Joe Rogan RIPS Israel 'Genocide', Candace Owens Firing
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the evolving public opinion on the conflict between Israel and Gaza, highlighting the shift in perspectives among various political figures and the general public. It emphasizes the impact of recent events and drone footage on people's views, leading to a growing disapproval of the military actions. The conversation also touches on the historical context and the irony of a nation founded in the aftermath of the Holocaust engaging in actions that some compare to genocide. The summary underscores the significance of these changing opinions and their potential implications for political discourse and policy.
Takeaways
- π’ The podcast host discusses the evolving perceptions of the conflict, noting that views range from extreme to mainstream.
- π There is a reference to the international response, including the International Criminal Court and a UN report, suggesting plausible grounds for genocide.
- π£οΈ Several influential figures, including Joe Rogan, AOC, and Alex Jones, have expressed strong opinions on the situation.
- π₯ Joe Rogan's comments on his podcast suggest a critical view of the conflict, drawing parallels to historical events such as the Holocaust.
- π¨ The podcast highlights the impact of drone footage showing civilian casualties, which has influenced public opinion and notable figures' commentary.
- π‘ The discussion touches on the irony of a nation founded in the aftermath of the Holocaust engaging in actions that some compare to genocide.
- π€ The podcast host questions the preparedness of global leaders for the public's reaction to the conflict, particularly in the context of new forms of warfare.
- π Polling data indicates a shift in American public opinion, with a majority now disapproving of Israeli military action in Gaza.
- π The partisan breakdown of the polling data shows a significant change in approval rates among Republicans, Independents, and Democrats.
- π ββοΈ The script mentions a pushback against speech policing, with some conservatives objecting to the banning of certain types of speech on university campuses.
- π The conflict and its coverage are presented as a potential blind spot for the public, with the current reaction being different from previous conflicts involving Gaza and Israel.
Q & A
What is the main topic of discussion in the transcript?
-The main topic of discussion in the transcript is the conflict involving Gaza, the varying perspectives on it, and the public's reaction to the recent events, including drone strikes on unarmed civilians.
Who are some of the individuals mentioned in the transcript as having commented on the conflict?
-Some of the individuals mentioned include Joe Rogan, Candace Owens, AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez), Ben Shapiro, and Alex Jones.
What does the transcript suggest about the public's changing perception of the conflict?
-The transcript suggests that the public's perception of the conflict is shifting, with a growing number of people disapproving of the military actions in Gaza, as evidenced by the change in polling numbers.
What is the significance of the drone footage mentioned in the transcript?
-The drone footage is significant because it shows the striking and killing of unarmed civilians, which has contributed to the shift in public opinion and the perception of the conflict as a potential genocide.
How does the transcript address the issue of genocide in relation to the conflict?
-The transcript discusses the term 'genocide' in relation to the conflict by referencing various opinions, international reports, and legal definitions, and by drawing parallels with historical events such as the Holocaust.
What is the historical context provided in the transcript regarding the founding of Israel?
-The transcript mentions that modern Israel was founded in 1948, following the aftermath of World War II and the Holocaust, with the intention of establishing a Jewish state as a response to the persecution Jews faced.
What is the 'Dresden' reference in the transcript, and how does it relate to the conflict?
-The reference to 'Dresden' is a comparison made to the bombing of the city during World War II, highlighting the devastation seen in Gaza and the asymmetry of the conflict, where high-tech weaponry is used against unarmed civilians.
What is the significance of the shift in Republican, Independent, and Democratic views as presented in the transcript?
-The shift in views across different political affiliations indicates a broader and more bipartisan disapproval of the military actions in Gaza, suggesting a significant change in public sentiment towards the conflict.
How does the transcript discuss the role of social media and influential figures in shaping public opinion?
-The transcript discusses the role of social media and influential figures like Joe Rogan and Alex Jones in shaping public opinion by highlighting their comments and the impact of their platforms on the discourse surrounding the conflict.
What is the connection made between historical events and current actions in the transcript?
-The transcript draws a connection between the Holocaust, the founding of Israel, and current actions in the conflict, discussing the irony and tragedy of a state born out of persecution engaging in actions that mirror the horrors it sought to escape.
What is the overall message conveyed by the transcript regarding the conflict and public reaction?
-The overall message conveyed is that the conflict, particularly the use of drone strikes on unarmed civilians, has led to a significant shift in public opinion, with many viewing the actions as excessive and akin to genocide, and that this reaction was perhaps underestimated by political leaders.
Outlines
π€ Public Opinion on the Conflict
This paragraph discusses the varying perspectives on the ongoing conflict, highlighting the views of college students, Joe Biden voters, the international criminal court of justice, and UN reports. It also mentions the opinions of influential figures like Alex Jones, Candace Owens, AOC, and Joe Rogan. The focus is on the evolving narrative around the conflict, with a particular emphasis on the term 'genocide' and the reactions it has garnered. The paragraph delves into the complexity of the situation, with references to historical events like the Holocaust and the founding of Israel, and the implications of these on current attitudes and reactions.
π Historical Context and Irony
The second paragraph provides a historical context to the conflict, referencing the Holocaust and the establishment of modern Israel in 1948. It discusses the international consensus on the definition of genocide post-WWII and the implications of these definitions on the current conflict. The paragraph also touches on the reactions of Israeli leaders and the public to perceived threats, and the resulting actions in Gaza. It highlights the irony of a nation born out of the ashes of the Holocaust potentially repeating some of the same patterns of behavior, and the psychological and political complexities this entails.
π Shifts in Public Approval and Partisan Divide
This paragraph presents polling data that illustrates shifts in public opinion regarding the conflict, particularly in the aftermath of October 7th. It shows a decline in approval for Israeli military action in Gaza and an increase in disapproval. The paragraph also discusses the partisan breakdown of these opinions, noting significant changes among Republicans, Independents, and Democrats. It reflects on the public's reaction to the conflict compared to previous instances and suggests that the current situation is being perceived and reacted to differently by the public, indicating a potential blind spot in the understanding of these dynamics.
Mindmap
Keywords
π‘genocide
π‘international criminal court of justice
π‘UN report
π‘Alex Jones
π‘Candace Owens
π‘AOC
π‘Hamas
π‘Drone strikes
π‘Holocaust
π‘public opinion
π‘Israeli military action
π‘Zionism
Highlights
Discussion on the evolving views of college students and mainstream society on the current conflict, with various public figures and institutions expressing their opinions.
Mention of the international criminal court of justice considering the situation as plausible for genocide.
The new UN report stating there are reasonable grounds to believe in the occurrence of genocide.
Alex Jones, Candace Owens, and AOC expressing their views on the situation, adding to the growing list of voices.
Joe Rogan's podcast comments on the conflict, highlighting his perspective on the tragedy of war.
Rogan's critique of the drone strikes on unarmed civilians and the implications of such actions.
The irony of a country founded in 1948, after the Holocaust, potentially repeating some of the same ideologies.
The public reaction to the drone footage and the shift in perception regarding the conflict.
The comparison of the current conflict to historical events like Dresden and the introduction of new types of warfare.
Rogan's commentary on the founding of Israel and its response to threats, including the destruction of Gaza.
The mention of polling data showing a shift in American public opinion on Israeli military action in Gaza.
The partisan breakdown of the polling data, indicating a significant change in Republican, Independent, and Democratic views.
The increase in the number of people who are unsure or disengaging from the discourse on the conflict.
The discussion on the public's reaction to conflicts, particularly how this conflict is being perceived differently.
The mention of Chris Rufo's reaction to Greg Abbott's instruction on banning anti-semitic speech in Texas universities.
The exploration of the psychological pattern of victims of abuse becoming abusers, as related to the conflict.
Joe Rogan's acknowledgment of Hamas and Islamic extremism as genocidal towards Jews, showing his balanced view.
The call for an independent media organization as a replacement for mainstream media, emphasizing the importance of public opinion and discourse.
Transcripts
Let's uh transition into uh what Mr
Rogan is thinking about this conflict
because you know to the point of whether
the views of these college students are
extreme or mainstream at this point when
you have a majority of Joe Biden voters
saying this is a genocide when you have
the international criminal uh court of
justice uh saying that's plausible when
you have a new UN report saying there's
reasonable grounds to believe and now
you can add oh you have Alex Jones
saying it's a genes I believe Candace
Owens has said similar things AOC has
now come out and said the same you can
add to that uh growing list of voices
Joe Rogan who made some very interesting
comments on his podcast let's take a
listen even in the right like look
what's going on with Candace Owens and
Ben
Shapiro like what did she say I want to
know what was what she was fired for CU
was it criticism of Israel was it I mean
did she show that Edward Snowden video
that he put up on Twitter that shows
them maybe drone bombing those kids that
are those men I should say unarmed
people that were walking toward W the
rubble that clearly weren't causing any
danger to anybody just bomb them yeah no
it's your duty it's just like for Biden
or whoever you like you're supposed to
cover up for them because the whole
thing is like they're always saying
they're only targeting Hamas and
everybody else is a casualty well if
those guys are just unarmed civilians
and they're walking alone that's what
they appear to be dresen and you just
blast them from the sky with robots this
is the tragedy of War yeah this is
insane and no no one knows what to think
now because if you can't talk about that
if you can't say that's real then you're
saying that genocide is okay as long as
we're doing it and that is what we're
saying and if you're saying that from a
perspective of someone who literally
went through the Holocaust or your your
people your tribe went through the
[Β __Β ] Holocaust and now you're willing
to do it I hope the irony is not lost on
you it's so nuts it's so hard to imagine
that someone where a c a culture like a
country was like officially founded in
what 47 48 48 okay officially founded so
that's so
recent and you and you guys are willing
to do what was done to you that led you
to believe that you needed to start your
own country you're willing to do that at
least in a small scale in Gaza like
there's nothing left if you see the
videos let's let's see some recent
footage of Gaza so some really pointed
uh the Atlantic would say those comments
extremist um GRE Greg Abbott would say
anti-semitic there you go many and
apparently Matt Miller would as well
talk about that also in my uh in my
monologue but I mean he really he really
goes in apparently that video that aler
obtained the Drone footage of them
striking and killing these four unarmed
civilians who were just walking along in
conun I mean it's it's horrible to watch
we played just a little bit of it um but
if you do watch the whole thing you know
you see the initial drone strike you see
one of them at least like
crawling after being hit initially
wounded and then hit again and all of
them killed and you know you can't but
Hamas that you can't oh human shield
that it's just so naked and I think one
of the things that people have reacted
to so strongly because I've been
wrapping trying to wrap my head Emily
around why this video this seems to have
been the thing for Alex Jones that's
what he quote tweeted it seems to have
been you know the thing for for Joe
Rogan and just judging by the the tenor
of the commentary and the Shi you know
AOC then comes out shortly thereafter
also caus it a genocide I've been trying
to wrap my head around what it was about
this video because we've seen so many
Horrors play out in front of our eyes
and I think it's the fact that all the
typical justifications are null you
can't like I said you can't but Hamas it
you can't there's a tunnel there you
can't um you know it's anti-semitic to
say this all the normal justifications
are they're not human Shields are kind
of null and void and then there
something so nightmarish and terrifying
um Alex Jones called a robotic Mass
genocide I believe about the fact that
they're walking along totally unawares
and then out of the sky boom it's over
and also the the David and Goliath
nature of that I mean they're unarmed
they have nothing right and everything
around them in the video too is complete
Rubble as as Rogan is saying right there
look at Goda there's nothing left um his
guest there says it's like Dresden
they're completely unarm armed they're
completely vulnerable and meanwhile
Israel has this you know incredibly
Hightech killing technology and that's
what they're up against and there's
something about that video that marked a
real turning point for the way a lot of
people were viewing this conflict so Al
Jones apparently has also been calling
Rabbi schie the butt plug Rabbi they had
a
debate he did yes he did okay good uh
interesting enough well the Rogan clip
to me is is fascinating because he he
goes back and says listen this is really
recent history like the Holocaust is is
really recent history in the living
memory of many people and the founding
of modern Israel comes in uh 1948 and
what also happens there is and R I
talked about this a little bit yesterday
but the uh the the new definitions or
the formal uh International agreement on
what the definition of genocide is
because basically the UN comes together
after World War II and says we need to
prevent you know Dresden we need to
prevent the Holocaust we need to you
know all of that and that living memory
is also why uh you know you see
Netanyahu and other leaders in Israel
and even by the way some
well-intentioned
liberal Israelis um feel the need to
turn Gaza into a quote parking lot
because those threats remain you know so
ingrained in the minds and that's what
is reacting to it and saying it's
strange it's a it's a strange like
dissonance between you know saying we
want to prevent another Holocaust and
then seeing uh the the destruction of
Gaza and calling for the destruction of
Gaza calling for it in the name of
stopping another Holocaust to be turned
into a parking lot and I understand you
know why that's why that hits home with
people like Joe Rogan I completely
understand the perspective of uh being
grossed out by the Drone attacks and
sort of like it it is this is a
different kind like since we have since
World War II this is a a new kind of
conflict um and and I don't think the
netanyahu's and the Joe bidens of the
world were prepared for how the public
was going to react to it it's similar to
other conflicts like high like Urban
Warfare um but Syria other places but
it's it's different uh it's it's
completely different and I think they
underestimated where the public would be
uh when watching this because I mean
yeah it's it's just these videos are are
tough yeah um you know it is sort of um
there are quotes from the the early
Zionist and I think it's very much
Illustrated in not just the Israeli
response here but in you know Wars since
their founding basically this notion of
because of the horrors that they were
subjected to and this idea that they're
quote unquote in a tough neighborhood
part of why they go in with
such overwhelming you know force and
commit these Horrors and war crimes and
you know totally annihilate all of Gaza
is this idea of oh we have to
demonstrate that actually we're the
biggest [Β __Β ] that we are just as
tough tougher and batter than anyone
else and they'll they talk openly about
you know restoring deterrence and that's
code for basically what I said we need
to put on display that we can be the
brutal barbarians just as much as anyone
else and so you know it is a deep horror
and deep irony that the the people who
you know suffered through the Holocaust
and you know the state that is founded
out of you know the ashes of World War
II and the Holocaust that then would
turn around and repeat some of the same
ideology some of you know Jo Rogan calls
it like on a small scale and obviously
the death count isn't approaching and
what the Holocaust is but it is there is
a similar like uh Quest towards
Annihilation there is a similar uh I
mean there's a Jewish supremacist
ideology here so I think his comments
are entirely appropriate in another way
it's not it shouldn't be surprising
because you see this on a human level
too people who were victims of abuse and
then they turn around and become the
abusers I mean that is a common pattern
that plays out psychologically right in
uh in human life so obviously you know
know for for Rogan who's kind of like
you know litus test from Normie opinion
you know is not a particular idog in any
direction to have come to this
conclusion and again like that it was
this video that seems to have led him
there I just I found that very
interesting very know worthy and
obviously he's very influential very
impactful so in and of itself it matters
a lot but I was going to say just
another kind of wakeup call probably for
Biden n Yahoo and you people like Ted
Cruz who sat and respectfully talked to
us about this would be that Joe Rogan
also isn't going to deny that Hamas and
uh like actual Islamic extremism isn't
genocidal towards Jews it of course is
and he's not going to he's he's not the
kind of person that's going to like make
the Judith Butler argument about Hamas
being a resistance organ a part of the
global resistance whatever he's not that
kind of person he's he's nor like you
said CHR he's has Normy opinion on all
of this uh and so that's where this
becomes uh and even I'm going to mention
this Chris rufo reacted to I I made a
little joke about Greg Abbott earlier in
this segment that's because Greg Abbott
instructed universities in Texas to
update their speech policies to ban
anti-semitic speech and Chris rufo uh
obviously a conservative obviously
pro-israel and other kind of
conservatives on the new right like
Sager and people like myself uh who have
objected to the new speech policing
since October 7th and on the grounds
that it's it's sort of hypocritical from
people like both wrong and hypocritical
from people like Greg Abbott Chris ruo
reacted and said what's the difference
between you know this and banning quote
anti-black speech or anti-white speech
um it's it's not how we do things in
this country and that has been again
wildly underestimated by people like
Greg Abbott who probably had no idea or
had no nobody in his circles was like
you're going to you're going to upset
people uh like a Chris rufo um or like
others in those circles that take issue
with this they just they don't have
awareness that it really wrangles people
because it's a bubble yeah that it is a
bubble all the way around and we have
some polling that shows you also the the
public shift that I think speaks to some
of the points that you're making here so
these are the overall numbers and you
can see the difference between November
2023 so we're talking about shortly
after October 7th versus now in November
a majority 50% of Americans approved of
Israeli military action in Gaza versus
45 % who disapprove so it's pretty
closely split but you got a majority in
favor now totally different only 36%
approve
55% disapprove it's interesting to me in
these polls um the no opinion number
actually goes up in all of these polls
I'm about to show you just kind of that
as the conflict has gone on there are
more people who are moving from that
approval to just like I don't know I
don't have an opinion I don't want to
talk about this anymore which you see
some in the discourse online where
people who were previously like staunch
Defenders have just kind of gone quiet
um I think we have additional polling we
can put up don't we guys that has the uh
the partisan breakdown here because the
way that Democrats have uh have moved
has been interesting so here we've got
an indication of how closely people have
been paying to the conflict and um what
their views are based on whether they
say they're following very closely or
not those who are following very closely
55% disapprove those who are following
somewhat closely 56% disapprove those
who are not following closely
54% um disapprove the numbers in terms
of approve are highest among those who
are following very closely so there's a
bit of an indication here it's not like
a huge shift depending on uh the biggest
difference you see is just the number of
people who are offering no opinion and
then put the next one up on the screen
guys the this is the the partisan
breakdown that I was mentioning so we'll
start with the Republicans relevant to
the Chris rufo and Texas discussion so
back in November 71% of Republicans say
yes I approve of this military action
only 23% say no I do not now both of
those numbers have shifted 64% say they
approve that's still a large number but
30% is a significant minority who now
say they disapprove yes um Independence
big movement here so it was split
basically 50/50 47 approved 48
disapproved now you only have 29% of
Independents who approve 60% disapprove
and and the Democratic numbers are just
overwhelming so you've always had a
majority of Democrats who disapproved
now that number has shot up to
75% and only
18% say that they approve and once again
you have an increase in the number who
are like no opinion count me out I don't
want to talk about this let's just move
on which I did find noteworthy given
that you would think that as the
conflict goes on more people form an
opinion but it actually has been the
opposite here I I read into that people
who previously were on the approved side
that are not like I don't know I'm just
going to say no opinion yeah I think
that's right um but this is a huge blind
spot this isn't the same the public is
not reacting to this in the same way
that the public has reacted to other
conflicts frankly in Gaza and in Israel
it's is just completely different this
time around and people were unprepared
for that yeah absolutely hey guys if you
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