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28 Apr 202418:09

Summary

TLDRIn a recent discussion, the host of 'Pod Save America' and 'Pod Save the World', Tommy Vietor, addresses the passage of the $95 billion foreign aid bill, emphasizing its critical importance to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. Despite opposition from far-right Republicans like Marjorie Taylor Greene, the bill's signing by President Biden signals a commitment to support Ukraine against Russian aggression. The conversation also touches on the potential impact of a TikTok ban on the youth demographic, the political implications of Donald Trump's legal challenges, and the importance of supporting progressive media outlets amidst the current political climate. The discussion underscores the significance of continued support for Ukraine, the potential fallout from Trump's legal issues, and the need for reliable information sources in today's complex media landscape.

Takeaways

  • 🎙️ Tommy VOR, host of 'Pod Save America' and 'Pod Save the World', discusses the importance of supporting progressive media outlets.
  • 🏆 'Pod Save the World' won the Webby Award for Best News Podcast, highlighting the show's recognition in the industry.
  • 💰 The $95 billion foreign aid bill, signed by President Biden, will provide support to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan amidst opposition from certain political figures.
  • 🚫 Despite Marjorie Taylor Greene's opposition, the bill's passage indicates a potential weakening of her influence within her party.
  • 🤝 There's an unexpected alignment between Trump and Speaker Johnson on the foreign aid bill, suggesting internal party dynamics.
  • 🔫 The aid to Ukraine is crucial for their defense capabilities, with the ability to counteract Russian military advances and save civilian lives.
  • 💣 The bill's funding is a temporary measure, possibly lasting until the 2024 election, after which the nature of support could change depending on the administration.
  • 📉 Trump's loss of votes to Nikki Haley, who had already dropped out, signals potential weaknesses in his support base.
  • 🔍 The primary election results contrast sharply with national polls, indicating a possible shift in voter sentiment against Trump.
  • 🚨 A potential legal challenge could arise if the TikTok divestment bill becomes law, affecting the app's availability in the U.S.
  • 👎 The possibility of TikTok falling under the control of a potentially harmful entity raises concerns about the platform's future.

Q & A

  • What was the significance of the $95 billion foreign aid bill that was passed and signed into law by President Biden?

    -The $95 billion foreign aid bill is significant because it provides financial support to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. It is aimed at assisting Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression, bolstering military capabilities, and supporting civilian infrastructure.

  • How did the opposition from Marjorie Taylor Greene and far-right Republicans affect the passing of the foreign aid bill?

    -Despite significant opposition from Marjorie Taylor Greene and other far-right Republicans, the foreign aid bill passed both chambers of Congress. This suggests that the support for assisting Ukraine and other allies outweighed the influence of the opposition.

  • What was the impact of Speaker Nancy Pelosi's decision to support the aid to Ukraine?

    -Speaker Nancy Pelosi's decision to support the aid to Ukraine was pivotal. It demonstrated her commitment to the defense of Ukraine against Russian aggression, despite potential political risks. Her support likely influenced other members of Congress to vote in favor of the bill.

  • How did the passing of the foreign aid bill affect Marjorie Taylor Greene's political standing?

    -The passing of the foreign aid bill despite Marjorie Taylor Greene's opposition may have weakened her political standing. It could be perceived as a sign of her lacking influence within her own party on key issues.

  • What was the immediate announcement made by President Biden after signing the foreign aid bill?

    -Immediately after signing the foreign aid bill, President Biden announced that $1 billion would be allocated to Ukraine. This funding is intended to provide critical support for the country's defense.

  • What are the practical implications of the $1 billion aid to Ukraine for the ongoing war?

    -The $1 billion aid to Ukraine will enable the country to defend its cities and military positions more effectively. It will help replenish supplies, particularly in terms of ammunition, and potentially save lives by providing the means to counter heavy bombardment and protect civilian infrastructure.

  • Is the $95 billion aid package sufficient to ensure a resolution to the conflict in Ukraine?

    -The $95 billion aid package is not expected to be enough for Ukraine to win the war or bring it to an immediate end. However, it is sufficient to allow Ukraine to continue defending itself for the foreseeable future, at least until the next U.S. presidential election.

  • What was the outcome of the Pennsylvania primary for Donald Trump?

    -Donald Trump won the Pennsylvania primary, but he lost a significant number of votes to Nikki Haley, who had dropped out of the race weeks prior. This suggests potential weaknesses in Trump's support base.

  • How might the potential banning of TikTok in the U.S. impact young users and their perception of President Biden?

    -Young users who rely on TikTok for entertainment or business may blame President Biden for the app's potential ban, which could affect their perception of his administration. However, the situation is complex, and some parents might support the ban for various reasons.

  • What are the possible outcomes if the U.S. government decides to divest from TikTok?

    -If the U.S. government decides to divest from TikTok, the app could either be sold to a U.S.-based company, forming a domestic subsidiary, or ByteDance, the Chinese owner, could decide to pull out of the U.S. market entirely.

  • How might the situation with TikTok reflect on the broader issue of social media influence on democracy?

    -The potential divestment from TikTok raises concerns about who controls influential social media platforms and their algorithms. It highlights the balance between national security, freedom of expression, and the potential for manipulation of public opinion.

Outlines

00:00

🎙️ Podcast Collaboration and Foreign Aid Discussion

The host of the video is joined by Tommy VOR, the host of 'Pod Save America' and 'Pod Save the World,' to discuss various political topics. They touch on the recent Webby award won by 'Pod Save the World' and the importance of supporting progressive media. The conversation then shifts to the foreign aid bill that has passed, allocating $95 billion to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. Despite opposition from Marjorie Taylor Greene and other far-right Republicans, the bill was signed into law by President Biden. The discussion highlights the impact of the bill on the ongoing war in Ukraine, emphasizing the critical support it provides to the Ukrainian military and the potential political implications for figures like Marjorie Taylor Greene and former President Trump.

05:00

👍 Trump's Primary Vote Share and its Implications

The dialogue continues with an analysis of Donald Trump's recent victory in the Pennsylvania primary, where he notably lost a significant number of votes to Nikki Haley, who had already dropped out of the race. This unusual occurrence prompts a discussion on the potential weaknesses in Trump's support base and the broader political landscape. The speakers also delve into the tight polling numbers nationally and the disconnect with primary election results, suggesting that the general election in November is highly unpredictable. The potential impact of Trump being labeled a convicted felon before the election is also considered, with speculation on how this might sway undecided or soft Republican voters.

10:02

🚫 TikTok's Future in the US and its Political Ramifications

The conversation addresses the potential banning of TikTok in the US as part of a broader $95 billion aid package. The implications of such a ban are discussed, including the possibility of a legal challenge by TikTok and the two likely outcomes: a divestment resulting in a US-based subsidiary or the withdrawal of TikTok from the US market. Concerns are raised about who might control TikTok if it were to be divested, with mentions of potential buyers like Steve Mnuchin, former Treasury Secretary under Trump. The potential negative impact on young users and content creators who have built a following on the platform is acknowledged, as well as the political blame game that could ensue, with Trump attempting to assign responsibility for the ban to Biden.

15:03

📱 The Impact of Social Media Bans on Society and Politics

The final paragraph discusses the broader issue of social media bans, comparing the potential TikTok ban in the US to China's bans on American social media platforms like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. The speakers ponder the fairness of such reciprocal actions and the potential consequences for democracy. They also express empathy for TikTok users who may be negatively affected by a ban and hope for a positive resolution that doesn't involve the platform falling into the hands of unscrupulous individuals. The host invites viewers to subscribe to 'Pod Save America' for reliable information during the election cycle and provides a link for viewers' convenience.

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Keywords

💡Pod Save America

Pod Save America is a podcast hosted by Tommy Vietor, where progressive viewpoints and political discussions are shared. In the transcript, Tommy is mentioned as the host, indicating the podcast's relevance to the discussion on progressive media and its role in providing commentary on current events.

💡Webby Award

The Webby Award is an accolade that recognizes excellence on the internet. In the script, Pod Save the World, another podcast by Tommy Vietor, is mentioned as having won the 'best news podcast' Webby, highlighting the show's recognition and success within the podcasting industry.

💡Foreign Aid Bill

The foreign aid bill refers to a legislative act providing financial assistance to foreign countries. In the transcript, the bill is discussed as having passed with $95 billion allocated for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan, indicating its significance in international relations and conflict zones.

💡Marjorie Taylor Greene

Marjorie Taylor Greene is a U.S. Representative known for her far-right political positions. The transcript discusses her opposition to the foreign aid bill and her diminished influence within her party, showcasing the internal dynamics and power shifts within the Republican party.

💡Ukraine Conflict

The Ukraine conflict refers to the ongoing war between Ukraine and Russia. The transcript mentions the impact of the foreign aid bill on Ukraine's ability to defend itself against Russian aggression, emphasizing the geopolitical importance of the aid.

💡NATO

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is an intergovernmental military alliance. The script alludes to the potential risk to NATO countries if Russia's advances in Ukraine are not halted, underlining the broader security implications of the conflict.

💡Donald Trump

Donald Trump, the 45th President of the United States, is a central figure in the discussion. The transcript references his recent primary win in Pennsylvania and the implications of his continued influence and legal challenges on the Republican party and the upcoming election.

💡TikTok Ban

The proposed ban on TikTok, a popular social media platform, is a point of contention in the transcript. It highlights the ongoing debate over data privacy, national security, and the influence of foreign-owned technology companies in the U.S.

💡Election Denial

Election denial refers to the refusal to accept the results of an election, often due to unfounded claims of fraud. The transcript discusses how Trump's insistence on promoting the '2020 election was rigged' narrative has affected the Republican party and its candidates.

💡Primary Elections

Primary elections are the initial electoral contests in which candidates compete for their party's nomination. The transcript mentions the results of primary elections as indicators of voter sentiment and potential outcomes in the general election.

💡Trump Indictments

Trump indictments refer to the various legal charges against former President Donald Trump. The transcript explores the potential impact of these indictments on public opinion and the upcoming elections, emphasizing the legal and political challenges Trump faces.

Highlights

Tommy VOR, host of pod save America and pod save the world, discusses the recent Webby award for best news podcast.

The $95 billion foreign aid bill passed, despite opposition from Marjorie Taylor Greene and far-right Republicans.

The bill's passage is seen as a blow to Marjorie Taylor Greene's influence within the Republican party.

Speaker Johnson's decision to support the bill, despite political risks, is credited for the aid reaching Ukraine.

The immediate allocation of $1 billion to Ukraine upon the bill's signing is expected to provide critical defense support.

The aid package may not be sufficient for Ukraine to win the war but will allow them to continue defending themselves.

The potential impact of a Trump-led or Republican-led government on future aid to Ukraine post-2024 election.

Donald Trump's primary win in Pennsylvania with a significant number of votes going to Nikki Haley, who had dropped out.

Discussion on the tight polling numbers nationally and the discrepancy with primary election results for Trump.

The possibility of Trump being seen as a convicted felon influencing voters in the general election.

Trump's strategy to spin his legal situation and the potential impact on public opinion.

The impact of issue salience on the election outcome, with different topics favoring either Trump or Biden.

Concerns over the Republican party's alignment with Trump's election lie and its effect on the party's brand.

The implications of the $95 billion aid package on ByteDance, TikTok's parent company, and potential divestment.

Comparison between the banning of US social media apps in China and the potential TikTok ban in the US.

Concerns about who might control TikTok if ByteDance divests and the potential negative outcomes.

The potential public reaction, especially among young people, to the banning of TikTok and its impact on the upcoming election.

Tommy VOR's call to action for listeners to subscribe to pod Save America for accurate and quality information.

Transcripts

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I'm joined down by the host of pod save

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America and pod save the world Tommy VOR

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Tommy thanks for taking the time thanks

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for having me on man of course great to

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be here and hey congrats on the Webby

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best news podcast for pod save the world

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and listen thank you for having me on

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Progressive media Outlets doing what

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links on this screen right now uh okay

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so Tommy let's dive in here do it the

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foreign aid bill has finally passed both

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Chambers it was signed into law by Biden

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that's the $95 billion that's going to

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uh Ukraine Israel and Taiwan on the

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house side this had passed despite major

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opposition from Maru till green and

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these other far-right magga Republicans

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what does this do in Mar T green

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standing like does this pierce the

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bubble that she had outsized strength in

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that conference I think so I mean I

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think she looks completely feckless you

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know I I have to like I have to say

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credit to speaker Johnson he did

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something that he thought was right

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knowing that there could be real

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political risk for him and he thought no

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he looked at the intelligence and he

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decided that uh if Putin was able to win

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the war in Ukraine that he might keep

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going into Western Europe uh and then

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that might mean that a NATO country was

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at risk which would draw directly into

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the war he said no let's give them

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assistance now uh it's it's been too

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long and so I think marjerie Taylor

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green looks like an idiot and it seems

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like Trump sided with speaker Johnson

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over her yeah which is not what anyone

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expected yeah completely like tanks her

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uh tanks her I guess artificial standing

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that she had just just one quick thing

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on the Mike Johns thing I know look I

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know that we should take the win where

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we can and it's not worth and I know you

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know what I'm going to say already which

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is like you know it it's hard to applaud

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him for doing the bare minimum like this

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guy knew based on these intelligence

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briefings what would happen if PU had

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had cart blanch to like continue beating

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up on Ukraine and the fact that it took

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him this long reflects really poorly

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onto him so yes it is good look I I I

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should just I should just take the win

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but um it's worth it's worth like noting

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that he could have done this sooner that

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the writing was on the wall in terms of

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the danger of allowing Putin to continue

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uh this barrage against Ukraine and yet

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it took him this long to get here yeah

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listen continuing to support Ukraine was

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unequivocally the right thing to do on

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the merits uh he was worried about the

02:30

politics for 6 months which you know was

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very costly for the Ukrainian military

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they took a lot of casualties in that

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time he got to the right place I

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appreciate that he put politics aside

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and also you know you get the New York

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Post uh mocking marjerie Taylor green on

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their front page so it's a win-win here

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for for Humanity all right so let's talk

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about the impacts that this bill will

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actually have because on Wednesday Biden

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signed the bill he immediately announced

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that 1 billion dollars would be going

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right to Ukraine I believe he said the

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same day within hours of him signing it

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in Practical terms what what does this

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mean for the war in Ukraine I mean what

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it means is the United States will be

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able to rush them things that are

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absolutely critical to defending cities

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in defending positions currently being

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held by the Ukrainian military so uh

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early in the war the ukrainians were

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able to shoot down something like 80% of

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missiles bombs Rockets fired at them

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from the Russian side that percentage

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has dropped to like under 50% which

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means people are getting killed it means

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that the Russians are taking out

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civilian energy infrastructure it's just

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been really deadly time for Ukrainian

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civilians who are seeing more heavy

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bombardment now than they have seen

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since the very beginning of the war so

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this is literally going to save lives

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and also what it means is you have

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Ukrainian troops desperately trying to

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hold positions in eastern Ukraine

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despite getting out fired at 10 to1

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which means the Russians were shooting

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10 shells for every shell the ukra

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ukrainians could return fire with so now

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they'll finally be able to address that

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shell hunger uh and actually start

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fighting back basically and is this

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going to be enough like are we going to

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need to be back here in x amount of

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months I mean this was you know the

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whole bill was for $95 billion a good

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portion of that is actually going to to

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the US military to to you know

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bolstering what what we needed um so is

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this going to be enough like is this our

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was this our last shot basically to fund

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the war effort in Ukraine it's the last

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shot until the 2024 election and then

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after that we'll know is this a trump Le

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government is a republican Le government

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that's going to cut off Ukraine uh or is

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Joe Biden going to be in charge and

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we're going to keep supporting them

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you're absolutely right that this

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package of arms is probably not enough

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for them to win the war or end the war

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it's enough for them to continue to

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defend themselves uh and I can

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understand why you know that's worrisome

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for people because it's a lot of money

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uh there's a lot of people dying um

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hopefully associated with this arms

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package comes some sort of peace talks

04:53

that might get us to a settlement uh in

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a ceasefire it was widely accepted

04:58

before that Putin would like win this

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war without any aid from the US what

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does this mean for Putin now I mean it

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it means that he went from being uh in

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the best possible position it means he

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went from you know having a strategy

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where he was just playing for time he

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was waiting for the West to get tired uh

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to get sick of sending money and and

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assistance over to Ukraine uh and

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basically just trying to wait us all out

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um now it means he's going to face stiff

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resistance for at least the next year so

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you know look Putin Putin a dictator uh

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every indication is that Russian public

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opinion is fully behind this war but he

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is still losing tens and tens of

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thousands of troops uh hundreds of

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thousands if you count people that are

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being wounded so at some point public

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opinion or the politics of this could

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catch up to him and start causing

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problems so he wants to win this thing

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fast uh and this trunch of Aid is going

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to make that a lot harder okay so let's

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let's pivot over to What's Happening

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Here in the US Donald Trump had just won

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the Pennsylvania primary this past week

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but not before losing almost 160,000

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votes to Nikki Haley Who Tommy I should

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remind you dropped out like 6 weeks ago

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she did uh what is this signal for Trump

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moving forward like the fact that he in

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in a primary that he's already won in a

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primary where he's effectively running

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unopposed that he's still losing I think

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it was almost as high as 177% of his

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votes to somebody who is literally not

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running in this election yeah I mean I

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look it's not a great sign for Donald

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Trump I mean he would like to be winning

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100% of those votes there is if you look

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at the 2020 results there were

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significant numbers of crossover

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Republicans who voted for Joe Biden in

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2020 so what we might be seeing is some

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of those same people once again voting

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against Donald Trump in a primary we

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also might just be seeing kind of

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protest votes like you know in the

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Democratic side in Michigan you had a

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bunch of people voting uncommitted to

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protest the war in Gaza when a lot of

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them might ultimately vote for Biden a

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general election so we don't know

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exactly what it means but you know he

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would much rather have not lost those

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votes like it could be a sign of

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weakness well I know Dan does polar

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coaster on positive America's YouTube

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channel um but there is a Chasm right

07:05

now where it looks like there's a Chasm

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between the tight polling that we're

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seeing on a national level like all

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these polls are like 44 to 45 Trump's

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leading by a point Biden's leading by a

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point Trump's leading by two points um

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so there's a Chasm between these polls

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and also the reality of what these

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primary elections show which is you know

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that that Trump is losing like huge

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swaths of his own base so what's your

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take on the polling heading toward

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November on on the Republican side I

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mean I think look this is hard for for

07:33

people like us for your viewers to kind

07:35

of fathom but like compared to most

07:37

people in this country we are space

07:39

aliens because total we think about we

07:42

obsess about politics all day every day

07:44

most people think about it for like a

07:46

couple minutes a month right so most

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people aren't paying attention they

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maybe are just figuring out sounds so

07:51

healthy it sounds so nice they're just

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figuring out that there's going to be a

07:55

rematch between Joe Biden and Donald

07:57

Trump so I think the the the key point

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is that the electorate in a primary is

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just radically different than a general

08:04

election you have much more casual

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voters uh turning out in a general

08:08

election I think the electorate's like

08:10

50% bigger basically so um my take is

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that I think the election is a tossup

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it's basically 50-50 uh this week there

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was a set of swing state polls out from

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Bloomberg they did not look great for

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Joe Biden I think he was down in six of

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seven states um but we got a lot of time

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Joe Biden's got a lot ofy money Donald

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Trump's stuck in a courtroom so you know

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this is why you run a campaign and win

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them back to that point then there's

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going to be a lot of low low information

08:37

voters and and I mean that in the sense

08:39

that like those people who aren't paying

08:40

attention right now who will find out in

08:43

October that uh you know when they tune

08:45

in that Donald Trump may very well be a

08:46

convicted felon how much of an impact do

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you think that that's going to have on

08:50

these regular people I mean these you

08:52

know soft Republican voters these

08:54

Suburban moms The Independents out there

08:56

yeah I mean we know from polling that

08:58

opinions vary on the multiple Court the

09:01

multiple indictments that Trump is

09:03

facing right some people think that

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certain cases are more serious than

09:06

others but we also know that a

09:09

conviction for a felony is a big deal

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for a majority of Voters in this country

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and so if Trump is a convicted felon

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when people go into the voting booths in

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November that will undoubtedly be a

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factor in influencing the the outcome

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yeah I mean he's going to he's going to

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stand there and try to like qualify it

09:25

by saying well no this is only a felony

09:26

for for you know defrauding like this

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and that and and that's going to if he's

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sitting there trying to explain to

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people why actually this isn't so bad

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because this is just a felony for for

09:37

this as opposed to a felony for this I

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feel like that's like him on his back

09:41

back feet like that is not going to be

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the position that he wants to be in yeah

09:44

he's got basically two plays right now

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the first is just pray to God that he

09:48

can find one juror who is a trump super

09:51

fan who will not vote to convict under

09:53

any circumstances and just have a hung

09:55

jury right and play for time that way

09:57

the other plan is just to

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do what we see him do every day which is

10:02

Spin and spin and spin call this a Biden

10:04

prosecution say the system is rigged the

10:06

system is unfair you know this is all

10:08

about uh punishing Biden's political

10:10

enemies and try to frame the debate to

10:13

make it so that any outcome is seen as

10:15

illegitimate now Donald Trump is look I

10:20

don't like the guy but he's an

10:21

incredibly powerful Messenger right he's

10:23

a propagandist he picks a message and he

10:25

repeats it over and over and over again

10:28

and that's all it takes to be effective

10:30

right it doesn't have to be smart or

10:31

Savvy or accurate it just needs

10:33

repetition so we'll see if he is able to

10:36

uh precook the outcome of this trial in

10:40

in public opinion but I don't know I

10:42

mean the facts are um going to be pretty

10:44

damning yeah I mean either way even if

10:46

he can draw most of those people back in

10:48

there's still going to be a certain

10:50

subset of people who are going to defect

10:51

away from him just by virtue of the fact

10:53

that now you have to pull the lever for

10:55

a convicted felon or for Joe Biden and

10:57

that's you know not like even if he even

10:59

he loses some percent I mean you know

11:02

Biden won uh Georgia by 12,000 votes he

11:04

won Wisconsin by 20,000 votes these are

11:06

small margins so so small like the

11:08

margins are so tight and also it's just

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going to be a question of issue saliens

11:12

at the end right if by if on Election

11:15

Day everyone is talking about

11:16

immigration and crime and areas where

11:19

Donald Trump is strong he's probably

11:21

going to win if on Election Day everyone

11:23

is talking about abortion access if

11:25

we're talking about this Draconian law

11:28

in Arizona that was passed in the 1860s

11:30

that criminalizes like all abortions

11:32

right like that is the ground that Joe

11:34

Biden wants to be on and that's where I

11:36

think we can turn out the voters we need

11:38

to win and to that point he's actually

11:39

undermining his own party because all

11:41

he's talking about all he's capable of

11:42

talking about is his own prosecution and

11:44

so you know it would actually be better

11:47

for him to take this time even when he's

11:48

doing his little like mid-trial press

11:50

conferences or post-trial press

11:52

conferences to try to Pivot to those

11:53

issues but he can he's physically

11:55

incapable of not talking about himself

11:57

and his own victimhood and and so

11:59

because he's such an egomaniacal

12:01

narcissist this is what it's going to

12:03

look like at the end of the day yeah if

12:04

Donald Trump could just stop ranting and

12:07

raving about himself stop complaining

12:09

about the 2020 election and saying it

12:10

was rigged he would be in such a better

12:13

place politically but he cannot help

12:15

himself he has made the entire party uh

12:18

you know contort itself around this

12:19

election lie and you know to to get a

12:22

trump endorsement you have to support it

12:24

to to you know be the head of the RNC

12:26

you have to come out full-throated in

12:28

support of the election Li so like he is

12:30

shaping the party he's bending the party

12:32

to his will uh and I think it could

12:34

damage the entire Republican brand and

12:37

actually we have information that would

12:39

kind of bear that out if you look at the

12:40

2022 midterms Republicans actually

12:43

overperformed you looked at you look at

12:45

regular Republicans who ran in New York

12:47

for example they were able to flip a

12:48

handful of seats uh it was the

12:50

Republicans who ran in the mold of

12:52

Donald Trump who got creamed at The

12:54

Ballot Box like Doug mastriano Carrie

12:56

Lake Hershel Walker Dr Oz Don balic all

12:59

these people who ran like as these as

13:01

these America First Trump acolytes they

13:03

were the ones who lost I mean they lost

13:05

even in races where they should have won

13:06

they lost in in Statewide races where

13:09

their normal quote unquote normal

13:10

Republican counterparts did succeed and

13:13

so it was just it was basically like a

13:14

perfect test case where it showed how

13:17

little salience these these uh specific

13:20

Trump you know America First candidates

13:22

had yeah man I mean look Trump is a

13:25

unique political figure in our history

13:27

he is one of one he was on The

13:29

Apprentice for years and years he is

13:31

famous he has a brand that's

13:32

internationally known he's one of the

13:33

most famous people in the world he has

13:35

been able to defy political gravity in

13:37

ways that no other candidate has before

13:39

him that is just not going to happen for

13:42

like the random guy running for the

13:43

Pennsylvania house district right like

13:45

if you are just a kooky election denier

13:48

if you have a if you believe that all

13:51

abortions should be outlawed regardless

13:53

of rape or incest like voters do not

13:55

support those kinds of candidates they

13:57

actually end up usually going for the

13:58

more candidates but Trump is not letting

14:01

those candidates get out of the

14:02

primaries right right and now and what

14:04

we're left with now is like Carrie Lake

14:05

running for US Senate in Arizona and and

14:09

people in you know kind of in that exact

14:10

same mold strapp it on her Glock that's

14:12

right uh okay Tommy Tik Tock being

14:16

banned uh if bite dance doesn't divest

14:19

was part of that $95 billion Aid package

14:21

that went to Ukraine Taiwan and and uh

14:23

and Israel did like can you can you talk

14:26

about what the implications of that are

14:27

going to be and and also you know I know

14:28

there's a lot of um there's a lot of

14:30

heat right now on the government for

14:32

moving forward to do that but didn't

14:33

China ban Facebook and Instagram and

14:36

also Twitter yeah I mean you can't use

14:38

basically any um us social media apps in

14:41

China they're all banned uh I think

14:43

Facebook has been blocked since 2009

14:45

Twitter around the same time Instagram

14:47

was blocked in 2014 right so you know if

14:51

we're looking if you're judging this on

14:53

sort of equity and fairness and and how

14:55

these two countries treat each other

14:57

like we're kind of getting to even here

14:58

yeah um I think what's going to happen

15:00

next is there will be a legal challenge

15:03

by Tik Tok uh yeah so we'll see how that

15:06

plays out um but the two options

15:09

ultimately will be if this if this bill

15:11

comes to fruition is some sort of

15:13

divestment so you'll have like kind of a

15:15

uson subsidiary of Tik Tok or bike dance

15:19

just says to hell with America like

15:21

we're we're pulling out and it's just no

15:22

longer available in the App Store man

15:24

the thing that scares me is one of the

15:26

groups that had come forward was this

15:27

group put together by Steve n who is

15:29

Trump's former treasury secretary who is

15:31

interested in in buying this thing so we

15:33

have Elon who's bought Twitter and

15:35

basically just kind of Tanked it and

15:37

elevated all of these literal neo-nazis

15:40

uh on that site uh obviously Facebook

15:42

has a long history of being terrible for

15:44

democracy and now we have Tik Tock who

15:47

like I don't know under the guise of

15:48

trying to trying to protect America from

15:50

some subversive entity we may we may see

15:53

it fall into the hands of an even worse

15:56

even more subversive entity in a group

15:58

by Steve minucha

15:59

yeah it's not great when uh your choic

16:01

is for who controls the Tik Tok

16:03

algorithm or Chinese Communist party

16:06

stukin with like what probably some

16:08

Saudi money listen I also just want to

16:10

say I mean I feel really bad for people

16:14

who spend a lot of time on Tik Tok who

16:15

love it who built a business on Tik Tok

16:18

who built a big following and now I feel

16:19

like the rugs getting pulled out from

16:21

under them that absolutely sucks as

16:22

someone who spent years and years and

16:24

years on Twitter and then watched Elon

16:26

Musk take it over and completely ruin

16:28

the place like I feel your pain it

16:30

absolutely sucks so I really really hope

16:32

that uh Tik Tok gets offloaded to some

16:34

sort of us subsidiary that isn't Steve

16:37

manukan or insert your other uh Trump

16:39

dude here uh what about the impact you

16:42

think that this is going to have on on

16:44

young people like do you worry that

16:45

because the buck stops with Biden

16:47

Biden's the president right now that

16:48

young people are going to view him as

16:50

the guy who banned their favorite app

16:52

yeah I think they will I mean listen

16:53

Trump tried to ban Tik Tok yeah on the

16:56

way out the door he put out this

16:57

executive order that essentially was an

16:58

attempt to force a sale um he is now

17:01

trying to say you know I think he

17:03

tweeted something like young people

17:05

please note that Joe Biden is the one

17:06

who ban Tik Tok right so he's doing his

17:08

usually uh per usual very subtle

17:10

politics from Donald Trump I do look I

17:13

do think people will blame Joe Biden for

17:16

uh Banning Tik Tok because he's the guy

17:18

who banned Tik Tok but it won't go into

17:20

effect until after the election uh there

17:23

is this off-ramp with the the sale to a

17:25

domestic subsidiary and look look we

17:28

just don't know I mean for every young

17:29

person that's really mad about a Tik Tok

17:31

ban there might be some parents out

17:33

there who are pretty psyched about it so

17:35

we'll find out uh Tommy where can we see

17:37

and hear more from you well look we're a

17:39

tiny little Progressive Media company

17:41

like you uh we are trying to get people

17:43

good information through this selection

17:45

cycle at a time when it's harder than

17:47

ever to find credible quality accurate

17:49

information so if people will just

17:51

subscribe to the Pod Safe America

17:52

podcast wherever you get your podcast

17:54

that would be uh amazing so thank you

17:56

well and we'll put the link uh right

17:58

here on the screen if you're watching on

17:59

YouTube and in the post description of

18:00

this video if you are listening on the

18:02

podcast Tommy thanks so much man it was

18:04

fun thanks for having me

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