Meet the Press full broadcast — March 24

>>> THIS SUNDAY, PARTY TAKEOVER.

>>> THIS SUNDAY, PARTY TAKEOVER.

DONALD TRUMP MAY BE LEADING IN

THE POLLS, BUT IT'S PRESIDENT

BIDEN WHO HAS THE CASH ADVANTAGE

IN THE 2024 CAMPAIGN.

>> WE HAVE TO RAISE A LOT OF

MONEY.

>> AS HIS LEGAL BILLS MOUNT,

TRUMP WANTS CAMPAIGN DONORS TO

HELP PAY THEM.

>> WE HAVE A LOT OF CASH AND WE

HAVE A GREAT COMPANY, BUT THEY

WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY.

THEY'D LIKE TO TAKE THE CASH

AWAY SO I CAN'T USE IT ON THE

CAMPAIGN.

>> IS THAT A WINNING STRATEGY?

I'LL SPEAK WITH RONNA McDANIEL.

THE FORMER CHAIRWOMAN OF THE

REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE.

PLUS, SUPREME DECISIONS.

FORMER SUPREME COURT JUSTICE

STEPHEN BREYER SPEAKS OUT ABOUT

THE DECISION TO OVERTURN ROE V.

WADE.

>> DID YOU THINK THAT A

COMPROMISE WAS POSSIBLE BEFORE

THE WEEK AROUND 15 WEEKS?

>> I USUALLY HOPE FOR

COMPROMISE.

>> AND HIS DECISION TO STEP DOWN

FROM THE COURT.

>> IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU TO

DECIDE TO RETIRE.

>> JOINING ME FOR INSIGHT AND

ANALYSIS ARE, NBC NEWS CHIEF

POLITICAL ANALYST CHUCK TODD.

KIMBERLY ATKINS STOHR, SENIOR

OPINION WRITER FOR THE BOSTON

GLOBE AND STEPHEN HAYES, EDITOR

OF THE DISPATCH.

WELL

WELCOME TO SUNDAY.

IT'S MEET THE PRESS".

>> FROM NBC NEWS IN WASHINGTON,

THE LONGEST RUNNING SHOW IN

TELEVISION HISTORY, THIS IS

"MEET THE PRESS" WITH KRISTEN

WELKER.

>>> GOOD SUNDAY MORNING.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S

EFFORT TO OVERTURN THE 2020

ELECTION IS PUTTING AN

UNPRECEDENTED STRESS TEST ON

AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS AHEAD OF

THE 2024 ELECTION.

WITH A SUPREME COURT ALREADY

DECIDING TRUMP CAN REMAIN ON THE

BALLOT IN COLORADO, NOW WEIGHING

WHETHER HE HAS TOTAL IMMUNITY

AND PROSECUTION FOR HIS ELECTION

SUBVERSION EFFORTS, THIS WEEK I

SPOKE EXCLUSIVELY WITH FORMER

SUPREME COURT JUSTICE STEPHEN

BREYER WHERE I ASKED HIM ABOUT

THE WEIGHT A JUSTICE FIELDS WHEN

CONSIDERING THESE CASES THAT

HAVE BECOME CENTRAL TO THE

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE WEIGHT

THAT YOU FELT, THAT ONE FEELS AS

A JUSTICE WHEN YOU ARE PRESENTED

WITH A CASE OF A PRESIDENTIAL

ELECTION.

>> THIS IS NOT JUST AN ELECTION.

IMAGINE YOU WERE ON THE COURT

THAT DECIDED BROWN VERSUS BOARD

OF EDUCATION.

IMAGINE THAT YOU WERE ON THE

COURT THAT HAD TO DECIDE, WELL,

FOR EXAMPLE, WHETHER PRESIDENT

NIXON WAS IMMUNE FROM GIVING --

DIDN'T HAVE TO TURN THE TAPES

OVER TO R.G. COX.

IMAGINE THAT.

>> MORE OF MY INTERVIEW WITH

JUSTICE BREYER IS COMING UP, BUT

FIRST, I'LL BE JOINED BY FORMER

RNC CHAIR RONNA McDANIEL IN HER

FIRST INTERVIEW SINCE STEPPING

DOWN AS PARTY CHAIR.

IN FULL DISCLOSURE TO OUR

VIEWERS, THIS INTERVIEW WAS

SCHEDULED WEEKS BEFORE IT WAS

ANNOUNCED THAT McDANIEL HAD

BECOME A PAID NBC NEWS

CONTRIBUTOR.

THIS WILL BE A NEWS INTERVIEW,

AND I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN HER

HIRING.

THIS WEEK WE EARN WELLEDLEARNED

TRUMP'S GRIP ON THE REPUBLICAN

PARTY IS IMPACTING THE GOP'S

BOTTOM LINE.

IT HAS MORE THAN DOUBLE THE CASH

OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, WHILE THE

PRESIDENT HAS SHARPENED HIS

ATTACKS WITH HIS PREDECESSOR

OVER HIS MOUNTING LEGAL DEBTS.

TRUMP HAS A NEW FUNDRAISER WITH

THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL

COMMITTEE THAT WILL FILTER

DONATIONS TO BOTH HIS CAMPAIGN

AND THE SUPER PAC PAYING HIS

CAMPAIGN BEFORE THE RNC GETTING

A CUT.

WITH MICHAEL WATLEY AND HIS

DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, LAURA TRUMP,

THE PARTY IS NOW FULLY FORMED IN

TRUMP'S IMAGE.

>> WE ARE GOING TO DETERMINE THE

FATE OF NOT ONLY THE UNITED

STATES, BUT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD

AND THIS BODY, THE RNC, IS GOING

TO BE THE VANGUARD OF A MOVEMENT

THAT WILL WORK TIRELESSLY EVERY

SINGLE DAY TO ELECT OUR NOMINEE

DONALD J. TRUMP.

>> WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE

THAT EVERY SINGLE PENNY OF EVERY

DOLLAR RAISED GOES TOWARDS ONE

GOAL WHICH IS WINNING.

>> JOINING ME NOW IS FORMER RNC

CHAIR RONNA McDANIEL.

WELCOME BACK TO "MEET THE PRESS"

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> LET'S START WITH YOUR

DECISION TO STEP DOWN AS RNC

CHAIR.

IF YOU CAN TAKE ME BEHIND THE

SCENES A LITTLE BIT.

WERE YOU PUSHED OUT OF YOUR

ROLE?

>> THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT AS

RNC CHAIR WE HAVE TO REMAIN

NEUTRAL ANDEE WE HAD DEBATES AND

THERE WAS TENSION AND FRICTION

THAT STARTED DURING THAT

PROCESS.

IT WAS WELL PLAYED OUT IN THE

MEDIA, AND I KNEW AT THAT POINT

WHEN I WAS DOING THAT ROLE AND

WE WERE GOING TO HAVE DEBATES

THAT WHEN THE NOMINEE CAME

FORWARD AND IT WAS LIKELY TO BE

PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT THEY WOULD

WANT TO SWITCH, AND THAT'S HIS

RIGHT AS A NOMINEE.

>> SO WERE YOU PUSHED OUT BY

HIM?

>> HE ABSOLUTELY WANTED ME TO

MOVE ASIDE AND WANTED MICHAEL

WHATLEY AND LARA TRUMP TO COME

IN.

>> YOU PUT OUT THAT STATEMENT

EFFECTIVELY CALLING ON NIKKI

HALEY TO STEP OUT OF THE RACE?

CAN YOU SAY YOU WERE NEUTRAL?

>> I CAN'T.

WE HAD A NEUTRAL PRIMARY AND WE

HAD DEBATES AND THE DEMOCRATS

DIDN'T HAVE DEBATES AND NOW THEY

HAVE RFK JR. AS A THIRD PARTY, I

THINK THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TO OUR

PUBLIC DISCOURSE SO YES, I WAS

NEUTRAL, BUT AS I SAID AT THAT

TIME THERE WAS NO MATH AND NO

PATH AND THAT WAS TRUE, AND SO

WE DID NEED TO CONSOLIDATE

BEHIND THE NOMINEE AND THAT'S

WHAT I DID.

>> YOU TALK ABOUT THE TEPGDZS

AROUND THE DEBATES.

WAS THERE A BREAKING POINT WITH

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP

AND YOU?

>> IT WAS A LOT OF TENSION WITH

THE CAMPAIGN.

HE REALLY DID NOT FEEL LIKE WE

SHOULD HAVE DEBATES.

HE SAID THIS PUBLICLY.

I GOT A LOT OF PHONE CALLS.

>> FROM HIM?

PHONE CALLS FROM TRUMP DIRECTLY.

>> FROM HIS CAMPAIGN AND I

TALKED TO HIM DIRECTLY.

>> YOU SAW SUPPORTERS.

DON'T GIVE TO THE RNC.

DON'T HAVE DEBATES.

LISTEN, THERE ARE A LOT OF

PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT PRESIDENT

TRUMP IN OUR PARTY, BUT THERE

ARE OTHERS WHO DIDN'T AND THEY

NEEDED TO SEE THAT PROCESS TO

PLAY OUT TO SAY THIS WAS FAIR,

MY CANDIDATE WAS GIVEN AN

OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE.

THE VOTERS DECIDED, AND THIS IS

THE NOMINEE, AND BECAUSE WE LET

THAT PROCESS PLAY OUT HE HAS --

HE'S THE NOMINEE WITHOUT A THIRD

PARTY RUNNING AGAINST HIM WHICH

IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE

DEMOCRATS DID.

>> YOU WERE REPLACED BY DONALD

TRUMP'S HAND PICKED ALLIES

INCLUDING HIS DAUGHTER-IN-LAW

LARA TRUMP AND NOW THERE IS A

FUND-RAISING AGREEMENT WHICH

BASICALLY MEANS THE DONATIONS GO

TO THE SUPER PAC TO PAY FOR HIS

LEGAL BILLS BEFORE THEY GO TO

THE RNC.

IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR DONALD

TRUMP TO ASK DONORS TO PAY FOR

HIS LEGAL BILLS.

>> AS LONG AS THE DONORS KNOW

THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

IT IS IN THE WATERFALL OF IT.

IT IS SAVE AMERICA BEFORE THE

RNC.

WHAT I ALSO THINK THAT MEANS IS

THAT THE CAMPAIGNS OR THE RNC IS

BEING TRUTHFUL WHEN THEY SAY

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY THE

LEGAL BILLS AND IT IS GOING TO

RUN THROUGH THE SAVE AMERICA

PACT.

>> ULTIMATELY, THESE DONATIONS

ARE GOING FIRST TO PAY HIS LEGAL

BILLS.

PEOPLE WHO MAY BE STRUGGLING IN

SOME CASES TO MAKE ENDS MEET, IS

THERE NOT AN ETHICAL CHALLENGE

WITH THAT?

>> IF THEY FEEL TRONGLY TO

SUPPORT HIS LEGAL BILLS THEN

THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO SO,

AND I THINK HE'S BEING VERY OPEN

THAT THEY'RE HELPING WITH HIS

LEGAL BILLS.

>> YOU PAID $2 MILLION FOR HIS

LEGAL BILLS WHILE HE WAS STILL

IN OFFICE.

DO YOU HAVE REGRETS OF THAT?

DO YOU THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE?

>> AS A FORMER PRESIDENT AND

SOMEONE WHO RAISED A LOT OF

MONEY INTO THE RNC, WE PAID LESS THAN $2 MILLION IN LEGAL BILLS

THAN $2 MILLION IN LEGAL BILLS

AND WE DIDN'T ONCE HE BECAME A

NOMINEE OR CANDIDATE WE CUT THAT

OFF.

IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE A

FORMER PRESIDENT THAN WHEN

YOU'RE A CANDIDATE.

>> ONE TOLD POLITICO YOU WERE A,

QUOTE, FAILED CHAIR.

ANOTHER SAID WE LOST THE SENATE

AND THE WHITE HOUSE WHIL SHE WAS

CHAIR.

DID YOU DESERVE TO STAY ON WITH

THAT TRACK RECORD, RONNA?

>> YOU KNOW, I PUSH BACK ON THAT

VERY HARD.

THE FACT THAT UNDER MY TIME AS

CHAIR WE'VE HAD MORE WOMEN IN

CONGRESS EVER THAN IN THE

HISTORY OF OUR PARTY, THAT WE'VE

HAD MORE MINORITY GROWTH IN OUR

PARTY AND THAT DIDN'T JUST

HAPPEN.

I HAD OFFICES OPEN IN BLACK,

ASIAN, HISPANIC COMMUNITIES THAT

WE HAD IGNORED AS A PARTY AND WE

HAVE SEEN GROWTH AS A RESULT,

WHICH BY THE WAY, WE'RE SEEING

IN THIS ELECTION, AS WELL AND

THEN I'M GOING TO POINT OUT TO

THIS.

THE RNC, WE DON'T DO THE

MESSAGING AND WE DON'T PICK THE

CANDIDATES.

WE'RE A TURNOUT.

IF YOU LOOK AT 2022, JUST 2022,

WE TURNED OUT 4 MILLION MORE

REPUBLICANS AND WE WOULD HAVE

WON THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE BASED

ON THE TURNOUT.

WHAT I SAY TO PEOPLE IF WE'RE

BUILDING THE ROAD THAT ALL OF

THE CANDIDATES DRIVE ON, AND ONE

CANDIDATE GOT TO THE FINISH LINE

THE ROAD ISN'T THE PROBLEM.

IT'S CANDIDATE TO CANDIDATE.

I VIEW MY RNC TENURE AS A

SUCCESS.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ELECTION

NOW.

DONALD TRUMP SAYS ONE OF HIS

FIRST ACTS IF HE IS RE-ELECTED

TO A SECOND TERM WOULD BE,

QUOTE, TO FREE THOSE CHARGED AND

CONVICTED OF CRIMES RELATED TO

JANUARY 6th.

DO YOU SUPPORT THAT?

>> I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.

THE VIOLENCE THAT HAPPENED ON

JANUARY 6th IS UNACCEPTABLE.

IT DOESN'T REPRESENT OUR

COUNTRY.

IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT REPRESENT

MY PARTY.

WE SHOULD NOT BE ATTACKING THE

CAPITOL.

WE SHOULD NOT BE HAVING

VIOLENCE.

I SAID IT THAT DAY.

I PUT A STATEMENT OUT THAT DAY

THAT THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

IF YOU ATTACKED OUR CAPITOL AND

YOU HAVE BEEN CONVICTED THEN

THAT SHOULD STAY.

>> SO THEN TO THE QUESTION,

THOUGH, DO YOU DISAGREE WITH

TRUMP SAYING THAT HE'LL FREE

THOSE --

>> I DO NOT THINK THAT PEOPLE

WHO COMMITTED VIOLENT ACTS ON

JANUARY 6th SHOULD BE FREE.

>> SO YOU DISAGREE.

HE'S BEEN SAYING THAT FOR

MONTHS?

WHY NOT SPEAK OUT EARLIER?

WHY NOT SPEAK OUT ABOUT THAT

NOW?

>> WHEN YOU'RE THE RNC CHAIR YOU

TAKE ONE FOR THE WHOLE TEAM,

RIGHT?

NOW I CAN GET TO BE MORE MYSELF,

RIGHT?

THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE.

I DON'T THINK VIOLENCE SHOULD BE

IN OUR POLITICAL DISCOURSE,

REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, AND I

DISAGREE WITH THAT.

I AGREE WITH HIM ON A WHOLE HOST

OF OTHER THINGS.

LET'S CLOSE THE BORDER.

LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD

INCOMES FOR PEOPLE.

LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO A LOT OF

GREAT THING, BUT ON THAT POINT I

DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE FREEING

PEOPLE WHO VIOLENTLY ATTACKED

CAPITOL HILL POLICE OFFICERS AND

ATTACKED THE CAPITOL.

>> RONNA, THAT IS SUCH A

FUNDAMENTAL POINT.

SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL POINT TO OUR

DEMOCRACY.

YOU SAY YOU STILL SUPPORT HIM

AND YOU WILL VOTE FOR HIM BASED

ON THAT.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE WHO

HEAR THAT ANSWER AND FEEL IT'S

HYPOCRITICAL TO VOTE ON HIM.

>> I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A

CHOICE, RIGHT?

EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT THEIR

CANDIDATES AND THEY MAY SAY I

DON'T LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT

THIS, I DISAGREE WITH THIS AND I

DON'T LIKE WHEN WHEN THEY SAY

THIS.

FOR ME WHEN I LOOK AT MY STATE

OF MICHIGAN AND THE COST OF

FOOD, THE COST OF RENT, THE COST

OF INSURANCE THAT I FEEL LESS

SAFE.

CRIME IS ON THE RISE, THAT WE'RE

SEEING FENTANYL COME ACROSS OUR

BORDER AND OPEN BORDER, I DON'T

THINK THERE'S ANY CHOICE, BUT TO

VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICAN EVEN

THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE

DISAGREEMENTS, IT'S HIM ORRED

BIEN AND THAT'S THE CHOICE.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, CRIME SHOWS

IT'S GOING DOWN IN MAJOR CITIES

AND THE FENTANYL IS COMING OVER

LEGAL PORTS OF ENTRY.

LET ME GET TO THIS NEXT

QUESTION.

MITCH McCONNELL SAID DONALD

TRUMP WAS PRACTICALLY AND

MORALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE

ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH HIM?

>> I DON'T THINK HE WANTED THAT

ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL, BUT I

WILL SAY THAT ATTACK IS A DARK

DAY IN OUR HISTORY.

THERE IS NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF

ABOUT THAT DAY AND NOTHING TO

LOOK BACK ON THAT'S GOOD.

IT'S CHANGED OUR WHOLE COUNTRY.

SO I CONDEMN WHAT HAPPENED ON

JANUARY 6th TO I THINK HE WANTED

THAT TO HAPPEN OR PUSHED THAT TO

HAPPEN?

I DON'T.

>> NOW HE SEEMS TO BE VERY PROUD

ABOUT IT.

HE CALLS IT A BEAUTIFUL DAY.

A AGAIN, HE TALKS ABOUT FREEING

THOSE WHO WERE CONVICTED.

IF YOU ASKED THOSE CONVICTED

THEY SAY THEY WERE THERE BECAUSE

HE ASKED THEM TO BE THERE.

>> THE RNC WAS NOT THERE ON

JANUARY 6th.

>> WHAT ABOUT TRUMP?

MITCH McCONNELL SAID DONALD

TRUMP WAS PRACTICALLY AND

MORALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE

ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL.

WAS HE?

>> I DON'T THINK HE WANTED THE

ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL.

>> WAS HE RESPONSIBLE?

>> WHEN I SAY THAT, I DON'T SAY

HE WANTED THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT I

DO THINK IT WAS A TERRIBLE DAY

AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO BE

CELEBRATED AND IT WASN'T A

BEAUTIFUL DAY.

THE RNC WAS NOT THERE.

WE DID NOT COORDINATE.

WE WERE NOT PART OF PLANNING

THAT DAY, BUT I ALSO TAKE IT A

DIFFERENT WAY, KRISTEN.

WHEN MY KIDS SEE THIS ON THE

INTERNET AND THEY SEE ALL THESE

FLAGS AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE

REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ALL OF THIS,

IT CHANGES THEM.

THEY SAY, MOM, WHAT IS GOING ON?

IT'S FRIGHTENING.

THIS IS A DARK DAY IN OUR

HISTORY AND WE CAN NEVER BACK

AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT WE

SHOULD ALL BE CONDEMNING THE

EVENTS OF JANUARY 6th.

>> I WANT TO TURN NOW TO YOUR

ACTIONS IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE

2020 ELECTION.

>> SURE.

>> ON NOVEMBER 17th YOU AND

DONALD TRUMP WERE RECORDED

PUSHING TWO REPUBLICAN MICHIGAN

OFFICIALS -- ELECTION OFFICIALS

NOT TO CERTIFY THE RESULTS OF

THE ELECTION AND ON THE CALL

YOU'RE RECORDED AS SAYING,

QUOTE, IF YOU CAN GO HOME

TONIGHT DO NOT SIGN IT.

WE WILL GET YOU ATTORNEYS.

DO YOU HAVE REGRETS ABOUT THAT

PHONE CALL IN YOUR --

>> I AM SO GLAD YOU ASKED ME

ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'VE NEVER

HAD A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THIS,

AND IF YOU KNOW THE COURSE OF

WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT, THESE

TWO INDIVIDUALS WENT INTO A

HEARING.

THEY VOTED NO.

THEY DIDN'T VOTE NOT TO CERTIFY.

THEY SAID WE WANT AN AUDIT.

THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS IN

WAYNE COUNTY.

THEY'VE BEEN CONSISTENT AND WELL

DOCUMENTED OVER SUBSEQUENT

ELECTIONS AND AS CANVASSERS WE

THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN AUDIT.

THAT'S ALL THEY ASKED FOR.

ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPENED,

THEY WERE CALLED SUCH VICIOUS

NAMES, SUCH VILE NAMES, FAMILY

MEMBERS ARE BEING THREATENED

THAT THEY CHANGED THEIR VOTE AND

THEY LEFT SHAKEN AND I DID CALL

THEM AND SAY NOBODY, AND I THINK

WE SHOULD AGREE ON THIS AS

REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS,

NOBODY SHOULD BE THREATENED OR

BULLIED OR PUSHED TO CHANGE A

VOTE AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO

THEM, AND I WANT TO THE FINISH

BY SAYING OUR CALL THAT NIGHT

WAS TO SAY ARE YOU OKAY?

THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.

IT WAS THREE AND A HALF YEARS

AGO.

THESE ARE PEOPLE I KNEW.

I LIVE IN WAYNE COUNTY.

ARE YOU OKAY?

ARE YOU ALL RIGHT?

VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE, NOT

PUSHING THEM TO DO ANYTHING AND

THEN LET ME ADD ONE OTHER THING,

SHE WAS THREATENED TO SUCH A

DEGREE, MONICA, THAT SOMEBODY'S

GONE TO JAIL.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE THREATS

THAT SHE HAD, BUT WE CAN'T AS

PARTIES SAY WE SHOULDN'T BE

ATTACKING ELECTION WORKERS AND

ELECTION WORKERS NEED TO BE SAFE

AND WHEN IT HAPPENS TO

REPUBLICANS IGNORE IT AND ONLY

REPORT IT WHEN IT HAPPENS TO

DEMOCRATS.

SOMEONE WENT TO JAIL FOR THESE

ATTACKS.

>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE

SAYING ABOUT THE CONCERNS FOR

HER SAFETY, BUT YOU GOT ON THE

PHONE WITH HER, WITH THE THEN

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

HOW CAN ANYONE --

>> SAYING YOU SHOULD NOT BE

BULLIED TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE.

>> YOU SAID DO NOT SIGN IT.

IF YOU CAN GO HOME TONIGHT DO

NOT SIGN IT, HOW CAN PEOPLE SAY

IT'S ANYTHING OTHER THAN A

PRESSURE CAMPAIGN.

>> THE PRESSURE WAS PUT ON THEM

AFTER THE HOURS AND HOURS OF

THREATS AND ABUSE THEY WERE

RECEIVING THAT COERCED THEM TO

CHANGE THEIR VOTE AND THEY

SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH

THAT.

>> BUT IF THEY'RE ON THE PHONE

WITH YOU AND DONALD TRUMP WHO

WAS THEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES --

>> I WAS NOT TELLING -- WHAT I'M

SAYING IS I SUPPORT YOU VOTING

YOUR CONSCIENCE.

>> DO YOU REGRET MAKING THAT

PHONE CALL, RONNA?

>> I REGRET THE FACT THAT PEOPLE

ARE BEING THREATENED FOR DOING

THEIR JOB IN THIS COUNTRY.

I THINK IT'S WRONG TO SAY I WANT

A SIMPLE AUDIT AND TO HAVE YOUR

FAMILY BE THREATENED, YOUR

DAUGHTER BE THREATENED, YOUR

LIVELIHOOD BE THREATENED, BEING

CALLED RACIST.

GO LOOK AT THE TRANSCRYPTS AND

THIS IS THE ONE THING WE CAN'T

HAVE ONE STANDARD FOR DEMOCRATS

AND NOT REPUBLICAN.

>> UNDERSTOOD.

RONNA, ULTIMATELY, THERE WERE

250 AUDITS AND THEY NEVER FOUND

THERE WAS ANY CORRUPTION.

DID YOU NOT HAVE A

RESPONSIBILITY AS RNC CHAIR TO

SAY BEFORE JANUARY 6th THE

ELECTION IS NOT RIGGED THAT

DONALD TRUMP LOST GIVEN THAT

THERE WERE AUDITS AND GIVEN THAT

THERE WERE MORE THAN 60 COURT

CASES THAT OCCURRED ALL ACROSS

THE COUNTRY AND THAT DONALD

TRUMP LOST.

>> THE REALITY IS JOE BIDEN WON.

HE'S THE PRESIDENT.

HE'S THE LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT.

I HAVE ALWAYS SAID, AND I

CONTINUE TO SAY THERE WERE

ISSUES IN 2020.

I BELIEVE BOTH CAN BE TRUE.

YOU CAN SAY MASSIVE LAWS WERE

CHANGED AND THEY WERE CHANGED

THROUGH COURTS OR THROUGH

SECRETARIES OF STATE AND NOT

THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS

IN THE NAME OF THE PANDEMIC THAT

TOOK AWAY SAFEGUARDS TO THE

ELECTION.

>> BUT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE DID

NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL IN ANY WAY

OF OVERTURNING ANY ELECTION.

>> IN NOVEMBER, WHICH BY THE

WAY, IS WHEN THAT CALL TOOK

PLACE IN NOVEMBER.

THE ELECTION HAPPENS IN

NOVEMBER.

WE ARE GETTING SO MUCH INCOMING.

WE HAVE A JOB TO SAY THIS WAS

DONE CORRECTLY, AND I'LL JUST

FINISH ABOUT WAYNE COUNTY.

>> YEAH.

>> THERE WERE PRECINCTS THAT

DIDN'T ALIGN.

THAT'S A FACT.

THAT'S NOT PROPAGANDA.

THAT'S FACT SO WHY CAN'T YOU SAY

HEY, LISTEN, THESE PRECINCTS

AREN'T ALIGNING.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK UNDER THE

HOOD.