Donโt Ask Google's AI for Advice!
Summary
TLDRIn this episode of the Waveform Podcast, Marquez, Andrew, and David discuss various tech updates, including the Nothing Phone 2A, Spotify's decision to discontinue its car accessory, and Google's AI-generated search results. They also delve into a deep investigation by Coffeezilla on the Rabbit R1, examining its promises versus reality. Additionally, the hosts explore recent car announcements, focusing on Porsche's first hybrid 911 and the impressive Lucid Air Sapphire. The episode blends humor, detailed tech analysis, and engaging discussions, keeping listeners informed and entertained.
Takeaways
- ๐ฑ The Nothing Phone 2A special edition has a vibrant, colorful design that is polarizing, with some finding it fun and others comparing it to a children's toy.
- ๐ง The hosts discuss the possibility of Google AI's new search feature potentially ruining the internet due to its tendency to generate incorrect answers confidently.
- ๐ They mention an upcoming discussion about a newly announced car, hinting at something unusual and noteworthy.
- ๐ต The podcast features a correction from a previous episode regarding the Microsoft Surface Pro and laptops' OLED features.
- ๐ The hosts appreciate their audience's engagement, including likes, subscriptions, and corrections provided by the listeners.
- ๐ Marquez shares his experience visiting Apple Labs, detailing the behind-the-scenes process of testing phone durability and the goal of creating a phone that never needs repairs.
- ๐ซ Spotify is discontinuing its 'Car Thing' product, which will stop working for customers in December, a decision that has been met with criticism.
- ๐ค Google's AI is generating humorous but incorrect responses to queries, such as suggesting eating glue on pizza or that cats have been on the moon.
- ๐ง The discussion highlights the challenges of creating durable and repairable smartphones, with Apple striving for the former and Fairphone focusing on the latter.
- ๐จ The Nothing Phone 2A's special edition is compared to various colorful and playful objects, like a Fisher-Price toy or a stained-glass subway map.
- ๐ ๏ธ The podcast also touches on the idea of using plastic for smartphone construction again due to its durability and ease of repair.
Q & A
What is the Nothing Phone 2A special edition criticized for resembling?
-The Nothing Phone 2A special edition is criticized for resembling a children's toy, specifically an old R2-D2 toy, and is compared to a Fisher-Price car design.
What is the general consensus on the Spotify Car Thing's cancellation?
-The general consensus is negative, with many people upset about Spotify's decision to stop supporting the Car Thing, especially since it was a paid product that will no longer function after December.
What is the significance of the Google AI's generated responses being incorrect?
-The incorrect responses from Google AI signify a failure in accuracy and reliability, which is concerning given Google's reputation for reliable search results, and it also provides humorous examples of AI misunderstandings.
What is the theory about the relationship between durability and repair in smartphones?
-The theory is that durability and repairability exist on a spectrum, with Apple focusing on making phones that never need to be repaired due to their durability, while other companies like Fairphone focus on making phones that are easily repairable.
What is the criticism regarding Google's handling of the AI-generated responses?
-The criticism is that Google is manually patching errors instead of having a systemic solution for fact-checking within the AI, which is not scalable and leaves the AI open to providing incorrect information.
What is the speculation about the future of the Nothing Phone 2A?
-The speculation is that the company might be trying to buy time to develop the product further, as it was released with features that do not work as promised, and there are concerns about the company's commitment to delivering on its promises.
What is the controversy surrounding Rabbit's use of Playwright for their AI model?
-The controversy is that Rabbit claimed to use a large action model that semantically understands UI elements, but it appears they are using Playwright, a scripting tool, which contradicts their claims of advanced AI capabilities.
What is the significance of the Lucid Air Sapphire's performance?
-The Lucid Air Sapphire is considered by some to be the best driving electric car ever made, offering impressive speed, handling, and suspension that surpasses traditional sports cars and even some supercars.
What are some of the unique products designed by Porsche Design Studio?
-Porsche Design Studio has designed a variety of unique and high-end products, including a Porsche kitchen, an impact driver (hammering drill), and a hospital bed, some of which are real products while others are fictional.
What is the debate about the Porsche 911 becoming a hybrid?
-The debate is about the potential loss of the traditional driving experience that the Porsche 911 is known for, with concerns that the hybrid system might make the car feel heavier and less responsive, despite the increased power.
Outlines
๐ฑ Nothing Phone 2A Design Discussion
The podcast begins with a lively discussion on the Nothing Phone 2A's unique design, comparing it to a Fisher Price toy and a stained glass window. The hosts debate the pros and cons of the phone's colorful appearance, suggesting that it might appeal to those who enjoy a playful aesthetic. They also touch on the broader topic of smartphone design, mentioning the classic black and white options and the occasional bold color choices offered by manufacturers like OnePlus. The conversation is filled with humor and personal opinions, setting a casual tone for the episode.
๐ง Spotify's Decision on Car Thing and Apple's Behind-the-Scenes
The hosts discuss Spotify's decision to discontinue its Car Thing product, expressing surprise at the company's lack of a refund or credit policy for customers who purchased the device. They compare Spotify's move to Google's handling of Stadia's shutdown, highlighting the difference in customer compensation. Additionally, one of the hosts shares an insightful experience visiting Apple Labs, where he observed the company's rigorous testing procedures for device durability, water resistance, and drop tests. The behind-the-scenes look into Apple's product development process reveals the company's commitment to quality and the challenges of balancing durability and repairability.
๐ฑ The Spectrum of Durability and Repairability in Smartphones
The conversation delves into the topic of smartphone durability and repairability, with a focus on Apple's approach to designing devices that ideally never need repairs. The hosts explore the idea that there's a spectrum, with Apple on one end striving for maximum durability and Fairphone on the other, aiming for infinite repairability. They discuss the implications of this design philosophy, considering the environmental impact and user experience. The discussion also touches on the right to repair movement and the potential for a middle ground in smartphone design.
๐ Spotify's Car Thing Controversy and Google AI's Missteps
The episode continues with a deeper dive into Spotify's decision to brick the Car Thing devices, with the hosts expressing their disapproval and suggesting alternative ways the company could have handled the situation. They also discuss Google AI's recent troubles with its search generative experience, which has been providing inaccurate and humorous responses to user queries. The hosts share examples of these errors, including a claim that cats have been on the moon, and they critique Google's response to the issue, which involves manually addressing the problems as they arise.
๐ค Google AI's Challenges and the Importance of Fact-Checking
The hosts discuss the broader implications of Google AI's issues, questioning the company's rush to release a feature that has since caused numerous problems. They compare Google's situation to that of Bing, which has also struggled with AI-generated content. The conversation highlights the difficulty of teaching AI to understand sarcasm and context, as well as the importance of fact-checking in the development of AI technology. The hosts also share their personal experiences with AI-generated content, expressing their frustrations and concerns about the accuracy and reliability of AI assistants.
๐๏ธ Porsche 911 Hybrid: A New Era for the Iconic Sports Car
The podcast concludes with an enthusiastic discussion about Porsche's announcement of the new 911 hybrid models, the Carrera and the GTS. The hosts share their thoughts on the changes made to the iconic sports car, including the addition of a hybrid drivetrain, which is a first for the 911. They discuss the impact of the hybrid system on performance, weight, and design, expressing mixed feelings about the modifications to the interior and exterior. The conversation reflects on the balance between tradition and innovation in the automotive industry and the challenges of adapting to new technologies while maintaining the essence of a classic car.
๐ Lucid Air Sapphire: Redefining the Electric Sedan Experience
In a recent review, the hosts of the podcast share their impressions of the Lucid Air Sapphire, an electric sedan that has made a significant impact on them. They praise the car's incredible performance, handling, and suspension, highlighting its ability to disguise its weight and provide a compliant and confident ride. The hosts also discuss the car's impressive acceleration and็ตๅผๅๆงๅถ, noting that it offers a driving experience that is both thrilling and comfortable. The conversation touches on the car's luxurious features, spacious interior, and overall design, expressing their admiration for the Lucid Air Sapphire as a standout vehicle in the electric sedan market.
๐จ Porsche Design Studio's Diverse Product Portfolio
The podcast features a lighthearted segment where the hosts discuss the diverse and sometimes bizarre product offerings from Porsche Design Studio. They examine a selection of products, including a modern kitchen, an impact driver, a hospital bed, and a unique smoking pipe with a heat sink. The hosts engage in a trivia challenge to identify which of these products is not real, debating the authenticity of each item and sharing their thoughts on the design choices and practicality of the products. This segment showcases the unexpected range of Porsche Design Studio's portfolio and adds a fun, interactive element to the episode.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กNothing Phone 2A
๐กSpotify
๐กGoogle AI
๐กDurability
๐กRabbit R1
๐กPorsche 911
๐กLucid Air Sapphire
๐กAI Previews
๐กPorsche Design Studio
๐กCar Trivia
Highlights
Discussion about the Nothing Phone 2A's unique design and how it resembles a toy with its colorful accents.
Marquez and team delve into various internet stories and smaller tech updates including Spotify's new phone color and Google AI overviews.
A shoutout to a listener who found a specific video within two hours, showcasing the power of community engagement.
Correction from the previous episode about Microsoft's OLED screens being only on Surface Pro, not Surface Laptops.
Detailed opinions on the new Nothing Phone 2A special edition, focusing on its playful and colorful design.
Discussion about Google's AI overviews and the amusing, incorrect answers it generates, such as suggesting eating rocks.
Coffeezilla's investigation into the Rabbit R1 and the questionable practices behind its development.
Marquez's thoughts on the Porsche 911 hybrid, including his dislike for the new push-button start and fully digital tachometer.
Insight into the Lucid Air Sapphire, praised as the best driving electric car and possibly the best driving sedan ever made.
Comparison between hybrid and non-hybrid sports cars, particularly focusing on the driving dynamics and performance improvements.
Discussion on the potential future of Porsche's GT2 RS as a high-power, hybrid sports car.
Humorous take on how the new Porsche design changes might not align with what purists want.
Trivia question about the amount of RAM in the Spotify car thing, highlighting the unexpected low specs.
Showcasing Porsche Design Studio's unique and sometimes bizarre products, culminating in a trivia game to identify the fake item.
The potential impact of Lucid's financial backing on its ability to innovate and produce high-quality electric vehicles despite not making a profit.
Transcripts
just picture a subway map as a stained
glass
window okay picture picture Ronald
McDonald if he made a phone that's yeah
actually
yeah the Fisher Price car yeah but
flattened into a $250 truck that's a
nothing phone 2A yeah sure a great work
by p8 Monon but picture Mickey Mouse
with LEDs all right I think we all know
Marquez is in the ha it category for
sure
[Music]
there's yo what is going on people of
the internet welcome back to another
episode of the way for podcast we're
your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and
I'm David this week actually a
surprising amount of a lot of stuff
going on a lot of smaller stories
internet stories videos happenings and
we're going to talk about a whole bunch
of it cuz have thoughts and they're also
fun to talk about uh Spotify killing
some stuff a new phone color that I
think you can only have two possible
opinions on uh Google AI overviews
possibly ruining the internet we'll talk
about it coffeezilla reacting to the R1
this whole investigation going down the
rabbit hole also later miles is going to
join us we're going to talk about a new
car that recently got announced oh it's
a doozy but first there was a recent
bonus episode we just dropped it was
pretty sick there was you should
definitely watch it it was a lot of fun
um but in it I made a plea for somebody
to find me a video that I couldn't find
and it was about a Thanksgiving dinner
that was only peas and somebody found it
within like two hours so I have to shout
out Chris a for finding it thank you my
entire family now thinks I am a regular
sane person and not completely making
this entire thing you were imagining
that before they definitely didn't think
it was real well they just think you
weren't lying about this they still
think you're an okay maybe um there was
actually someone someone else in the
comment that's like I've also seen this
video and I can't find it please help me
find it but anyways it's there we'll put
it in the show notes but the last
episode was awesome I think everyone
should go listen to it also a quick uh
update not update correction from last
week's episode when we talked about
these Microsoft computers which I have
the Asus V VI book here that's running
on the arm chipset very that I've been
using for like a week um and I'm not
allowed to really talk about it but this
is what it looks like you can see it
anyway uh I had said that both the
Surface Pro and the surface laptops have
OLED and is only the pro but not the
laptops I just wanted to update that got
it okay um and I think I just misread
but now you know thank you guys for uh
pointing out everything and also thank
you guys for liking and subscribing we
appreciate you for doing that too smooth
w Wait I want to ask you guys because I
haven't actually gotten your official
opinions yet yes so this is the nothing
phone 2A special edition you know how
companies will do a colored version of a
phone to rejuvenate interest in a new
press cycle about their phone they
already made the classic OnePlus play
it's happened before say the nothing
phones have traditionally been black or
white with LEDs on the back what do you
think of this one it's really
colorful I think it kind of looks like a
kids toy and if you like that then you
like that I think it looks like an old
R2-D2 toy okay so I think so my theory
is is you can either love it or hate it
and I think you're both in the hate it
Camp
I'm
not okay never mind my theory is out
well no no no no I'm not saying like I I
kind of like it I'm just not going to
use a nothing phone that's like what's
kind of tough about it I like the colors
like okay If This Were A a design on a
keyboard where it's like I'm expecting
something pretty fun and like blue
yellow red some gray and white this
looks really good actually a pull it up
there's a keycap set that I ordered that
I'm still waiting on that this reminds
me of there are like two things that you
can do when you decide to buy a phone
you can either go I'm going to be boring
and it's going to be the black or the
white option or the manufacturer will
offer a really freaking weird color
that's like Mystic bronze and you're
like I'm going to go for that color or
Ellis got the purple iPhone 12 mini you
did uh yes and so I think that if you're
in the camp of I want the colorful
version then like this sticks out a lot
and it is really playful but if you're
in the camp of I just want to be minimal
and like chill then you're probably
going to get the black one or the white
one wow those are pretty sick those pair
very well together oh yeah it's this
keycap set called G gal do you have it
no it's in the or I ordered it it's um
how you
yeahman it's by a really awesome
designer named
Timothy be German don't crucify me this
is I don't know if you guys can see that
over there but this is a really sweet
keycap set and I think it's the colors
match like almost exactly on those
actually all are letters also trying to
figure out some top down photos of both
of
those all together yeah they would and
this phone it photographs well if you're
into the look it looks really
interesting and unique I also think my
other Theory I just like spewing
theories on I think I've realized when I
get the headphones and the microphone on
I'm just like I have a theory podcasts
are all about theories man another
theory uh people want the boring color
phone but they'll accessorize with a
different color case so if they want to
go crazy they'll put a bright case on if
they want to go back to normal they'll
put a normal looking case on their phone
they don't want a permanently bright
colored phone as much as a bright
colored case what color is my phone oh
it's gray you the fact that you didn't
even know the fact that you didn't even
know is perfect that's what they want
it's cuz last yeah yeah because it goes
with everything or
nothing if I will say I think I think if
I were to run a nothing phone 2A as my
main daily driver I would probably get
the special edition I think that's
pretty cool yeah yeah even though I
don't love love it I like it enough that
it's different enough from the regular
one that I think it's cool it it's funny
CU it looks like if Fisher PR price made
Toy teenage engineering products
McDonald phone yeah so nothing phone 2A
which is a big phone with those two eyes
in the center but now the interior
elements have like little blocks of
yellow squares and red circles and red
pills um yeah blue it looks like the
blue yeah around the I actually think
this would look better if they fully
went in with the color and all of this
gray was the blue instead yeah like I
think if they went all in with the color
not just the little tiny accents if
you're driving don't look this up if
you're doing the dishes maybe look this
up but yeah just search nothing phone
special uh 2A special you've probably
seen it if you're watching on social
media just picture a subway map as a
stained glass
window okay picture picture Ronald
McDonald if he made a phone that's yeah
actually
yeah the Fisher Price car yeah but
flattened into a $250 truck that's a
nothing phone 2A yeah sure a great work
by p8 mundon but picture Mickey
Mouse with LEDs all right I think we all
know Marquez is in the heed category for
sure there's a lot Mickey Mouse with
LEDs isn't that just dead
mouse damn Fair yeah wait I'm going to
I'm going to press the co-pilot button
and ask co-pilot to generate if Fisher
Price made a cell
phone made a teenage engineering cell
phone yeah how do I do that okay while
you're figuring that out okay I I
recently dropped a little thread on
Twitter of I got to visit some apple
Labs which is kind of interesting you
don't usually see the behind the scenes
of Apple that much other than what they
curate to show you in the keynote which
is very it feels behind the scenes but
it also feels staged oh yeah so this is
actually behind the scenes I got to walk
through a whole bunch of like literal
underground tunnels to get to these
places and saw a lot of how they
durability test phones and how they put
together testing to connect the device
before it comes out to the real world
which is interesting obviously we've
seen ip68 ratings on phones before but
seeing the machines they actually use to
blast water at the phone or like
pressurize it under X Ines of water for
x amount of time is cool to see um so I
I recommend checking out that thread
maybe the most interesting part is they
had a drop a drop test machine which is
just an industrial robot an Epson indust
for a robot that can drop the phone in
the exact same way every single time in
repeated way so that they can test it on
different surfaces on different angles
different materials and they have
extremely high frame rate cameras all
Phantoms and I kind of Ned out about
that for a little bit too that was fun
it's almost like they have the uh for
the surfaces they drop it on like our
all our debrand plates set up in like
the row of picking different things for
top down sets um and then instead of
filming on it they just have robot slam
a phone on it instead which is sick uh
there's also one
that I guess it's replicating different
vibration frequencies it's doing the Dr
Fuji yeah it's really hard it's hard to
capture on video because the the the
speed that it shakes kind of like syned
with my shutter speed at one point so it
looked like it wasn't moving at all or
that it was kind of like jello a little
bit so I had to like put my hand on it
so you could see my hand moving anyway
there's something very funny here about
seeing the Vision Pro on this machine
not breaking and then knowing that a ton
of Vision Pro split straight down the
middle just sitting in the case maybe by
a little too much air conditioning it's
fascinating cuz then now they have to go
back and like find a way to add that
test to their Suite so that they can for
the next Hardware actually not have that
problem um I talked to John turnis who's
the head of Apple like Hardware
engineering about a lot of this stuff I
brought that up I brought up like some
other durability things I think the most
interesting thing we ended up talking
about was this theory that I've had
about smartphones which is that
durability is a spectrum and on the
other side of durability is repair and
Apple has been the most aggressively all
the way on one side for so long where
they they literally vocalize their goal
of making the iPhone never have to be
repaired ever which is obviously crazy
cuz you can drop your phone and it'll
break but under normal use if you don't
drop your phone you can be submerged you
can be using it in extreme heat you can
use it in all sorts of conditions and
ideally to them you never have to repair
any part of your phone because it's that
durable and then you see the other side
of that Spectrum which is something like
the fair phone the fair phone's goal is
to be infinitely
repairable but the argument from Apple
is that's probably less durable and so
all the additional mass that you need to
repair over and over again might be not
what you want so there's it's a spectrum
of repairability versus durability which
I thought that was interesting it's
interesting if they can create a phone
that doesn't break they have not done
that yet and they need to get repaired
PL there wouldn't be a stink about right
to repair in apple if people's phones
weren't breaking yeah so like there's a
little bit of a I see so many broken
iPhones when you're the most market
share phone in the US people are
breaking I don't know why they have to
be so extreme though like the correct
answers probably somewhere in the middle
yeah so that's what we landed on and
what I talked about is Apple doesn't
have to be all the way at the extreme
they need to bump in a little bit from
the extreme because phones do still
break so people will still have to
repair especially the glass that's like
the most common thing that breaks on
people's phones is you have to be able
to repair the front glass the back glass
and that needs to be a part of how you
consider building a phone is people are
eventually going to have to replace the
glass yeah so moving it in from the
outer edges Good Start first step is
admitting you have a problem I think
back in like 2018 or so and uh Andrew
you're Andrew Adam and I made a video
for Ender Authority about how phones
should all switch to plastic again and
just permanently be plastic because then
because it has wireless charging
capabilities the back glass can't break
the only thing that could break is the
front glass it can break it's just like
harder to break doesn't it doesn't like
absolutely shatter and obliterate what
what like class does yeah I also did a
video around that time saying that we
should stop using phone numbers everyone
yelled at me stop using phone numbers
yeah that's a hard what would we use
usernames usernames
oh but no I was wrong the internet just
yelled at me so it's fine you were just
too early that's a fair take I mean it's
a very fair URLs are just IP addresses
but they're usernames instead of are
usernames not just numbers they could be
letters on my Google f when I to Swit
phones I just log Google and suddenly I
have service so like you know and like
signal I think recently switched to
usernames a lot of people are switching
to usernames so now you don't have to
and like if everything is either viip or
um Rich messaging then you don't need a
phone number anyway really so well a lot
of people were saying well the complete
tangent because we're not talking but
people were saying too that it's like in
other countries it's a lot easier to
like switch phone numbers and stuff you
just pop in another sim card and whatnot
but why can't you just do that with an
account too like I don't see what the
difference is anyway just saying
continue plastic phones speaking of
plastic things nice nice that was really
good thank you whoa yeah speaking of
things
yeah things Spotify double on don't ask
me how yeah Spotify Spotify killed car
things hey it's David and Ellis quick
update uh today is Thursday we recorded
on Wednesday and now news flash Spotify
is going to refund customers for the car
thing so just know that when you hear us
say that they're not they now are which
is better but still bad but better the I
I'm not shocked you're not well I'm
shocked at the way they went about it me
too you want to go over the details of
what own nothing and you will be happy
did you if that was you just described L
rossman's entire video pretty much um
which is a great video but um yes
Spotify is killing car thing if you
don't remember what car thing is because
it's kind of a weird name short lived it
was it was weirdly long lived because of
how poorly they released it cuz like it
technically came out in or they
announced it in
2019 but it like went through this phase
of they first gave it out for free to
some premium users then they put it up
for sale for only premium users and it
was one price then they put it up for
sale and it was another price for anyone
to get it um then they didn't sell any
so they slashed the price like in half
anyways though it it essentially it's
just a piece of Hardware that Spotify
created that connects via Bluetooth to
your phone to help your phone control
Spotify so like if you're in a car that
has an outdated infotainment system
rather than looking at your phone you
have this nice little dial and screen to
put on your dashboard a lot of people
these days and we weird they have talked
about this product recently because I
keep comparing the R1 it's a Spotify car
thing um and people will set it up at
like their desk so if they want to
control music that they're listening to
while they're working they don't have to
have like go into separate Windows to
change things they just have this nice I
think it also has a voice assistant as
well it's it's a nicely made and presets
yeah it's a nice little thing but they
just announced that December this year
they it will just stop working
completely everyone who owns one it will
not work anymore no refunds no credits
no open sourcing the thing it is just
going to stop working completely it's so
insane like there's precedent for things
eventually that you buy eventually stop
working like video game servers get
turned off eventually and all of these
things but usually it's like 10 years
after it was put out and even with video
games and stuff it's usually just like
oh the multiplayer doesn't work anymore
yeah or Kim Kardashian's mobile game
which is now shut down as of like last
week um yeah I don't know it's crazy
that you can buy something like two
years ago and it just they're just
bricking it for everybody to me it feels
like this flopped so
hard just trying to bury it and pretend
it never happened just like those uh the
ET video games out in the Nevada
desert I think they're doing a bad job
of burying it to never think about it
again because they caused a stink with
this like it it was 90 bucks which sucks
it obviously sucks if you pay $90 and
just get it bricked in like 2 years um I
don't know why there's literally
precedent for this already where Google
killed stadia and gave everyone
essentially full refunds or credit for
everything correct how do you not just
give everyone who bought one of these
like 6 months of Spotify Premium credit
at the least yeah or their money back or
their money back I mean like that would
be the easier way of just being like man
we barely sold any of these just give
everyone 90 bucks back or half of them
they sold at like 40 bucks give all that
money back and don't have to deal with
this what if in instead you got
0.00001 Cent per
stream I'm
in I'm in but uh yeah so not only did
they say it's going to stop working they
also recommend to reset it to factory
settings and then safely dispose your
device at the following local electronic
waste guidelines like they straight up
were just like pretend it reset this
thing and Pitch it bury it in your
backyard yeah anything but leaving it
your car please forget this exists
forget that we sold this to you and
still love us I just don't know why they
wouldn't open source this I don't either
it's unless it has like some proprietary
information inside that would like be
detrimental to the rest of their
products maybe I could see that but like
there's such a niche community of people
who love this thing that are doing such
cool things with it and all they're
asking for is for that to be open source
so they can just keep still be there
yeah like just make it open source so
people can use it it's a wellmade little
device I think it probably was just bad
timing because with cars getting better
infotainment systems and having like
Android auto and carplay it's less
necessary I know people who use these I
know people who use them as computer
controls and they like it this is the
thing it's like they're saying they're
discontinuing it as part of their
ongoing efforts to streamline their
product offerings and it's like they
discontinued the product a long time ago
they can have no employees working on
the product and just say well the
warranty was up a year ago so we don't
owe you anything but why do they have to
Brick everyone's like I there might be
like some backend change that's like
going to stop it from working with
Spotify but they could also just put out
a statement that be like sorry like it
won't work with Spotify anymore but feel
free to use it as you see like fit yeah
there should be some way that you can
still use this thing you spent 90 bucks
on whether it's directly through
spotify's own support of it I I'm sure
they're probably doing something with
that all it does is connect to Spotify
and control they're probably changing
something to where I can't do that
anymore Yeah well considering it's
supposed to go out of commission in
December hopefully in that time people
figure out a way to like get Rude access
and mess with it and get rid of the get
rid of the bricking process I'm pretty
sure they already have root access
someone found but it's like there's
weird limitations and stuff and they
can't really do certain
things bummer yeah they're trying to
they're trying to pretend it doesn't
exist they're air powering it except
this would be like if they actually out
ofir I bet if Spotify had the ability
they would send people out to collect
them to like take them back to then
sorry yeah no no more well LS rossman's
uh recommendation was to ship it to the
Spotify
headquarters listed on their website um
yeah what's funny is them bricking this
felt like the most I've ever heard about
Spotify car thing definitely like when
it launched and it's when it died and
the death is like just as loud as it's
launch yeah unfortunately Hardware is
hard people were very upset about it
very upset about it yeah they should be
yeah I get it we pay for things and we
don't know how long they'll last anymore
speaking of we'll talk about something
similar to that right after trivia in
the break wow that was a that was a
quick one we are on fire nice for
Segways right now I I'll do a good one I
promise okay you're on the clock David
so Spotify car thing is now dead rest in
peace but it was awesome Ellis wants to
hack it and do a bunch of stuff with it
but there's one thing he should probably
know before doing
stuff with it I didn't finish the
sentence how much RAM does it come with
oh o o I have a guess this going to be
in good because the answer is a
guess I don't know if there are dims
that have megabytes of ram made anymore
so we'll see half a gig of RAM yeah dang
dang it didn't need much RAM I'll think
just a little screen well we'll get to
the answers at the end like usual but
until then we'll Bear right
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back all right welcome back uh Google's
AI overviews that were launched at
IO are generating the most insane
answers I have ever seen which is very
fun um if you didn't know there was this
Google project called search generative
experience that was live for about a
year in the labs function of Google
which I forgot about because I turned it
on immediately and didn't realize that
not everybody had that constantly same
and what would happen is you would make
a Google Search and now this is
happening for everyone you make a Google
Search and now instead of just a bunch
of links showing up and maybe a little
Google sidebar that has some information
in on the side you just get this popped
up AI Gemini based generated window that
tries to answer your question for you
lots of existential questions built into
there as we've talked about before like
Publishers being disincentivized to
actually do those things in some of
these queries you get the AI answer and
then you also get a giant window with
Google shopping and it just fills up the
entire page uh or at least the entire
visible page until you start scrolling
and that just is really a big problem
for the entire internet however the
funnier part about this
is that because this is a large language
model that is generating these
answers it uh just confidently lies
because has no idea what it's saying uh
and is just predicting an answer and uh
over the last week people have have been
finding some very very very funny uh
answers for all of this stuff so this
reminds me of like when Bing first
introduced the like chatbot and people
were just like having a fi day with it
for a week and this is my favorite part
about AI so far is watching it break in
hilarious ways every now and then when
it breaks in a really funny way the
internet just has a f day with it so uh
the AP did a little bit of an
investigation on it and just tried to
parse it a lot they asked it if cats
have been on the moon and it said yes
astronauts have met cats on the moon
played with them and provided care for
example Neil Armstrong said one stall
step for man because it was a cat's step
like a wait that one's real yeah that
one's real that one in the AP article
it's because it was a cat step yeah
because small step per man because it's
a cat step has anyone asked Neil if
that's what he meant are we sure this
could be true
no they did the Russians did send a dog
into space but as far as I know I don't
know about cats on the moon um yeah
someone also said how many rocks shall I
eat and um uh said according to
geologists at UC Berkeley you should eat
at least one small rock per day they say
that what they say that rocks are a
vital source of minerals and vitamins
that are important for Digestive Health
Dr Joseph Granger and this is what this
is what I'm saying this is like so
confidently lying to you Dr Joseph
Granger suggests eating a serving of
gravel
geodes and Pebbles with each meal wait
wait wait in Google ai's defense this is
from an article I know yeah wait what
article this article literally says
geologist recommend eating at least one
small rock is an onion article right no
I'll post it in s hold on read the rest
of it though because I really like yeah
okay uh eating a serving of gravel
geodes or Pebbles with each meal or
hiding rocks in foods like ice cream or
peanut
butter you we eat rocks like dogs eat
medicine oh my God so uh it was an onion
article is this an onion article I'm on
something called res .c yeah that page
was summarizing and referencing the
onion article it also right now has an
update that says Welcome to our AI video
visitors oh thank you to the onion for
amusing content linked above that's so
funny yeah um we got things like cheese
not sticking to pizza and the answer was
cheese can slide off pizza for a number
of reasons including too much sauce too
much cheese or thicken sauce here are
things you can try you can add about an
e/ of a cup of non-toxic glue to the
sauce to give it more tackiness hey hey
hey it said non-toxic it did uh okay in
which case a reporter uh mixed Elmer's
Glue into her sauce and made a pizza and
ate it did it stick it did stick nice
and was it tasty she fine she ate it so
it sounds like the AI was right on this
one I don't see the
problem I yeah okay uh one more I want
to bring up are parachutes effective
parachutes are no more effective than
backpacks at preventing death or major
in injury When jumping out of an
aircraft yeah so um there have been a
few fake ones that people have been
circulating on social media because
they're sort of capitalizing on it and
to you I say bad no don't do that
because uh you know it's already funny
enough you don't need to fake it when
there's already a lot of humor out there
Google said in a statement on Friday
that it was taking Swift action to fix
errors that violate its content policies
and it will develop broader improvements
that are already rolling out however
wait sorry continue um I no I mean I
just right now what they're doing is
they're seeing these social media posts
that people are putting up about these
and they're just manually patching those
queries so that they either don't
develop and don't give an AI answer at
all or they change it manually and you
can't do that for every query that you
can you could write an AI that could do
that oh God are you rabbiting you're
rabbiting
which then like so I don't know man it's
it's insane to me that Google's main
product is search and that's where
they've made all of their money
traditionally throughout time and they
only scale as a company because more
devices keep coming online that can use
search or other search products like
AdSense or YouTube and they're they
completely changed this product force it
on everyone and its
core purpose it's just messing up like
time and time again can I can I ask a
question about this statement sure okay
so it says taking Swift action to fix
errors that violate its content policies
so that means like the errors it's
making are violating its own policies
yeah probably by recommending dangerous
things like backpacks okay okay cuz I'm
like what content policies are these is
the onion it's not it's just that it's
getting scraped from yeah yeah Jesus
this is so funny so many thoughts I mean
I remember the beginning of this
conversation when we had like Bing going
completely nuts and we're like well it's
Bing so
like they have a lot to gain people are
going to try it anyway they're going to
keep using it and Google would never do
anything like this because they have so
much to lose Google search is their
thing like they're going to take it
extremely slow probably too slow at the
expense of like trying to be correct all
the time and now here we are it's like
they clearly felt the pressure they Rush
this thing out and it's hallucinating
just like every other large language
model and when people ask for ADV and I
just like you I've been using the labs
thing so I've had these AI suggestions
for a long time yeah I had never
personally seen anything like eat glue
or rocks or anything like that but if
you try hard enough you I'm sure can get
it to hallucinate and say I also ignored
like most of the AI answers that gave me
anyway I so I'd Google like facts all
the time and often I'd get the AI
suggestion at the top and it would
either say something kind of useful or a
few times it would directly contradict
the second thing in search which was the
like Google suggested top answer you
know how sometimes it pulls like a top
answer sometimes it would contradict
that and I would just have to keep
scrolling like this this whole first
half of the page was useless I need to
figure out the actual answer you learn
research yeah yeah so it is weird to see
Google come so quickly towards this uh
this rushed thing that's clearly weird I
think it's something David and I were
talking about yesterday about how we
have been saying that same thing that
Google's taking the slow approach almost
like the Apple like feature approach of
like let's make it perfect we're not the
first we're not innovating we're just
the polished yeah and Google Now having
all these terrible answers like Bing
makes it look in like a weaker spot
because before it was like Google's the
biggest they've been doing AI forever
what they're going to release is going
to be awesome they've got something
Brewing now you release something that
tells you to eat rocks that cats are on
the moon and that glue should go on your
pizza and you're like oh my God is this
what they've been brewing the whole time
maybe that they're not as far ahead as
we thought they were I mean I want to
not that in Google's defense Bing is
still really bad like very really bad I
have a bing page up right now and it's
like one of the worst ux designs I've
ever seen and it also is filled an
entire page with random ads and random
AI generated answers um but Google has
92% market share so they have a lot to
lose and being the search company that's
founded on being accurate and then just
throwing that all out the window and
completely moving on to the Gemini era
just seems like a bad idea pretty bold
pretty bold yeah yeah so hey how about
we don't pay journalists making money on
their articles and also get everything
they write wrong at the same time what a
double citing Onion articles is just
hilarious that is so funny like we a
couple weeks ago we talked about how the
AI needs a way to fact check itself this
must be the hardest problem in the
industry like it's so obvious that it
needs this but none of them can do it so
it's whoever on this long and we'll get
to the whole rabbit thing but it is
really fny that they're going it said
cats were on the moon go change that one
go jump in the system and like make sure
it doesn't talk about that again and
like that's clearly the best fix they
have now if they're not if they're not
nuking this whole feature and they just
have to keep manually doing it until
they figure out how to actually have it
fact checking so this seems I was
talking to a software engineering friend
about this this weekend and it's like
they they are such in such a hard place
right now because they both can't get
rid of this and go back because the
entire IO was just about this feature
basically and they're also saying it's
their number one Play moving forward as
a company and they also kind of have to
scrape this if they scrap this if they
want to maintain their credibility so
are we going to see a statement from
them or like it just insane to me that
the that they had that Gemini debacle
where they wouldn't make founding
fathers who were like their original
skin tone and and everyone was pissed
about that and they put out this
statement that was like this is
unacceptable we cannot do this and then
they do like this thing which is
completely destroying their entire
product and they're not saying it's
unacceptable that it's telling you to
eat rocks and eat glue new
Theory I don't know why this mic makes
me new Theory Google has a crisis team
that is helping them do neither of those
options they're not going to completely
scrap it but they're not going to like
keep going full tilt but this entire
team's purpose is to try to break it as
often as possible and manually interject
and remove the AI results for the ones
that would tell you to eat rocks and all
kind but there's unlimited queries you
can make that's which is why they need a
crisis team because they can't delete
the whole feature as you said but they
have to leave it there so crisis team do
your thing like keep on top of this
people will constantly find ways to
break it and you need to immediately be
like we're sorry this one didn't work
we're always trying to get better and
then go in there and like make sure it
doesn't keep saying weird stuff yeah
there's something kind of cool about
trillion billion million doll companies
coming out with these products that they
swear they've tested so much on so many
different levels and within a week of
hitting the public market just the
average person absolutely destroying
these things that is the bane of every
Product Company yeah it's fun to watch
yeah um we think we've tested it into
Oblivion and then week one somebody just
never even thought possible yeah that's
everything yeah it's pretty cool um if
you hate these AI previews like I do I
think the thing I hate most about them
is now when I search I have to wait for
that to load like AI previews have just
introduced loading back into my life and
I hate that generating answer and then
it slowly trickles it's so annoying um
it's like we're back in the age of like
dialup almost but um Emma Roth at The
Verge did a great article of just a
bunch of different ways that you can
kind of eliminate the AI uh preview in
it um including
like a website called 10 Blue Links that
kind of has a way to change the default
search engine in your browser so
anything you search in the address bar
it'll just bring up a a Google search
that won't include that um but we'll
link it in the show notes there's a
couple other different ways including
some Chrome extensions but if you hate
AI previews like I do and I'm sure a lot
of people do there's a bunch of cool
ways to just kind of like semi hacky get
around it also we mentioned that in the
I we mentioned this in the iio episod
but you know how they have the like
little tools where it's like search for
news or videos or weather they now have
a web button so good that when you press
it just shows links it's just old school
Google back in my day we only had links
yeah yeah back in my day I had to I had
to Google a question and then look for
the answer yeah like I that was a skill
I had to have yeah now you need to
Google it get an answer have someone
tell you it's wrong go back and see why
it's wrong and then the answer yeah like
this is the number one way that I was
testing the Humane pin and the rabbit Ai
and now probably these is by asking it
things I already know the answer to
because if you don't know the answer you
might not realize how inaccurate of
answers you're getting but the second
you answer it ask it three or four
things that you're an expert in and you
get weird answers you're like oh I need
to actually fact check this stuff before
I just trust what it says to me yeah I
definitely ate a couple small rocks and
it was not a good time yeah
yeah and then I found the article yeah
uh you were noting that this is like
probably the hardest thing for Google to
fix and I will say that if not even the
internet can discer discern when people
are being sarcastic right like this is
this is already the biggest problem with
social media is you'll say something
that you think is obviously sarcastic
every single human being takes you
literally because there is no sarcasm on
the internet how can we expect an AI to
know what's sarcastic on the
internet manually tell them anything
from the onion never scrape the on
that's like step one like obviously if
you if this thing learned to fact check
itself it would go yeah I found an
article it's right here at the onion.com
says and it would see that's my source
and that's what it says so I fact check
myself and it would still believe it's
right so it needs some additional yeah
filtering yeah there because Reddit and
the onion are both going to be sarcastic
all the time like the uh the put glue in
your pizza came from a Reddit com did it
actually that feels like a Reddit com
came directly from a Reddit comment and
the funniest thing about it was that it
was a Reddit comment that had like three
up votes from 6 years ago that person
probably feels like they changed the
world yeah they're like wait Google is
tell wait I think I've told people to do
that like a long time ago they made a
random joke on Reddit 5 years ago and
now it's blown up that is really funny
that's my nightmare
yeah what joke did I make six years ago
that I'm yeah yeah well speaking of
incorrect answers that was weaker that
that one was weaker but and that was
supposed to be D David's a slack oh did
you have a better no but it was just my
turn cuz you guys both did one hey go
for
it for
it okay it's harder than it I was impr
preed you know
um Ellis has hand on the buzzer or the
ding so no pressure
okay I don't know I don't know whatever
speaking of large AC large language
models yeah and people taking action on
these large language models uh I like it
that was good friend of the show thank
you it was very simple but effective our
a friend of the show coffeezilla uh is
has been doing an investigation on the
rabbit R1 and the history of those
company that company wait is he a friend
of the show yeah I was like wait I've
never talked I've never talked to him
well he's a friend of the show cuz he
mentioned us in his video oh true he
mentioned Marquez yeah that's us man
look we are
we're the porcelain Angels don't you
know yeah well we we like coffee Zilla I
thought friend of the show had to mean
that they had previously been on the
show he should definitely it would be
awesome to have him it would beol on the
show but I feel like if I were him and
then he was like he was like I'm not
their friend yeah yeah so it was
interesting to see coffeezilla tackle
something that we have been tackling for
a long period of time because it's
always been I've been watching him since
like 2020 is when he was doing all the
crypto scam stuff which he's still doing
obvious ly but uh you know that felt
like a very separate part of my
interests where like yes I'm into Tech
and crypto is technically part of that
Tech but it's not something that I look
at like day-to-day so it's fun to like
exist in this world where you're
watching videos about things that are
adjacent to what you're into um but also
him just go super hard into them so then
him tackling something that we have been
tackling and like put a clip from our
review in the video and stuff was very
cool mhm um so do you want to kind of
summarize everything that's been going
on with that
yeah I'll I'll try so I think if you
don't know who coffeezilla is like David
mentioned is he normally does crypto nft
scams and and like David said I love
watching those videos but I don't know
anything about it so seeing something
that we know a little he explains them
and exposes them yes not doing the SK oh
yeah he's investigating and sharing his
findings that would be the best last
coffeezilla episode ever was that he's
actually been scamming people in crypto
the entire time and investigates himself
um but yeah yeah like you he looks over
so like you don't need to know about
crypto he explains it to you and then
how they skimmed but to have a little
more uh knowledge here about Rab in R1
we've covered it a lot and we have one
seeing him do it was really cool um it's
if you don't know him though if
somebody's doing a video or if you're
the subject of a coffeezilla video it's
not a good thing no no and this was I
think after we did the R1 stuff there
was a couple tweets about how Jesse was
part of an nft project beforehand but
not a lot came out of it so we never
reported on it cuz it was like a couple
tweets seems like coffee went in a lot
deeper and did report on that now um we
don't want to go too too deep into
everything but we'll talk a little bit
about both videos um but you should
definitely go watch both of these the
first one is mostly about an nft project
that Jesse was a part of called gamma
and the company that owns gamma got
changed into rabbit so there is a
connection here between a non-
delivering nft project I also want to
note that on a previous episode a long
time ago I had mentioned that uh rabbit
had only been created like 8 months
prior and a lot of people in the comment
section were like you're wrong it's
actually been around since 2020 but what
actually happened was gamma was around
since 2020 uh it was called it's not
called gamma gma's the project and cyber
something
cybernetics whatever the other yeah yeah
they just changed the name of their
corporation to Rabbit Inc eight months
prior to recording the episode The Cyber
manufacturer company yeah so like it
wasn't it it a completely different
product so just because you just because
you changed the name of the company and
you're saying that it's the same company
like it's a different company but
whatever it's the same company under the
law but completely different company
functionally yeah yeah um so yeah first
first video was about the nft project
that and some weird crypto coin that
never happed in so they never
technically made a cryptocoin but they
wanted to make a a what was it a like
green a it was a um carbon car neutral
carbon negative or carbon negative
coin yeah sounds cool right yeah so I
just
I I've I've been I've been ignoring nft
projects with my whole heart for so long
yeah so I did I people had TW tweeted at
me oh did you know that Jesse the
co-founder of rabbit is was also doing
this nft project honestly no I didn't
know I didn't care I whatever A lot of
people did nft projects but then I
watched the coffeezilla video of the nft
project that they bailed on and I'm
watching it I'm like how did anyone
think any of this was a good idea well
that's the question about every nft
project you can ask that about literally
I have to say the gam one was actually
not the craziest one I've ever heard of
yeah yeah there's there's a spectrum of
how ridiculous they sound and it starts
with you sound dumb and it gets even
dumber from there and some of these were
like further than normal dumb sounding
to yeah so I yeah I totally I think I
can answer your question because no one
cares what the nft project does they
care about how much money they can
potentially make off of said nft project
off of other people that invest in the
nft and I think when he says on
clubhouse things along the lines of like
um we really believe in this if you
don't believe in all buy back your
whatever like he made all these
interesting statements that felt very
much like they were going to go through
it right he said all the right phrases
you're supposed to say to make it sound
like
this yeah yeah and then we saw how that
went we did um and then the second ep
the second episode for everyone that
watches us and is more interested in
rabbit was way more about the rabbit R1
and large action models the lamb in the
background and yeah or if there's a lamb
in the
um which you might know a little bit
more about uh vaguely um I'm not one of
these people that had like gone into the
rabbit and like checked out what they
were using uh in the video he describes
the fact that they are using this
application called playright in the
cloud in the VM uh which is basically
manually going around a website and
clicking on areas so the way that they
described the large action model in the
first place was that it just semantic
Bally understands what buttons are what
buttons so that it doesn't and he said
this it doesn't he says it doesn't
matter if they change their ux design
because it semantically understands
that's the play button so if it gets
moved five pixels to the left it's still
there uh but what people are now saying
is that they're basically just using
this playright application which is like
a scripting application where you
manually tell the program this is where
the play button is click this button so
yeah it's like an Enterprise program
that's used a lot yeah or it's like Auto
hotkey that kind of stuff but for like
websites and they're not hiding that
they're using playright but no I guess
the question not anymore now well yeah
not anymore but the question is where
along the line is the large action model
talking to the if it exists talking to
the playright and the auto clicking scpt
because like a perfect example of what
you just said how it not working is
didn't door Dash break already because
something Uber broke door Dash broke
yeah uh Uber introduced like a CAPA
and it just stopped working because it
couldn't figure out how to do the
caption and I think door Dash moves some
things so when you ask it to order door
Dash it's just like door Dash is under
maintenance right now and the door desk
rabbit is under maintenance yeah which
means it's not working mhm um the one of
the four things that it actually sort of
can do so rabbit says that yes they use
playright but they use it in tandem with
lamb and look this this all just starts
to feel more and more sketchy because
near on the day that the R1 actually
came out there was a big leak where
people were saying the lamb doesn't
exist at all and then Jesse made a
statement saying well the reason that
you didn't find it is because the lamb
is in a separate server somewhere else
and it's just accessing that server she
goes to a different
college she go she goes to a different
school yeah yeah and it's just like I
don't know the problem is they won't
just come out and show and like say and
show everything they just say a lot of
things like it totally exists but they
won't show anything and when pushed on
this their response was basically we
don't really want to tell you how it
works because unless you're an AI
engineer you're not going to understand
it and it's not going to be of value to
you yeah bad response it's like if you
have nothing to hide then don't hide it
just put it out there I also wouldn't
have to understand how it worked if it
worked
yeah yeah valid exactly and so I don't
know I I also think that uh the product
itself was sold on all of these false
promises in the video that he did he
basically did the commercial versus
reality thing where he asked it every
query that they asked in that really
hype Sizzle video where they were
blurring out what the rabbit actually
looked like during CES there was like
order nuber oh and also tell my friends
I'm going to be late that was delicious
what can I have for dessert with it and
he like tried every query and it was so
funny cuz when he was like tell my
friends I'm going to be late the rabbit
was basically like do it yourself yeah
one of them was like we suggest you do I
suggest you manually text your friends
and it was like okay cool so what it
seems like the world's greatest
assistant what it seems like is it seems
like the rabbit is just a jet chat GPT
box that is using a scripting tool to
manually interact with websites didn't
we determine it's a it's a perplexity
box it's both it has both it's both they
added perplexity like right before they
dropped it um but very funny thing
there's also a line in the code that
says do not say Do not disclose that I
am a
lolm created by open AI like they
explicitly blocked out its ability to
say I'm a chat chpt box which I found
very funny also one other funny fact I
know yeah if you're playing Spotify on
it and you say play anything they also
manually wrote it in so that it always
plays The Beatles which is a choice well
I think they did that because if you
said play anything I don't think that
Spotify has a function to just play
anything on Spotify I think if you asked
Spotify to play anything it could if you
literally just said play anything on
Spotify it could play something horrible
oh something like in all of spotify's
Library it's not it might be like safe
and like pick a top pick something truly
horrible my theory is different it would
find something with the word anything s
called or literal world but like if you
go to YouTube for example and if you
said if you like shuffle and play any
video it could be anything could be
literally anything well I love the
random button on
Wikipedia do you think that's curated or
truly random it's That Is Random TR
freaking random yeah but but what are
their guidelines like people can't just
I guess I don't know I get what you're
saying there are some messed up YouTube
videos there are probably some messed up
audio or just like not nice for your
ears not even music audio on Spotify
you're telling it to play anything like
that's kind of on you right uh I think
people will ass will associate it like
negatively with rabbit if you say rabbit
play anything and then it plays you like
a speech for some like old political
dict horrible thing or just like why did
rabbit I think there's just not a
function to do that right because like
Spotify itself doesn't have a random
song on Spotify button can a large
action model not figure out what it just
means I need something random
theoretically there potentially is no
large action model yeah yeah but rabbit
I think this this was their solution to
being safe about it where if someone
says play anything that person is
probably just testing it and let's just
give them a Beetles song something safe
like there's a huge catalog of things we
could play for them and they'll try it
once or twice and it'll be nice and
it'll give them a Beatle song and
they'll move on with their life and if
we that's like the safe way of doing it
and if you truly had a function that
could play anything and you just trusted
it to literally play anything that could
go wrong in a lot of ways for them so I
think they're like let's be safe so my
question is like the idea of a large
action model actually does make sense
and I think it is something that you
could build so my question now is like
did they just launch this because they
wanted to like build on the hype and get
all the funding from the really hype
moment of everyone talking about Ai and
they were afraid they couldn't get
funding later and they just figured
let's just hardcode this stuff until we
figure it out I think is that what
they're doing I think if you ask me you
know I've I I also had like a bit of
Hope for this idea like the large
language model seemed to make more sense
than other versions that I'd been seeing
but I think it's this company felt the
pressure of investors and the pressure
of the timing and the pressure of all
these things to just release something
before iio before WWDC before whatever
and they got something out but as we
said in our review is just nowhere near
what they were promising and they had
enough hope that they could say the
right things long enough to get them
some time to keep pushing some upates to
make it do more stuff and so they could
show progress and they could show ay
trajectory if we keep going at this rate
we'll have they had the ability to say
the right things for a long enough time
I I think a perfect example of like
again we've talked about how bad the
product is itself but like coffee did
the thing where he kind of did like
commercial versus reality before we got
the Humane pin or the rabbit R1 we were
like a banger video is going to be like
our old assistant Battle of like rabbit
and Humane versus Google Assistant we
had both of them in and I was like
Marquez was doing a Content we were like
all like talking about content coming up
and I was like oh are we doing that
video and Marquez is like why neither of
them do anything like it would just be
so boring to just watch them do nothing
it's not even a competition we just
never made the video worth it yeah I
imagine that they're just trying to buy
time to actually build the product
because they are they are a company
right like they they're a legit company
that sells Hardware mhm and they have
100,000 users or whatever how many they
actually sold and they can't they're not
just like an nft project where they can
just rug pull you and disappear into the
ether and nobody knows any better and
you were using a pseudonym the whole
time like his profile is out there like
he's a very public CEO of their name is
attached to it build people people yeah
so it seems like it would be way riskier
to never plan to actually build the
thing that you promised at all and I
imagine that they're just trying to buy
time to actually build it he did it with
gamma already though with his name yeah
like I would I would argue the opposite
of that is just because he had an nft
project doesn't mean he can't build
something cool but the fact that he had
a project that he promised and never
delivered on and now has a new project
that doesn't meet the promises on I have
a hard time believing he'll deliver on
those products because within the last 3
years he already proved he's willing to
not deliver on the products I uh I'm
going to get halal food for lunch and my
lunch is going to be so much more in
tandem with lamb than anything rabbit is
ever going to do how you you've leaned
towards the microphone like eight times
is that what you've been no I had an
even worse joke actually that one just
came to me the worst one is what do you
what do you call it when you ask the
rabbit something and it doesn't respond
to you at all which happens sometimes
it's the Silence of the Lamb oh my God
okay all right good take the microwave
oh my God that was a that's a great
YouTube title that's a it is a good
Silence of the Lamb Silence of the Lamb
you think about a business we can make a
video fa um my analogy for for the
rabbit is they have shown us all a CGI
video of a humanoid robot walking around
doing a bunch of cool stuff yeah but
then they accidentally promised they had
to ship it tomorrow so what they shipped
was a human in a robot suit the Tesla
bot human dancer where it like can't
really do any of the things yeah well
actually what it really is is a
marionette it's like one person trying
to control everyone's and it clearly
can't do everything so it fails most of
the time and if you ever pull back the
curtain you just see that it's like not
what you were promised yeah so yeah
could we argue so like they released
something that had about four functions
right it had like the four connections
apps but only like two of them worth at
all that's and they said more are coming
yet since it released two of those are
now broken right correct so it literally
has less than what happened when it
first got shipped can I still go to
hold. rabbit. Tech great start yeah it's
still around still works yeah but I'm
just I'm wondering if there are any new
applications in there by now I doubt
it but so right door Dash broke
and what is Uber oh and Uber broke so
yeah it could do four things mhm and now
it can do two things yeah not great nice
my my favorite still the same thing
about all of this was just before the
videos even came out coffee tweeted a
picture of like a a police officer
interrogating someone it just says is
the large action model in the room with
us right
now um he also though Jesse did reply to
all of this and said that he believes
coffee is biased and that he didn't
include all the stuff that they
exchanged in emails and then cof did a
video on his second Channel literally
reading every single email so if you
want to see what all of the emails are
you can go see it it's 45 minutes and
it's a long one so I doubt most people
will watch it but I did watch the whole
thing and it's seemed like he reported
on everything that they told him and
made the corrections that he needed to
make so yeah I don't know the
interesting thing about this is that
Jesse's like Persona around all of this
like when he came to our studio and
talked to us about this he was saying
how like oh you know you know like 99%
of startups fail and there's a very high
chance that we'll fail and that at the
time almost made him seem like more down
to earth when you compare yourself to
like Humane who was just like we are the
future of technology you will all use
our new product uh however now kind of
looking back on it it's like considering
he's such a Serial startup CE like CEO
guy and he just like makes a ton of
money off of investors and people who
are just like buying into his product
being okay with the fact that your
company fails as much as possible and
just moving on to the next thing and
keeping like making money off investors
is pretty lame I I think to put it
lightly that felt like the uh that
reminded me of like the Elon SpaceX
comment a long time ago of like SpaceX
will probably never really work but like
we are going to create all these things
at someone down the line and it makes
we'll like be able to use and then we're
helping that forward because we really
believe in
it feels more like a like look at me Mr
down to earth yeah he said that about
and it's actually really good Marketing
in he said that about Tesla too because
for a long period of time people are
like why are you like investing in all
of this technology that other people can
just come in and use and then you have
all these like all these competitors
that'll make Tesla like Le less relevant
and he's just said multiple times like
well if it moves us towards a more green
earth and that's like really the goal of
Tesla like I don't really care about the
company but I he cares about the company
you know you know we're about the we're
in a dark place if we're like you know
who has some really ethical business
philosophies compared to this guy on
tche yeah so I don't know man we'll see
if they run out of money because I don't
think anyone is buying any more of these
rabbits from here on out there has been
so much negative press about it yeah
they probably sold their last R1 at this
point everyone should go watch everyone
should go watch the videos and come up
with their own conclusion on it watch
the C videos watch our reviews watch
what people have said who own the thing
see how rabert responds to all of it as
well yeah and also watch
trivia have you just that was pretty
good that pretty good was good after the
break miles is going to join us to talk
about Porsche which I hilariously
miswrote as
proch in my notes um Porsche and as some
of you may know Porsche actually has a
design studio that makes consumer
products very expens so expensive that
maybe consumer is the wrong word they're
insane they're unbelievably expensive um
but when we come back for answers I'm
going to show sh you I'm going to sh you
I'm going to show you four Porsche
Design Studio products and you have to
tell me which one is fake that's
interesting I recently looked through
the entire Porsche Design catalog shoot
change the question absolutely not but
it's such a big catalog going to
misremember something probably it's like
hundreds and hundreds of things okay so
they have sent us a lot of things as
well to the point where I had to be like
no you're thinking of well okay think of
Porsche Design like collabs like a
Huawei Porsche Design mate 30 with the
studio it's with that same studio is
that what you're referring to cuz
Porsche also has a store of like a
Porsche handbag a Porsche umbrella a
Porsche whatever so I'm not sure if
that's the same Design Studio or not but
am in fact I'm not I don't have any
phones on my list I figured that was too
easy okay uh but I am referring to the
design studio that collabs so like an
example that's not on the list that I
can confirm is real uh uh Porsche Design
Studio and the famous German piano maker
bosendorfer have made several yeah just
gorgeous piano like a million dollars I
don't know if they're that much but
expensive it's the kind of thing that
that you're not buying unless you're
really about that life
yeah um but we'll have to get to that
we'll brainstorm it yeah so start
thinking and uh we'll be back after the
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break all right welcome back we are
joined by Miles and David's still here
with us and we're talking cars again
again we had some some new car
announcements this week actually and we
we mainly just want to talk about one of
them yeah I'll I'll summarize I'll
summarize the announcement and then we
can talk about our thoughts about that
yeah let's do it so so Porsche announced
the newest generation of the 9911 their
iconic sports car uh Porsche 911 gets
updated every couple of years and
there's a huge lineup but they gave us
two of the the base cars the Carrera and
the g Carrera
GTS and it's a hybrid for the first time
now this car has not been a hybrid in
its entire existence the 911 has always
been internal combustion whether it's
turbocharged or not but this first
hybrid version people were very curious
about because Porsche always makes the
tiniest refinement changes to the 911
and this hybrid thing has a reputation
for making cars heavier and maybe a
little bloated and a little over
Technical and so we were curious how
Porsche was going to do it so they gave
us these two base cars they have way
more total horsepower than before they
seem to have uh pretty solid solution
small 2 KW battery uh two electric
motors I believe one of them is working
with the single smaller turbo instead of
having twin turbo they it seems like a
pretty good solution only adds 50 kgs to
the cars and they also Chang some Design
Elements to the front to the back to the
interior and that's the new cars we
don't know what the rest of the 911
lineup like the turbo or Turbo S will
look like that's later announcements
down the road but and and also we don't
expect a fully electric 9911 anytime
soon that might not be another two
generations but we have the first hybrid
sports cars from
Porsche now our feelings on them I I'll
start with my thoughts I never thought I
would become that guy because I've I've
watched so many Porsche videos like this
is what happened when I when I went into
like the if I wanted to buy this car or
not as I watched every video that's ever
been made about the 911 and there is
this section of YouTube where it's it's
like purists who only like the older
generation 911s and they're like the new
one that thing sucks the old ones that's
where it's at I'm like geez I like the
new one it's Tech kind of I feel like
I'm into the new one and I'll probably
always be that guy and then they
announced this new one and I think the
Hybrid drivetrain is actually probably
the best part of it but the interior
they changed a couple things that I
specifically dislike that I don't have
any good reason to dislike other than
the current one is
better so the first thing is every 911
for many many years has had a Twist like
not an actual key to twist to start but
they've had the ignition on the left
side of the steering wheel and this is
the first one that they're making just a
like a plastic push button start just
like a Maan or a cayenne and I just I
don't like that at all the other is the
tachometer is just an all digital
display now which is that's most cars
these days let's be honest like they
just have screens but the current
generation
992 actually has a real like physical
needle and it has screens to the left
and right but has a real needle
tachometer and I love something about
that like it's just like a watch like
I've never had these feelings about any
device before and now I see like a fully
digital one and I'm like oh that's not
the same like I yeah I've never and I'm
the dude who's wearing an Apple Watch
like I don't want a r like a Rolex seems
like the dumbest thing ever to me so I'm
like I didn't think I would become this
guy but I really feel this way miles how
do you feel about the new 911 my
feelings are exactly the same the fact
that it's a hybrid system which you know
makes it faster but it's now heavier
biger and more expensive that's not like
what my problem is with this car which
is what some people are saying is an
issue they just preferred it to just be
Pure Ice mhm it's just the fact that
they're like you said changing things
that we have known and associated with
Porsche just to say hey this is new and
different it's funny because I was
filming the new Cayenne just last
weekend and I was talking about the push
start button I'm like it's a Cayenne
okay fine I'll deal with it but the 911s
right they're going to leave that alone
they're not going to there's no way
they're going to change the ignition
switch right so with the older Porsches
like you said you used to be able to
just take your key put it on the left
and then crank it to start the the
engine and then with 992 they changed it
your car where it's like a knob aob TST
where the key would be so it's like yeah
and that actually makes a bit more sense
with a modern car and it's still the
same thing you get the same effect it
was a nice hybrid between a push button
digital thing and like an old school key
I don't have to have a key but I still
get the satisfying like physical motion
right so that was great apparently this
is what Porsche customers want according
to Porsche so it's so funny I happen to
have a Porsche customer sitting right
here next to me so Dr Brown you have a
Porsche no that's Andrew in the last
episode yeah that's fair yeah so so Dr
brownley I have to ask you yeah do you
actually want a push to start button so
in a car that has an
engine I get it but no and the thing I
think they're I think when they say this
is what Porsche customers want I think
what mathematically they're saying is
Well lots of people bought cayen so
seems like people are okay with it and
mathematically they're probably right
and people will still buy it and use it
and it'll be fine but I couldn't
possibly argue in any way that it's
better other than maybe being simpler
physically to manufacture but it's
Porsche we're talking about when has
that been a
concern yeah it wasn't a concern until
now this is the first time where I've
seen Porsche announce a new car and me
just be
like this is just not good for a
nonsensical reason like all these other
companies are making their engine
smaller and doing all these things to
comply with like emissions laws and
things like that that's totally
understandable this is just one of those
things where it's like they're just
changing it for essentially no reason
and I don't think there's anyone on
Earth who's like yes this is the better
version so let me ask you again
apparently Porsche customers requested
that the gauge cluster be fully digital
really yes requested I I mean that's why
they did it they say this is what
Porsche customers wanted they wanted
their gauge cluster to be fully digital
you can also just say things they can
also just tell us they can also just say
that people said that I I will say I
I've watched a lot of videos on the last
couple generations of 911 and I didn't
hear anyone ask for that what I did hear
about the 992 is the gauges were a
little bit too wide and so they were
kind of hidden by the steering wheel
almost every car reviewer like mentioned
that at some point I don't think I
translated that to this all digital I
just heard that as like I have to figure
out anything wrong with this car and it
seems like that's one thing that
everyone finds wrong with it but the
thing is that was the side menu so that
wasn't they weren't talking about the
tack in the middle which was the only
element that was still analog and then
they said no that's that's digital now
too yeah doesn't translate for me do you
think that's more expensive or cheaper
to do a completely digital digital
screen versus an analog T I think it's
cheaper because it's one screen so
before you had the the analog tack in
the middle which I'm sure they make a
ton of and it's not super hard to
manufacture but then they had one screen
on the left and one screen on the right
and now you just have one big screen and
I think we also saw an article something
about how they're going to have like
deeper integration with carplay I
haven't seen what that actually looks
like yet I'm sure it'll just be you can
have the map in front of you instead of
just on the screen to the side cool
great I just I think it's just a little
cheaper to make one screen instead of
two but that's another thing right when
they announced the the whole nextg
carplay thing and they announced that
Porsche was going to be the first people
they're working with it's like I feel
like I don't know anyone who owns
Porsches who wants their UI to look like
an apple car maybe Cayenne I mean I
think yeah I don't know anyone else who
wants that either I think there's a lot
of people who just want it to work like
their phone and that's good enough and
carplay is that for most people um but
there is also a specific subset of
Porsche buyers cuz let's be honest like
most people buying a Porsche are buying
a Cayenne or a Maan and it's just the
one that they wanted and it's a casual
commuter whatever but there's a subset
of those people who are like purists who
really really care about you know the
driving Dynamics and the weight of the
car and the way it handles and all sorts
of smaller things that are more
traditional and those people didn't ask
for that at all they never I don't think
I heard any of them asked for that so it
seems like they're listening to group
number one over group number two but
it's the 911 so feels like there's less
of group number one buying the 911 it's
kind of weird that is true I have a
question yeah so the Porsche 9911 is
fast right that's like why people like
it you mentioned that because now it's
that that it's hybrid it's heavier mhm
does that affect how fast it is is it
now slower as well no it's faster it'll
be quicker it's faster so here's the
here's the fun part of the driving
Dynamics I think it will drive better
and I'm I'm going to speculate even a
little bit on like the turbo and the
Turbo S later but they've already shown
like the nurburging lap time of the GTS
and it's like just as fast as it has
more horsepower than the uh than the
outgoing turbo than the nons turbo yeah
the turbo so it is a more powerful car
but the thing about turbos is they take
time to spool up and actually accelerate
faster there's just a an inherent lag
and you can you can deal with it with
your gearbox by always being close to on
Boost and that's they've been really
good at that but it's not lag free when
you drive a Tian or an electric car that
instant torque is totally different from
the feeling of a turbocharged engine and
I think this hybrid system is going to
give like we talked about in our hybrid
video it's going to give people that
instant acceleration feeling when you
hit the pedal it won't be fullon all of
your power but it'll feel more
responsive and then of course when you
combine the power of the engine and the
electric motors you will have more total
power and accelerate faster so it'll
feel like a more responsive car and I
think that's good for most people I
think they'll enjoy it um they manage to
kind of minimize weight gain 50 kg isn't
nothing but it's it's a tiny battery so
it's not a disaster these aren't the
featherweights of the car world so I
feel like it'll drive better but yeah
it's just little the little interior
things kind of kind of got to me so you
are Porsche's demographic right you're
the person who they're targeting with
their sports cars right yeah I think
Marquez is like 45 years younger than
the person that they're targeting with
their Well normally because people his
age don't usually have a quar million to
spend like on a sport but if they could
pick their ideal they would want
everyone who's buying other if there
people who are buying Lamborghinis and
McLarens and other things they would
want them to buy that too and then be a
repeat customer for however long they're
alive ideally my question is what does
Porsche have to do with the yet to be
revealed turbo to make you feel like you
would want to upgrade and buy it
wow uh it it's all about the drive it
would have to be it would have to drive
that much better that it overcomes the
things that I dislike about the interior
again there are other things that are
fine about it most of the Interior is
still going to be the same I don't have
as much of a problem with the facelift
as some other people do there's these
new like active Arrow Flaps in the
grills at the front and they replace the
dedicated blinkers with like just the
headlights blink so it's a simpler face
some people hate it I think it's fine
it's mostly a similar car it's very
recognizable I just want to know how how
much faster and how much better it
drives that's really most of what I want
to hear about with the Turbo S when it
comes out and it'll be like a year
before we hear about it but I want to
hear battery size I want to hear total
power I want to hear like responsiveness
0 to 60 times I want to hear that that
type of stuff with that car I think from
now until this car comes out we should
all get familiar with how driving a
Porsche 911 Feels by taking turns with
certain person who do I do my best to
describe it but like I don't know if you
watch videos of turbocharged cars
driving you it's you slam on the
accelerator pedal and an EV and you just
G jet you just go if you slam on the
accelerator pedal in a naturally
aspirated engine car it can feel pretty
close to that level of responsiveness if
you slam on the accelerator in a
turbocharged car twin turbo car it will
start to accelerate and then as you
climb in revs and build Bruce pressure
you surge forward in like a crazy way
who was in the speed tail was it just
you you were in the speed tail no we
were talking about the lack of Turbo lag
cuz we had both also done the P1
together the P1 so we had like a really
good reference point of like cuz the P1
is like Fast off the line and then the
turbo kicks in but the the speed tail
was just so these are both hybrids the
p1's a hybrid too yes oops I sound
pretty stupid no but these are both
turbocharged hybrids that we are driving
and this is also a turbocharged hybrid
that we're talking about but if you
drive a nonhybrid turbocharged car uh
there are a couple that are nicknamed
the Widowmaker cuz you could be driving
around a track and you could you could
hit what you think is the right point to
accelerate and then you get this boost
that gets gives you way too much power
and you just kick the tail out like I
don't want to say it's unpredictable but
the way the power comes on with a turbo
is way more of a surge than what an EV
will give you the the speed tail and the
P1 at least both give you a really solid
warning because right before you get
kicked it goes yeah you the intakes go
crazy
it's yeah that is the feeling no but it
is that's that's exactly what it is it's
a it's a it's a symphony of of a bunch
of different things happening at once
that make you go faster did you see the
picture of the drivet train they
published with all the Press photos
Porsche yeah it's a very silly looking
photo I'm just going to bring it up
right now yeah they did a they did a
whole like unveiling live stream video
on YouTube that we watched and it was
very German it was like one person going
I heard you made it a hybrid tell us
about that and then like some trance
music as they do like a transition to a
different part of the same room and he
goes it is a hybrid and then he starts
explaining it it's great I was hoping
they would do like an apple transition
where they like do a drone shot to like
a different part of the same room they
didn't do it though it was great you
brought up the word uh Widowmaker and
that brings me to like one of my final
points with the
9922 there's been one car that everyone
has kind of just like forgot
about which one is that GT2 RS GT2 RS so
the term Widowmaker like the GT2 RS that
was the original Widowmaker like back in
the day cuz it was just a rear whe drive
rear roll Drive turbos like 500
something horsepower but like no nannies
right so it's just like if you screw up
you screw up no what no nannies no
nannies like Mary poppets no handholding
no handholding I get it now just like no
like a lot of people these days think
they're good drivers that's just because
there's all these like traction control
is amazing there's all these traction
control systems that like allow you to
feel confident doing kind of like stuff
you maybe shouldn't be doing on the
public road
but this is a car where it's like you
just have to be good and so I think this
is going to be like an 00
horsepower all the power to the rear
hybrid you think GT will be a hybrid too
yeah cuz they're going to need something
crazy because what's coming out this
summer is the Corvette ZR1 right which
is going to be like kind of the similar
philosophy what is the comp and
Porsche's lineup of the ZR1 is that
their GT2 RS or their GT3 RS some would
say I think most people would say GT3 RS
okay but then por Corvette's also going
to have Zora which is going to be they
like Z's they like their Z's it's going
to be an even more extreme version of
ZR1 so okay so Force induction ZO6 Motor
Plus hybrid Jesus yeah it's going to be
scary so in order to compete this is
also the other thing is I'm sure Porsche
feels some level of competition from
other cars coming out in their price
brackets and so yeah if you're going to
try to be you know competitive
speed-wise it feels like you have to
Electrify your your lineup at some point
and the purists at the very pure purest
end of it are like no no electricity no
hybrid system we need it to be naturally
aspirated Etc but uh I think the hybrid
is a good move for these cars it's just
a matter of like keeping it 911 yeah I
think if we've learned anything this
week it's that or last week it's that
EVS could be pretty good well pretty fun
I think by the time this pod comes out
that video is out yep do you want to
talk about your experience with that
car is it the be okay so Miles and I
both test drive a lot of the cars that
you see us review on autofocus and so as
a result we've both driven a lot of
different cars and shared notes on them
and this last car that we reviewed which
is called the Lucid air
Sapphire I think is the best driving
electric car ever made and maybe the
best best driving sedan ever made it's
amazing hot take and that's a that's a
hot take because when I say best driving
Eevee ever made I'm including all EVS
I'm including the rimac Nea I'm
including the tyan turbo I'm including
all EVS I've ever driven and the Lucid
air Sapphire I think tops that list it's
incredible at disguising it's incredible
weight it's really good and then on top
of that best driving sedan ever I don't
I haven't driven as many sedans I'll be
honest there's a lot of gas sedans I've
never driven but damn it would be really
impressive if another gas sedan could
match 1100 daily horsepower and like the
level of traction control and handling
and suspension that that car has I
thought it was one of the best cars ever
so the story with that car is lucid did
two long-term rentals of what most like
enthusiasts would consider to be the
best driving sedans ever made prior to
the sapphire and that was the BMW m5cs
and the Cadillac ct5v Blackwing both of
which I've
driven and you know I'm definitely like
an ice guy I think the sapphire like out
class blood it's it's honestly no
contest I mean if you like noises then I
mean yeah obviously there's no
replacement for that but you could just
kind of think of like the noises you
make when you're accelerating to kind of
like you're holding a breath yeah
because it's it's honestly incredible
and it's not necessarily the fact that
it's so freaking fast because if you
want to go just a smidget faster you
could spend like $2.5 million extra
dollars and get a AA but it's the fact
that you've got a front a trunk a super
spacious back seat super spacious over
400 m of range MH honestly like a usable
actually daily drivable car so like the
new tyan turbo GT y sock that could be a
better dri driving car I guess we're
going to find out like months but but no
back seat no back seats it's like that's
not a Tien crazy anymore you know it's
it's honestly kind of a silly car to be
honest that you can't really recommend
to a normal person whereas this if
you're rich you can recommend this to a
normal person you just want to go fast
how much does this car cost
250 the sapphire yeah but I mean but for
the but but for the best driving car
ever made and I mean you're gonna at a
stoplight you will nothing will beat you
nothing like it's nuts you're smoking
Bugattis off the line smoking every
Porsche every every what I was going to
say like a a Tesla app plaid just gets
just walked by this like everything in a
straight line when did you drive this
Alis I haven't gotten to drive I haven't
gotten to drive it but I've driven with
miles it and what's so crazy is that you
can do all that and the last time miles
picked me up in it we had
it was we fit so many musical
instruments in there like it's actually
so we had a xylophone we had two
saxophones we had a flute we had all of
our backpacks nice and it was there was
still plenty of room in the car
interesting yeah front trunk I will say
I also think it looks very very nice
really yeah I really like the way that
car looks yeah the lucid's kind of
interesting to me it's got a good look
in that spec I've seen some ugly
Lucid I'm not with you yeah I think the
the two-tone Lucid are not really my
thing same this one is like the this is
the stealthiest most uh aggressive
looking a beautiful color it's it's got
that carbon spoiler and everything no
sky sky ceiling carbon roof instead yeah
yeah lame the thing is that surprised me
is just how many looks it got from just
like non-car people really like there's
a there's a school right by where I live
and so I was getting home right as the
school was letting out and all these
little kids were just like peeping the
loose at I'm just like it's cool hey yo
like I did not realize it had that kind
of like a presence yeah but I mean they
all do now you know also kind of looks
like it's probably does not look like a
Cadillac or anything but it looks like a
fancy car that's being stealthy and I
look at fancy cars that are being
stealthy it has big Cadillac energy for
sure it does it okay good I don't really
know anything about cars it's a big car
yeah yeah yeah I can see that just more
like the this the like you know
casualness and the fanciness here's my
hot take for the episode because I know
people like my car takes on the
Pod the the sapphire has better
suspension than the
911 better daily aable suspension than
the 911 in that it is more compliant and
I I wish I could control it more like
pasm lets me switch between the most
sporty and like a little softer but I I
when I was driving the Lucid I was like
I can't believe this car weighs 5,000 lb
like it it's got this firm and confident
but very compliant suspension that was
amazing on New Jersey roads with
potholes and like Expansion Joints and
all kinds of weird stuff I was like that
this is a great suspension I don't I
don't think that's a hot take I think
911s have always just used more
simplistic sporty driving focused
suspension systems mhm whereas like the
Lucid is a bit more complex but still
very good for not being air suspension
like it's using steel Springs which is
so crazy pretty wild to me and like I
feel like if you put someone like jonno
in the car who drives like a plat or
Model S with air suspension he probably
wouldn't know honestly yeah how is lucid
doing as a
company is that bad well here's the
thing I think what's so great about this
car is they've clearly spent a lot of
engineering time and money to make this
car incredibly efficient and really
really good mhm and Lucid does not make
money as a company right but they're
also backed by a basically infinite
wallet of the Saudi Investment fund and
so it kind of doesn't feel like it
matters yet interesting I don't know
that they have any sort of pressure or
ticking Time Bomb behind that but it's
like they just keep losing money and
keep making very highly engineered cars
M and I guess that's fine for now I I
think so I mean I whether they're going
to be around forever is like because
this is the same question I have like
every six months with McLaren which is
also literally 100% backed by the Yeah
you know by the like some like Saudi
like Financial Group
oh I want them to stick around but at
the same time I think about like how
cheap a sapphire would be if this
company know
longer after market support if they had
some sort of pressure to sell cars more
then it wouldn't be 250 Grand but I
don't think my take is that I don't
think if you're a car journalist if
there are any car journalists watching
this you should not be allowed to own
this car and you should not own this
car firstly it is incredibly easy to put
yourself in a go to jail
situation Fair don't ask me how I know
that
secondly secondly I feel like it
just establishes like a precedent of
like what speed and capability in a car
supposed to be that is just beyond what
is it ruins you beyond the norm for like
even super cars where it's just like I
feel like if I were to drive this car
for a month straight and nothing else
the second I get into literally anything
else I'm just going to be like yeah I
talked about that with plaid like and
plaid was not as fast as this but I feel
like that ruined a lot of car for me I
told you about the NSX we had the NSX
Type S here for a couple weeks maybe a
week or two and that's a fast car like
that's a really incredible car and I
remember getting into it after like a
year of owning plaid and thinking oh man
this car is really nice it's too bad it
really lacks top end like it's not that
fast and then I watched I read some
other reviews of it and they're like
this is a ballistic fast car with an
incredible like this is the best
performing NSX ever and I was like oh
I've I've been ruined expectations been
ruined by it the thing that's different
for me like I haven't driven The Plaid a
lot I've driven like yours like around
back like once I've been in Brandon's a
bunch of times it doesn't it's
incredibly fast but it doesn't drive
like a lot of my favorite sports cars
drive and so that's what I feel like is
the differentiator the fact that it just
is such a good driving car overall the
steering is incredible mhm the handling
is incredible like it's incredibly like
capable there is a video on YouTube of
somebody doing taking a test drive and
he's driving around in Sapphire mode and
he has a lucid representative in like
the front seat and he's like he gives it
I think it's miles per hour maybe he did
this video he gives it a few like
obviously like pulls and it's like this
car is insane and then they get up to
like a stoplight and the guy they get
they get to the front of the red light
and the guy's like you're taking this
left right here start turning left floor
it midt turn
and he's like okay and then he does and
the car just carves out of the turn like
as if he's stuck to the it's on Rails or
something it's crazy so the traction
control is unbelievable in that car and
yeah it drives like a dream it's great
can I say one thing about the Lucid yeah
I want them to take all of these things
that you love mhm take out like 2third
of the speed and then make a mybach
competitor with the platform cuz I love
being in ins that thing so much and if
they made like an ultra comfy like you
don't need to go fast the suspension's
really great version of it yeah but
that's just like the G the other airs
are in that vein no but I mean like like
super luy interior like I want like only
four seats get rid of that middle back
seat you know I want I want what did our
mybot come with the champagne flutes you
know funny in the fridge when I first
tested the Lucid before they started
shipping any airs I sat in an executive
option back seat that's exactly what
you're describing damn but they I don't
think they ever ship that or maybe it's
like super late and they might ship it
later I want the the Toyota Century of
of lucid of lucid I've I've been loving
these like NBA analogies where people
are like wem is the Michael Jordan of
bull
balls wait wait yes yes you think about
it though think about it wemi is the
Michael Jordan of bull bulls and I think
the Lucid air Sapphire Tim Duncan
disrespect but okay continue this is
allarg the Lucid air Sapphire is the
rimac Nea of Model S
plaids or it's the tyan of or it's the
911 of
plats something like that I'll I'll work
on that one but it's up there I think
the Lucid air
is the sappire
is the yes of yes there it is you heard
or he first we don't have anything bad
to say about this car other than the
keyop and it doesn't come in brown it
doesn't come in brown I think that's
yeah Sapphire literally only comes in
Sapphire but I think that's it that's
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manganelli whoa Jesus crazy out of the
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well you're you're back just in time for
trivia oh great I can get all of them
wrong oh wait that was not the that was
not the call was it no that's perfect no
was perfect yeah trivia you just have to
say the word trivia trivia someone have
a whiteboard there wasn't one there's
two here oh nice
thanks all right do you want a pen yes
every quick update on the score trivas
Marquez with nine Andrew with eight
David with nine going a fake eraser
blowing this lead blowing it Andrew all
right first question car the one how
much
RAM Spotify car thing come with how much
protein is this closest do we think it
has more or less than the Humane eye pin
I think it has more protein we think it
has any at all oh sure yeah we'll do
whoever's closest the
Delta Google
aloe Google Plus rip that was just off
top of my head all right flip them and
read what you
got oh oh oh I said four gigs of RAM
four gigs feeling juicy it's probably
not nope we both said we both said one
one gig one gigabyte do you want to give
a more specific answer I will allow this
wait uh 1,24 megabytes 1,24 that is a
gigabyte I know I don't know why are you
allowing those why don't we just because
he basically just said one so what do
you think I also said one okay so do you
want to change your answer wait we can
change your answer no but you'll see
I'll change my answer right now I feel
like you're trying to do a tie yeah
exactly I'm trying to do a
tiebreaker how about one of us goes less
than one one of us goes over one okay
what do you want 1 point2 I'll go under
so 1.2 yeah and what' you say Andrew the
closest number to under that you say
over and I say under I'm over he's under
all right let's do it I'm so confused
I'm saying it hased gig and he saying it
has less than one gig you started this
you saying less than one gig got it
Andrew gets the point let's go
wow disgusting the answer is around 500
megabytes are you God freaking kidding
me dang whatever all right question two
okay Porsche Design Studio makes some
really beautiful stuff and also some
really weird stuff and so I've collected
three of the weirdest things I could
find and one thing that I made up and
I'm going to show them to you and then
you must tell me which one is fake this
is
great let's figure out how to do this
that means you created one of these did
Tim or an AI cre hey man I don't tell
you to do your
job number one the Porsche kitchen this
Ultra modern kitchen pulls from familiar
Porsche materials like aluminum for its
frame and new materials for its surfaces
like frosted glass countertops and a raw
wood paneling that weirdly looks like it
could be real looks the most St
kitchen zero character ever
oh oh number two is the Porsche impact
driver Porsche worked with a local tool
manufacturer to develop an impact driver
with comfort in mind the vertical
aluminum handle here with a carbon fiber
back yield an incredibly balanced impact
driver that's insane yeah it's
funny number three the Porsche Hospital
the Porsche Design hospital bed is a
more modern addition to their design
portfolio emphasizing Chrome fittings
and clear lines the height ratio between
the headboard and footboard is a nod to
the profile of their classic Fastback
design and number wait wait wait you
know how they charge you like $8,000 a
night to stay in the hosital this why CU
I have
the and number four oh my God this is
the Porsche smoking pipe it might look
like a normal pipe Until you realize
Until you realize that the bowl has a
heat sink that's right those are
radiator fins there's no liquid but the
fins do supposedly keep the bowl at a
lower temperature leading for a more
pleasurable smoke God this is tough what
in the world this is tough I feel
like Google code
competitions it can't be Google could be
what was what was the second one was
what was b b was the driver it was a
kitchen impact driver
hospital
and I don't know man the hospital bed is
freaking so funny this is this is brutal
okay what do you guys have I went with
the kitchen you think the kitchen is
fake
correct the kitchen is real that is a
real image Andrew you put impct the
impact driver is real too that is a real
photograph why do they have a drill bit
in an impact driver uh excuse me I I
think I wrote impact driver but it's
actually a hammering drill that changes
how that's why I a hammering drill
they're the same thing I feel like you
usually don't use a drill bit on impact
driver now oh I also put the kitchen
kitchen do you not I believe that's why
you like drill is hospital bed what do
you put on your impact driver maybe I'm
sounding like an idiot here but no I'm
worried I'm sounding like an idiot now I
thought an impact driver was a
traditional drill that has a hammer
motor built yeah I know but I don't
think you would normally drill holes
with it because of the fact that it's
not doing it you drill holes in really
hard stuff maybe I'm wrong I mean I know
you can put it in but if you are a
contractor hold on here's a and you know
how to correct use an impact driver I've
used impact driver for many times for
drilling holes most of the time for
fence workor but recently many people
say not to use an impact driver for D
driving holes oh says it's not called
impct rated bits they're rated bits
specifically for a purpose and it could
break the bits so I saw that and thought
Oh that must be fake you just threw a
por design logo on it and no I wish I
was that good at Photoshop I probably
could that seems like an easy one was it
the hospital bed oh yeah the hospital it
looks so AI created Marquez is tied with
David in first place with nine points
but don't be worried because Andrew is
hot on their tails wait shouldn't I have
nine points also yeah Andrew got the
second one right I got the first one
right the first one and he's also tied
with he's also tied with those other
guys dang we're not
we're we're very deep into this season
for a tie game this is cool this is cool
you're all going to get 40 something
points in the next trivia Extravaganza
nothing none of it matters but it is
neat that's pretty exciting the last
trivia was decided by one point that's
true that's so true the one well this
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