Is a $25,000 Electric Car Even Possible?
Summary
TLDRThe video script discusses the feasibility of a $25,000 brand new electric car that's affordable for the masses. It highlights the challenges, especially the cost of batteries, which are the most expensive part of electric vehicles. The script reviews current options like the Tesla Model 3 and the Fiat 500e, noting their price points and features. It raises questions about whether it's possible to reduce costs further without compromising range and quality, suggesting that while the dream of an affordable EV for everyone is aspirational, the economic realities and technological advancements may shift what that price point looks like in the future.
Takeaways
- 🚗 The dream of an affordable $25,000 brand new electric car for the masses is a topic of discussion and speculation.
- 🔋 Batteries are the most expensive component of electric cars, and reducing their cost is key to achieving lower vehicle prices.
- 🚘 The Tesla Model 3 is considered the benchmark for the cheapest good electric car, with over 300 miles of range starting under $40,000.
- 📉 As car prices decrease, options like the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, and Kona are mentioned, but they come with reduced range and features.
- 🚕 The Fiat 500e is highlighted as an example, starting at $32,000 with 140 miles of range, and it showcases the challenges of cost reduction.
- 🛠️ Reducing costs typically involves using cheaper materials and smaller components, which can impact the car's quality and performance.
- 💺 The Fiat 500e is noted for its compact size but surprisingly spacious interior, though the back seat is not ideal for adults.
- 🔑 Features like wireless charging and physical buttons for controls are mentioned as benefits of a more basic car interior.
- 🛂 The car's affordability and practicality are questioned, especially when considering the need to further reduce costs to meet the $25,000 target.
- 💭 The presenter expresses doubt about the feasibility of a $25,000 electric car with good range due to current economic and technological constraints.
- 🌐 The discussion invites viewers to share their thoughts on whether a $25,000 brand new electric car will ever become a reality.
Q & A
What is the main concern of the speaker regarding electric cars?
-The speaker is concerned about the possibility of ever achieving an affordable electric car for the masses, specifically one that costs $25,000 brand new with a good range.
What is the current price range for electric cars mentioned in the script?
-The script mentions electric cars starting from just under $40,000, such as the Hyundai Ioniq 6, down to the Fiat 500e starting at $32,000, and even lower with the Mini Cooper SE and other models like the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt.
What is the significance of the Tesla Model 3 in the context of this discussion?
-The Tesla Model 3 is mentioned as a benchmark for the cheapest good electric car, offering over 300 miles of range and setting a subjective standard for affordability and quality.
What are the economic challenges faced when trying to produce a cheaper electric car?
-The economic challenges include the high cost of batteries, which are the most expensive part of an electric car, and the need to use cheaper materials and reduce features to lower the price.
What is the range of the Fiat 500e mentioned in the script?
-The Fiat 500e has a range of approximately 140 miles.
What are some of the features of the Fiat 500e that indicate it is a compact car?
-The Fiat 500e features a compact design, with a two-door body style, a small back seat that is not ideal for adults, and a modest trunk space.
How does the speaker describe the interior of the Fiat 500e?
-The interior of the Fiat 500e is described as having a lot of plastic and fabric, with fewer screens and computer features compared to more expensive cars, giving it a cheaper feel despite its price.
What is the speaker's opinion on the design of the Fiat 500e?
-The speaker appreciates the design of the Fiat 500e, mentioning that they like the look of the car, including its red color and the design details that make it feel special.
What is the main question the speaker poses regarding the future of affordable electric cars?
-The main question posed by the speaker is whether it is possible to ever produce a brand new electric car for $25,000 that offers good range and quality, considering current economic and technological constraints.
What is the speaker's final thought on the $25,000 electric car dream?
-The speaker expresses skepticism about the feasibility of the $25,000 electric car dream, suggesting that while it may eventually be possible, the definition of an affordable price tag may gradually increase over time due to inflation and other factors.
Outlines
🚗 The Quest for an Affordable Electric Car
The script discusses the dream of an affordable electric vehicle (EV) for the masses, priced at $25,000, and questions whether this is achievable. It highlights that batteries are the most expensive component of EVs, and reducing their cost is key to lowering the overall price. The script mentions the Tesla Model 3 as a benchmark for the cheapest good electric car, with a range of over 300 miles for under $40,000. It also points out that as prices decrease, the range and features of EVs like the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, and Mini Cooper SE also decrease. The Fiat 500e is introduced as an example, starting at $32,000 with a 140-mile range, and the presenter ponders the economic and physical limitations that might prevent a $25,000 EV with good range from becoming a reality.
🔍 A Closer Look at the Fiat 500e and the Challenge of Cost Reduction
This paragraph delves deeper into the Fiat 500e, a compact electric car with a starting price of $32,000, featuring a 140-mile range. The presenter critiques the interior, noting the use of cheaper materials and the lack of advanced technology such as CarPlay or Android Auto. The car's practicality is highlighted, with a spacious driver's seat, a compact back seat suitable for children, and a decent trunk space. The discussion then turns to the challenge of reducing the car's price to $25,000, speculating on potential sacrifices such as smaller size, fewer features, reduced materials quality, and a smaller battery, which would also reduce the range. The presenter expresses skepticism about the feasibility of a $25,000 EV with a satisfactory range due to current economic and technological constraints, and invites viewers to share their thoughts on the matter.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Electric car
💡Affordability
💡Battery cost
💡Economic physics
💡Fiat 500e
💡Range
💡Compact
💡Interior quality
💡Inflation
💡Sustainable electric cars
Highlights
The dream of an affordable $25,000 brand new electric car for the masses is discussed.
Batteries are identified as the most expensive part of electric cars, affecting cost reduction.
Tesla Model 3 is considered the benchmark for the cheapest good electric car with over 300 miles of range under $40,000.
Lower-priced electric cars like the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt are mentioned, with diminishing range as prices decrease.
The Fiat 500e is introduced as an example, starting at $32,000 with 140 miles of range.
Economic physics and inflation are discussed as barriers to achieving the $25,000 price point for new EVs.
The Fiat 500e's exterior design is praised, drawing comparisons to the Mini.
The compact size of affordable electric cars is highlighted, with the Fiat 500e as an example.
The interior of the Fiat 500e is criticized for its use of cheaper materials despite its price.
Lack of modern features like CarPlay and Android Auto in the Fiat 500e is noted.
The Fiat 500e's spaciousness despite its compact size is mentioned.
The challenge of reducing the Fiat 500e's price to $25,000 without compromising quality is discussed.
The possibility of a smaller battery leading to reduced range to achieve a lower price point is considered.
The presenter expresses skepticism about the feasibility of a $25,000 electric car with good range.
The presenter recalls an interview with Elon Musk about the possibility of a cheap $25,000 car a decade ago.
The presenter invites viewers to share their thoughts on whether a $25,000 electric car will ever exist.
Transcripts
okay so I feel like electric car fans
have been very patiently waiting for
this dream of the
$25,000 brand new electric car like the
affordable for the masses EV that
everyone can finally get without even
thinking
twice and the more I thought about it
and the more options that I've seen as
we get lower and lower in prices over
time The more I've started to wonder if
this is even possible and there's a
bunch of math behind why I've been
wondering this first of all batteries
are the most expensive part of any
electric car and so if you want to shave
cost you shave battery but also let's
look at what's currently out there right
if you if you ask people about this this
dream mythical $25,000 car I think a lot
of them talk about it as like Tesla
Model 2 like a smaller compact version
of model 3 the model 3 right now feels
like to me that is the bar for the
cheapest good electric car and I that's
obviously very subjective but I mean
like 300 plus miles of range and under
$40,000 let's say this is all new cars
by the way I know you can get a used EV
for less but what about underneath that
price like I think ionic 6 would qualify
that's also like starting just under
$40,000 but then as you keep going lower
and lower you get to like the Nissan
Leaf the Chevy bolt you get to the konas
and the I I tested the Mini Cooper SE I
didn't do a video on it but that you
know that car has 100 miles of range
basically and it's it's just once you go
way way down in price you start to run
up against just pure economic physics
and here's another version of it this is
a car I've been testing for about a week
now this is the Fiat 500e this car
starts at
$32,000 starting and it's a new EV and
it's got about 140 M of range and uh you
can tell it's a pretty comp car and
we'll get into the specifics of this car
in a second but I see cars like this now
and I'm like wait a second not to be
pessimistic but like with eventual
inflation and with all the things we're
trying to do with good EVS maybe we'll
just never see a
$25,000 new EV with good range maybe
we'll see one with 100 200 miles of
range but let's look at this car as my
example this is $2,000 now again purely
subjective I actually love the look of
this car and I I don't think it's just
because it's red I really think this is
a good-looking car so you got the 500
logo on the front you got this little
Grill here down at the bottom these
little headlights this kind of has mini
looks up at the front but as you get to
the side it's clearly compact right and
we know that this Baseline cheap
electric car is going to have to be
compact so this is a twodo and to be
honest the driver's seat very spacious I
just wouldn't wish this back seat on
anyone uh we get to the back here this
is where you charge the thing pop that
open you can see it's a CCS Port it's
not nacs but again it's a Fiat so
there's the back of the
500e and here look there's there's trunk
space check this
out that's a trunk that's a real trunk
behind the back seats there that's not a
joke of a junk that's actually storage
space so you're going to have to nail
the fundamentals just to have a car that
people are willing to buy in general and
uh it's fundamentally more spacious than
you'd think but the thing about trying
to minimize costs on a car in general is
you have to use cheaper materials even
if you build it really well inside and
out to minimize cost you have to use
cheap materials right off the bat
smaller Wheels but let's get inside this
car real quick I'll show you what it
looks like inside a $32,000 car even
though it's got the interior of
something that might cost even less I
almost made this video about about the
Kia Nero I had the the Kia Nero also for
a couple weeks and I was going to call
it something like the problem with cheap
electric cars is because the interior
feels like something cheaper because
it's sitting on top of an expensive
battery that bumps the base price up so
you've gone through all the work of
minimizing the cost of price in this car
and here's what you end up with right
okay this is the Fiat this is the
steering wheel by the way power button
totally fine when you minimize cost in a
car you tend to minimize computers and
screens so you've got this one screen in
the middle here there's no carplay
there's no Android auto you get this
screen back here behind the steering
wheel also pretty small kind of feels
like the mini and then everywhere else
it's like all right there's fabric up
here there's plastic All Around Here
There is a good amount of space in
storage and even a little cup holder
that pops down here which I think is a
nice clever use of space but in general
it's it's felt it's fabric not really a
whole lot and this Dash here I mean the
red is nice because it matches the
outside of the car and I like the design
of it but again it's it's plastic you're
sitting in a a lot of plastic for a
$32,000 car now funny enough one of the
upsides of this car is you do have a lot
more of these buttons because there's
less happening on the computer computer
still does a good amount of stuff you
can connect your phone to it it'll show
you your consumption and there's no one
pedal driving but when you hit the
brakes you can see how much regen you're
getting on that little dial right there
but there's also so like a bunch of
regular AC buttons there is a wireless
charging pad for your phone right there
one usba a port and then of course you
can lock the car and hit your hazards
those are all regular buttons I've also
noticed there is no mirror here I
actually don't think that's that big of
a cost there's there's a regular mirror
over here and none there but okay then
you want to get into the back seat so
let's explore that let's get let's I'm
going to do this for you guys I'm going
to get into the back seat of the Fiat
500 e yes it's still on it gets annoyed
when I get out even though I haven't hit
the power button okay pop this back
here I do this for the videos okay so
this is the 63 driving position that I
just described
and this is my current leg room
situation matter of fact I could
probably spread out across the back seat
sideways like this um but it's not ideal
I have also sat in the back seat of my
own Porsche 911 once just to say I did
it and uh it was a lot like this this
was a tiny bit more room but this isn't
made to have a bunch of people in the
back seats there's no screen back here
no ports back here no footwell room this
is just uh it exists for maybe some kids
once in a while so if you end up with
this car that I just showed you for
$32,000 how do you go about making this
car even cheaper to get it down to
$225,000 I mean it's already it's
already this sorry I I didn't hit the
power button I I do get annoyed by that
personally but yeah okay fine there you
go how do you make this car $25,000
that's my question do you make it even
smaller do you make it a total twood
door and ignore the back seats
completely do you remove even more
things do you take out even more
materials
do you do you make the wheels even
smaller do you make the battery even
smaller because again as of right now
it's not the most powerful car in the
world but it's it's got the electric
torque it's Zippy it'll get you 0 to 60
in like 7 seconds it's fine it's even
got these little design details from
Fiat that make it feel special it's it's
a solid car but you got to get
$7,000 off of this price you really got
to cut a lot and as of right now battery
being the most expensive thing this car
currently has a pretty small battery
that gets at 140 Mi of range so you're
going to dramatically cut into the 140
mies of range so I feel like you get
where I'm going with this I wonder if
the
$25,000 electric car dream is even
possible I mean obviously right now it
doesn't exist so we could argue it's
impossible right now but will it ever
exist will we ever get batteries that
are so good and so battery energy dense
and so cheap that we can sell cars for
$25,000 and will we get there before
inflation means we don't have that as
the price I don't know I tend to think
that yes we will eventually get to the
goal of sustainable electric cars for
everyone but I think the bar for what
that price tag is is just going to
slowly creep up over time and I do
remember like that first interview that
I did with Elon on video where I asked
about the the grandm plan and eventually
getting to a cheap $25,000 car and that
must have been about a decade ago and
that seemed realistic 25,000 at the time
but I don't know I'm super curious what
you guys think and I'll listen in the
comments and talk to you guys I'm sure
you all know much more than me about
this stuff but what do you think will we
ever get a
$25,000 electric car for brand new
thanks for watching catch you in the
next one peace
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