Karen Read Case: Cold Blooded Murderer or Cover-Up? The VERY Controversial Case & A Deep Dive
Summary
TLDRIn this episode of Serial, host Annie Elise delves into the controversial case of Karen Reed, who is accused of murdering her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keefe. The case is complicated by allegations of a cover-up involving law enforcement and a mysterious Google search about dying in the cold. As Karen's trial approaches, new evidence emerges, including the revelation that the lead investigator may have had undisclosed personal ties to key players in the case, casting doubt on the investigation's integrity and raising questions about Karen's guilt.
Takeaways
- 🔍 The case revolves around Karen Reed, who is accused of hitting and killing her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keefe, on January 28th, 2022.
- 👩⚖️ Karen Reed's defense team insists on her innocence and alleges a potential cover-up involving state and local police, suggesting that O'Keefe was assaulted inside a house and left outside.
- 🚨 The prosecution argues that Reed ran over O'Keefe and left the scene after a night of drinking, basing their case on evidence such as matching red plastic from Reed's tail light found at the scene.
- 🧬 Forensic data and surveillance video information are crucial to the case, with both sides interpreting the evidence differently.
- 📱 Text messages and voicemails between Reed and O'Keefe reveal a turbulent relationship, with O'Keefe wanting to end the relationship and Reed expressing anger and hate towards him.
- 🔎 The defense claims that O'Keefe's injuries were consistent with an animal attack and points to the involvement of a German Shepherd owned by the homeowner of the house where O'Keefe was found dead.
- 📅 The trial has faced multiple delays and legal battles, including a federal investigation into the arrest and prosecution of Reed, and the potential misconduct by the prosecution and lead investigator Trooper Michael Proctor.
- 🤝 Social connections between Proctor and the Albert family, where O'Keefe's body was found, raise questions about the objectivity of the investigation.
- 🚗 An accident reconstructionist hired by the FBI found that O'Keefe's injuries were inconsistent with being hit by Reed's car, adding a layer of complexity to the case.
- 📢 The case has garnered significant public attention and support for Reed, with many people rallying outside the courthouse in her defense.
Q & A
What personal struggles was the host of Serial dealing with at the beginning of the episode?
-The host of Serial was dealing with jaw issues which required a surgical procedure. She mentioned that her jaw pain was finally under control, but she was still experiencing swelling and nerve bruising that affected her speech and made her mouth move differently.
What was the controversy surrounding the case of Karen Reed?
-The controversy surrounding the case of Karen Reed was that she was accused of hitting her boyfriend, John O'Keefe, a Boston police officer, with her car and then leaving him to die in the cold. The case is complex due to conflicting evidence, allegations of a cover-up involving law enforcement, and the fact that mainstream media outlets were openly speculating about a potential murder or cover-up.
What happened on the night of January 28th, 2022, according to the prosecution's version of events?
-According to the prosecution, on the night of January 28th, 2022, Karen Reed and John O'Keefe were bar-hopping and were invited to a fellow police officer's house for an afterparty. Prosecutors allege that Karen, in a drunken rage, reversed her Lexus SUV and hit John, then drove off and left him to die in the cold.
What is Karen Reed's defense team alleging happened on the night of John O'Keefe's death?
-Karen Reed's defense team alleges that John went into the house for the afterparty and something must have happened inside the house after she left. They believe that whatever happened inside escalated quickly and then John was placed outside the house where he was found dead in the morning.
The defense and prosecution disagreed on the interpretation of the same video and digital evidence. The defense alleges a cover-up by the Massachusetts State Police, implying that multiple law enforcement agents are involved in a murder and that all of those officers have extremely close ties to a Massachusetts State Trooper who led the investigation into Karen from the start.
-The defense and prosecution disagreed on the interpretation of the same video and digital evidence. The defense alleges a cover-up by the Massachusetts State Police, implying that multiple law enforcement agents are involved in a murder and that all of those officers have extremely close ties to a Massachusetts State Trooper who led the investigation into Karen from the start.
What happened on the night Karen and John went out with their friends?
-Karen and John went out with their friends, including other Boston police officers, to local bars and later to the home of another Boston police officer for a continuation of the party. This was the night before John was found dead outside the house.
What was the cause of John O'Keefe's death according to the medical examiner?
-The medical examiner found that John O'Keefe's death was due to significant blunt force trauma injuries that occurred prior to him becoming hypothermic. The hypothermia was a contributing factor to his death, along with the brain bleeding and possible involvement of a physical altercation or fight.
What was the significance of the broken tail light on Karen's Lexus SUV?
-The broken tail light on Karen's Lexus SUV was significant because it was part of the evidence suggesting that Karen may have hit John with her car. A piece of red plastic matching the tail light was found at the scene where John was found, and shards of a cocktail glass were embedded in the bumper of the SUV.
What were the charges against Karen Reed initially and how did they change over time?
-Karen Reed was initially charged with manslaughter, motor vehicular homicide, and leaving the scene of a collision that caused a death. However, after a grand jury was presented with more information, her charges were upgraded to second-degree murder.
What is the main argument of Karen Reed's defense team?
-Karen Reed's defense team argues that she is innocent and that there was foul play by other parties inside the house where John was found dead. They suggest that John was assaulted before being left outside and that there is a potential cover-up involving state and local police.
What was the significance of the Google search made by Jennifer McCabe?
-The Google search made by Jennifer McCabe, inquiring about how long it takes to die in the cold, was significant because it was made hours before John O'Keefe's body was discovered. This raised suspicions and added to the complexity of the case, as it could potentially suggest foreknowledge of the crime.
What was the role of the dog in the case?
-The defense team suggested that the dog, owned by Brian Albert, might have attacked John O'Keefe. They pointed out that the injuries on John's arm were consistent with an animal attack and that the dog was rehomed mysteriously after the incident. This theory was supported by the fact that Brian Albert admitted the dog was not great with strangers.
What was the significance of the phone records and text messages between John and Karen?
-The phone records and text messages between John and Karen showed that they were having relationship problems and that John wanted to break up with her. This could potentially provide a motive for the crime, as suggested by the prosecution.
What was the impact of the federal investigation on the case?
-The federal investigation added another layer of complexity to the case. It was revealed that the lead investigator, Trooper Michael Proctor, might have had a personal relationship with some of the involved parties, which could potentially bias the investigation. The defense team used this information to question the integrity of the case against Karen Reed.
What was the public's reaction to Karen Reed's case?
-There was a significant amount of public support for Karen Reed. Many people rallied outside the courthouse in her support, which is unusual for a case involving the murder of a police officer. This could potentially indicate a level of doubt about Karen's guilt or a belief in a potential cover-up or conspiracy.
Outlines
🎤 Podcast Introduction and Personal Update
The host welcomes the audience to a new episode of the Serial podcast, disclosing a recent medical procedure that has temporarily affected their appearance and speech. They provide context for the situation, including the nature of their jaw issues, the ineffective Botox treatment, and the more invasive procedure they underwent. Despite still recovering and experiencing swelling and nerve bruising, the host decides to continue recording to share important cases, albeit with more media and b-roll footage due to their current insecurities about their appearance.
🕵️♂️ Case Introduction: The Mysterious Death of John O'Keefe
The host delves into the controversial case of Karen Reed, a finance professor accused of causing the death of her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keefe. The case began as a conspiracy theory but has since gained mainstream media attention, with discussions of a potential cover-up. The host outlines the events of January 28th, 2022, when Reed and O'Keefe went bar-hopping and were invited to a fellow officer's house party. The details of what happened next are disputed, with prosecutors alleging Reed hit O'Keefe with her SUV in a fit of rage, while Reed's defense team suggests a cover-up involving multiple law enforcement agents.
🔍 Examining the Evidence: Witnesses and Assertions
The host presents the conflicting accounts from witnesses and the evidence collected from the scene. Friends of Reed and O'Keefe who were present on the night of the incident provide varying testimonies, and the host discusses the forensic data and surveillance video that both the defense and prosecution interpret differently. The case becomes a battle of experts, with the defense alleging a conspiracy and cover-up by the Massachusetts State Police, implying that multiple officers are involved in a murder.
🚨 The Night of January 28th: Sequence of Events
The host reconstructs the sequence of events on January 28th, detailing the night's activities, the arrival at the house party, and the discovery of O'Keefe's body. The narrative includes the testimonies of various witnesses, the timeline of text messages and phone calls, and the actions of Reed and O'Keefe throughout the night. The host also describes the emergency response and the initial police investigation, highlighting the confusion and distress of those involved.
🩺 John O'Keefe's Autopsy and Injuries
The host discusses the results of John O'Keefe's autopsy, which revealed multiple injuries, including a laceration to the back of his head, skull fractures, and brain bleeding. The medical examiner's findings suggest that the significant blunt force trauma occurred before O'Keefe became hypothermic. The host also describes the condition of O'Keefe's clothing and the potential contributing factors to his death, including hypothermia and the extensive blunt force trauma.
📱 Analysis of Phone Records and Voicemails
The host examines the phone records and voicemails between John O'Keefe and Karen Reed, revealing problems in their relationship, frequent arguments, and O'Keefe's desire to end the relationship. The analysis of the digital evidence provides insight into the couple's interactions and Reed's emotional state leading up to the incident. The host also discusses the collection and examination of evidence from Reed's vehicle, including broken glass fragments and scratches, as well as the results of tests conducted on the SUV's rear backup camera system.
👩⚖️ Karen Reed's Arrest and Legal Battle
The host outlines the legal proceedings following Karen Reed's arrest, detailing the initial charges and the subsequent upgrading of charges to second-degree murder. The defense's theories and strategies are discussed, including their allegations of foul play by others inside the house and a potential cover-up involving state and local police. The host also mentions the public support for Reed and the impact of the case on the community.
🔎 Unraveling the Mystery: Defense and Prosecution Theories
The host explores the defense's theory that John O'Keefe was attacked inside the house and moved outside later, and their allegations of a cover-up involving law enforcement. The host also addresses the prosecution's stance, which maintains that Reed ran over O'Keefe and left the scene. The defense's claims about the involvement of a dog and the injuries sustained by O'Keefe, as well as the potential destruction of evidence, are discussed in detail.
📢 Public Reactions and the Role of Social Media
The host discusses the public's reactions to the case, including the harassment of witnesses and the impact of social media. The district attorney's statement condemning the harassment and the spread of false narratives is highlighted. The host emphasizes the importance of a fair trial and the dangers of trying cases in the court of public opinion.
🎥 Surveillance Footage and Tail Light Controversy
The host analyzes the surveillance footage that shows Karen Reed backing up her car and the potential damage to the tail light. The defense's claim that the tail light damage could have occurred during the alleged collision with O'Keefe is discussed, as well as the possibility that the damage could have happened at a different time. The host considers the reasonable doubt surrounding the tail light's damage and the implications for the case.
📱 Further Phone Activity and Investigation Updates
The host delves into the phone activity of Jennifer McCabe, who is accused of searching 'how long to die in the cold' on Google, and the implications of this search for the case. The timeline of events and the potential involvement of other individuals in the case are explored. The host also discusses the district attorney's response to the case and the ongoing investigation.
🕵️♂️ Federal Investigation and Accusations of Conspiracy
The host reports on the federal investigation into the case, the potential involvement of Trooper Proctor in planting evidence, and the allegations of a conspiracy. The host examines the claims made by the defense, the responses from the involved parties, and the impact of these accusations on the case and the community.
🎥 Spotlight on the Defense and Public Support
The host discusses the defense's strategy, the public's support for Karen Reed, and the unusual nature of this support given the high-profile nature of the case. The host reflects on the implications of this support and the potential influence of public opinion on the case's outcome.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Serial podcast
💡Karen Reed
💡John O'Keefe
💡Legal case
💡Forensic data
💡Conspiracy theory
💡Mainstream media
💡Surveillance video
💡Hearing
💡Medical examiner
💡Hypothermia
Highlights
The case revolves around Karen Reed and her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keefe, and the controversial circumstances surrounding O'Keefe's death.
Karen Reed has been struggling with jaw issues and underwent a more invasive procedure which has left her swollen and affecting her speech.
The night of January 28th, 2022, Karen and John went bar hopping and were invited to a fellow officer's house for an afterparty, leading to a night of conflicting accounts and allegations.
Prosecutors claim Karen, in a drunken rage, hit John with her Lexus SUV and left him to die in the cold.
Karen's defense argues that John went into the house for the afterparty and something must have happened inside, leading to his death outside the house the following morning.
The case has sparked a media frenzy, with mainstream sources questioning if it's a cold-blooded murder or a cover-up, highlighting the complexity and controversy of the situation.
Karen Reed is a 42-year-old Finance Professor with no prior criminal history, and her defense team alleges a potential cover-up involving Massachusetts State Police.
The defense suggests a possible connection between John's death and other parties at the afterparty, including the homeowner and his dog.
The case lacks clear-cut evidence such as surveillance video or DNA, leading to a reliance on witness testimonies and creating a 'fog of gray' around the events.
John O'Keefe was a 16-year veteran of the Boston Police Department and his death has left many in the community shocked and devastated.
The investigation into Karen Reed's case has uncovered a series of inconsistencies, potential cover-ups, and a federal probe into the conduct of the lead investigator, Trooper Michael Proctor.
The trial has been pushed back multiple times due to ongoing investigations and the uncovering of new evidence that could potentially be exculpatory for Karen Reed.
An independent accident reconstructionist hired by the FBI found that John O'Keefe's injuries were inconsistent with being hit by a car, casting doubt on the prosecution's case.
The defense alleges that Karen Reed's phone was seized as part of a witness intimidation conspiracy involving a blogger known as Turtle Boy, and that she was selectively targeted due to her public profile.
The district attorney's office has been accused of misconduct for not disclosing the federal investigation into the case and the lead investigator's personal connections to witnesses.
The case has garnered significant public interest and support for Karen Reed, with many rallying outside the courthouse in her defense.
Transcripts
[Music]
hey True Crime besties welcome back to
an all new episode of Serial
asly hey everybody welcome back to an
all new episode of Serial asly with me
Annie Elise boy oh boy do we have a case
to talk about today however before we
get into that I just wanted to jump on
and kind of do an announcement
disclaimer something like that you might
notice that my mouth is moving a little
bit differently and that I look a little
bit swollen don't worry it's not Botox
it's not filler I know you guys love to
say that but truth is I haven't gotten
Botox or filler in like well over a year
actually I take that back I did get
botox for my jaw and my masser muscles
before I had my most recent procedure um
as a last Stitch effort before having
surgery but anyways that kind of brings
me to that so basically most of you know
I have been struggling with a lot of jaw
issues since fall of last year I had a
small procedure done in December and it
seemed to have helped but it only really
helped for about 6 to 8 weeks and then
the pain came back and it was even more
severe so we did the master Botox hoping
that if we relaxed the muscle that maybe
that would fix it it didn't big surprise
so recently I went in and I had a more
invasive procedure now the good news in
all of this is that my jaw pain is
finally under control like I think we
finally figured it out fingers crossed
the bad news is I'm very swollen still I
have some nerve bruising as well and so
it's making my mouth move a little bit
differently it's also affecting my
speech a little bit it's getting better
and better every single day but it it's
not 100% I thought that the recovery was
only going to be a few weeks but it's
proving to take a little bit longer I
was going to take a break and just not
record until it got better but I was
like you know what no I can speak a lot
of these cases need to be known I'm
going to just do it anyway but that
being said you might notice that things
look different and I just wanted to come
on here and be transparent with what's
going on a lot of you I saw from my most
recent video on the Ruby Frankie case
you already knew that and knew that I
had surgery cuz I had talked about it in
one of my episodes I think and I had Amy
my sister actually do headline
highlights for me the week I had the
surgery cuz I couldn't speak at all I
was like closed shut but anyways long
story short things are swollen my mouth
is there's some nerve issues which will
get better it's just going to take time
and so because of that yeah look I'm
insecure like so many other people I'm
self-conscious about things like other
people so until things get better and
there's improve movement I am going to
be adding in more media and more b-roll
footage over these videos just because I
personally don't even like seeing the
inflammation and how how weird it makes
me look when I'm talking which call me
vain I it's not vain it's just like it's
something that bothers me and I'm
insecure about it I get insecure too
guys so um but anyways I know that
there's been some questions about what's
been going on I noticed um some people
have noticed that there are some
differences happening with my mouth and
so before everybody kind of runs rampant
and starts talking about all these crazy
rumors and bring up Botox and fillers
it's not that it's just I finally got my
jaw corrected but it is taking longer
than planned to heal so that's really
that so the case that we are talking
about today guys is one that is very
very controversial it is one that I
talked about several several months ago
very briefly it started kind of as like
a conspiracy case not a lot of people
were talking about it because it felt
very heavy into the conspiracy but
what's crazy is now mainstream media
sources are even talking about it and
they're full out point blank on their
headers while they're talking about it
they're saying is this a cold-blooded
murder or is this a cover up now
generally in any cases that we've seen
before where there is discussion of
possibly a cover up or possibly some
conspiracy media Outlets especially
mainstream ones never are bold enough to
like put that point blank as the header
on their coverage but it has become so
controversial and there are so many
different elements to this case that
could make you side one way or another
that they're calling it that it's pretty
wild to see so the case we're talking
about today is the one of Karen Reed on
January 28th 2022 Karen Reed and her
boyfriend Boston police officer johon
o'keef spent the night bar hopping and
then later that night they were invited
to a fellow police officer's house for
an Afterparty this was in Canton
Massachusetts so when Karen and John
arrived at the house Karen decided not
to get out of the car but Jon did now
what happened next is Up For Debate
prosecutors say that Karen was mad at
John and that in a drunken rage she
reversed her Lexus SUV and hit him then
drove off and left him to die in the
cold Karen on the other hand has a
completely different story she and her
defense team say that Jon 100% went into
that house for the Afterparty and that
something must have happened inside that
house after she left they believe that
whatever happened inside escalated
quickly and then Jon was placed outside
of the house where he was then found
dead in the morning now it's not
uncommon for criminal cases to have a
lot of gray areas meaning the jurors are
tasked with deciding The credibility of
witnesses to figure out the full story
right maybe there's some conflicting
eyewitness testimony or in some cases
jurors must decide if they believe the
defendants testimony from the stand but
typically this is coupled with some
black and white hard facts surveillance
video DNA digital evidence all of this
is pretty standard we see this all the
time right well imagine a scenario that
completely defies logic and just throws
all of that out the window and it turns
what should be black and white into a
massive gray area and that's exactly
what the Karen Reed case is just a deep
fog of gray now the reason that this
case is so polarizing with both sides
having such strong beliefs stems from a
few issues
this case has forensic data as well as
surveillance video information typically
seen as black and white it either exists
or it doesn't the video shows something
or it doesn't right well the defense and
the prosecution believe that the same
video shows two different things same
with the digital evidence I mean the
literal receipts they can't agree on
what that shows either and it's kind of
turned into this like Battle of the
experts on what the digital evidence
actually says see the defense is
alleging a cover up by the Massachusetts
State Police implying that multiple law
enforcement agents are involved in a
murder and that all of those officers
have extremely close ties to a
massachusett State Trooper the same
trooper that led the investigation into
Karen from the get-go there's a missing
dog there's missing flooring and on top
of that the US attorney's office of
Massachusetts has launched a federal
investigation into Karen's arrest and
prosecution now you might be wondering
what are you even talking about Annie
how on Earth did we get here so let me
break it down for you because this is a
pretty wild case Karen Reed is a
42-year-old Finance Professor from
Mansfield Massachusetts Karen started
dating John o'keef a Boston police
officer back in
2019 they actually had first dated in
their 20s before then later reconnecting
now Karen has a home in Mansfield but
once she and John became more serious I
mean for the most part she always stayed
at his house so it was almost as though
they lived together now let's get right
to the night in question which is
January 28th 2022 it was supposed to be
a normal Friday night typical the normal
kind of thing they would do JN and Karen
planned to just go to some local bars
have some drinks and meet up with some
of Jon's friends some of whom were also
fellow Boston police officers and that's
when the events in this case began to
unfold do you remember the massive
snowstorm that hit most of the US but
especially parts of the Northeast back
on January 9th 2022 this storm it had it
all I mean just insane amounts of snow
hurricane force wind gust and here along
the coastline just south of Boston we
had incredible waves that were banging
up against this newly reinforced seaw
wall and up over this this road and
these homes completely intuned encased
in ice and it's just a surreal scene
here storm after storm single digit
temperatures here again but looking at
this just a surreal scene that
highlights just how explosive and
historic this storm was well earlier
that morning at 6:04 a.m. a frantic
police call came into the department in
Canton Massachusetts a small suburb of
Boston the caller on the other end said
that a man John O'Keefe a Boston police
officer was lying in the middle of the
street and not responsive and that this
was outside of a home at 34 Fair viiew
Road officers sarif and meany were then
dispatched to the chilling scene when
they arrived they were met with three
distressed women in the front yard area
of the house waving desperately for
attention two of them were hunched over
JN trying to revive him with CPR the
women were identified as Karen Reed
Jennifer McCabe and Carrie Roberts
officer sarif felt Jon's lifeless body
and he was cold and he wasn't breathing
Canton Fire and EMS arrived just moments
later and Jon was rushed to the Good
Samaritan Medical Center in Brockton but
despite all of their efforts hours later
John O'Keefe was declared dead so let's
talk about John for just a minute here
because John was a 16-year veteran of
the Boston Police Department he was
known for his dedication not just to his
work but also to his family and his
friends Beyond his role as a police
officer he played a pivotal role in his
personal life as the sole caregiver to
his niece and nephew and he was only 46
years old when he died his tragic death
left not only his family but many people
in the Community just shocked and
completely devastated and more than that
the night before he was with Karen and
they had met up with Jon's friends a
huge group of people which included many
fellow Boston police officers and some
of their wives some of whom were even
related to each other and the house
where John was lying outside of where he
was found was owned by another Boston
police officer so how could this have
happened who would do this that's a
pretty Brazen move to kill a police
officer outside the home of another
police officer with a house full of more
police officers so naturally the next
thing that the Canton police officers
had to do was start their investigation
and get to the bottom of this who was
responsible what happened as other
Canton officers arrived at the scene
where Jon was found they started sifting
through the Mounds of snow they found a
broken cocktail glass and there were
splashes of red by the snow near it
thinking this was blood officers began
to process the cocktail glass as
evidence they began to question one of
the women Jennifer McCabe who was one of
the women at the scene when that 911
call came in Jennifer said that the
night before she was at the waterfall
bar and grill with her husband Matthew
Karen and John met up with them and with
a group of friends and they were all
hanging out at the waterfall around
11:00 p.m. she said that there were
several people in the group at the bar
and later on at the home on 34 Fairview
she said that Karen looked fine and
appeared to be happy and she said they
were AC very normal they weren't arguing
and nothing stood out to her it wasn't
just Jennifer who noticed this every
witness that the Troopers later
interviewed echoed the same sentiment
the night was calm it was friendly and
everyone seemed to be in a really good
mood so as the bar was beginning to
close around midnight Jennifer invited
JN and Karen to continue the party over
at her sister Nicole Albert's home right
there on 34 Fairview Road as Jennifer
was walking up to her car she received a
text message from John asking where to
this was at 12:14 a.m. Jennifer replied
with the address of 34 Fair viiew Road
at 12:18 a.m. John called Jennifer to
ask more specifically where the house
was located on Fair viiew while inside
the house she looked out the window and
saw a black SUV consistent with Karen's
car which is a 2021 black Lexus SUV pull
up in front of the house Jennifer then
texted John at 12:31 a.m. saying hello
and again at 12:40 a.m. saying pull up
behind me referencing to her vehicle's
parking spot within the driveway to the
home located right there on the right
side of the property while looking out
the window Jennifer said she saw the
black SUV shift from its original spot
on the street near the driveway to the
left side of the property which is where
Jon's body was found the following
morning at 12:45 a.m. Jennifer texted
John again saying hello and shortly
after she saw the black SUV depart part
from the property around 4:53 a.m.
Jennifer got a call from Karen Karen was
searching for John the call came in from
Jon's niece's phone though because Karen
asked her to call Jennifer for her
Jennifer picked up and chatted briefly
with the niece and then Karen got on the
phone Jennifer told the officers that
Karen sounded extremely distraught and
said that she was driving to Jennifer's
house apparently she told Jennifer that
her last memory of Jon was back at the
waterfall bar Jennifer corrected her by
saying that she had seen them leave the
bar together and that she saw Karen's
black Lexus outside the fair viiew house
well then being confronted with that
information Karen's story changed a
little bit Karen told Jennifer that the
last time that she had seen John maybe
they had an argument Karen made it over
to Jennifer's place around 5:30 a.m.
shortly after she got there Carrie
Roberts showed up because she also got
some frantic phone calls that morning
from Karen freaking out about not being
able to find JN so because of how upset
Karen was when she arrived at Jennifer's
house Jennifer decided to drive Karen's
vehicle back to Jon's house with Carrie
also following in her own car on the way
to Jon's house Jennifer said that Karen
suddenly blurted out could I have hit
him did I hit him then as they were
pulling up to Jon's house Karen
mentioned a broken tail light on her SUV
and when they got out of the car Karen
was quick to show Jennifer the damage
Jennifer saw the right rear tail light
was smashed and missing some pieces then
the two of them hopped into car's car to
keep searching for John Karen squeezed
into the back seat and Carrie took the
wheel and Jennifer rode shotgun Jennifer
said while they were driving down Fair
viiew Road the snow was coming down very
hard and the wind was no joke making it
very tough to see much of anything at
that moment just before they reached the
street number 34 on Fair viiew Road
Karen sh it out that she saw Jon by a
group of trees this caught Jennifer and
Carrie very off guard because neither of
them could spot him in all of that snow
but without missing a beat Karen was out
of the car running straight to where Jon
was lying covered by about a half a foot
of snow Karen then laid herself over him
trying to warm him up and started doing
CPR while Karen was frantic Jennifer
noticed Jon's phone just lying there
underneath him twice Karen shouted at
Jennifer telling her to Google and look
up how long do you have to be left
outside until you die from hypothermia
or something along those lines but
Jennifer and her recollection couldn't
be more specific Troopers also
interviewed Brian and Nicole Albert the
homeowners of 34 Fairview Brian Albert
is a fellow Boston police officer just
like John Brian and Nicole confirmed
that they had been out at the waterfall
bar that night hanging out with friends
and family they left around closing time
and headed back home they recalled
seeing both JN and Karen at the bar but
said that they didn't really know them
all that well and JN and Karen had just
joined their group for that evening
Brian and Nicole mentioned that after
the bar a bunch of people from their
crew came over to their place and hung
out for about an hour or so they
mentioned that their nephew Colin Albert
was home when they got back but he had
left way before the group from the bar
showed up at the house a couple of other
people that were inside that home the
previous night said the same thing
interestingly Brian and Nicole said that
they had no idea that JN and Karen even
thought about stopping by their house at
all after the bars but also said that if
they had it would have been no big deal
and they would have been fine had they
just shown up Brian and Nicole had no
idea what was going on outside their
home or that Jon was lying outside until
Jennifer let them know early that
morning several other people who were
there at Albert's house that night were
also interviewed another guy named Mr
Nagel was riding in a truck with his
friend and his sister Julie over to
Albert's house to drop off his sister
over at their get together they dropped
Julie off and as they were leaving he
believed he saw a large black SUV pull
up to the house right as he was leaving
he said it didn't seem like the other
driver put the SUV in park at any point
and he knew this because he could see
that the rear brake lights were
illuminated specifically the third top
Center light when they drove past the
black SUV he said the interior lights
were on in the car and he could see a
white female in the driver's seat
holding holding the steering wheel at 10
and 2 and staring straight ahead of her
other Witnesses were also interviewed
about who was there at the home that
night and it seemed to officers that all
of their stories were consistent with
each other and not one person said they
saw Jon at all after waterfall bar
Carrie Roberts told police that she got
a call around 5:00 a.m. from Karen who
was frantic Karen was saying why hasn't
Jon come home I'm so scared what if he's
dead what if a snowplow hit him all of
these things so Carrie quickly threw on
some clothes and drove over meeting
Karen at Jennifer's house Carrie could
see that Karen was acting weird maybe
even still a little bit drunk from the
night before she was repeating herself
saying she couldn't remember anything
from the previous night and said I was
so hammered Carrie I can't remember if
we even went to your sisters and Karen
seemed to be stuck on one
heart-wrenching question over and over
she asked everyone repeatedly around her
is he dead is he really dead at one
point she grabbed car's arm and said are
they really trying to save him or is he
gone on January 30th a trooper Proctor
and another Trooper interviewed Canton
firefighter Katie mcclaflin she had been
assigned to Station 1 on the 29th and
indicated that at approximately 6:00
a.m. the police call came through when
she and her team arrived at the scene
she saw Jon lying in the snow she said
that his eyes were extremely swollen
there was blood on his face and he had
vomit Stained on his lips Katie said she
approached a very distraught woman
nearby Karen hoping to get some
information about John and his medical
history Karen gave Jon's name and date
of birth Katie also asked Karen if she
knew where Jon had suffered the trauma
to his face and his eye and apparently
Karen turned around to one of her
friends and repeatedly said I hit him I
hit him I hit him and this was just the
beginning of a series of events that
were about to spiral so following their
initial witness interviews on January
29th the same Troopers went to Good
Samaritan to view Jon's body Jon's
clothing consisting of blue jeans an
orange T-shirt a long sleeve gray
t-shirt and boxer shorts were all
soaking wet and saturated with blood and
vomit John also had one black Nike
sneaker with a white Nike logo on the
side of it on January 31st a doctor from
the office of the chief medical
examiner's office conducted the autopsy
the doctor told Troopers that she
observed several abrasions to Jon's
right forearm the two swollen black eyes
a small Cut Above the right eye a cut to
the left side of his nose an
approximately 2 in laceration to the
back right of his head and multiple
skull fractures that resulted in
bleeding of the brain the doctor also
said that Jon's pancreas was a dark red
color indicating hypothermia was a
contributing factor to his death from
from the autopsy the doctor believed
that the significant blump force trauma
injuries occurred prior to Jon becoming
hypothermic and this because of the
hemorrhaging in his pancreas and stomach
and that when Jon arrived his body
temperature was reading in the low 80s
from all of this the doctor believed
that the extensive blunt force trauma
and brain bleeding likely made Jon
incapacitated and she said that she
didn't see any signs of Jon being
involved in any type of physical
altercation or fight meaning that it's
possible that Jon was still alive when
he was left out in the cold but couldn't
move at approximately 4:30 p.m. on
January 29th the same Troopers went to
Karen's parents house Karen's Lexus SUV
was outside and they were able to see
the rear light passenger side tail light
was shattered and a large piece of red
plastic was missing from that tail light
they were invited inside the home and
Karen agreed to talk with them so Karen
said she dropped off John at the house
on fair viiew but that she went home
because she was having stomach issues at
the waterfall she told them that when
she dropped Jon off she made a
three-point turn in the street and then
left and because of that she did not see
Jon enter the house Karen first saw her
broken tail light in the morning and did
not know how she had broken it the
previous evening Karen was adamant that
Jon was uninjured when she dropped him
off at that house she said that when she
found JN in the morning he was lying
face up snow on his legs his eyes
swollen and blood coming out of his nose
and mouth she stated that she began
providing him mouth to mouth immediately
additionally Karen said that she tried
to get a hold of Jon throughout the
night calling and texting him numerous
times but that Jon never answered her
Karen's Lexus SUV was immediately towed
from the driveway of Karen's parents
house and it was towed to the Canton
Police Department for them to process
additionally later on that day on the
29th the Massachusetts police special
Emergency Response Team searched the
vicinity of 34 Fair viiew Road there
they found another black Nike sneaker
matching the one that Jon was wearing
when he was found and in the thick of
the snow the team Unearthed two pieces
of plastic fragments one clear and one
red they were the missing pieces from
Karen's damaged tail light on February
first members of the Massachusetts State
Police crime scene Services section
including a crime lab chemist and the
collisions analysis reconstruction
section started processing the Lexus
they noted several pieces of evidence
during this process broken glass
fragments on the rear bumper a shattered
right passenger side tail light with
missing red and clear pieces and various
scratches and dents they also saw a
large scratch and minor dent on the
right side of the rear tail light and
chipped paint above the rear Bumper's
small red light they also ran tests on
the Lexus to make sure that the rear
backup camera system was working
properly they placed a life-sized 6ft
tall figure behind the SUV and began
filming as they reversed the vehicle
toward it the lexus's rear view camera
kicked into action displaying a clear
360° view on the dashboard screen as the
car got closer to the figure warning
alerts started playing indicating that
something was behind the car on February
22nd John's 10-year-old nephew CF and
14-year-old niece KF using their
initials because they're minors talked
at the Norfolk advocates for children
center in foxo Massachusetts the niece
said that Karen and JN had been fighting
a lot recently like two to three times a
week about a week before January 29th
she was sitting on the stairs in the
house and overheard them fighting the
niece heard John tell Karen that their
relationship was over and that it wasn't
good for them but Karen didn't want to
break up up and wouldn't leave on
January 29th Troopers found John's phone
and managed to get all of the info from
it the text the calls and the voicemails
between John and Karen specifically from
January 28th to 29th and it showed that
there were big problems in their
relationship JN wanted to break up and
Karen said that their relationship with
the kids was toxic on one of the
voicemails from Karen on John's phone
she was yelling and saying that she
hated him
also on January 29th Karen was taken to
the Good Samaritan Medical Center they
took a blood sample for medical reasons
and an expert in toxicology from the
Massachusetts State Police crime lab
reviewed these results so he estimated
that Karen's blood alcohol level at the
time that her blood was taken on the
29th was at about a 0.007% to 8% so then
doing the math and looking back from
there and backtracking he estimated her
BAC levels around at 12 45 a.m. might
have been between. 13% and.
29% and with that Karen Reed was
arrested in February of 2022 prosecutors
charged her with three crimes
manslaughter motor vehicular homicide
and the crime of leaving the scene of a
collision that caused a death but things
changed very quickly after a grand jury
was presented more of the information
that we just went through and Karen's
charges were upgraded to second degree
murder since her initial court hearing
after her charges were upgraded Karen's
defense team came out of the gate very
hot with a lot of theories of their own
and since then the case has become even
more complex in an interview with
Dateline highlighting what has been
going on in this case and the large
group of supporters that believe Karen
is innocent here's what Karen had to
say outside this court house in Canton
Massachusetts supporters swarmed around
Karen Reed charged with murder in
January 2022 death her boyfriend Boston
police officer John O'Keefe Reed has
strenuously denied the allegations I did
not kill joh O'Keefe I've never harmed a
hair on John O'Keefe's head her defense
bare knuckled and bold is making
National headlines her lawyers alleging
in court documents that a fellow police
officer was involved in O'Keefe's death
and colluded with other people in a
cover up you're alleging that law
enforcement officials in this state
committed murder and that they're
covering it up why would they want to be
involved in this because he's dead I I
think things went too far it was late
there was alcohol involved but they're
all family and there's there's many of
them involved after posting bail Reed
has spent much of the past 18 months in
and out of court awaiting a trial date
so let's break that down a little bit
here and get into more of what Karen's
defense has said in their motions and in
court first they insist that she is
innocent they claim she had no Criminal
Intent and highlighted her ongoing
medical issues including multiple
sclerosis colitis and a brain tumor and
now they suggest that Jon was definitely
inside the house and was actually
assaulted before being left outside
alleging Foul Play by other parties
inside that house and including a
potential cover up involving state and
local police so what does that actually
mean they used Jon's injuries as proof
of an alleged beating that took place
coupled with the homeowner Brian
Albert's German Shepherd attacking John
both times I met Brian Albert he he
seemed like the type of person that
you'd be surprised he's out socially cuz
he doesn't seem like he ever wants to be
there but at the bar Reed says there was
an invitation to continue hanging out at
Albert's home I said can we make sure
we're welcome here nobody extended the
invite to me I didn't hear the invite
extended to you they drive to the
Albert's house what happens next is
disputed so I pull at the foot of the
driveway it's snowing John has no coat
on it's windy so I drop him off he goes
up the driveway and approaches the side
door and as I see him approach the door
I look down at my phone Reed says after
about 10 minutes of waiting in her car
she became irritated that O'Keefe still
hadn't gotten in touch with her and she
drove back to his home where she
continued calling him before she says
she fell asleep around 1:30 in the
morning she then said she woke up before
5:00 a.m. he still wasn't home she then
started canvasing the neighborhood it's
going to drive around in the two square
miles that we spent the preceding night
after 20 minutes of unsuccessful
searching she called Jon's friend Carrie
Roberts and Jennifer McCabe Brian
Albert's sister-in-law who was also at
his house the night before they also
made claims from a search that they did
of a cell phone that belonged to someone
else at that house party and they used
this as proof saying that the state
police investigator in charge of the
case had ties to the homeowner and said
that people at the party coordinated to
point and blame falsely at Karen
additionally Karen had a much different
story to tell about some of the
arguments that Jon's niece and nephew
reported according to Karen Jon had been
relying more on her to take care of the
kids and he criticized some of the child
care decisions that she had made this
included an argument on New Year's Eve
in
2021 Karen said that Jon was
incoherently drunk and left her with his
niece and nephew leaving her feeling
like she was getting taken advantage of
Karen said that later on Jon profusely
apologized for what had happened but
then said If you can't get over it then
you need to spend some time at your
house I can't keep apologizing I don't
want to keep rehashing this there was
another situation the day before JN died
Jon's niece and nephew told
investigators that Jon and Karen argued
regularly and Jon had actually expressed
that he wanted to take a break from
their relationship completely but Karen
said that that's not what happened and
that the argument was over what she fed
his niece for breakfast Karen spoke out
after one of her hearings a reporter
named Steve Cooper from Boston news7
asked Karen just to be clear you didn't
do it and her response said it
all we know who did it Steve we know and
we know who spearheaded this cover up
you all know yes we do and no she didn't
do it no she didn't do it this is an
innocent woman we're not going to rest
until we get to the bottom of exactly
who's behind this cover up because not
just not only Karen Reed deserves this
John O'Keefe John o'keef deserves this
and has deserved this from Moment One
Reed's lawyers maintain O'Keefe was
attacking by a dog and beaten inside the
Canton home she dropped him off at
before she drove away a prosecutor say
Reed ran over o'keef and left the scene
after a night of drinking and they say
Reed's legal team is simply furthering a
conspiracy theory but Reed maintains her
innocence but it feels we're the only
ones fighting for the truth of what
happened to John O'Keefe and me and my
family and my attorneys and my team have
marshaled every resource to get to the
truth it just feels like no one else
wants it a lot of people have wondered
how someone could hit another person
hard enough to leave them seriously
injured and not notice even if they had
been drinking would it not have shaken
the car was there not a sound we know
that from law enforcement's testing that
the Lexus SUV's rear camera system was
working and that the car was beeping
when an object was behind it considering
the evidence there aren't any
eyewitnesses who saw Karen hit John and
some legal analysts and law professors
have described the evidence presented by
the prosecution as pretty
circumstantial however prosecutors have
also pointed to compelling pieces of
evidence such as the red plastic
matching Karen's tail light that was
found at the scene and shards of the
cocktail glass embedded in the bumper
the red plastic bumper pieces found at
the scene by Trooper Proctor have also
been brought into question by many
people online though as well as by the
defense the main issue people were
having is understanding how they could
have found this evidence on the street
after so much time had passed especially
given the weather conditions on the 29th
and the fact that multiple snow plows
may have already been through the area
pieces of tailight where O'Keefe was
allegedly hit but the reads say it
wasn't until after Karen's SUV was in
the custody of law enforcement state
police reported Towing the Lexus to the
Canton police station at 5:30 p.m.
Nathan Reed says daylight video from his
dad's house shows the car was taken more
than an hour before for that they
confiscate Karen's car at my parents
residence in north titon at 4:16 p.m.
and somewhere in the neighborhood of
5:30 5:45 Mass state police search team
comes back to the scene they search the
scene then with two feet of snow and
pieces of a tail lamp are found on top
of the stone that coupled with how
crucial this evidence is in alleging
Karen's involvement has obviously raised
questions and don't worry we are going
to get deeper into that in just a minute
but even if we can get past that what
about when Jon's body was discovered and
Karen tells an EMS worker I hit him I
hit him I hit him well Karen's defense
says that that's not what happened at
all and that she was posing that as a
question instead of a statement and guys
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bat for Karen some of the people saying
she's guilty of it a lot of conflicting
opinions hearings start to begin the
bottom line here your honor is that
we've spent 15 months trying to uncover
the truth we are not afraid of whatever
evidence is UN Unearthed from whatever
Source because for 15 months every
Stitch of evidence has been consistent
with my client's innocence we are as
indicated in our papers we are seeking
summonses and this is dealing with the
animal control issue that that rule 17
motion we're seeking summons is directed
at two entities the Canton Animal
Control and the Canton town clerk both
they we believe they both have records
we know they both have records these are
records that we need the defense needs
to shine a light on Karen Reed's
innocence these are records that are
Central to our theory of the case and
these are records that we have no other
option to get but through a summon
they've indicated to us they have the
records but they need a court order they
need some sort of a summons you're and
furtherance of this motion I want to
talk for a quick second about a couple
of Undisputed facts Undisputed fact
number one uh on January 29th 2022
officer John o'keef was found dead in
the yard of Brian Albert at his house at
34 Fairview in Canton that is Undisputed
fact where he was found dead and what
the circumstances were surrounding that
death are why we're here
now second Undisputed fact when joh
o'keef was found
he had this set of wounds on his right
arm the medical examiner indicated that
these wounds were concomitant with his
death in terms of the the temporal uh
the time that he died uh these were
wounds that he suffered at or near the
time that he died and the Commonwealth
looks at these wounds and says yeah
there's nothing nothing to see here why
are we looking at this this is uh you
know your your following a red herring
basically this is just a road rash uh
this means nothing it it it has no
impact on our case one way or the other
this is according to the Commonwealth
simply a set of injuries that joh
O'Keefe suffered at the hands of being
struck by a moving vehicle well first I
would ask the common sense question does
this look like a road rash I mean the
Court's got years decades of experience
life experience and legal experience of
course this doesn't look like a road
rash it's not a road rash that any of us
have ever seen or does it look more like
claw marks and bite marks from an animal
which is exactly what they are second if
it was a road rash where's the rest of
the road rash the had one set of
injuries like this deep scratches deep
puncture wounds on his arm on his right
arm only from mid biceps to Mid forearm
and no other place for instance mid
biceps and mid forearm that you might
put in front of your face or your body
if a large animal was attacking
you resulting in these
wounds why is are the wounds confined
just to his right arm what about all the
other pointy bits of a human body if
someone is rolled under a car or rolled
because in gravel because of the car
what about the shoulders what about the
knees what about the ankles what about
the elbows none of that exists these are
the only wounds they're confined to his
right arm and their deep scratch W
wounds puncture wounds that are
indicative of claw marks and bite marks
from a large animal and third what about
the Commonwealth sell expert she has to
have ained about this correct she has to
have said during the grand jury I mean
this was a full-throated investigation
surrounding the potential murder of a
police officer what does the the
Commonwealth's own expert say first of
all she was never asked by the
Commonwealth during the course of the
grand jury about the injuries it took a
grand juror actually asking the question
of the witness and she said no I cannot
say that is a road rash there's
certainly not enough evidence to suggest
that these wounds are consistent with a
road rash well she had to have at least
talked about the fact that it was an
animal right she had to the Commonwealth
had to have asked that question she
actually said nothing about whether or
not that's consistent with an animal
because the Commonwealth very
particularly did not ever posed that
question but we did we hired one of the
preeminent medical examiners in the
country a Doctor by the name of Sheridan
Frank Sheridan and he wasn't some Deputy
medical examiner Dr Frank Sheridan was
the medical examiner for San Bernardino
County in California with more than
12,000 autopsies under his belt the
supervising medical examiner for one of
the largest counties in California and
he concluded to a scientific certainty
that these wounds are from an animal
attack period full
stop so what do we know about
animals and the
AL which is exactly
where officer John O'Keefe was found
dead in February of
2017 we know that the Alberts had a dog
was a photograph of Brian Albert and
with a dog Chloe in the foreground by
2019 the Albert family had registered
ownership of that German
Shepherd moving on to 2022 in January of
2022 specifically January
29th joh o'keef suffers these animal
puncture wounds these animal scratches
the animal these animal bite marks that
are here to for and up to this date
today completely unexp explain by the
Commonwealth by May of
2022 Karen Reed's defense team starts
asking questions about this animal about
these injuries about the dog about what
dog existed at the Brian's at the
Albert's house uh where is the dog we
started inquiring pretty significantly
that same month
amazingly the Alberts informed the C
animal control that the dog was
remarkably and mysteriously
rehomed the dog was gotten rid of and to
dat the Commonwealth has yet as my C
colleague just mentioned has yet to
release the tissue samples to us for DNA
testing to determine if there's evidence
in these
wounds of a canine attack which we
believe there will
be during that grand jury testimony
Brian Albert admitted to three
things number one he admitted that he
owned a large German Shepherd his words
not mine a large German Shepherd number
two he admitted that the dog was at his
home on the night John O'Keefe early
morning hours John O'Keefe was killed on
January 29th 20122 and the dog according
to his own testimony was inside the
house and never in the front yard which
is where John oi's body was ultimately
found and the third thing that he
admitted was that the dog was quote not
great with strangers end quote that's a
dog owner's euphemism for the dog bites
the dog attacks the dog is mean or can
be
mean so why wouldn't the Commonwealth
ask about these injuries why wouldn't
the Commonwealth inquire as we have been
inquiring about the nature these
injuries and their significance in terms
of John o' kei's death it's because they
know that the answer completely
obliterates their case their theory of
homicide would fold if they got the true
answers to these questions the answer
exculpates Karen Reed and the answer
inculpates Ryan Albert that's because if
that dog was inside the house that night
not on the front lawn not in the front
yard but inside the house and these
injuries were suffered or sustained at
the time John O'Keefe was killed then
that means J O'Keefe was inside the
house when he was
killed and it also means that his body
was
moved that's consistent with the facts
that we also know to be true which is
not one person not one person that was
in that house and ultimately exited that
house from that party that night not one
saw joh O'Keefe's body laying in the
cold in the front yard and that's
because he wasn't there yet multiple
people walked out of the house multiple
people who would have no other reason
who had would have no reason to lie
about that a 200 lb man 6'2 lying in the
front yard on a light dusting of snow in
dark clothing not one person saw him
but if John O'Keefe was beaten
unconscious in for instance the basement
of that house and later moved to the
front yard after the guests had
left there's your answer as to why no
one saw him and it also answers two
other questions which are looming in
this
case why would Brian Albert rip out the
floor of his basement months after joh
o'keef was
killed the second
question why would he sell his
house so in the months following j o
Keef's death the dog has been gotten rid
of got rid of the evidence in the
basement got rid of the house the crime
scene
itself your honor I would submit to the
court that evidence is literally being
destroyed right under our nose
it's been reported that the federal
authorities have now gotten involved in
the circumstances surrounding this case
and are have impanel a grand jury a
Federal grand jury to investigate some
of these circumstances but Karen Reed
should not have to wait for the feds to
figure out which heads should roll our
understanding is at least up to this
point is that the dog was not only
rehomed or rehomed out of state out of
the jurisdiction of this court and out
of the reach of the defense or at least
that was the attempt we need those
records to find where that dog is if the
dog still exists we need a saliva sample
we need a hair sample we need something
and then we need the Commonwealth to
give us the tissue samples that were
taken at the time so that they can be
compared we know that he was beaten
we've got evidence that John o' was
beaten that he lay there unconscious and
we also have evidence that at the time
he was beaten facially and and blunt
force was used against the back of his
head he was also attacked by an
animal well Brian Albert who's a known
fighter owns a 90 lb German
Shepherd that has since been gotten rid
of and had a skin piercing incident as
the excuse for having gotten rid of it
so we know that the dog attacks
according to to sort of uncontroverted
evidence this is the first I've heard of
the Commonwealth's new position after
what 15 16 months
that somehow John O'Keefe was stabbed or
cut up with a broken cocktail
glass which would
produce these
injuries that makes absolutely no sense
it just doesn't pass the slip test these
are not from a cocktail glass who did
that to him is there is there new theory
that Karen Reed got out of the car broke
a cocktail glass that wielded an edge of
that cocktail glass and cut up John's
arm then John stood there while she
jumps in the car slams it into reverse
then hits him with the car with her tail
light in the back of the head it it it
makes absolutely no sense that is the
Commonwealth grasping at straws if it
walks like a duck and talks like a duck
it's a duck Karen's defense team dropped
even more bombs that some believe have
changed everything in this case they now
claim that someone inside the home
searched on Google for how long to die
in the cold and that this search was
made at 2:27 a.m. hours before Karen is
seen leaving Jon's house in the
surveillance footage and long before
John was discovered for instance
Jennifer mccab he said Jennifer mccab
was not up all night there's no evidence
whatsoever that Jennifer mccab was up
all night except for her apple Health
Data which shows that she was up all
night we didn't make that data up that
data came right from a a cell phone cell
phone extraction that was conducted in
no small part by their own expert and
then reconducted by our own
expert how about the fact that she was
actually on the phone
searching the Safari data establishes
that Not only was she up all night but
that the phone and Safari was being
manipulated during those times at 2:00
3:00 in the morning everything that
we've suggested is supported by the data
the evidence and the facts the
Commonwealth theory is supported by
conjecture and really bad policing their
expert Mr Bina indicated oh well you
can't rely on the Tim stamp of how long
to die in cold because that's at the
exact same time as the Ozark basketball
web page was brought up so something
must have gone wrong I don't really know
what it was but it must have been
something well what we would do had we
had an opportunity to cross-examine Mr
Gino is perhaps explain to him that
which he doesn't know which is the
following more than one web page can be
up and open on a on a cell phone at any
given time the court knows this
everybody who owns a cell phone knows
this you can have multiple Pages open
one page is sitting on top of the other
and then there are multiple Pages behind
it all those pages are still open and
potentially running in the program in
the
iPhone the
227 how long to die in cold search was
nanoseconds
milliseconds
before the oo uh Ozark basketball search
page came
up how did Apple cocoa core time relate
those two events those two artifacts on
the phone it happened like this at some
point she searched using her thumbs the
Apple iPhone
doesn't coordinate the Tim stamp for
when she's using your thumbs people type
faster people type slower it coordinates
when someone exits out of a search in
other words when you close that web page
she obviously Google searched how long
to die in cold we know that because we
found the search the deletion was not
the deletion of the search it was the
deletion of the page and as soon as that
page was deleted the other page behind
it Ozark basketball was immediately
populated and when I say immediately not
at the same time Nan behind it so we
know that she was Googling how long to
die in cold at minimum at minimum 3
hours before John O's body was ever
found this is not some anomaly it's not
a question it's not as their new expert
says unknown why the Google search uh
took place or the Tim stamp uh is what
it is at 22740 we actually know Rick
green knows his colleagues know and the
scientific Community knows who could
have searched that was there a party
goer who searched that in the house the
prosecution has been adamant that
Jennifer McCabe had that Google search
of how long to die in the cold because
she was directed to do so by Karen on
the morning that they found John and
that this search was not done at 2:27
a.m. but actually done just after 6:00
a.m. later on surveillance video from
The Ring camera that showed the driveway
of Jon's house and captured Karen
backing up her car was released so she's
pulling out in the black
SUV and that's the victim's SUV
parked and the defense says that she
makes contact hits the victim's SUV
right there damaging that back right
passenger side tail light and they also
claim you can see you know the victim's
SUV move indicating that there was a
collision and then as she pulls away
they say that you can tell there's
missing parts of the tail light C right
but it would have been missing if if it
if it was a result of striking uh
officer O'Keefe at that time also here's
a closer look at it uh once again as
we're we're backing up here keep your
eye and see if you see any movement here
from the other
car that's very possible very postion
doesn't say there's cont if the whole
case was how did the tail light get
broken you've got Reasonable Doubt right
thereon doubt yes you've got reason out
right there cuz you you can't tell but
it's very reasonable to think that at
that point you could have broken that
tail light okay wow as the defenses
claims started to circulate around the
internet some people who fully believed
the defense were said to have been
harassing the allegedly involved
individuals in this case and finally the
district attorney said enough is enough
and this needs to stop these claims are
absolutely
baseless this will be the first
statement of its kind in my Dozen Years
is not district
attorney the harassment of witnesses and
the murder prosecution of Karen Reed is
absolutely
baseless it should be an outrage to any
decent person and it needs to
stop innuendo is not evidence false
narratives are not
evidence however what evidence does show
is that John O'Keefe never entered the
home at 34 Fairview Road in Canton the
night he died
location data from his phone recovered
from the lawn beneath his body when he
was transported to the hospital shows
that this phone did not enter that
home 11 people have given statements
that they did not see John O'Keefe enter
the home at 34 fie that night zero
people have said that they saw him enter
the home zero no
one some have without any evidence
pointed to 18-year-old Colin Albert a
nephew of the homeowner and accused him
of attacking John O'Keefe as he entered
the home but phone evidence shows o'keef
never entered the home at
all testimony from Witnesses tell us
that 18-year-old Colin Albert had left
his uncle's home before John O'Keefe and
Karen Reed had arrived outside the
residence there was no fight inside that
home Jon o'keef did not enter the
home Colin Elbert the young man being
vilified was not present when Reed's
vehicle and John o'keef arrived on the
street this is a false
narrative Colin Albert didn't commit
murder Jennifer McCabe Matthew McCabe
and Brian Albert these people were not
part of a conspiracy and certainly did
not commit murder or any crime that
night they have been forthcoming with
authority providing statements and have
not engaged in any cover up they had not
suspects in any crime they are merely
Witnesses in the
case to have them accused of murder is
outrageous to have them harassed and
intimidated based on false narratives
and accusations is wrong they are
witnesses doing what our justice system
asked of
them the autopsy of John AEF was
conducted by a forensic pathologist from
the office of the chief medical examiner
the doctor found that the injuries that
left John helpless in the cold when not
a result of a fight she further found
that the line of abrasions on his arm
was consistent with blunt trauma not an
animal
attack a grand jury of everyday citizens
heard the documented evidence and
testimony before making a decision the
subject of that murder indictment enjoys
the Constitutional presumption of
innocence why should the witnesses who
have committed no crime be afforded less
by members of the community
they should not be harassed for telling
the government what they heard or
saw I'm asking the Canton Community and
everyone who feels invested in this case
to hear all the actual evidence at trial
before signing guilt to people who have
done nothing wrong and certainly before
taking it upon yourself to harass
citizens who evidence shows have done
nothing in this matter but come forward
and bear
witness we try people in the court and
not on the internet for a reason the
internet has no Rules of Evidence the
internet has no punishment for
perjury and the internet does not know
all the
facts conspiracy theories are not
evidence the idea that multiple Police
Department EMTs fire Personnel the
medical examiner and Prosecuting
agencies are join in or taken in by a
vast conspiracy should be seen for what
it is completely contrary to the
evidence and a desperate attempt to
reassign
guilt Michael Proctor the state police
Trooper being accused of planting
evidence outside 34 Fairview Road was
never at Fairview Road on the day of the
incident Proctor and his State Police
partner traveled together the entire day
while other officers were processing 34
Fair viiew Trooper Proctor was not there
and did not plant evidence at 34 Fair
viiew Road
in addition to having no opportunity to
plant the evidence as has been
suggested Proctor would have no motive
to do so troa proa had no close personal
relationship with any of the parties
involved in the investigation and had no
conflict and he had no reason to step
out of this investigation every
suggestion to the contrary is a
lie this should be seen for what it is
and not used as the pretext to attack
and harass
others what is happening to the
witnesses some with no actual
involvement in the case is
wrong it is contrary to the American
values of fairness and the
Constitutional value of a fair trial it
needs to stop
now now this is why the case has
everybody split on one hand you have a
snowplow driver who said he didn't see
Jon's body you have multiple people
leaving the Albert's home that night
after Karen left and also didn't see
Jon's body you have a missing dog
missing carpet that was cut out of the
basement you also have the Alberts who
sold their home on 34 Fairview you have
an alleged coverup by Trooper Proctor
and the Alberts you have other people
that drove dark colored SUVs you also
have the surveillance camera of what
some people believe shows Karen actually
breaking her tail light on John's SUV
when she was backing up in the driveway
you have Jennifer's Google SE Arch about
how long it takes to die in the cold and
then on the other hand you have Karen
and she's drinking heavily on camera at
least seven drinks you have surveillance
footage from different buildings in the
city that show a black SUV and Karen's
phone activity placing her there and
then all of the witness's testimony
about Karen's Behavior her admission of
saying that she was hammered and doesn't
remember going to the Albert's home you
have John's niece and nephew saying that
he wanted to break up with her you have
the voicemails and the text messages
between Jon and Karen and the fact that
Karen was talking about her tail light
being broken so much of this case has
been a media sensation because of how
many people outside the courthouse have
rallied to support Karen now one of
those people is a very confrontational
blogger named Aiden Carney he's also
known as turtle boy and I'm going to
refer to him as Turtle Boy even though I
want to call him by his name Aiden
however it's because all of these other
media Outlets call him turtle boy so for
the sake of not confusing you are
thinking like that there are two
different people down the road if you
begin following this case we're just
going to call him turtle boy but anyways
in October of 2023 he was charged with
multiple counts of intimidation of a
witness juror or law enforcement
official and a single count of
conspiracy he has denied all of these
accusations though and says that his
opinions are protected by free speech
and also that he's being singled out
since he's been extremely vocal and law
enforcement isn't happy about that later
on State Police ended up up seizing
Karen's phones because police believed
that she may be involved in this witness
intimidation conspiracy through her
Communications with turtle boy you were
locked up for a while how long were you
locked
up I did 60 days Vinnie 60 days all
right now you're here tonight so I've
been reporting on a lot of allegations
against you and about you so I want to
talk about some of those and have you
respond and and I want to begin with the
relationship between you and Karen Reed
what exactly uh this is about because in
an affidavit that was filed by the
Commonwealth they are alleging that um
you made 189 phone
calls um to Karen Reed and you spoke to
her in excess of 40 hours and then a
woman named Jane who I believe is your
ex stated that you run everything by
Karen Reed
before you post anything before you say
anything you run it by her and you two
are kind of In Cahoots together and the
two sources that they have uh that the
government is using Lindsay and Natalie
are two of the least credible people on
Earth and God forbid Vinnie that a
reporter an award-winning journalist
speak to the subject of his reporting on
the phone Karen andreed yes guilty is
charged according to the search warrant
to seize Karen's phone Karen allegedly
leaked information about the
investigation to turtle boy she did this
using her friend from college as the
middleman she would do this by sending
her friend a message in an encrypted
messaging app called signal then the
friend would copy and paste or forward
that message to turtle boy now some of
these leaks included a recorded 911 call
it's not the actual recorded dispatch
audio but it's a recording of Jennifer
McCabe on the phone with the police it's
really difficult to hear but in the
recording you can actually hear Karen
yelling in the background and she sounds
genuinely upset and shocked to find JN
there however other people claim that
you can hear Jennifer McCabe whispering
to her sister Nicole Albert to stay
inside the house if true I feel like
this would be pretty suspicious since a
lot of people have questioned how in the
world a body is found on the front lawn
of somebody's home and the home owners
don't even come outside to see what's
going on but more importantly the
defense asks an even bigger question
here why did the police never go inside
the house that day why was the
investigation always pointing to Karen
from the outset I'm going to be honest
personally the audio is too low quality
for me to hear any Whispering about
staying inside of the house and I've
listened to it multiple times but I'm
going to play it and you can tell me
what you think um yes I need someone
innow we the blanket I don't
see
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Carrie
I know I'm
on so as Karen's trial was getting
closer a massive bomb was dropped and
what happens next is truly wild but we
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all right guys so where was I let's jump
back into this case on December 5th 2023
Boston 25 News reported that the US
attorney's office was conducting an
investigation into Karen's arrest and
prosecution 25 investigates has learned
that the Nori County district attorney
Michael morsy sent a letter to the
Department of Justice those are the feds
folks okay so you've got the local
prosecutor sending a letter to the feds
requesting that the federal probe of the
Karen Reed case be transferred out of
Massachusetts so in the middle of of
trying to prosecute someone for
murder the feds are looking at the
people who investigated the case and
investigated Karen
Reed then during a hearing on January
18th 2024 one of Karen's defense
attorneys dropped another bombshell that
specifically the district attorney in
Karen's case da morisy is the target of
the investigation however the US
attorney's office said that they aren't
targeting anyone a few days later
several letters between the DA's office
and US attorney's office concerning
Karen Reed's case were unsealed some of
these letters from the DA's office asked
for the case to be transferred from the
Massachusetts us attorney's office which
was ultimately denied but what's crazy
is that that specific letter dated back
to August of
2023 but the communication about the
federal investigation began back in May
of
2023 which is absolutely insane because
there had been rumors and speculation
for months about a federal investigation
into the DA's office and into the state
police because of this case but the DA's
Office flat out denied it outright
saying it's not true but now we know
that they were in Communications with
the US attorney's office in regards to
this case they knew that there was an
investigation and they did not disclose
that to the defense and instead they
tried to hide the truth maybe they
thought that it would go away I don't
know but it's definitely not a good look
now because of this and the fact that
the da went on record to tell the public
and more so potential
that every single witness that has been
named suspicious in this case is 100%
not involved in any way that there is no
investigation into Trooper Michael
Proctor and all of those claims were
unfounded and then for this to come out
I mean it's clear that it's misconduct
by the prosecution and Karen's defense
wants the DA's office thrown off this
case in February of 2024 Karen's trial
was pushed back to April 16th this was
after the US attorney's office sent over
3,000 pages of documents ments about
their investigation into the case the
defense said that the new information
quote appears to be exculpatory while
the prosecution said it was quote about
90% consistent with what was already
known but nevertheless the trial was
postponed however before this happened
the defense tried to get the indictment
thrown out which was denied however what
some people say is damning evidence was
included in the prosecution's response
to the defense's motion the prosecution
highlighted the text messages that Karen
sent John and also the voicemail that
she left on the night that he died in
the voicemail she was allegedly
screaming and saying John I hate
you and she also called him a pervert
and accused him of cheating while on a
trip to Aruba and when John's niece and
nephew who lived with him were
interviewed they said that JN and Karen
bickered constantly that there was
always kind of this sense of just like
turmoil in the relationship and in the
filings it says something very
interesting about Karen the man in
question is Brian Higgins Who police
said was friends with Karen and John and
was with them at both bars where they
had been drinking the night that John
died and inside the house that Karen
allegedly dropped John off to prosecutor
said that Karen was involved in a quote
romantic inang lement with Brian and
that two weeks before Jon's death Brian
went to Jon's house to watch a football
game and Karen walked him out afterwards
and then allegedly kissed him they also
revealed that text messages between
Brian Brian and Karen quote acknowledged
the kiss and were romantic in nature
though Brian declined an invitation to
visit Karen at her house that's a direct
quote so basically the prosecution
believes that this all played into her
motive to kill Jon after a night of
heavy drinking well Karen's defense had
a very interesting response about Brian
in court they said that the federal
probe into the investigation includes
phone calls which they believe paint a
clear picture of a conspiracy to frame
Aon those phone calls were from Brian
Albert who owned the home where John's
body was found also Brian Higgins Kevin
Albert Brian Albert's brother and the
former Canton police chief Kenneth
burkowitz they also said that Brian
Higgins was asked about this by the
Federal grand jury looking into the case
and that he denied any phone calls with
Brian but then when he was pressed
further about it and was also told that
they have proof that they did call each
other at 2:22 a.m. on the night that
John died he said that they must must
have butt dialed each other now when he
was first confronted Brian Higgins first
tried to claim that it had to have been
a butt dial um that term butt dial is
used by many of the Commonwealth's
witnesses to explain the many calls
between them and among them and I I've
never seen a case where there have been
so many butt dials to be frank uh but Mr
Higgins was already locked in he already
testified his phone was on the bedside
table his butt was in the bed the phone
was in the table
the two could not have met your honor
there was no possibility of a butt dial
and then Higgins admitted that and that
wasn't Mr Higgins leaving Brian Albert a
voicemail he also admitted under oath
that the total records would have
reflected a voicemail if they went to
voicemail he admitted that to call Brian
Albert back he would have had to First
reach for his phone then unlock it with
the passcode or face ID then then he
would have to press on Brian Albert's
number and that is exactly what he did
and he testified that that was what he
did he also testified that nobody from
the Commonwealth not Trooper Proctor not
Ada La no one has ever asked him about
that phone call from Brian Alberts to to
Higgins or the the return phone call
from Higgins to Albert lasting 22
seconds rather than get everyone's phone
records as this court knows the
Commonwealth has fought the defense at
every turn in our Quest to get the phone
records they've persuaded this court
that we were previously on a fishing
expedition to the extent the court once
thought otherwise it is clear this is no
longer a fishing Expedition we do not
have to go fishing to wonder anymore
whether calls were made we now know that
someone who had been in that house when
John O'Keefe arrived called the
homeowner at 2:22 in the morning 3 and
1/2 hours before Jon o Keefe's body was
found on the homeowner's lawn we learned
that neither party to that call ever
revealed to police investigators or
prosecutors that they connected by phone
in those early morning hours just like
Jennifer mccab never revealed that at
around the same time she was Googling
asking how long it took for someone to
die in the cold a search that the FBI
confirms happened at 2:27 in the morning
again about 3 and 1 half hours before
John O'Keefe's body was found now for
his part Brian Albert also first tried
to claim that his phone call to Brian
Higgins at 2:22 in the morning was a
butt dial he said that he was awake and
watching
TV but he was called back to the grand
jury to testify a second time the second
time Brian Albert changed his testimony
to say that at 2:22 in the morning he
and his wife were in bed in an intimate
situation he claimed that he had his
phone with him in the bed
so now he's claiming that it was during
that intimate situation with his wife
that he supposedly but dialed Brian
Higgins he had no explanation however
for how his phone picked up when Higgins
called him back 17 seconds later he had
no explanation for the 22 second phone
conversation that followed and it's
worth noting that Higgins testified he
never heard any intimate noises on the
other end of the line either Brian Al
but tried to maintain that he butt
dialed
Higgins but again that would mean that
his butt also answered the phone when
Higgins called back and it doesn't make
any sense both men denied talking to
each other despite being confronted with
that mountain of evidence by federal
prosecutors now why was this important
I'll tell you why because that is 5
minutes before Jennifer mccabes disputed
227 a.m. Google search of quote how long
to die in cold uh guys that feels very
very coincidental to me I don't like to
be a conspiracy theorist at least not on
the reg and if I am one I try not to
like publicly State my opinions but to
accidentally butt dial somebody while
somebody's having sex at 2:22 a.m. in
the morning which how how is it in your
butt like if you're having sex how is it
in your butt able to I don't know but
then to also have a Google search
happening just a couple minutes later of
how long to die in the cold which why is
somebody Googling that anyway which I
will say this too there was a typo in
her search instead of H W it which was
hos but when you look on your keyboard
on your phone the S is right below the W
so I think it's pretty safe to say she
was trying to Google how long to die in
the cold but the first question there
obviously is why is somebody Googling
that in the middle of the night or like
in the early morning hours but also now
that coupled with the fact that it was
just a couple minutes after this call
that allegedly happened during a butt
dial which was they had tried to deny
entirely before they were basically
caught in their lie uh it just isn't
smelling right and something we always
say is you know where there's smoke
there is fire and how how many
coincidences can really happen until you
can't explain it away and this just
feels a little gross to me now most
recently two hearings in this case had
the mother of all Bombshells so let's go
through them one was the fact that an
Accident Reconstructionist hired by the
FBI found that Jon's injuries did not
appear to be from a car strike the
federal
investigators hired independent of us we
had no idea an independent of the
Commonwealth hired a professional
Reconstructionist three
phds to look into exactly this this
issue did Karen weed's car did her SUV
make contact with joh O'Keefe and their
conclusion to a person was his injuries
were inconsistent with the damage on the
car the in the damage on the car was
inconsistent with having been made
having made contact with John O'Keefe's
body in other words the car didn't hit
him and he wasn't hit by the car period
full stop that's their independent
expert not ours not somebody on our
payroll like Mr wiffin or one of their
experts or Trooper Gino who's an arm of
the agent
this is an independent federal
government witness or series of
witnesses who say
unequivocally that car did not hit joh
O'Keefe and John O'Keefe was not hit by
that car also the fact that Trooper
Proctor is under federal investigation
Massachusetts State Police confirming
the lead investigator in the Karen Reed
murder case Trooper Michael Proctor is
under investigation for a potential
violation of Department policy while
they're not commenting on what may have
sparked this internal investigation and
they say Proctor remains on active duty
we know it came to light just one day
after a bombshell Hearing in the case
against Reed Reed's attorney alleged
Proctor never fully disclosed his
personal relationship with multiple
people involved in the case that
includes the Albert family who lived at
the home on the property where O'Keefe's
body was found in fact just days prior
to O'Keefe's death Proctor had allegedly
asked the Alberts to babysit his child
Michael Proctor is so connected to the
Alberts that he was entrusting them or
willing to entrust the Alberts to be
Caregivers for his toddler child text
messages from three days after O'Keefe's
death also allegedly show the Albert's
offered to S Proctor a thank you gift
quote when this is all over so now we
have the lead investigator from Mass
Massachusetts State Police literally
discussing the exchange of gifts between
the Albert family on the one hand and
the Proctor family on the other hand as
a thank you their words for helping the
Alberts out of a jam criminal defense
attorney bner Bellis says with Proctor's
ethics being called into into question
the entire case will face additional
scrutiny 2 years later to the day on
February 1st 2024 now let's fast forward
2 years later now Michael Proctor finds
himself on the witness stand in front of
a Federal grand jury that grand jury was
tasked with a singular commission and
that was investigating crimes of public
corruption by law enforcement in
relation to this case and he admitted to
an a a USA under very intense
questioning that not only does he know
the Alberts and does he socialize with
him does he drink with them does he go
to pool parties with them but he told
his partner Yuri bunik all of this
before Yuri bunck testified at the Grand
Jury and before he and bunck actually
interviewed Chris Albert why does that
mean something why does that mean
something to the court and to this
argument because when Yuri bunck
testified before the state court grand
jury he testified that quote following
formal introductions in quote
Julie Albert and Chris Albert provided
their phone
numbers following formal introductions
that was a clear deceit on the grand
jurors Yuri bunck knew as did Michael
Proctor they didn't need formal
introductions Michael Proctor was
considering having Julie Albert babysit
his kid under additional intense
questioning by the assistant United
States Attorney Proctor was caught in
his own web of Deceit and testified as
follows quote
so this is the a USA talking are asking
the question so obviously we're asking
questions about your relationship with
Julie Albert with Chris Albert and with
Colin Albert do you understand that
answer yes sir question and you're
saying that you're minimizing quote
minimizing your relationship to the
grand jury correct answer yes he finally
under the scrutiny of a Federal grand
jury admitted that he had been lying
about his relationship to the Alberts
which means he lied to the grand jury
which means that evidence was distorted
in front of the grand jury Trier
Proctor's mother refers to the Albert
family as the Proctor's second family so
one might actually ask Mr morisy who's
actually lying in this case is it us we
just presented the court with factual
information that was procured off of
social media that can't it's
unassailable it cannot be assailed then
that the tail white fragment have three
sources of DNA including J there is uh
DNA report uh in relation to the tail
light of the defendant's vehicle uh
there are uh three possible contributors
to that DNA mixture one is uh positively
identified as that of the victim John
O'Keefe uh two others are unknown
there's been a rampant uh sort of
speculation uh accusations levied
against uh these particular Troopers in
regard to um contaminating evidence or
planting evidence and things of that
nature and that Jennifer McCabe was
photographed outside of Trooper
Proctor's house for a quote special
meeting that was never disclosed to the
police and this happened on September
25th 2023 we find out during the
pendency of this case on September 25th
2023 that one of those family members
Jennifer mccab who's the subject uh of
great interest in this case and a
primary person of interest in this case
is invited to Trooper Proctor's personal
home for some sort of offthe books
meeting do we know about this meeting
because Trooper Proctor upon learning
this that Jennifer mccab was coming to
his house ran back to the office and
filed a police report a supplemental
report explaining this meeting this off
the books meeting um no he never
disclosed it we found out about this
because a a concerned citizen happened
to photograph Jennifer McCabe's car
parked outside Michael and Elizabeth
Proctor's personal res
in the evening after
hours and the best that that Council for
uh Elizabeth Proctor can muster in terms
of an argument is to say well you know
what your honor maybe he wasn't
home maybe or maybe
not the suspicious part is Trooper
Proctor isn't
saying and there's nothing in Elizabeth
Proctor's motion to suggest that he
wasn't home certainly his car was there
Elizabeth Proctor's car was there and
Jennifer McCabe's car was there was
Trooper Proctor home I guess I would
answer that by answering by asking the
question does it matter if Trooper
Proctor was home they've now admitted
that Jennifer McCabe a central character
in the middle of this investigation in
the middle of this crime was secretly
meeting and or socializing with the lead
investigator and or his wife in the
living room of their home and that your
honor is a problem and it shows more
than a professional connection it shows
a personal connection and according to
the Proctor to uh the Proctor family's
own Council Elizabeth Proctor's Council
the subject matter of that meeting was
commiserating about this case they
weren't talking about sports they
weren't talking about the weather they
were meeting about this
case so how does that not show a bias
and how does that not implicate Karen
Reed's constitutional rights to this
information
and to this day the Commonwealth has yet
to concede what obviously is
now sort of front page news that there
is in fact a personal relationship
between the Proctors and their second
family the Albert mccab family all while
the prosecution has said that none of
these people knew each other none of
them socialized together and the entire
notion of a connection between the
Alberts the mccabes and Trooper Proctor
was not true in any way troa proa had no
close personal relationship with any of
the parties involved in the
investigation and had no conflict I mean
once again guys it's just not smelling
right so Karen's defense filed a motion
for the judge to dismiss the case again
but the judge denied their request and
as of right now the trial is scheduled
to move forward on April 16th 2024 so
what do you guys think about this case
and I'm actually going to put a poll
over on Spotify so if you're listening
to this on Spotify go answer there
otherwise let me know in the review
section over on Apple podcast but do you
believe that Karen is guilty of hitting
Jon on purpose do you think that it was
an accident do you think that she
purposely left him for dead in the snow
then after accidentally hitting him or
do you believe the defense do you think
that the Google search is a Smoking Gun
or better yet when was the last time
somebody who was accused of murdering a
police officer had crowds of people
cheering in support of them being
innocent outside of a courthouse I mean
the only time we really see things like
that is when it's a celebrity on trial
but the fact that she's on trial for
murder and murder of a police officer no
less and she has so many supporters
outside of the courthouse for every
single court appearance I don't know
does that indicate something this case
is just insane all right guys and don't
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guys thank you again so so much and
until the next one be nice don't kill
people all right guys thank you take
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