Piers Morgan vs Ben Shapiro | On Israel-Hamas, Candace Owens And More
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses a variety of topics including Donald Trump's statements on the Israel-Gaza conflict, the international response to the situation, and the political dynamics within Israel. It also touches on the recent UN Security Council resolution calling for a ceasefire, the role of the Biden administration, and the impact on Israeli politics. Additionally, the conversation includes a critique of certain public figures and their actions, as well as broader issues such as the state of American infrastructure, the opioid crisis, and the upcoming US elections, with a particular focus on the potential return of Donald Trump to the White House.
Takeaways
- ๐ค The fundraiser co-hosted by Ben Shapiro and former President Donald Trump focused on the need for Israel to expedite the resolution of its conflict with Hamas.
- ๐๏ธ Trump's call for Israel to 'finish up the war' suggests a need for a swift conclusion to the ongoing conflict, emphasizing the waning international support for prolonged engagements.
- ๐ญ There is disagreement over whether Trump's statement implied support for Israel to eliminate Hamas entirely or to seek peace immediately.
- ๐ณ๏ธ Israeli public opinion is divided on Netanyahu's leadership, with a desire for new elections but not during the current conflict.
- ๐จ The UN Security Council's demand for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza highlights the increasing international pressure on Israel.
- ๐บ๐ธ The Biden administration's relationship with Netanyahu has deteriorated due to the rising Palestinian death toll, with the US abstaining from vetoing a UN resolution.
- ๐ฅ Candace Owens' departure from the Daily Wire has sparked discussions on free speech and the platform's responsibility towards its hosts.
- ๐ข Shapiro emphasizes the Daily Wire's stance as a publisher, not a platform, and its right to choose content and hosts.
- ๐ The discussion touched on the role of the Israeli government in determining its strategic moves against Hamas, including the consideration of civilian casualties.
- ๐ฅ The conversation also included a critique of certain individuals and groups spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation, particularly in the online sphere.
- ๐ The collapse of a bridge in Baltimore was mentioned as an example of potential infrastructure issues in the United States, though the exact cause remains under investigation.
Q & A
What was the main point President Trump emphasized regarding the conflict between Israel and Hamas?
-President Trump emphasized the need for Israel to expedite the conclusion of the conflict, highlighting that the world's attention span is limited and that Israel risks losing international support the longer the conflict continues.
What is the public opinion in Israel regarding the handling of the conflict by the current government?
-There is broad public support in Israel for military action against Hamas, including the possibility of entering Rafah, despite the potential for civilian casualties and international pressure.
What has been the United States' stance on the conflict according to the transcript?
-The United States under President Biden initially pushed for a ceasefire with conditions, including the release of hostages, tied to Hamas. However, the U.S. later abstained from vetoing a UN resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire, indicating a shift in stance.
What is the significance of the comment made by Rabbi Schmu about Candace Owens?
-Rabbi Schmu's comment, which involved dressing up and mocking Candace Owens, was seen as highly inappropriate and a desecration of God's name, reflecting a lack of sensitivity towards the Jewish community and anti-Semitism.
What was the reported reason for Candace Owens' departure from the Daily Wire?
-Although the exact reason for Candace Owens' departure from the Daily Wire is not explicitly stated in the transcript, it was widely reported that her comments were perceived by some at the Daily Wire as anti-Semitic, which may have contributed to her leaving.
What is the speaker's view on the situation at the southern border of the United States in relation to the fentanyl crisis?
-The speaker believes that the southern border is a significant factor in the fentanyl crisis, with drug cartels using illegal immigration as a misdirect to smuggle fentanyl into the country. The speaker suggests that stronger policies and actions against drug dealers, increased border control, and international pressure on China and Mexico are necessary to address the issue.
What does the speaker suggest as a solution to the fentanyl crisis in the United States?
-The speaker suggests that state-level laws should allow for the prosecution of drug dealers for homicide when their products result in fentanyl poisoning. Additionally, the speaker calls for stronger border control, economic pressure on China to stop the shipment of fentanyl precursors, and action against the Mexican government to combat the power of drug cartels.
What is the speaker's stance on gun control and its comparison to the regulation of fentanyl?
-The speaker distinguishes between gun control and fentanyl regulation by noting that there is a constitutional right to bear arms in the United States, whereas there is no right to ingest or distribute fentanyl. The speaker also suggests that solutions to prevent fentanyl distribution could be more impactful than many proposed gun regulations.
What are the speaker's thoughts on the potential for Donald Trump to be elected president again?
-The speaker believes that if the 2024 election becomes a referendum on Joe Biden's presidency, Donald Trump could be elected again, as the speaker perceives Biden's administration to be facing systemic challenges that are difficult to overcome.
What advice would the speaker give to Donald Trump if he were to run for president again?
-The speaker would advise Trump to focus on unifying rhetoric, reduce the freneticism, and pursue policies that allow Americans to feel stable and return to a sense of normalcy.
Outlines
๐ Analyzing Trump's Remarks on Israel-Hamas Conflict
The discussion starts with pondering Donald Trump's advice for Israel to 'finish up the war,' questioning whether he meant a full military conquest over Hamas or a push towards peace. The conversation then shifts to the political landscape in Israel, touching on public sentiment towards Prime Minister Netanyahu and the frequency of elections in the country. The narrative delves into the intricate dynamics of Israeli politics, public opinion on warfare, and international relations, particularly the U.S.'s stance and its impact on Israel's actions. The dialog reflects on the balance between military actions and the quest for peace, Israeli public opinion, and the geopolitical implications of the ongoing conflict.
๐ Political Dynamics and Civilian Impact in the Israel-Hamas Conflict
This segment discusses the contrast in objectives between Israel and Hamas, particularly in terms of civilian casualties, and scrutinizes the shifting U.S. policy under President Biden, highlighting the implications of a U.S. abstention in a UN resolution. It examines the broad support across the Israeli political spectrum for military action in Gaza, the electoral politics in Israel, and the strategic considerations behind military operations in conflict zones. The conversation also explores the complexities of achieving peace and security in the region, considering the deeply entrenched hostilities and the international community's reaction.
๐ Geo-Political Tensions and Media Dynamics
The dialogue here extends to the broader geopolitical landscape, including the potential repercussions of a hypothetical Russian response to terrorism similar to Israel's actions in Gaza. It also delves into the challenges of disinformation and media responsibility in shaping public opinion and political discourse. The discussion touches on high-profile media interactions, including the dynamics of free speech within private companies and the controversial actions of public figures, illustrating the intricate relationship between media, politics, and public perception in times of conflict.
๐ข Infrastructure Concerns and American Politics
This part of the conversation addresses an incident of infrastructure failure in Baltimore, leading to a broader discussion on America's infrastructure state and the political implications therein. The segment transitions into American domestic politics, focusing on the opioid crisis, specifically the fentanyl epidemic, its causes, and the governmental response. The narrative then shifts to the political arena, discussing the potential of Donald Trump's re-election and its consequences on American policies and societal stability.
๐บ๐ธ U.S. Political Landscape and Election Prospects
The final segment provides an analysis of the U.S. political climate, focusing on the electoral prospects of Donald Trump and Joe Biden. It discusses the dynamics of party support, public opinion, and the strategic considerations of electoral politics. The narrative encapsulates the contentious nature of American politics, the challenges facing each candidate, and the broader implications of the upcoming presidential election on national policies and international relations.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กFundraiser
๐กPeace
๐กInternational Support
๐กCeasefire
๐กPublic Opinion
๐กStrategic Military Operations
๐กCivilian Casualties
๐กPolitical Manipulation
๐กFree Speech
๐กElection
Highlights
Discussion on Donald Trump's statement about Israel needing to 'finish up the war' with Hamas.
Misinterpretation of Trump's statement and its implications on international support for Israel.
The complexity of Israeli politics and the public's desire for a new election, despite recent frequent elections.
Analysis of the international community's response to the conflict between Israel and Hamas.
Debate on the strategy of a full assault on Rafa and the potential consequences for civilian casualties.
The breakdown of President Biden's relationship with Prime Minister Netanyahu and its impact on Israel's international standing.
The importance of public support in Israel for military operations and its influence on government decisions.
Discussion on the end game strategy for Israel in its conflict with Hamas and the potential outcomes.
The role of the media and misinformation in shaping public opinion on international events.
The situation with Candace Owens and her departure from Daily Wire, highlighting the complexities of free speech and company policies.
The impact of Rabbi Schmu's actions and the controversy surrounding his behavior and public image.
Comparison of international responses to terror attacks, specifically between Russia and Israel.
The spread of conspiracy theories and misinformation, particularly in the online world.
The importance of engaging with reality and seeking truth in the face of online conspiracies and disinformation.
The potential consequences of the fentanyl crisis in America and the need for more regulation and control.
The connection between the southern border and the fentanyl epidemic, highlighting the role of drug cartels.
Recommendations for the Biden administration to address the fentanyl crisis, including border control and international pressure.
The upcoming American election and the potential impact of the current political climate on the outcome.
The possibility of Donald Trump's return to the White House and the implications for America's future.
Advice for Trump if he were to return to office, focusing on unifying rhetoric and a sense of stability.
Transcripts
you're going to co-host a fundraiser for
Donald Trump yesterday Trump said this
you have to finish up your War you have
to finish it up you got to get it done
did he mean Israel should be able to
continue to try and eliminate all of
Hamas or did he mean they should bring
things to an end now and they should now
move to try and find peace the world
does not seem to have the attention span
to maintain any level of support for
anyone whether you're talking about
Ukraine or whether you're talking about
Israel for a prolonged period of time in
a war against a ter enemy and so when
President Trump says something like you
need to finish this up I think that he's
speaking a baseline truth there a
majority of people in Israel want to get
rid of Netanyahu but the polls show is
that Israelis would love to have another
election but they've had five elections
in four years it's it's always sort of
weird when people talk about Israel
needs a new election they have more new
elections than Taylor Swift has outfit
changes during one of her concerts I am
dressed up as a c ens what is your
reaction to that clip I mean the phrase
in Hebrew is that's what we would call a
hash right it's a it's a desecration of
God's name do you think he should be
given air time anymore that sort of
behavior is is disgusting in any context
frankly I don't know an orthodox Jew who
feels differently about that not one and
dis who's now left daily wire was she
fired or did she leave of her own bition
as far as the Free Speech situation what
I will say is that no company has the
obligation to literally pay
anyone the UN Security Council is
demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza
after the US failed to veto his
resolution leaving Israel increasingly
isolated on the world stage President
Biden's relationship with prime minister
Netanyahu has collapsed over the rising
Palestinian death toll now Donald Trump
has warned it's time for Israel to
finish up the war as it hemorrhages
international support So can and should
Israel press on alone to discuss this
and much more I'm joined by the daily
wies editor Emeritus and host of The
Divided states of Biden on daily y plus
Ben shapira Ben great to see you
hey good to see you pierce how are you
you know hanging in how are you awful
wonder how many people ask you that
question yeah I don't get that too much
so I was kind of surprised by the
question
honestly I'm gonna come to uh some stuff
that's involved you recently but let's
start with Israel um you're going to
co-host a fundraiser for Donald Trump
yesterday Trump said
this that being said you have to finish
up your War finish it up you got to get
it done and uh I'm sure you'll do that
and we got to get to peace you can't
have this going on uh and I will say
Israel has to be very careful because
you're losing a lot of the world you're
losing a lot of support but you have to
finish up you have to get the job done
and you have to get on to peace what did
you make of what he said there there's
been a bit of disagreement about what he
intended to mean did he mean Israel
should be able to continue to try and
eliminate all of Hamas whatever it takes
to finish that job or did he mean they
should they should bring things to an
end now they've done enough and they
should now move to try and find peace so
I actually did host co-host a fundraiser
with President Trump last week and we
did briefly speak about this topic my
impression is that President Trump is
saying what is certainly true here which
is that the the clock has been ticking
on Israel literally since October 7th in
terms of finishing up its operation the
world does not seem to have the
attention span to maintain any level of
support for anyone whether you're
talking about Ukraine where you're
talking about Israel for a prolonged
period of time in a war against a
terrible enemy and so when President
Trump says something like you need to
finish this up I think that he's
speaking a baseline truth there which is
that Israel does need to hurry and and
finish this up and frankly they should
have been moving faster in the first
place I think it's more of a PR Point
than it is an idea that Israel should
should stop for example by by not going
into Rafa I I don't think that's what
president Trump is saying there do you
feel comfortable but we talked about
this war a lot do you feel comfortable
about a Full Assault on Rafa if 1 and a
half million people remain in that
vicinity including majority women and
children because it would obviously be
in that instance devastating in terms of
Civilian casualties and would pour even
more pressure on Israel and lose them
even more support I mean do do you think
this is the right
strategy well I think that Israel is is
pretty United in its belief that it is
and Israel I think is best positioned to
adjudicate its own interests when it
comes to things like like you're talking
about whether it's international support
or the future of of the Gaza Strip my
understanding is from from all of the
public discussions that have been
happening that there's significant
discussion about how to try to move
civilians out of the way one of the big
problems has been that Egypt won't open
the gate even temporarily to allow
enough civilians outside of Rafa so that
Israel can perform operations inside of
Rafa apparently there are four Hamas
battalions that are currently located
inside of Rafa I'm sure that if the
United States are the International
Community could offer Israel some sort
of Harry Potter spell to disappear all
of the Kamas terrorists inside I'm sure
Israel would take it the last thing
Israel wants to do is maximize civilian
casualties what's been perfectly obvious
is that Hamas has precisely the opposite
view they would love to maximize
civilian casualties because the the
increasing civilian death toll as you've
pointed out has been the single Factor
that's been leading to increased
pressure on Israel to leave Hamas alone
what do you make of Biden uh really
turning on Netanyahu I mean this this
decision not to veto this resolution is
the latest escalation really in the
American Administration under Biden
reigning back its support of Israel how
significant is that and what do you
think about Biden doing this I mean
obviously I think that he's morally
wrong to to abstain from a resolution
that seems to disconnect the hostage
situation from the ceasefire all of the
versions the United States had been
pushing prior suggested that in order
for a ceasefire to be called for or
attained there had to be a release of
the hostages this particular version of
the UN resolution sort of separates off
the two issues doesn't mention Hamas
doesn't mention October 7th that's
that's the point of contention with with
regard to the UN Security Council
resolution the United States abstained
from as far as the sort of increased
pressure that that Biden or Chuck
Schumer the Senate Majority Leader here
have been putting on the Netanyahu
Administration frankly I think it's it's
political dishonesty I think that there
there are a lot of members of the
democratic party who are very critical
of Israel's government full scale
they're trying to put it on Netanyahu
because they realize that a lot of the
sort of liberal Jewish base in the
United States that votes Democrat
supports Israel but also doesn't like
Netanyahu very much but they're ignoring
the central reality in Israel which is
that there is fullscale public support
for going into Rafa from right left and
center the current government of the
state of Israel is a war cabinet
including the chief rival to Benjamin
Netanyahu benians who just vote who just
visited the United States and in fact
was treated to much of the same language
by the Biden Administration to so to
suggest that it's sort of netanyahu's
own political domestic manipulations
leading to his desire to go into Rafa
Netanyahu is in fact correct when he
suggest that there is Broad public
support for going into Rafa and in fact
if the current War cabinet does not go
into Rafa there's a very solid chance
that the government of Israel Falls in
their new elections I mean that is true
about the support definitely but it's
also true that a majority of people in
Israel want to get rid of Netanyahu so
this is a support for but not during but
not during not during the actual
conflict right what the polls show is
that Israelis would love to have another
election but not right at the moment
meaning that they've had five elections
in four years it's it's always sort of
weird when people talk about Israel
needs a new election they have more new
elections than Taylor Swift has outfit
changes during one of our concerts it's
not as though there's a lack of
Elections I do find it sort of strange
that there's always a call for new
elections in Israel which again has many
many elections I have yet to hear for a
call for elections in say the West Bank
or Gaza Strip where there has not been
an election since 2005 and there's a
reason for that and the reason for that
is because everybody understands if
there were an election in the Gaza
stripper West Bank Kamas would actually
win what I don't understand about
Israel's strategy is how they perceive
actual Victory yes you can take out the
30 to 35,000 Hamas terrorists yeah maybe
they can do that and maybe in the
process of that they kill tens of
thousands more civilians and have to
deal with the uh with the uh contention
that that will cause worldwide and maybe
Israelis don't care about that part long
to get rid of Hamas so let's get to an
end game where Hamas has gone why does
leveling Gaza and killing so many
civilians why would that give anyone in
Israel any kind of comfort that that
would that would kill off the ideology
that fueled Hamas that it wouldn't
actually just lead to an increase in
that IDE ology more hatred towards
Israelis more hatred towards Jewish
people I've never quite understood what
the end game looks like here for Israel
that makes Israel more secure well I
mean the end game presumably is security
not a sort of dynamic ideological
scoring among a population that right
now overwhelmingly supports the October
7th attacks and prior to October 7th
overwhelmingly supported Terror attacks
against the state of Israel and
overwhelmingly supported the destruction
of the state of Israel the sort of idea
that more conciliation from Israel was
bring bringing about peaceful conditions
with the Palestinian Authority or with
Hamas has been obviously proved false by
the fact that Israel literally withdrew
all IDF forces from the Gaza Strip in
2005 kamasa control they spent the last
20 years turning it into a giant Terror
base from the Israeli perspective my
assumption is that what they are
figuring is degrade hamas's military
capacity such that they cannot be an
offensive threat to the state of Israel
and then try to enact some sort of
military control of the area sufficient
to prevent any future threat from
arising from that area I'm sure that
Israel would love to hand the area over
to Egypt Egypt says no Egypt doesn't
want any part of it Israel would love to
hand it over to Jordan Jordan says no
Jordan doesn't want any part of it
Israel's tried to hand it over to the
Saudis to the UAE to the United States
to literally anyone no one wants to run
that area specifically because the
population is already quite radicalized
and was radicalized before October 7th
and so what you're probably going to end
up with and I said this I think the
first time I appeared on the show which
was shortly after October 7th in in this
context what you're probably going to
end up with is some form of joint
military rule in the Gaza Strip in which
Israel has the intelligence capacity to
go in and conduct raids in in Terror hot
beds the same way that they do right now
for example in the West Bank jday in
Samaria places like Janine places like
nablo the IDF is constantly attempting
to go in and root out Terror cells in
these particular areas one of the big
flaws that led to October 7th was the
fact that Israel had no forces on the
ground and no actual intelligence
capability inside the Gaza
Strip one of the consequences of this
war has been a lot of very high passions
on both sides a lot of angry
disagreements you and your company have
been at the center of a very uh
high-profile one at the moment with
Candice Owens who's now left daily wire
um was she fired or did she leave of her
own
bition I'm not going to speak to this
topic F at all at all you can't give me
any uh insight into why she departed no
hints no nothing I'm not going to speak
to this C can I ask can I ask why I mean
you can ask no no I'm can ask why you
don't want to say anything um again you
can
ask I mean I mean I I'm only curious
because I know what a a staunch defender
of free speech you are and it would
surprise me if it had been someone's
opinions that would make you want to par
company with them however cont suffice
to say the only thing I will say is what
I've said all along with regard to
Candice or with regard to any of our
other hosts I am not in hiring and
firing position with the daily wire I'm
a co-founder of the daily wire I'm a
co-owner of the daily wire I'm not
actually in management Jeremy boring and
Caleb Robinson are in management
positions with regard to Candice or
anyone else and as far as the Free
Speech situation what I will say is that
no company has the obligation to
literally pay anyone the the daily wire
is a is a publisher it is not a platform
I've never called for Candace or anyone
else for that matter to be banned from
YouTube to be banned from X to be banned
from any platform that's a different
story obviously when it it comes to any
publisher any publisher gets to make
decisions about what it wishes to uh
what it wishes to pry and not I mean I'm
just not going to label this but one
more point I would make is it's been
reported extensively that the reason for
her departure was because her comments
have been perceived by people at the
daily wire as
anti-semitic again I'm I'm not going to
comment on this Pi okay Rabbi smooy
would you comment on him because Jeremy
has actually commented on Rabbi schy
said I've avoided commenting publicly on
Rabbi schmi because as far as I can tell
the man is an attention of the
highest order is that the general
position of the company on Mr schi I
mean that that's my personal position
for sure I mean I I think that you know
Rabbi schi happens to be a person with
whom I agree on some matters related to
say Middle East policy and uh I I also
believe that his Devotion to camera and
notoriety have made him do some
untethered things in in recent days I
mean there's a clip I'm just going to
play it and you can comment or otherwise
but it was extraordinary to me we've had
him on this show a few times but I found
this really quite extraordinary let's
take a look worm is a day of Celebration
we feel bad for Candace Owens that she
lost her job so I figure with her image
of what Jews are supposed to look like
why not Val at least validator I am
dressed up as a Candace Owens Jew now
this is not a Christian Child this
Jewish child but if it would be I got my
Christian blood M spicy delicious I got
my Jewish nose I have have filth cuz
Jews are all filth and more than
anything else what does AD have
money I mean what is your reaction to
that to that clip I mean the phrase in
Hebrews that's what we would call a
hasem right it's a it's a desecration of
God's name and that sort of behavior is
is disgusting in any context uh and uh
frankly I don't know an orthodox Jew who
feels differently about that not one do
you think he should be given air time
anymore
Raby I mean I'm not going to make
decisions about who should Heir him and
who should not what I will say is that
the that that sort of behavior is
untethered from reality and and makes
mockery of much of the uh the mission
for for people like me which includes
fighting anti-Semitism yeah but I get a
lot of people actually after his most
recent appearance here just saying this
guy does not speak for most Jewish
people like me and they they write in
their drones and they say please stop
having someone on the I mean what he's
doing there certainly doesn't speak for
literally any Jew that I can that I've
heard of or know I mean I can't speak to
his positions on Israel again you know
my positions on Israel speak for my
positions on Israel but that's a
different story from dressing up in a
dmer costume uh to to mock anti-Semitism
I think that that's quite you know
counterproductive and and especially
given the the online discourse pretty
pretty negative in pretty much every way
I can think of
yeah Russia and what happened there was
a terror attack by ISIS k um people have
made some parallels they said look
there's a massive terror attack on the
heart of Russia in Moscow uh 130 people
brutally murdered Putin uh and the
Kremlin know where these terrorists came
from and a specific area would it be
logical given the way that Israel
responded to uh the Hamas attack on
October the 7th for Putin to go and do
the same thing that Israel's done in
Gaza to the area where these terrorists
came from I mean so first of all Putin
has done that historically many times
over whether you're talking about Chia
or whether you're talking about other
areas uh as F and nobody seemed to bat
an eyelash when it was Vladimir Putin
doing that so I'll first point that out
second of all I don't see the
international pressure to give Isis K or
its allies estate in the aftermath of a
mass terror attack I don't see a lot of
calls for Putin to act with tremendous
restraint in the aftermath of that
terror attack and frankly I think it's
very unlikely that Putin is going to do
anything like rooting out Isis K in in
the are in Tajikistan or wherever else
the these people are coming from seems
more focused on trying to misdirect this
terror attack into an attack on Ukraine
which is I think pretty disgusting yeah
I mean it is disgusting it's completely
untrue obviously uh but it's something
that in the world of disinformation that
we we exist in now is gaining currency I
see it online that a lot of people who
have a bent towards Russia and Putin
they're quite happy to believe that
Ukraine was behind this I mean the
amount of of misinformation on on
various social media Outlets is
extraordinary right now the velocity is
extraordinary right now and pretty much
any conspiracy theory is capable of
gaining just unbelievable legs very very
quickly what do we do about it bam I
mean the only thing you can do is is try
to speak fact into what appears to be a
vacuum the thing I've been encouraging
people to do more and more often is go
outside and touch some grass man I mean
seriously the online world is a terrible
place and then you turn it off and you
go outside and you talk to normal people
for five minutes and they are much
happier and actually exist in a world of
reality it's this own self-contained
Nether world where some of the some of
the most conspiratorial people hang out
and create Echo Chambers for one another
and whoever can say the loudest
conspiracy theory gets the most
engagement the best way to do this I
recommend to everybody God was right
take the seventh day off turn off your
electronics get out of the house go to
church like do something worthwhile with
your life for five minutes you know I
got into a bit of a spat with Elon Musk
because I had an interview lined up with
him and he canceled at the last minute
because I criticized him a month earlier
and he found the clip on this show
actually I criticized him for allowing
Alex Jones back on the platform having
originally said he wouldn't let him back
on because he wouldn't let people stand
on the the day at the graves of dead
children and make money from it in the
way that he'd been doing was he right to
let Alex Jones back on if you look at
Alex Jones's feed on XM the last few
weeks he spewing endless conspiracy
theories to quite a big audience does
that not unnecessarily unfairly wrongly
Fu the kind of toxic nature of of
discourse that you were talking about
yes so again I'll go back to the
distinction that I was making earlier
between platform and publisher I
wouldn't hire Alex Jones or pay him to
purvey his views here at Daily wire even
if I had the power to do so but a
platform is a different thing I think
what Elon is trying to do with X for
good or ill and I think it's come with
with some of both is to broaden the
scope of free speech try to turn it into
a into a Town Square that's going to
come along with an awful lot of people
who are who are using that Town Square
to throw feces against the wall what do
you make of the Don Lemon musk interview
and the
Fallout um I I mean I frankly I thought
that that Don didn't do a particularly
good job with that with that interview
I'll be honest with you um but with all
of that said as far as far as the
Fallout of it again between Elon and Don
making their business decisions that
that is up to them one thing I noticed
Don Lemon can still post his show on X
he just doesn't have to be paid by Elon
for it what I was surprised by was that
Don Lemon did that interview exactly how
I expected Don Lemon to do that
interview I was surprised that Elon mus
was surprised that Don Lemon was Don
Lemon you know the the media is a pretty
adversarial place and I I I think that
you know again I'm not going to speak to
elon's level of surprise I will say that
Don Lemon being Don Lemon is very Don
Lemon of him I mean nothing surprising
there we woke up this morning to this
Dreadful story in Baltimore with this
bridge collapsing a lot of really
bizarre unanswered questions you know
how did the power on this on this cargo
ship suddenly go off which then made it
Veer of course why was there no Tugboat
some people have been pointing out and
so on I was also struck by the fact that
a cargo ship hitting a part of a major
arterial bridge in a major American city
could bring the whole Bridge down what
did you make of
this you know obviously it's a tragedy
there will be a full investigation I I'm
certain of that yeah I I I hesitate to
always jump to sort of the a bunch of
conspiracies we were talking about that
are floating around online it appears
not to be a terror attack in fact it
appears that many of the people who are
on board actually called the landbased
authorities which is why the bridge
wasn't more filled with with car people
when the bridge collapsed but you I'm
I'm going to wait till all the facts
come in before making any sort of
statement on on what I think happened or
what can be done to correct it otherwise
I I feel we're jumping the gun probably
what are you concerned about
infrastructure generally in America I've
seen that again being debated today that
the there's a kind of sense that there's
a rotting infrastructure at the heart of
America first of all I think that that
tends to be a little bit overstated
because you can obviously find anecdotal
situations where there's a a bridge that
that falls down and that's terrible this
one didn't fall down of it's record
obviously at 165,000 ton ship that ran
into it um but beside that you know I I
think that the the biggest problem with
infrastructure tends to be state and
local based infrastructure not federal
based infrastructure in other words
spending a bunch of federal money on
infrastructure tends not to cure most of
these this one was under Federal aaces
by the way so we'll see if there were
inherent flaws in in the bridge and if
so obviously somebody is to blame and
presumably the Secretary of
Transportation will get the blame if
that's the case you've made a very
interesting documentary I watched it
last night about fenel America's silent
epidemic I was struck by the fact that
more people in America get killed by
fenel now than are killed by guns let's
take a quick look at a clip from the
film my only child is dead she died from
fentanyl poison my son died at 25 it was
fentanyl that killed my child fentel
overdose is the leading cause of death
for Americans 18 to 45 the sitting
president is supposed to put Americans
first we went to Kensington a
neighborhood of Philadelphia to check
out the fentel epidemic this is Ground
Zero for the fentel epidemic the
homeless epic in the heart of America's
towns and cities a silent crisis leaves
a trail of Devastation in its wake Joe
Biden and his administration have not
done anything to protect American
citizens join me on the ground as I
bring you the real world consequences of
one of the most destructive presidencies
in American history one degree of
separation between the Biden family and
the kings of fento I thought it was a
very powerful documentary uh some
shocking statistics in there um what is
the answer to this fental obviously the
poorest Southern border is a massive
part of the problem but should there be
more regulation more laws more control
over fentel itself so certainly there
ought to be state level laws that are
passed that allow for drug dealers to be
prosecuted for homicide if a drug dealer
passes a drug with fentol laced into it
to one of their victims because it is in
fact fentanyl poisoning many of the
people who are taking fentanyl using the
term fentanyl overdose is probably wrong
for a huge number of people and overdose
is when you take too much of a drug that
you actually intending to ingest in many
of these cases you have somebody who's
taking what they think is an Aderall and
it turns out that it's laced with
fentanyl and a grain of fentanyl or two
can kill you and so that actually is a
poisoning and drug dealers ought to be
prosecuted in precisely that fashion but
you're right the biggest issue obviously
is the poorest Southern border uh the
the first episode in this series was
about the southern border the drug
cartels control the entirety of the
American southern border and right now
they are using illegal immigration as
actually a misdirect to get fentanyl
into the country what they're doing is
flooding illegal immigrants into certain
areas the border patrol under Joe Biden
makes it first priority to go to those
areas in process the illegal immigrants
who are arriving in these areas that
leaves the rest of the Border completely
unmanned and while the rest of the
border is unmanned that's when you see
people coming in with backpacks filled
with fentanyl that fentanyl the
precursors are coming from China it's
being processed in Mexico at largely
bases that are owned by Chinese
Nationals and and then it's being given
to it's traded to the Mexican drug
cartels which are pushing it up north
through the Border it really is a deadly
it's not really an epidemic as much as
it is a deadly terror attack on the
United States via the the Mexican drug
cartels what should Biden be doing that
not doing I mean number one he has to
actually reinstate the rain and Mexico
policy with regards to Illegal
immigration which will allow the
reconstitution of the border patrol so
they can actually guard the unguarded
areas he needs to shut the border he
needs to be putting significant pressure
in terms of sanctions and other other
mechanisms on China for shipping the
precursors into Mexico in the first
place China has effectively been lying
to the United States saying that they
are doing things about the fentanyl
overdose exposure problem but they
really are not what they really have
done is instead of just shipping pure
fentanyl into Mexico they're shipping
the precursors into Mexico the United
States should be putting economic
pressure on the government of Mexico
which effectively has turned this this
entire state to America's South into a
narco State the drug cartels Don't just
run the American southern border
effectively they run the they run the
Mexican Government at this point and if
if Syria's pressure isn't brought to
bear on the Mexican Government to
disconnect and fight the drug cartels
this problem is going to continue to
Fester let me ask a question that I
think will uh appeal to fans of our
lengthy relationship who remembered some
of our early skirmishes but a drug is
killing nearly 100,000 people a year in
America you're very determined to bring
in all sorts of new regulations rules
laws and so on why do you not feel as
strongly about the number of people
being killed by guns well I mean I
certainly feel horrible for people who
are killed by guns there there's two
main distinctions one is that we
actually have a right in the United
States to keep in be arms whereas you do
not have a right to actually inest or
distribute Fentanyl and two is that the
solutions that are proposed for
preventing the distribution of fentanyl
in the United States states are likely
to be significantly more impactful than
many of the gun regulations that have
been proposed in order to stop the
so-called gun violence epidemic there
there are significant other problems
that are involved with the gun violence
problem in the United States ranging
from if you're talking school shootings
mental illness to Crime problems that
are responsible for the predominant
amount of gun crime in America's major
cities for example in other words the
instrument to me when it comes to guns
is secondary consideration especially
considering legislation already on the
books in many of these places when it
comes to fentanyl there are simple
things that can be done like right this
moment to actually stop this plus again
you do not actually have the right to
ingest or distribute fenel would you not
accept though that if the answer to
fentanyl deaths is to have less fentanyl
available on the streets would one of
the answers to the gun vience epidemic
in America not be to have fewer
guns I no I I don't necessarily accept
that I think it depends who has the guns
I think that if the if the answer is
fewer guns in the hands of people who
shouldn't have them then you and I
totally agree on this and we have for at
least a decade at this point I believe
Pi but when 15 years has she been 15
years it's it's been a long time we're
much older than when we began this
entire rigar but I think you're aging
better than me just for for what it's
worth well I I started off younger to be
fair to you let me ask you finally about
the the upcoming American election um
Donald Trump it seems the more crap
thrown at him by the left the more
powerful he gets and the more electable
he becomes with even Independence and
Republicans I don't like him gravitating
to a mindset about Trump that he's a
victim of a massive Witch Hunt here uh
do you think it can Propel him to the
White House or did you see signs in the
Republican primary season that there are
too many disaffected Republicans
actually to to help him win a general
election I no actually I think what the
primary showed is that there were a lot
of Democrats who are crossing over and
voting in Republican primaries I think
that by polling data 95% of Republicans
are going to go vote for Donald Trump
the the big problem is for Joe Biden
about 80% of Democrats say they approve
of Joe Biden he's the sitting president
so Joe Biden has a really bad systemic
problem on his hands it's hard to see
frankly how he can change direction
absent some sort of external
considerations that change everybody's
math the economy starts to Boom in such
a way that people actually feel it or
all the foreign policy issues which are
on fire right now the world's on fire
all those suddenly go out and Americans
change their perception of Biden I've
said before that every presidential
election is a referendum on one of the
two candidates and whoever it's a
referendum on loses right now the
elction is a referendum on Joe Biden and
if it's a referendum on Joe Biden come
November Donald Trump is going to be
president again and if Trump does win
and I think your Calculus is correct if
he does win is that going to be a good
or bad thing for America I mean you
you've blown hot and cold on Trump over
the years as I have as many people have
but would it be a good or bad thing
Trump marked two in the white house I
think that compared to a second Joe
Biden Administration I think that it
would be an excellent thing I think that
that Donald Trump's policy is the best
part of his administration the first
time around and so I would hope for more
of the first three years of his policy
in a second Trump Administration what if
you were advising him what would you
hope for less for second time round from
Trump I mean it's always the same thing
you know I would hope for less of the
rhetorical flourishes I would hope for
more of the unifying rhetoric a little
bit less of the freneticism I think that
what Americans really want right now is
to be left alone and for there to be a
feeling of stability and it's been a
very long time since we've had any of
that in the United States most Americans
again just want to touch grass and go
back to normal and so back to normal if
Trump could do that it would make him
immensely popular because the perception
is that he can't right that he can't
stop himself from being eccentric but if
he could actually get in the white house
and then actually pursue Joe Biden
strategy which is going to bed early at
5:00 p.m. every night except with some
good policies then I think Americans
would be pretty happy I think you're
right Ben chir great to have you back on
sens thank you very much thanks so
much
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