you can see it

anyway uh I had said that both the

Surface Pro and the surface laptops have

OLED and is only the pro but not the

laptops I just wanted to update that got

it okay um and I think I just misread

but now you know thank you guys for uh

pointing out everything and also thank

you guys for liking and subscribing we

appreciate you for doing that too smooth

w Wait I want to ask you guys because I

haven't actually gotten your official

opinions yet yes so this is the nothing

phone 2A special edition you know how

companies will do a colored version of a

phone to rejuvenate interest in a new

press cycle about their phone they

already made the classic OnePlus play

it's happened before say the nothing

phones have traditionally been black or

white with LEDs on the back what do you

think of this one it's really

colorful I think it kind of looks like a

kids toy and if you like that then you

like that I think it looks like an old

R2-D2 toy okay so I think so my theory

is is you can either love it or hate it

and I think you're both in the hate it

Camp

I'm

not okay never mind my theory is out

well no no no no I'm not saying like I I

kind of like it I'm just not going to

use a nothing phone that's like what's

kind of tough about it I like the colors

like okay If This Were A a design on a

keyboard where it's like I'm expecting

something pretty fun and like blue

yellow red some gray and white this

looks really good actually a pull it up

there's a keycap set that I ordered that

I'm still waiting on that this reminds

me of there are like two things that you

can do when you decide to buy a phone

you can either go I'm going to be boring

and it's going to be the black or the

white option or the manufacturer will

offer a really freaking weird color

that's like Mystic bronze and you're

like I'm going to go for that color or

Ellis got the purple iPhone 12 mini you

did uh yes and so I think that if you're

in the camp of I want the colorful

version then like this sticks out a lot

and it is really playful but if you're

in the camp of I just want to be minimal

and like chill then you're probably

going to get the black one or the white

one wow those are pretty sick those pair

very well together oh yeah it's this

keycap set called G gal do you have it

no it's in the or I ordered it it's um

how you

yeahman it's by a really awesome

designer named

Timothy be German don't crucify me this

is I don't know if you guys can see that

over there but this is a really sweet

keycap set and I think it's the colors

match like almost exactly on those

actually all are letters also trying to

figure out some top down photos of both

of

those all together yeah they would and

this phone it photographs well if you're

into the look it looks really

interesting and unique I also think my

other Theory I just like spewing

theories on I think I've realized when I

get the headphones and the microphone on

I'm just like I have a theory podcasts

are all about theories man another

theory uh people want the boring color

phone but they'll accessorize with a

different color case so if they want to

go crazy they'll put a bright case on if

they want to go back to normal they'll

put a normal looking case on their phone

they don't want a permanently bright

colored phone as much as a bright

colored case what color is my phone oh

it's gray you the fact that you didn't

even know the fact that you didn't even

know is perfect that's what they want

it's cuz last yeah yeah because it goes

with everything or

nothing if I will say I think I think if

I were to run a nothing phone 2A as my

main daily driver I would probably get

the special edition I think that's

pretty cool yeah yeah even though I

don't love love it I like it enough that

it's different enough from the regular

one that I think it's cool it it's funny

CU it looks like if Fisher PR price made

Toy teenage engineering products

McDonald phone yeah so nothing phone 2A

which is a big phone with those two eyes

in the center but now the interior

elements have like little blocks of

yellow squares and red circles and red

pills um yeah blue it looks like the

blue yeah around the I actually think

this would look better if they fully

went in with the color and all of this

gray was the blue instead yeah like I

think if they went all in with the color

not just the little tiny accents if

you're driving don't look this up if

you're doing the dishes maybe look this

up but yeah just search nothing phone

special uh 2A special you've probably

seen it if you're watching on social

media just picture a subway map as a

stained glass

window okay picture picture Ronald

McDonald if he made a phone that's yeah

actually

yeah the Fisher Price car yeah but

flattened into a $250 truck that's a

nothing phone 2A yeah sure a great work

by p8 mundon but picture Mickey

Mouse with LEDs all right I think we all

know Marquez is in the heed category for

sure there's a lot Mickey Mouse with

LEDs isn't that just dead

mouse damn Fair yeah wait I'm going to

I'm going to press the co-pilot button

and ask co-pilot to generate if Fisher

Price made a cell

phone made a teenage engineering cell

phone yeah how do I do that okay while

you're figuring that out okay I I

recently dropped a little thread on

Twitter of I got to visit some apple

Labs which is kind of interesting you

don't usually see the behind the scenes

of Apple that much other than what they

curate to show you in the keynote which

is very it feels behind the scenes but

it also feels staged oh yeah so this is

actually behind the scenes I got to walk

through a whole bunch of like literal

underground tunnels to get to these

places and saw a lot of how they

durability test phones and how they put

together testing to connect the device

before it comes out to the real world

which is interesting obviously we've

seen ip68 ratings on phones before but

seeing the machines they actually use to

blast water at the phone or like

pressurize it under X Ines of water for

x amount of time is cool to see um so I

I recommend checking out that thread

maybe the most interesting part is they

had a drop a drop test machine which is

just an industrial robot an Epson indust

for a robot that can drop the phone in

the exact same way every single time in

repeated way so that they can test it on

different surfaces on different angles

different materials and they have

extremely high frame rate cameras all

Phantoms and I kind of Ned out about

that for a little bit too that was fun

it's almost like they have the uh for

the surfaces they drop it on like our

all our debrand plates set up in like

the row of picking different things for

top down sets um and then instead of

filming on it they just have robot slam

a phone on it instead which is sick uh

there's also one

that I guess it's replicating different

vibration frequencies it's doing the Dr

Fuji yeah it's really hard it's hard to

capture on video because the the the

speed that it shakes kind of like syned

with my shutter speed at one point so it

looked like it wasn't moving at all or

that it was kind of like jello a little

bit so I had to like put my hand on it

so you could see my hand moving anyway

there's something very funny here about

seeing the Vision Pro on this machine

not breaking and then knowing that a ton

of Vision Pro split straight down the

middle just sitting in the case maybe by

a little too much air conditioning it's

fascinating cuz then now they have to go

back and like find a way to add that

test to their Suite so that they can for

the next Hardware actually not have that

problem um I talked to John turnis who's

the head of Apple like Hardware

engineering about a lot of this stuff I

brought that up I brought up like some

other durability things I think the most

interesting thing we ended up talking

about was this theory that I've had

about smartphones which is that

durability is a spectrum and on the

other side of durability is repair and

Apple has been the most aggressively all

the way on one side for so long where

they they literally vocalize their goal

of making the iPhone never have to be

repaired ever which is obviously crazy

cuz you can drop your phone and it'll

break but under normal use if you don't

drop your phone you can be submerged you

can be using it in extreme heat you can

use it in all sorts of conditions and

ideally to them you never have to repair

any part of your phone because it's that

durable and then you see the other side

of that Spectrum which is something like

the fair phone the fair phone's goal is

to be infinitely

repairable but the argument from Apple

is that's probably less durable and so

all the additional mass that you need to

repair over and over again might be not

what you want so there's it's a spectrum

of repairability versus durability which

I thought that was interesting it's

interesting if they can create a phone

that doesn't break they have not done

that yet and they need to get repaired

PL there wouldn't be a stink about right

to repair in apple if people's phones

weren't breaking yeah so like there's a

little bit of a I see so many broken

iPhones when you're the most market

share phone in the US people are

breaking I don't know why they have to

be so extreme though like the correct

answers probably somewhere in the middle

yeah so that's what we landed on and

what I talked about is Apple doesn't

have to be all the way at the extreme

they need to bump in a little bit from

the extreme because phones do still

break so people will still have to

repair especially the glass that's like

the most common thing that breaks on

people's phones is you have to be able

to repair the front glass the back glass

and that needs to be a part of how you

consider building a phone is people are

eventually going to have to replace the

glass yeah so moving it in from the

outer edges Good Start first step is

admitting you have a problem I think

back in like 2018 or so and uh Andrew

you're Andrew Adam and I made a video

for Ender Authority about how phones

should all switch to plastic again and

just permanently be plastic because then

because it has wireless charging

capabilities the back glass can't break

the only thing that could break is the

front glass it can break it's just like

harder to break doesn't it doesn't like

absolutely shatter and obliterate what

what like class does yeah I also did a

video around that time saying that we

should stop using phone numbers everyone

yelled at me stop using phone numbers

yeah that's a hard what would we use

usernames usernames

oh but no I was wrong the internet just

yelled at me so it's fine you were just

too early that's a fair take I mean it's

a very fair URLs are just IP addresses

but they're usernames instead of are

usernames not just numbers they could be

letters on my Google f when I to Swit

phones I just log Google and suddenly I

have service so like you know and like

signal I think recently switched to

usernames a lot of people are switching

to usernames so now you don't have to

and like if everything is either viip or

um Rich messaging then you don't need a

phone number anyway really so well a lot

of people were saying well the complete

tangent because we're not talking but

people were saying too that it's like in

other countries it's a lot easier to

like switch phone numbers and stuff you

just pop in another sim card and whatnot

but why can't you just do that with an

account too like I don't see what the

difference is anyway just saying

continue plastic phones speaking of

plastic things nice nice that was really

good thank you whoa yeah speaking of

things

yeah things Spotify double on don't ask

me how yeah Spotify Spotify killed car

things hey it's David and Ellis quick

update uh today is Thursday we recorded

on Wednesday and now news flash Spotify

is going to refund customers for the car

thing so just know that when you hear us

say that they're not they now are which

is better but still bad but better the I

I'm not shocked you're not well I'm

shocked at the way they went about it me

too you want to go over the details of

what own nothing and you will be happy

did you if that was you just described L

rossman's entire video pretty much um

which is a great video but um yes

Spotify is killing car thing if you

don't remember what car thing is because

it's kind of a weird name short lived it

was it was weirdly long lived because of

how poorly they released it cuz like it

technically came out in or they

announced it in

2019 but it like went through this phase

of they first gave it out for free to

some premium users then they put it up

for sale for only premium users and it

was one price then they put it up for

sale and it was another price for anyone

to get it um then they didn't sell any

so they slashed the price like in half

anyways though it it essentially it's

just a piece of Hardware that Spotify

created that connects via Bluetooth to

your phone to help your phone control

Spotify so like if you're in a car that

has an outdated infotainment system

rather than looking at your phone you

have this nice little dial and screen to

put on your dashboard a lot of people

these days and we weird they have talked

about this product recently because I

keep comparing the R1 it's a Spotify car

thing um and people will set it up at

like their desk so if they want to

control music that they're listening to

while they're working they don't have to

have like go into separate Windows to

change things they just have this nice I

think it also has a voice assistant as

well it's it's a nicely made and presets

yeah it's a nice little thing but they

just announced that December this year

they it will just stop working

completely everyone who owns one it will

not work anymore no refunds no credits

no open sourcing the thing it is just

going to stop working completely it's so

insane like there's precedent for things

eventually that you buy eventually stop

working like video game servers get

turned off eventually and all of these

things but usually it's like 10 years

after it was put out and even with video

games and stuff it's usually just like

oh the multiplayer doesn't work anymore

yeah or Kim Kardashian's mobile game

which is now shut down as of like last

week um yeah I don't know it's crazy

that you can buy something like two

years ago and it just they're just

bricking it for everybody to me it feels

like this flopped so

hard just trying to bury it and pretend

it never happened just like those uh the

ET video games out in the Nevada

desert I think they're doing a bad job

of burying it to never think about it

again because they caused a stink with

this like it it was 90 bucks which sucks

it obviously sucks if you pay $90 and

just get it bricked in like 2 years um I

don't know why there's literally

precedent for this already where Google

killed stadia and gave everyone

essentially full refunds or credit for

everything correct how do you not just

give everyone who bought one of these

like 6 months of Spotify Premium credit

at the least yeah or their money back or

their money back I mean like that would

be the easier way of just being like man

we barely sold any of these just give

everyone 90 bucks back or half of them

they sold at like 40 bucks give all that

money back and don't have to deal with

this what if in instead you got

0.00001 Cent per

stream I'm

in I'm in but uh yeah so not only did

they say it's going to stop working they

also recommend to reset it to factory

settings and then safely dispose your

device at the following local electronic

waste guidelines like they straight up

were just like pretend it reset this

thing and Pitch it bury it in your

backyard yeah anything but leaving it

your car please forget this exists

forget that we sold this to you and

still love us I just don't know why they

wouldn't open source this I don't either

it's unless it has like some proprietary

information inside that would like be

detrimental to the rest of their

products maybe I could see that but like

there's such a niche community of people

who love this thing that are doing such

cool things with it and all they're

asking for is for that to be open source

so they can just keep still be there

yeah like just make it open source so

people can use it it's a wellmade little

device I think it probably was just bad

timing because with cars getting better

infotainment systems and having like

Android auto and carplay it's less

necessary I know people who use these I

know people who use them as computer

controls and they like it this is the

thing it's like they're saying they're

discontinuing it as part of their

ongoing efforts to streamline their

product offerings and it's like they

discontinued the product a long time ago

they can have no employees working on

the product and just say well the

warranty was up a year ago so we don't

owe you anything but why do they have to

Brick everyone's like I there might be

like some backend change that's like

going to stop it from working with

Spotify but they could also just put out

a statement that be like sorry like it

won't work with Spotify anymore but feel

free to use it as you see like fit yeah

there should be some way that you can

still use this thing you spent 90 bucks

on whether it's directly through

spotify's own support of it I I'm sure

they're probably doing something with

that all it does is connect to Spotify

and control they're probably changing

something to where I can't do that

anymore Yeah well considering it's

supposed to go out of commission in

December hopefully in that time people

figure out a way to like get Rude access

and mess with it and get rid of the get

rid of the bricking process I'm pretty

sure they already have root access

someone found but it's like there's

weird limitations and stuff and they

can't really do certain

things bummer yeah they're trying to

they're trying to pretend it doesn't

exist they're air powering it except

this would be like if they actually out

ofir I bet if Spotify had the ability

they would send people out to collect

them to like take them back to then

sorry yeah no no more well LS rossman's

uh recommendation was to ship it to the

Spotify

headquarters listed on their website um

yeah what's funny is them bricking this

felt like the most I've ever heard about

Spotify car thing definitely like when

it launched and it's when it died and

the death is like just as loud as it's

launch yeah unfortunately Hardware is

hard people were very upset about it

very upset about it yeah they should be

yeah I get it we pay for things and we

don't know how long they'll last anymore

speaking of we'll talk about something

similar to that right after trivia in

the break wow that was a that was a

quick one we are on fire nice for

Segways right now I I'll do a good one I

promise okay you're on the clock David

so Spotify car thing is now dead rest in

peace but it was awesome Ellis wants to

hack it and do a bunch of stuff with it

but there's one thing he should probably

know before doing

stuff with it I didn't finish the

sentence how much RAM does it come with

oh o o I have a guess this going to be

in good because the answer is a

guess I don't know if there are dims

that have megabytes of ram made anymore

so we'll see half a gig of RAM yeah dang

dang it didn't need much RAM I'll think

just a little screen well we'll get to

the answers at the end like usual but

until then we'll Bear right

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back all right welcome back uh Google's

AI overviews that were launched at

IO are generating the most insane

answers I have ever seen which is very

fun um if you didn't know there was this

Google project called search generative

experience that was live for about a

year in the labs function of Google

which I forgot about because I turned it

on immediately and didn't realize that

not everybody had that constantly same

and what would happen is you would make

a Google Search and now this is

happening for everyone you make a Google

Search and now instead of just a bunch

of links showing up and maybe a little

Google sidebar that has some information

in on the side you just get this popped

up AI Gemini based generated window that

tries to answer your question for you

lots of existential questions built into

there as we've talked about before like

Publishers being disincentivized to

actually do those things in some of

these queries you get the AI answer and

then you also get a giant window with

Google shopping and it just fills up the

entire page uh or at least the entire

visible page until you start scrolling

and that just is really a big problem

for the entire internet however the

funnier part about this

is that because this is a large language

model that is generating these

answers it uh just confidently lies

because has no idea what it's saying uh

and is just predicting an answer and uh

over the last week people have have been

finding some very very very funny uh

answers for all of this stuff so this

reminds me of like when Bing first

introduced the like chatbot and people

were just like having a fi day with it

for a week and this is my favorite part

about AI so far is watching it break in

hilarious ways every now and then when

it breaks in a really funny way the

internet just has a f day with it so uh

the AP did a little bit of an

investigation on it and just tried to

parse it a lot they asked it if cats

have been on the moon and it said yes

astronauts have met cats on the moon

played with them and provided care for