Ex-Trump official predicts Melania's behavior amid Trump criminal trial

CNN
11 Apr 202408:30

Summary

TLDRتتناول النقاشات القانونية الجارية حول الجهود المتكررة والفاشلة لفريق الدفاع عن الرئيس السابق ترامب لتأجيل محاكمته، بما في ذلك محاولات اللجوء إلى محكمة الاستئناف والمحكمة العليا لطلب تعليق القضية بناءً على حصانة الرئيس. يشير الخبراء إلى أن هذه الجهود قليلة الفرص للنجاح نظرًا للإشارات الواضحة من محاكم نيويورك والتوقيت غير المناسب لتقديم الطلبات. تتطرق النقاشات أيضًا إلى دوافع ترامب الشخصية والعواقب المحتملة لانتهاكاته المتكررة لأوامر الصمت، مع التركيز على التأثير الشخصي والعام لهذه الأفعال.

Takeaways

  • 📚 القضية تدور حول مدفوعات ال封口费 التي تمت لتأثير في الانتخابات.
  • 👨‍⚖️ المحكمة في نيويورك تشير إلى أن القضية ستستمر وwon't stop.
  • 🏛️ الCour of Appeals في نيويورك ستصدر قرارًا بسرعة بشأن الدعوات وال上訴.
  • 💭 الSupreme Court هو البطاقة الغير متوقعة في هذه القضية.
  • 🤔 القضية المتعلقة بالحصانة الرئاسية ليست نفس القضية التي ينظر فيها الSupreme Court.
  • 🚫 القضية لا تهم بالضرورة ما إذا كان ترامب كان يمارس علاقة مع ستورمي دانيلز.
  • 🧐 ترامب قد يواجه صعوبات كبيرة إذا اتخذ القرار الشخصي لل出庭.
  • 🗣️ ترامب يشير إلى التهميش والكذب في النشرات على وسائل التواصل الاجتماعي.
  • 👥 ترامب يعلم أن الجمهور يدرك أن القضية الشخصية له وأنه يحاول تجنبه.
  • 💔 ترامب يتوقع أن يواجه العداء بسبب النشرات التي ينشرها، وأنه لا يريد العداء.
  • 👩‍💼 ملانيا ترامب هي الشخص الشخص الذي تؤثر عليه القضية والrittmost لل她.

Q & A

  • What is the main legal issue being discussed in the transcript?

    -The main legal issue discussed is the possibility of further appeals by Trump's legal team in the case involving hush payments and potential immunity concerns.

  • What is Ryan Goodman's view on the likelihood of success in the New York courts?

    -Ryan Goodman believes that the New York courts will not stop the trial and that they are signaling a full steam ahead approach, indicating that the trial date is set in stone.

  • How does the Supreme Court factor into this case?

    -The Supreme Court is considered a wildcard, with the possibility that Trump's lawyers could bring the case before it, although the specific immunity question raised is not the same as federal immunity and might not be the kind of case the Supreme Court would typically take up.

  • What was the reason behind the judge's ruling on the untimeliness of the motion?

    -The judge ruled the motion was untimely because the Trump team had ample time to submit it but waited until the last minute, leading the judge to suspect other motives.

  • Why is Trump trying to delay the case despite its potential being the least damaging against him?

    -The case is very personal and embarrassing for Trump, especially in front of his family and his wife, Melania, which is why he is trying to delay it.

  • What impact could Trump's social media posts have on the trial and the safety of witnesses?

    -Trump's social media posts, which label the witnesses as liars, could potentially put Stormy Daniels in danger and are considered a stark violation of the gag order.

  • How has Trump's behavior been in previous legal situations when under pressure?

    -In previous legal situations, such as the Jean Carroll deposition, Trump has not fared well under pressure, often hurting his case with his testimony.

  • What is the main focus of the hush payments case?

    -The hush payments case is primarily about whether the payments were made to influence the election, not about the actual affair between Trump and Stormy Daniels.

  • What is the role of the jury in this case?

    -The jury's role is to judge the witnesses based on their testimony in court and the instructions provided by the judge, which is a crucial part of maintaining the integrity of the trial.

  • Is there a concern that Trump's actions could lead to increased threats against witnesses?

    -Yes, there is a concern that his actions, such as calling witnesses liars, could lead to increased threats against them, potentially jeopardizing the integrity of the trial.

  • What is the potential consequence for Trump if he continues to defy the gag order?

    -While it is unclear, there is a possibility that Trump could face jail time for violating the gag order, especially if he continues to do so defiantly.

Outlines

00:00

📚 Legal Analysis on Trump's Court Cases

The paragraph discusses the legal challenges faced by former President Trump, with legal analyst Ryan Goodman and former White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham providing insights. The conversation revolves around the likelihood of Trump's attempts to appeal cases in New York courts and the possibility of taking the matter to the Supreme Court. Goodman suggests that the New York courts are unlikely to halt the proceedings, while Grisham shares her perspective on the personal implications of the case for Trump and his family, particularly his wife Melania. The discussion also touches on the potential consequences of Trump's social media posts and their violation of gag orders.

05:01

💬 Trump's Social Media and Gag Order Violations

This paragraph focuses on the impact of Trump's social media activity on the ongoing legal proceedings, especially in relation to the gag order. The panelists discuss the potential danger posed to witnesses like Stormy Daniels due to Trump's public comments. They also debate whether Trump's actions are intentionally defying the judge's orders and the potential legal consequences he might face. Grisham shares her knowledge of Trump's past interactions with gag orders and suggests that he may not face any significant consequences for his actions, based on past experiences.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Appeals Court

The Appeals Court is a legal venue where parties can challenge the decisions made by lower courts. In the context of the video, it is mentioned as a potential next step for the legal team to take in their efforts to halt or delay the trial. The video suggests that the Appeals Court might not be successful in stopping the trial, as the New York courts have been firm in their rulings.

💡Supreme Court

The Supreme Court is the highest court in the federal judiciary of the United States, and it has the authority to interpret the Constitution and make final decisions on matters of federal law. In the video, it is referred to as a 'wildcard' in the sense that it could potentially intervene in the case, although it is considered a long shot due to the nature of the immunity issue being different from previous cases.

💡Immunity

Immunity refers to protection from prosecution or legal consequences. In the video, the discussion revolves around the question of whether certain evidence can be used against the individual due to claims of presidential immunity. However, the immunity in question is not about being immune from prosecution but rather about the admissibility of evidence.

💡Trial Date

The trial date is the scheduled date on which a legal proceeding begins. In the context of the video, there is an emphasis on the fact that the trial date is firm and unlikely to be delayed, despite the legal team's efforts to seek delays through various courts.

💡Hail Mary

A 'Hail Mary' is a term borrowed from American football, referring to a desperate, last-ditch effort with little chance of success. In the video, this term is used to describe the legal strategy of taking the case to the Supreme Court, indicating that it is seen as a desperate move with low odds of success.

💡Gag Order

A gag order is a legal order issued by a court prohibiting certain individuals or parties from discussing publicly certain aspects of a legal case. In the video, it is mentioned that such an order has been issued in this case, and there is discussion about whether public statements made by Trump might violate this order.

💡Witness Intimidation

Witness intimidation refers to the act of threatening or coercing a witness to influence their testimony or to prevent them from testifying. In the video, there is concern that public statements could lead to increased threats against witnesses, potentially violating the gag order and undermining the integrity of the trial.

💡Public Attention

Public attention refers to the focus or interest of the general public on a particular issue or event. In the context of the video, it is suggested that Trump's legal team and his wife, Melania, are concerned about managing the public narrative and perception of the case, which could influence their legal strategy and public image.

💡Social Media Posts

Social media posts are messages, comments, or content shared on social media platforms. In the video, there is discussion about the potential impact of Trump's social media posts on the legal proceedings, particularly in relation to the gag order and the safety of witnesses.

💡Consequences

Consequences refer to the results or effects of an action or decision. In the context of the video, it is suggested that Trump may not have faced consequences for previous violations of gag orders, which could influence his future behavior and compliance with legal directives.

Highlights

Discussion on the possibility of appeals in the case involving former President Trump.

Legal analyst's view that New York courts are unlikely to halt the trial进程.

The Supreme Court considered as a wildcard in the case.

Concerns about the use of evidence in the trial due to claims of presidential immunity.

The untimeliness of Trump's motion and the judge's suspicion of other motives.

Stephanie Grisham's insight into Melania Trump's perspective on the case and her influence on Trump.

The potential embarrassment and humiliation for Melania Trump regarding the case.

The likelihood of Trump taking the stand despite the risks involved.

The focus on whether hush payments were made to influence the election.

The impact of Trump's social media posts on the gag order and potential threats to witnesses.

The judge's specific gag order regarding comments on witnesses.

The process of selecting jurors and the importance of their impartiality.

The potential consequences of violating the gag order.

Grisham's view on Trump's defiance against gag orders and his perception of not facing consequences.

The discussion on the likelihood of Trump facing jail time for contempt of court.

The analysis of Trump's legal strategy and its effectiveness.

The examination of the potential impact of the trial on Trump's public image and future campaigns.

Transcripts

00:00

APPEALS THIS WEEK OR BEFORE

00:01

MONDAY.

00:02

>> ALL RIGHT, PAULA, THANK YOU

00:03

VERY MUCH ROCHA IS WITH ME NOW,

00:06

THE FORMER SDNY DIVISION CHIEF

00:08

RYAN GOODMAN ARE LEGAL ANALYST

00:09

AND STEPHANIE GRISHAM, THE

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FORMER TRUMP WHITE HOUSE PRESS

00:12

SECRETARY SO MANY THREE DAYS,

00:14

THREE EFFORTS, THREE FAILURES,

00:15

AS PAULA SAID, UNCLEAR WHAT

00:16

ELSE THEY COULD TRY TO DO, BUT

00:17

SHE LAID OUT ONE POSSIBILITY

00:20

THAT WE COULD TRY TO GO TO THE

00:21

APPEALS COURT, FAIL, TRY TO GO

00:22

TO THE SUPREME COURT, TRIED TO

00:23

GET A STAY THERE ON THIS CASE

00:24

WHILE IMMUNITY IS DECIDED, IS

00:26

ANY OF THIS REALISTIC?

00:28

>> I THINK THERE'S NOTHING

00:29

THAT THEY CAN DO IN THE NEW

00:32

YORK COURTS THAT WILL STOP THIS

00:34

I THINK THE NEW YORK COURTS ARE

00:37

REPEATEDLY SIGNALLING BOTH THE

00:39

JUDGE, THE TRIAL JUDGE, THE

00:41

APPELLATE DIVISION HAS ALREADY

00:42

DONE THIS AND I BELIEVE THE

00:45

COURT OF APPEALS WILL ALSO

00:47

RULING VERY QUICKLY ON THESE

00:50

REPEATED MOTIONS AND APPEALS.

00:52

THEY ARE SEEMED TO BE A FULL

00:53

STEAM AHEAD THAT THIS IS A REAL

00:55

TRIAL DATE AND IT'S STICKING.

00:56

I THINK THE SUPREME COURT IS

00:58

ALWAYS A WILDCARD HERE. I MEAN,

01:00

WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE

01:02

IMMUNITY IN THE FEDERAL CASE.

01:05

AND SO THAT ONE IS A LITTLE BIT

01:07

HARDER TO SAY THAT CAN'T

01:09

POSSIBLY HAPPEN IF TRUMP BRINGS

01:10

IT TO THE SUPREME COURT. IF HIS

01:13

LAWYERS DO

01:14

>> BUT

01:15

>> I REALLY TRIED TO STAY AWAY

01:17

FROM PROTECTIONS WHEN IT COMES

01:18

TO ANYTHING REGARDING FORMER

01:21

PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT I THINK

01:22

THE TRIALS GOING ON MONDAY.

01:24

YEAH. RYAN, DO YOU THINK THAT

01:25

THERE'S SUPREME COURT WILDCARD

01:28

IS MAINLY DESCRIBES IT. IS

01:29

THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT THAT

01:30

THAT COMES IN IS THAT IS THAT

01:33

THE FINAL HAIR MARRY?

01:34

>> I THINK IT IS, BUT IT'S A

01:34

REAL HAIL MARY THAT'S ALMOST

01:35

DURING THE BALL OUTSIDE THE

01:38

STADIUM.

01:38

>> I LIKE IT. WE'RE USING ALL

01:39

THE RELIGIOUS AND SPORTS

01:41

ANALOGIES

01:43

>> EVERYTHING WOULD GO AHEAD.

01:43

>> AND PARTLY BECAUSE THE

01:44

IMMUNITY QUESTION THAT HE'S IS

01:45

RAISING IS NOT THE SAME AS THE

01:47

SUPREME COURT IS CURRENTLY

01:48

DECIDING THAT HE IS IMMUNE FROM

01:48

ACTUALLY BEING TRIED FROM

01:51

PROSECUTION. HE'S REALLY

01:52

TRYING TO SAY BECAUSE OF

01:53

PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY, SOME

01:54

EVIDENCE CAN'T BE USED AGAINST

01:55

ME SO NOT THE KIND OF CASE THAT

01:57

THE COURT WOULD TAKE UP SO TO

02:00

HAVE TO BE SOME THINGS SO

02:01

BIZARRE FOR THEM TO DRESS IT.

02:02

AND IT'S NOT EVEN A RULING ON

02:04

THE MERITS. THE JUDGE ACTUALLY

02:05

JUST SAID YOUR MOTION IS

02:06

COMPLETELY UNTIMELY. YOU HAD A

02:07

TIME TO DO IT, AND THEN YOU

02:10

WAITED UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE,

02:11

EVEN FOR ME TO SUSPECT YOU HAVE

02:12

OTHER MOTIVES FOR DOING IT. SO

02:14

THEN ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE

02:15

APPEALING LIKE, OH, WE SHOULD

02:16

HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SUBMIT THE

02:17

MOTION, NOT THE QUESTION. I'M

02:18

IMMUNITY ITSELF. SO THAT JUST

02:21

SEEMS HE SHOULD THROW THE BALL,

02:22

BUT IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT IT

02:24

LANDS. ALL RIGHT,

02:25

>> SO SO STEPHANIE, THE CONTEXT

02:27

OF THIS OBVIOUSLY TRUMP'S LEGAL

02:28

TEAM KNOWS THESE, THESE DON'T,

02:30

THESE AREN'T SERIOUS LEGAL

02:31

MOVES. THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE

02:32

DOING IT, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE HE

02:33

WANTS THEM TO DO IT. SO EPIS

02:35

LAST MOMENT, THERE'S THIS

02:36

FRENETIC DESIRE TO HAVE THIS

02:38

CASE DELAYED SO WHY IS TRUMP

02:42

DOING THAT? STEPHANIE SO THIS

02:46

CASE, MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID IS

02:48

PROBABLY THE LEAST DAMAGING

02:49

AGAINST HIM. I DON'T DISAGREE

02:52

WITH THAT, HOWEVER, THIS IS

02:53

VERY PERSONAL TO HIM. THIS IS

02:55

AN EMBARRASSMENT TO HIM FOUR

02:57

WITH HIS FAMILY AND MORE

02:58

IMPORTANTLY, WITH HIS WIFE

03:00

MELANIA. AND I SPENT A TON OF

03:01

TIME WITH HER WHEN THE NEWS WAS

03:03

BREAKING ABOUT STORMY DANIELS

03:04

WHEN WE WERE IN THE WHITE

03:05

HOUSE. AND THEN OF COURSE WITH

03:08

KAREN MCDOUGAL, WHO WAS THE

03:09

FORMER PLAYBOY PLAYMATE. WHEN

03:11

THOSE CAME OUT THAT HE

03:12

ALLEGEDLY HAD THESE AFFAIRS AND

03:13

SHE DIDN'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY AT

03:15

ALL. WE WENT TO THE STATE OF

03:16

THE UNION SEPARATELY. SHE

03:18

REFUSED TO WALK OUT TO MARINE

03:19

ONE WITH HIM BECAUSE SHE DID

03:20

NOT WANT TO BE LIKE HILLARY

03:21

CLINTON AND STANDING BY HER

03:23

MAN. SHE'S A VERY INDEPENDENT

03:24

AND STRONG WOMAN AND I MIGHT

03:26

ADD, THERE HAVE BEEN ARTICLES

03:27

JUST RECENTLY THAT SHE'S HIS

03:28

SECRET WEAPON FOR THIS FOR THIS

03:32

UPCOMING CAMPAIGN. AND SO I

03:33

WOULD IMAGINE THAT SHE IS

03:35

PUSHING HIM TO MAKE THIS STOP.

03:37

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SHE WILL

03:37

PUSH HIM TO GO ON THE STAND AND

03:39

DEFEND HIMSELF BECAUSE THIS IS

03:42

THIS IS VERY, VERY EMBARRASSING

03:44

FOR HER. IT'S HUMILIATING FOR

03:45

HER. AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU

03:47

THAT SHE'S NOT HAPPY RIGHT NOW

03:48

AND THAT HE'S QUITE WORRIED

03:50

ABOUT THAT.

03:51

>> ALL RIGHT. SO HIM GOING ON

03:53

THE STAND, RIGHT

03:54

>> IN THIS

03:55

>> CASE, OBVIOUSLY, HE TRIES TO

03:56

MAKE IT ABOUT WHETHER HE DID OR

03:57

DID NOT SLEEP WITH STORMY

03:58

DANIELS THIS CASE IS ACTUALLY

04:00

ABOUT HUSH BUDDING PAYMENTS

04:02

WHICH WERE PAID AS TO WHETHER

04:04

THEY WERE DONE TO INFLUENCE THE

04:05

ELECTION, RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT

04:06

SOMETHING ELSE, BUT

04:07

NONETHELESS, HE, BECAUSE OF

04:08

WHAT STEPHANIE SAID, IS GOING

04:09

TO MAKE IT ABOUT THAT OTHER

04:10

THING, WHETHER HE DID OR

04:11

DIDN'T

04:12

>> DOES HE GO ON A STAND?

04:14

>> I THINK IT'D BE IN DEEP

04:14

TROUBLE AT ONE LEVEL. IT

04:15

ACTUALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER

04:16

OR NOT THEY HAD AN AFFAIR

04:18

BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT WHETHER

04:19

OR NOT THEY WERE TRYING TO

04:19

SILENCE HER WRITING.

04:21

>> IT'S ALMOST YEAH THE DECIR

04:22

DIDN'T DID THEY WRITE AND THEN

04:25

WE'VE SEEN HIM OPERATE KIND OF

04:27

ON THE STAND UNDER PRESSURE IN

04:29

A COUPLE OF SITUATIONS IN WHICH

04:30

IT DIDN'T GO WELL FOR HIM. SO

04:31

THE E JEAN CARROLL DEPOSITION

04:34

DOES NOT GO WELL FOR HIM. YOU

04:35

ACTUALLY A THE WOMEN LAWYER

04:36

WHO'S REPRESENTING E. JEAN

04:38

CARROLL AND HE REPEATS THE

04:40

HOLLYWOOD ACCESS TAPE IN FRONT

04:41

OF HER IN A WAY THAT'S JUST

04:43

VERY BAD. RAMAN VERY DAMAGING

04:44

FOR HIM. AND THEN IN THE CIVIL

04:45

FRAUD CASE, THE JUDGE ACTUALLY

04:47

SAYS THAT WHEN TRUMP WAS ON THE

04:49

STAND, HE ENDED UP BEING NON

04:51

CREDIBLE. HE HURT HIS CASE. SO

04:52

I THINK IT'D BE VERY BAD AND

04:53

FOR HIM FOR THAT REASON, BUT

04:55

FOR PERSONAL REASONS, HAVING TO

04:56

DO WITH HIS WIFE TRYING TO TRY

04:58

TO WIN PUBLIC ATTENTION OR THE

05:00

PUBLIC STORY OR NARRATIVE

05:02

THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER. BUT

05:03

FOR LEGAL MATTER HAD BEEN DEEP

05:04

IN DEEP TROUBLE AND THAT IS

05:06

ULTIMATELY WHAT I MEAN, WHAT

05:07

ULTIMATELY MATTERS WN IT

05:08

COMES TO THE OUTCOME? THERE'S

05:10

ALSO THE ISSUE OF THOSE, THOSE

05:11

SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS AND I

05:12

MENTIONED ONE OF THEM WERE

05:12

TRUMP IN COMPLIMENTING JUST

05:14

STORMY DANIELS, FORMER LAWYER

05:16

MICHAEL AVANADE, WHO HAS NOW

05:17

GONE FULL BORE ON TEAM TRUMP

05:19

SLAMS A STORMY DANIELS AND

05:20

MICHAEL COHEN AS WHAT WERE THE

05:22

WORD SLEAZE BAGS AND LIARS AND

05:25

THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S A

05:26

LITTLE BIT MORE THAT HAPPENED

05:30

HERE WHEN I SPOKE TO THE

05:31

DIRECTOR OF THE NEW DOCUMENT OR

05:31

WE JUST SAW STORMY DANIELS

05:32

SPEAKING IN THAT NEW DOCUMENT

05:34

OR I WANT TO PLAY MORE FROM IT

05:35

IN TERMS OF WHAT STORMY DANIELS

05:37

DESCRIBED AS TO WHAT HAPPENED

05:37

TO HER AFTER TRUMP WAS INDICTED

05:39

IN THIS CASE AND SHE WAS THE

05:40

NAME AT THE CENTER OF IT.

05:41

HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.

05:44

>> BACK IN 2018. THAT WAS STUFF

05:46

LIKE LIAR GOLD DIGGER

05:51

>> THIS TIME AROUND IS VERY

05:51

DIFFERENT.

05:52

>> IT

05:54

>> IS DIRECT THREATS IT IS.

05:56

I'M GOING TO COME TO YOUR

05:57

HOUSE AND SLIT YOUR THROAT.

05:58

YOUR DAUGHTER SHOULD BE

05:59

EUTHANIZED THEY'RE NOT EVEN

06:01

USING ACCOUNTS THEY'RE USING

06:02

THEIR REAL ACCOUNTS

06:06

>> SO IN THAT CONTEXT, TODAY,

06:08

TRUMP COMES OUT AND SAYS WHAT

06:11

HE SAYS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, IS

06:12

THAT A VIOLATION OF THE GAG

06:14

ORDER? AND HE PUTTING STORMY

06:15

DANIELS, WHO IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA

06:16

BE THE WITNESS AT THE CENTER AT

06:17

ONE OF THE WITNESSES AT THE

06:18

CENTER OF THIS IN REAL DANGER?

06:20

06:21

>> SO I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER

06:22

IS YES IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN

06:26

JUDGES MAKE ORDERS. SO SPECIFIC

06:29

AS THE JUDGE DID IN THIS CASE,

06:30

RIGHT? I MEAN, IT WASN'T JUST A

06:32

YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT

06:34

ANYONE WHICH WOULD BE TOO

06:35

BROAD. IT WAS ABOUT THE

06:37

SPECIFIC WITNESSES IN THE CASE

06:39

AND THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THEY

06:41

THINGS THAT WILL CAUSE

06:41

INTIMIDATION AND THAT WILL

06:44

PREJUDICE THE JURY. I MEAN,

06:45

THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF THIS.

06:47

YES.

06:47

>> THIS CAN LEAD TO

06:49

>> INCREASED THREATS WHICH ARE

06:53

HORRIBLE. THE THREAT SHE'S

06:53

DESCRIBING THERE AGAINST HER,

06:54

ALTHOUGH I THINK THOSE ARE

06:56

GOING TO HAPPEN REGARDLESS, BUT

06:57

I'M SURE THERE IS A LIKELY

06:59

UPTICK IN THESE AFTER A POST

07:01

LIKE THIS. BUT IT ALSO, I MEAN,

07:03

WE ARE NOW DAYS AWAY FROM A

07:06

TRIAL STARTING. THE JUDGE IS

07:09

TRYING TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY

07:11

OF THE TRIAL WITH THE ORDER.

07:13

>> RIGHT. THE WITNESSES NEED TO

07:14

BE JUDGED BY THE JURY. THAT IS

07:17

STARTING TO BE CHOSEN ALREADY

07:18

BECAUSE THE QUESTIONNAIRES HAVE

07:20

FANOUT. THE JURORS NEED TO

07:23

JUDGE THE WITNESSES BY THEIR

07:26

TESTIMONY IN COURT WITH

07:28

INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE JUDGE. I

07:29

MEAN, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR A

07:30

REASON. AND SO TRUMP COMING OUT

07:33

AND CALLING THEM LIARS IS ABOUT

07:34

AS STARK A VIOLATION AS YOU CAN

07:38

GET.

07:38

>> AND SO STEPHANIE TRUMP.

07:40

KNOWS THAT. IS HE TAUNTING THE

07:41

JUDGE ME? DOES HE WANT TO FACE

07:44

POSSIBLE JAIL AND SEE IF THE

07:46

JUDGE WILL ACTUALLY DO IT FOR

07:48

VIOLATING THESE GAG ORDERS

07:49

>> HE DEFINITELY DOES NOT WANT

07:50

TO FACE JAIL. I CAN GUARANTEE

07:51

YOU THAT, BUT AS HE TALKED TO

07:53

THE JUDGE, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN,

07:54

HE'S HAD HOW MANY GAG ORDERS

07:57

ALREADY. I KNOW WE GOT FINED

07:58

LIKE $10,000 FOR VIOLATING IT.

07:59

ONE TIME, BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE

08:01

SOME OF THESE JUDGES ARE

08:02

BENDING OVER BACKWARDS SO THAT

08:03

HE'S NOT LOOKING PERSECUTED

08:06

WHERE I BELIEVE I COULD BE

08:07

WRONG. THE LEGAL EXPERTS MIGHT

08:09

KNOW BETTER, BUT OTHER PEOPLE

08:10

WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN IN JAIL

08:11

BY NOW FOR SO DEFIANTLY GOING

08:14

AGAINST THESE ORDERS FROM A

08:15

JUDGE. SO HE THINKS HE'S NOT

08:17

GONNA GET ANY CONSEQUENCES

08:18

BECAUSE HE HASN'T SO FAR,

08:20

WHICH IS HOW TRUMP LIVES. THINK

08:22

ABOUT HIS WHOLE LIFE. HE

08:23

HASN'T HAD ANY CONSEQUENCES SO

08:24

FAR. SO HE'S GOING TO KEEP

08:26

DOING IT ABSOLUTELY. UNTIL

08:28

THERE IS AN ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES

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