"Conservative Civil War" - Jesse Watters Predicts Winner Of Candace Owens vs Ben Shapiro Debate

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6 Apr 202422:57

Summary

TLDRThe transcript discusses the public exchange between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro regarding a debate on Israel and anti-Semitism. Owens has left DA wire and the announcement has been made. The conversation includes tweets and responses between the two, discussing the terms of their debate, with both agreeing to a live stream on YouTube and X. The conversation also touches on the internal dynamics at Daily Wire and the broader implications for the conservative movement.

Takeaways

  • 📢 Candace Owens is no longer associated with The Daily Wire, and the announcement has been made recently.
  • 💬 There is a discussion about the definition of anti-Semitism initiated by Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, with a potential debate proposed.
  • 🗣️ Ben Shapiro emphasizes The Daily Wire's variety of positions on Israel and the disagreement with Matt Walsh on America's policy towards the Middle East.
  • 📚 Ben Shapiro differentiates between a publisher and a platform, stating that as a publisher, The Daily Wire has the right to choose content to pay for.
  • 💌 Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro engage in a back-and-forth on social media regarding the terms of their debate, including the platform and the moderator.
  • 🤝 Candace Owens eventually agrees to the debate without a moderator, acknowledging the efforts of Jeremy Boreing in facilitating the discussion.
  • 🌐 The debate is set to be live-streamed on YouTube and other platforms, with no ads or charges for viewers.
  • 🔥 The conversation highlights the complexities within the conservative movement, with various viewpoints and potential for internal conflict.
  • 🤔 The script raises questions about the role of external moderators in debates and the importance of maintaining a fair and balanced discourse.
  • 🌍 The discussion also touches on the broader political context, including the role of the United States in international relations, particularly with Israel.
  • 📈 The script reflects the ongoing dynamics and challenges within conservative media and the need for open and respectful dialogue on contentious issues.

Q & A

  • What is the main issue discussed in the transcript?

    -The main issue discussed in the transcript is the public disagreement and debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, focusing on the definition of anti-Semitism and the situation between Israel and the United States.

  • What platform did Candace Owens part ways with?

    -Candace Owens parted ways with The Daily Wire.

  • What was the initial topic Candace Owens wanted to discuss with Ben Shapiro?

    -Candace Owens initially wanted to discuss the definition of anti-Semitism with Ben Shapiro.

  • How did Ben Shapiro respond to Candace Owens' challenge for a debate?

    -Ben Shapiro responded by suggesting a date, time, and location for the debate, and later agreed to have it without a moderator or on a neutral platform.

  • What was the role of Jeremy Boreing in this situation?

    -Jeremy Boreing got involved by offering financial support for the debate and facilitating the conversation between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro.

  • What is the stance of the speaker on debates within the conservative movement?

    -The speaker believes that while internal debates are healthy, it is important for the conservative movement to remain unified, especially in the lead-up to elections, in order to maintain electoral success.

  • What was the context of the discussion on Israel and the United States' involvement?

    -The context was the debate on whether The Daily Wire is pro-free speech and the accusations that it supports Israel more than free speech, with Ben Shapiro defending the platform's varied positions on the issue.

  • What was the disagreement between Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh on America's Israel policy?

    -Matt Walsh holds a more isolationist view, believing the United States has no real interests in the Middle East and should not provide material support to any Middle Eastern countries, including Israel.

  • What was the proposed format for the Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro debate?

    -The proposed format was a one-on-one in-person debate without a moderator, live-streamed on various platforms.

  • What was the speaker's opinion on the role of a moderator in debates?

    -The speaker believes that referees or moderators are necessary in debates to maintain order and professionalism, but also acknowledges that professional debaters can have productive discussions without one.

  • What are the speaker's thoughts on the upcoming Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro debate?

    -The speaker is looking forward to the debate, expecting it to be entertaining and informative, and believes it will be a good opportunity for both sides to present their arguments on the issues of anti-Semitism and Israel.

Outlines

00:00

🤔 Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro's Debate Arrangements

The paragraph discusses the unfolding conversation and arrangements for a debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro. It highlights the back-and-forth on Twitter where Candace expresses her desire to debate the definition of anti-Semitism and Ben Shapiro's agreement, contingent on certain conditions. The debate's organization, including the date, time, and platform, is detailed, with both parties agreeing to a live stream on X and YouTube. The paragraph also touches on the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the conservative movement's internal dynamics.

05:00

🗣️ Jeremy Boreing's Role in the Debate and Scheduling Conflicts

This paragraph focuses on Jeremy Boreing's involvement in facilitating the debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro. It delves into the scheduling conflicts, with Candace stating she would be in London for two weeks and suggesting a virtual debate. The paragraph also discusses the reluctance to host the debate on the Daily Wire platform and the proposal of a neutral platform. Additionally, it mentions the involvement of other figures like Tim Pool and the importance of having a moderator in debates to ensure fairness and order.

10:00

🤝 Agreement on Debate Terms and the Importance of Understanding

The paragraph describes the finalization of the debate terms between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, with both parties agreeing to proceed without a moderator. It highlights the significance of understanding and nuance in discussing sensitive topics such as anti-Semitism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The paragraph also touches on the broader context of conservative discourse, the role of the media, and the need for respectful and constructive conversations within the movement.

15:02

🏛️ The Need for Unity and Focus Within the Conservative Movement

This paragraph emphasizes the importance of unity and focus within the conservative movement, particularly in the context of upcoming elections. It discusses the potential risks of internal conflicts and the need for a unified front to counter the opposing liberal movement. The paragraph also explores the challenges faced by the Republican party, including disagreements over policy and strategy, and the necessity of balancing principles with electoral pragmatism.

20:03

💡 Strategies for Electoral Success and the Role of Spending

The paragraph discusses strategies for electoral success, highlighting the importance of maintaining a balance between establishment and populist candidates. It addresses the challenges of winning statewide races with conservative candidates and the need for strategic planning. The paragraph also critiques reckless spending and open border policies, advocating for fiscal responsibility and secure borders. It concludes with a call to action for the audience to support the podcast and participate in a raffle for signed copies of a book.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Candace Owens

Candace Owens is a conservative commentator and political activist. In the context of the video, she is involved in a public disagreement and a proposed debate with Ben Shapiro, focusing on the definition of anti-Semitism and the situation in Israel. Her departure from DA wire is also mentioned, indicating a recent professional development.

💡Ben Shapiro

Ben Shapiro is a conservative political commentator, author, and lawyer. In the video, he is engaged in a back-and-forth with Candace Owens on social media and is set to debate her on the topics of Israel and anti-Semitism. His views on Israel's relationship with the United States and his stance on free speech within the context of the Daily Wire are also discussed.

💡Daily Wire

The Daily Wire is a conservative news website and media company where both Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro have been associated. In the video, it is mentioned as the platform where Candace Owens no longer works and is a point of contention in the debate proposal between her and Ben Shapiro.

💡Anti-Semitism

Anti-Semitism refers to prejudice, discrimination, or hostility against Jewish people. In the video, it is the central topic of the proposed debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, with both parties seeking to define and discuss the term in the context of current events and political discourse.

💡Israel

Israel is a country in the Middle East and a central topic in the proposed debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro. The discussion revolves around the political stance towards Israel, the United States' involvement, and the broader implications for the conservative movement.

💡Free Speech

Free speech refers to the right to express one's opinions without fear of government retaliation or societal sanction. In the video, Ben Shapiro discusses the Daily Wire's position on free speech, particularly in relation to the platform's content policies and the debate around Candace Owens' departure.

💡Debate

A debate is a formal discussion on a particular topic, typically involving opposing arguments presented by participants. In the video, the proposed debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro is a central event, with discussions around its format, topics, and the platforms on which it should take place.

💡Platform

In the context of the video, a platform refers to a digital or physical space that hosts content, discussions, or debates. The Daily Wire is mentioned as a platform where Candace Owens was previously associated, and the debate's potential platforms are discussed.

💡Conservative Movement

The conservative movement refers to a political and social philosophy that advocates for traditional institutions, practices, and values. In the video, the conversation between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro is situated within the broader context of the conservative movement's internal dynamics and public discourse.

💡Moderator

A moderator is a person who presides over a debate or discussion, ensuring that rules are followed and that participants have equal opportunities to present their points. In the video, the potential role of a moderator in the debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro is a point of contention.

Highlights

Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro's debate arrangement

Candace Owens' departure from DA wire

Megan Kelly's question to Ben Shapiro on anti-semitism

Ben Shapiro's stance on the Daily Wire's position on Israel

Candace Owens' tweet about Andrew Schultz

Candace Owens' challenge to Ben Shapiro for a debate on Israel and anti-semitism

Ben Shapiro's response to Candace Owens' challenge and debate proposal

Candace Owens' preference for a neutral platform for the debate

Ben Shapiro's clarification on the Daily Wire's policy on free speech and content

Jeremy Boreing's involvement and financial contribution to the debate

Candace Owens' insistence on not having the debate on the Daily Wire platform

Ben Shapiro's agreement to Candace Owens' terms for the debate

Discussion on the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian situation

The importance of a unified conservative movement

Concerns about spending and fiscal responsibility within the Republican party

The potential impact of internal divisions on the upcoming election

The role of the Daily Wire as a publisher versus a platform

The debate's expected focus on the definition of anti-semitism

The significance of the debate being moderated by an external party

Transcripts

00:00

Candace Owens and uh uh uh Ben Shapiro

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it's a little bit of a messy situation

00:05

here obviously uh Candace Owens is no

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longer with uh uh DA wire that

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announcement has been made oh no when

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and that that announcement has been made

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for a couple weeks Rob if you can pull

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up the clip with Megan Kelly asking Ben

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Shapiro question because I think Candace

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Owens asked the question saying I want

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to do a podcast and I want to find out

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the definition of what it is to be an

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anti-semite that's what she's asking

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right and then this is a question that

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Megan Kelly asked Ben Shapiro recently

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go ahead to a debate about whether the

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daily wire is Pro free speech the

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accusation is you are until it comes to

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Israel how do you respond we have a wide

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variety of positions on Israel right now

00:42

inside the daily wire Matt Walsh

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obviously is another one of the hosts at

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the daily wire he and I wildly disagree

00:47

about what America's Israel policy

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should be Matt is much more isolationist

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he basically believes the United States

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has no no real interests in the Middle

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East and thus the United States should

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not be providing material support to

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anyone including the state of Israel

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that wire is a a publisher not a

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platform I would never call for anyone

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to be ousted from an actual platform X

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YouTube I I even people who are I I

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think absolutely horrific human beings

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I've never called for any of them to be

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H in fact I've called for them to have

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their accounts restored if they've been

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banned uh that that's not the same thing

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when it comes to Publishers Publishers

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obviously have to decide what sort of

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things they wish to pay for the

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publication of and uh and when it comes

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to you know hosts and and Publishers you

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know parting ways obviously there

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there'll be a non- meeting of the minds

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that's pretty much all I can say on that

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but by the way he's actually being

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straight up saying look I'm I'm not a

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platform I'm a publisher if I want to

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fire somebody I can do because I

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disagree with what they're saying that's

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how I took what he just said right there

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right that's pretty how we all took

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straight up no problem but here's what

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Candace Owens tweeted yesterday that

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kind of started the whole thing I think

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it's right there Rob first she tweets

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this out which we talked about Andrew

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Schultz Andrew I I hope you're happy

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with the fight you've created Andrew for

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a guy that's as funny as you are and we

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watch you couple you've started a war

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Andrew I hope hope you understand the

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amount of pain you're creating on social

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media today uh anyways he says what he

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says there at the bottom Ben Ben Ben

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wait a minute and then Candace responds

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I would like to debate Ben shapir on

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Israel and the current definition of

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anti-semitism can anybody make this

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happen Ben responds back and he says uh

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well I actually sent you a message for

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us to do uh this on February 29th but

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you never uh respond it back or

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something like that if you want to do it

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let's do it Monday uh at uh Nashville at

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wire headquarters okay I think that's

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Ben's response sure Candace I texted you

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on February 29 offering this very thing

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let's do this on my show Monday at 5:00

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p.m. at our studio Nashville 90 minutes

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live stream then she responds back and

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she says uh I'm sure you can appreciate

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why I prefer to keep this off daily wire

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platform as well as true reason why

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we've never been able to make any

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discussions happen let's choose a

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neutral trustworthy platform I vote

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Patrick B DAV I know that guy yeah and

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then he comes back and Ben says the

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following thing Ben says uh uh Rob if

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you can pull his response to that

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Candace I can see why you'd want to hide

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behind a moderator particularly one who

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said we should rename our company the

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daily Jewish wire just yesterday I said

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the daily Israeli wire but it's fine

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I'll said both of them no oneon-one

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Monday 500 P p.m. we can sit down and

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have a healthy debate like adults and

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we'll live stream on X and YouTube take

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it or leave it as to the TR true reasons

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you didn't respond to my offer to sit

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down with you and discuss the issue

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publicly or privately in February I have

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no idea what the hell you're talking

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about okay cool let's keep

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going so then the next thing she says uh

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uh you can go back to the other one

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Robin a back uh uh yeah if you can go

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back to the next tweek Candace puts

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anyways they keep going back and forth

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we even made an offer ourselves a lot of

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names came up uh about uh on uh go to

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one lower than that see what she's got

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that one uh I'm not hiding behind a

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moderator I'm just choosing not to bring

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eyes to daily wire you're rather

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typically removing pbds words from

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proper context to make it seem as though

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he's basisty attacking you rather he

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offered free advice the daily wire would

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not take heat if they were open about

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their priorities but I'll choose to be

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understanding regarding your exhaustive

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sensit sensitivities to everyone

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everywhere would you prefer Charlie Kirk

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or Tim Cass they keep going back and

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forth okay finally uh uh Jeremy boring

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gets inv I I gave a message and we made

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our offer Rob how long is that video if

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it's too long don't know it's 243 don't

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play it we made our offer on what we

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said and she retweeted that can you show

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what she says Patrick bavid just threw

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$250,000 for Lake and Riley's family to

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make this debate open and yes Ben

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Shapiro did take pbd wordss completely

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out of context there was Zero malicious

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intent I'm America first so I'm in

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amazing option to make this charitable

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so we kind of wanted to bring this back

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to America because cace has three kids

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Ben has four kids I have four kids we

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all live in America it should be America

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First not Iran first not Armenia first

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not Israel first it should be America

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first if you think it's Israel first go

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to Israel we all love America we're all

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choosing to raise our kids here Jeremy

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boring response and I think he was the

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one that was able to bring the whole

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thing together it's a Shabbat but I

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think Ben was clear one-on-one inperson

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Nashville Monday 5:00 P p.m. live stream

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on X and YouTube I'll add there will be

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no ads on video No Charge uh to watch it

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no one Cashes in you debated Destiny on

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a show without the moderator less than a

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month ago and have debated plenty of

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people without a moderator on your show

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you asked for a debate if you want it

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come have it then Candace responds and

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says you guys have known all along that

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I will be in London for 2 weeks you've

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known the schedule you've known I'm in

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London you've known for months I'm going

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to be there dailywire employees were

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initiator Slater to be here I certainly

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swing this virtually virtually on Monday

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oneon-one if you guys really just cannot

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wait for me to get back but I'm refusing

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to allow this to happen on dailywire

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platform this request seems perfectly

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reasonable and understandably to

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everyone but daily wire why is itd then

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he finally breaks it down and he says

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this if you can go to Jeremy boring

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tweet that he has by the way Lex

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Freedman got involved Tim got involved

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Rogan didn't get but they Dro Ro Rogan's

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name on there Jeremy boring that's the

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one right there yeah I don't know your

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in international travel schedule Candace

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I know when you wanted to talk to

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someone in the past uh you've flown

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across the world to make it happen he

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would know her travel schedule you're

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her boss what do you mean you don't know

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uh but maybe if he doesn't know it's

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your top two Talent why would you not

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know that person's schedule you as a CO

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should know where your top two Talent is

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you asked for a debate Ben agre to

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debate you don't want it on dailywire

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channel fine we can live stream it to

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your

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channels you don't want to shoot it at

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Daily wire Studio fine we'll rent a

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studio in Nashville you don't want daily

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wire crew fine we'll hire a local crew

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you don't want a daily wire pay for it

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fine you're rich you can pay for it you

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don't want to do it Monday fine let's

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let us know how long you need to prepare

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let us know how long you need to prepare

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we will not agree to moderator no third

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party to put their finger on the scale

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we will not agree to Virtual or edited

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video live inperson 101 the rest of it

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is just noise now Candace then responds

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back to this and she says uh the last

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part if you can go to it which is I

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think go I think that no not not that

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one I think that's the one yeah that's

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the one right there bearing the odd

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insinuation that you didn't know your

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own employees were booked on

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international flights to come join me

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exactly to film your platform this is

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great I fully accept no moderator I will

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get in touch privately to get the set up

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major wi great they pulled it off good

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for you and by the way hey shout out to

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Jeremy boring to do that but Jeremy you

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should have done this 3 months ago two

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months ago man this this this should

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have been set up together but good for

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Jeremy for being able to ask the co the

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company to say guys let's have the

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conversation here we don't need to have

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another moderator from the outside be a

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part of this let's have the talk

07:45

together what are you what what are your

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thoughts on this whole you know

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challenge they've been facing as well as

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the Ben and the Candace conversation can

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you go over that again cuz I miss so she

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she accepted she accepted yes wow okay

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so I'm I'm not as dialed in as you guys

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are on this thing but this is the first

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time I'm hearing about it but it looks

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like it's a done deal and I've had both

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of them on my show I've had Candace I've

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had been I think they're both

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exceptionally talented I usually don't

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get involved in conservative Civil Wars

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and I hate the Israeli situation I mean

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that is a very thorny situation to

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discuss and although what Hamas did is

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horrific obviously but I think it's

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healthy I guess for the conservative

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movement to Hash it out to debate each

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other if they want to have a debate over

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the definition of

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anti-semitism fine have at it I'll watch

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if I have time you know I got two shows

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I have a book out I have four kids but

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I'll do the best I can yeah Vinnie

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thoughts I I don't know I mean like you

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said three months ago this should have

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this should have happened it just it got

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got ridiculously out of hand but I did I

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saw a video of and this is going to the

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the Israel situation that you brought up

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Ben Shapiro there's a video of him

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saying uh somebody somebody asked him in

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a in like a live Forum thing I think it

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was at of college like Ben do you think

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the United States should get involved

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with anything with Israel and Ben said

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something along the lines of absolutely

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not Israel can take care of herself and

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then cut two months later he's like no

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when there's nuclear weapons or whatever

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United States of course we have to get

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this is it this is it right here America

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to fight Wars for Israel nope nope first

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of all Israel can take care of

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herself if Israel is forced to the wall

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the possibility of nuclear exchange is

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extremely high that is why it is very

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that the United States provide the

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material Aid to

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Israel this is going to my point too

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this topic in your nail to Jesse you can

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not there's no winning in this in this

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debate in this conversation it's if you

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care about innocent kids dying you

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support Hamas if you're pro- Israel

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you're you're you're aign there's no

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there's no even in the middle cuz

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there's no winning in this situation I'm

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just interested to see what

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anti-Semitism is in in Ben's eyes

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because as we saw when she was the ating

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uh rabbis she she called shi's daughter

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a hag and this guy went into 17th

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century you know that's anti-semitic she

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posted something Christ is King oh

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that's anti-semitic I could see if

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somebody's genuinely anti-semitic and

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they're they hate Jewish people and they

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hate everything about them but to be

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searching and reaching and trying to

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grab them into it I don't think it helps

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the the conversation at all it doesn't

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do anything well you can't just trust

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any clip on the internet cuz what he was

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specifically talking about is American

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troops involved in Israeli War which

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there are none so it wasn't getting

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involved and to be clear on the funding

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from Israel the United States gives

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Israel $3.3 billion a year and it's in

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the form of foreign military financing

10:45

okay which must be spent to purchase

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weapons so it's not like here here's

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money and they built the Iron Dome with

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this um I'm happy to see that Candace

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and Ben are going to have this

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discussion I thought the video that you

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shot that you sent to them was typical

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pbd Class Act and fair if pbd I'm sorry

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if Candace and Ben were GNA have this

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conversation there would have been no

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better moderator than pbd why for one

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reason he'd be fair to both sides and

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respect both sides so Ben as a Jew who

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supports a lot of the things you say

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have nothing to do with the daily wire

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you could have not have gone wrong going

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with pbd I'll say this last thing this

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whole term

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anti-Semitism um dude I don't even know

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what semitism you might even be a semi

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we are

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conrat no Jews are running around being

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like hey how you doing my Semite uh what

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we're talking about is Jewish hate so by

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the way there's a difference between

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Israel Jews and Judaism Israel is a

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country Jews are a people and Judaism is

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a religion you can criticize Israel all

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you want just like you can criticize any

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country you can't criticize or condemn

11:56

their right to exist so Jews have a

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little uh you know strong feelings on

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the whole genocide thing uh especially

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when the Harvard MIT pen presidents

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couldn't condemn so I think it's a

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Nuance conversation I'm happy to have

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them see them have this conversation

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criticize Israel just like you can be

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I'm an American I criticize the

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government all I want criticize

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Netanyahu criticize Benny gun criticize

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policies the The River To The Sea this

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chant that people are saying that means

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eliminating the country and the people

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of Israel big difference what what so

12:34

here's my thing do you even know what

12:36

what caused them to get rid of Candace

12:39

what did Candace do that you're talking

12:41

about that had them go she has to go you

12:44

know the answer to that what you know

12:45

the answer to that what stay tuned for

12:47

their conversation coming up you agree

12:49

with the the poll shows they think

12:51

Candace is going to win

12:54

78% that's well well because guess what

12:57

uh she he's going to bring I mean

12:59

obviously he's going to stand strong

13:00

with the Israel I think he's going to

13:02

100% take that angle and the hate and

13:04

all the stuff that Adam was talking

13:04

about she is going to speak y by the way

13:06

he's brilliant she's going to spit facts

13:09

too she's never said anything I think if

13:12

I think if

13:13

anybody's coaching either side like if

13:16

and not like either one of them need

13:17

help from anybody I think uh uh Ben has

13:21

studied the history of worri he's from

13:23

his entire life just like when Putin sat

13:26

down with tu Tucker he started with a

13:28

history lesson

13:29

Ukraine right and that's you think

13:32

Candace is going to sit and not

13:33

interrupt during a history lesson no way

13:36

no but but the difference

13:38

is Putin is long winded Ben Shapiro is

13:41

going to give boom boom boom boom and

13:45

then the other canace is going to do the

13:47

same I think it's going to be very very

13:50

um I think the world one because this is

13:52

something everybody wants to see I think

13:54

it's going to be very entertaining let

13:55

me let me let me let's go to it though

13:56

right so if there's no moderator both

13:59

these people speak a 100 miles a minute

14:01

for sure nobody speaks as fast as Ben no

14:04

one but she's not far behind how is this

14:07

going to be a car crash for an hour

14:10

how's that going to look that's what we

14:11

said yesterday Jesse unless somebody's

14:12

there going okay wait a minute you have

14:14

2 minutes go wait a minute stop

14:16

interrupting it's going to be a

14:18

show that's going to be very difficult

14:19

no I think they'll be professionals I

14:21

think they'll be professionals because

14:22

they well by the way if they don't it's

14:24

a bad look for both of them so it's not

14:25

like it's not going to be good

14:27

television if it's just talking over

14:29

what's this Zero Hedge did something

14:30

with Alex Jones and uh Destiny who was

14:33

was it them that they did it and it was

14:36

the feedback was because you you if you

14:40

have a person that

14:43

is like an Alex that is a pitbull is

14:46

going to go and if you can't stop and

14:48

control he's going to go right in this

14:52

situation they're both going to be

14:54

professionals I actually think it's

14:55

going to be good and I'm looking forward

14:56

to it but it would obviously be easier

14:59

when there's a referee today right

15:01

before here I went to the game and shout

15:03

out to Dilly boy Dilly hit a home run

15:05

today I went I'm going to suit what the

15:08

hell is wrong with I record a whole

15:09

thing by the way he hits a home run and

15:11

I come here but while I'm there I asked

15:13

this uh this uh one of the fathers I

15:15

said hey man why is the referee standing

15:18

behind the pitcher why is he not behind

15:19

the catcher he says this is why the game

15:21

started 15 minutes late because the

15:22

other referee didn't show up we only

15:23

have one referee every game needs a

15:26

referee every sport needs a referee

15:28

businesses need referees and debates

15:29

need referees I agree that's all it is

15:31

and and by the way the whole purpose of

15:33

a moderate I remember one time dtz and

15:35

um uh uh RFK got a hold of me four years

15:38

ago they said we're doing a debate about

15:41

the vaccine and DT's position was the

15:44

government can force you to take the

15:45

vaccine according to this I don't know

15:46

if you remember this this was like three

15:47

and a half years ago and RFK is like

15:50

hell no they called and they said we

15:53

want you to be the moderator and then I

15:55

was the moderator out of the two hours

15:57

that they spoke you know how much I

15:59

spoke maybe less than 3 minutes because

16:02

because it was like boom jumping out

16:04

they go 20 minutes boom jumping out they

16:06

go 20 minutes so that would be the case

16:08

you remember the first I believe it was

16:10

Trump Biden debate with Chris Wallace

16:13

the moderator yes I do I do little

16:16

biased that could that could happen I

16:18

mean anything could happen that's the

16:19

risk by the way the the Candace Destiny

16:22

debate was an hour after the pbd town

16:26

hall Cuomo yeah Candace debate and the

16:29

first conversation they had on there was

16:32

oh how you doing where you coming from

16:33

she goes oh I just did the pbd podcast

16:36

and she goes Destiny because he's been

16:38

on your show my show multiple times

16:39

Destiny goes you know what pbd Adam

16:41

they're Fair like he so but um wait wait

16:45

a minute no no he said he likes you he

16:47

doesn't like me but chandice said

16:50

they're so Destiny is team Adam and

16:53

shout out to team Adam and Destiny you

16:55

guys I'm on team fairness and

16:57

conversation no but I know what say but

16:59

that's what Candace Jess you said before

17:02

this um Candice Ben

17:05

implosion a month ago two months ago it

17:08

was Ben versus Tucker and they were

17:10

going back and forth and our friend Dave

17:12

Rubin was trying to moderate uh a

17:15

conversation shout out to Dave um now

17:18

it's Ben Candice but you said earlier

17:20

you don't like to see conservatives

17:22

attacking each other it breaks my heart

17:24

where do you stand on Tucker and Ben and

17:26

these types of conversations right yeah

17:29

I love Tucker I haven't followed that

17:31

beef either as much it's hard to get in

17:33

the weeds when it comes to this stuff I

17:34

like making the left fight each other I

17:36

don't like when we fight each other I

17:38

like us unified although it's healthy

17:41

when we fight I don't know if it's a

17:43

good look um you know they are totally

17:47

motivated to left they are 100% a mob

17:51

when they're unified and they stay on

17:53

message they just steamroll and anything

17:56

goes and they ends justify the means if

18:00

the Republican movement or the

18:02

conservative movement is constantly

18:04

fighting over each other which is fine

18:06

which is healthy and a

18:08

primary if you're not going to monetize

18:11

it what are we doing

18:13

here I don't know I I I like aiming I

18:17

like aiming the weapons at the other

18:18

side theoretically not literally yeah

18:22

but I do I do we got a big election

18:23

coming up so this is fun I like watching

18:26

it's

18:27

entertaining um

18:29

I I just I just feel like I'd like to

18:32

train our focus in other places well you

18:34

know and this is a personal beat this is

18:36

personal I get yeah of course U cuz

18:38

Tucker is starting his new company T

18:41

right it's a b they jocking for Market

18:43

sh so um speaking of infighting you know

18:47

your Fox News you know what's going on

18:49

around the country uh The Establishment

18:53

Maga rhinos M like where where do you

18:56

see this in fighting you see margerie

18:58

Taylor green

18:59

Mike Johnson you know the house the

19:01

speaker Kevin McCarthy there's going to

19:03

be infighting regardless we were at the

19:06

event with Matt Gates I don't think this

19:08

is going to stop where do you where do

19:10

as someone who has very good perspective

19:12

where do you see the establishment

19:14

Republican party the Reagan you know

19:17

McConnell side of things versus the new

19:20

King in town Trump they don't have the

19:23

margins in the house to be fighting like

19:26

they're

19:26

fighting what is it one two three four

19:29

it's a few seats so if one guy says

19:32

Johnson you're out that's it or girl

19:35

Marg tillay green or girl yeah that

19:37

you're done and then so they have no

19:39

control and and then that's how you get

19:42

all of this funding for all of these

19:43

wars and you know you can say what you

19:45

want about Ukraine but you know you're

19:47

not going to get anything done maybe we

19:49

don't want anything done but it doesn't

19:52

seem to me like the establishment is uh

19:55

feeling confident these days it feels

19:58

like the magga movement or the populist

20:00

movement has taken full control over the

20:02

party but you still need to maintain

20:06

electability and establishment

20:08

candidates in Senate races because in

20:11

certain

20:12

races you might not be able to win in a

20:16

Statewide race with a full-throated

20:18

magga conservative you might have to run

20:20

someone a little bit more to the center

20:23

and that's something for Mitch McConnell

20:24

to figure out and that's something for

20:26

the donors to figure out but I like

20:29

yeah and I'd rather win than than than

20:33

lose uh honorably or um or purely uh I

20:38

like majorities in the house and the

20:40

Senate I like the White House and so I

20:43

want to do whatever I can to make sure

20:45

we have a unified party going into this

20:47

election because if we're not unified

20:50

we're going to lose well what's your

20:52

solution for UniFi cuz you know you're

20:54

like winning I think a lot I think

20:56

spending is the big problem I think

20:57

spending an IM migration there's a lot

20:59

of Knucklehead Republicans that don't

21:01

care they'll just spend the money and

21:03

they'll bankrupt the country and they're

21:05

okay with open borders and that's a huge

21:07

problem but they hide and I think

21:09

there's more of them than we even

21:11

realize really oh yeah like big names

21:13

influential names I think I think almost

21:15

a majority of House

21:17

Republicans don't care about deficits

21:20

and you would have to agree with that

21:22

deficits for sure spending in the

21:24

deficits and when they got a shot to

21:27

build the wall under Trump when they had

21:29

majorities they didn't build a wall

21:30

Trump had to scream bloody murder to get

21:33

that funding it was only two billion now

21:36

they're throwing around 80 billion over

21:38

here 90 billion over here I think the

21:41

donor class and a lot of these

21:43

corporations they love the open border I

21:45

mean look at these jobs reports a lot of

21:48

these jobs are migrant jobs and they put

21:50

downward pressure on wages you bring

21:52

them in they're filling up hotels if

21:54

you're a hotel owner in Manhattan you

21:57

have fully booked rooms from now until

21:59

next year yep so it's just new customers

22:03

to the corporate class and a lot of the

22:05

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22:07

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