"I Don’t Need Your Pity!" Rahma Zein vs Mosab Hassan Yousef
Summary
TLDRThe video script presents a heated debate on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, focusing on the recent escalation of violence and the international response. The discussion involves an Egyptian podcaster, Ramama Zay, and Masab Hassan Yusf, the son of a Hamas founder and a former Palestinian militant. They tackle the complexity of the situation, with Zay emphasizing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the need to hold perpetrators accountable, while Yusf argues for Israel's right to security against Hamas, which he views as a terrorist organization. The conversation touches on the impact of the conflict on civilians, the role of the United States, the concept of victimhood, and the potential for future violence. Both participants express strong emotions and differing perspectives, highlighting the deep divisions and the urgent need for a resolution that respects human rights and international law.
Takeaways
- 📢 The interview with performance artist 'Crackhead Barney' sparked controversy, highlighting the polarizing nature of the anti-war protests in the United States.
- 🌟 The discussion emphasizes the complexity of being critical of Israel's government actions without being anti-Semitic, and the importance of focusing on the humanitarian crisis rather than personal agendas.
- 🤔 The potential invasion of Rafah by Israel is a point of contention, with concerns that it could lead to massive civilian casualties and be seen as a war crime if the US does not intervene effectively.
- 🏙️ The situation in Gaza is presented as a brutal war and humanitarian emergency, with over a million people seeking refuge in Rafah city amidst the Israeli assault.
- 👥 The conversation includes perspectives from an Egyptian podcaster and the son of a Hamas founder, illustrating the range of viewpoints on the conflict.
- 🔥 There is a debate over whether Israel's actions in Gaza could lead to further radicalization and revenge, counterproductive to Israel's security interests.
- 💣 The issue of Israeli settlements expansion is acknowledged as a significant point of conflict, with opinions that such expansion is 'outrageous and indefensible'.
- 📛 The term 'Palestinian' is contested, with one participant arguing that it is a colonial construct and that Arabs in the region should not be using it to delegitimize Israel.
- 🛡️ It is asserted that Israel is fighting in Gaza following war protocols, while Hamas is accused of breaking these protocols, using civilians as shields.
- ⚖️ The script suggests that the global perception of the conflict is influenced by narratives spread by various parties, some of which may be misleading or false.
- 👶 The plight of children in the conflict is highlighted, with references to trauma, the impact of violence, and the psychological effects of living under siege and military occupation.
Q & A
What was the main criticism of the anti-war protest movement in the United States as discussed in the transcript?
-The main criticism was that the protest movement is being overrun by ignorant virtue signals who are shifting the focus away from the actual issues, such as the brutal war and humanitarian emergency in Gaza.
What is the stance on being anti-Israel in terms of its government without being anti-Semitic?
-It is entirely possible to criticize the Israeli government's actions without harboring prejudice against Jewish people, emphasizing the distinction between political disagreement and ethnic discrimination.
What is the concern regarding the potential invasion of Rafah by Israel?
-The concern is that an invasion could lead to a large number of civilian casualties, as there would be a significant population with nowhere else to go, potentially leading to a humanitarian crisis.
What is the role of the United States in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine, as mentioned in the transcript?
-The United States is seen as the only country that can potentially stop Israel from further military actions, with President Biden having told Israel to halt its advances.
What is the controversy surrounding the International Criminal Court (ICC) and its potential involvement with Israeli and Hamas leaders?
-The ICC is reportedly considering bringing Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to trial for alleged war crimes. The United States is attempting to prevent this, which has sparked debate over international justice and accountability.
What is the position of Masab Hassan Yusf regarding the removal of Hamas from power?
-Masab Hassan Yusf believes that Israel should not compromise its security due to global pressure and that removing Hamas from power is a necessary step towards peace, despite potential civilian casualties.
What is the view of Ramama Zay on the escalation of violence and the role of the United States?
-Ramama Zay expresses concern about the potential for further violence and questions the ability of the United States to effectively intervene and stop Israel's actions, highlighting the need for accountability for war crimes.
What is the argument against the narrative that Israel is targeting civilians on purpose in Gaza?
-The argument is that Israel is not intentionally targeting civilians but rather conducting operations against Hamas, and any civilian casualties are considered collateral damage, not the intended outcome.
What is the importance of understanding the historical context and the roots of the Palestinian identity in the discussion about the conflict?
-Understanding the historical context is crucial as it provides insight into the origins of the Palestinian identity and the evolution of the conflict, which is rooted in territorial disputes, decolonization efforts, and nationalism.
How does the issue of settlements and their expansion factor into the conflict?
-The expansion of settlements is a contentious issue as it is seen as a violation of international law and an obstacle to peace, contributing to tensions and the perception of Israel's unwillingness to pursue a peaceful resolution.
What is the responsibility of the global community in addressing the ongoing conflict and potential war crimes?
-The global community has a responsibility to ensure that human rights are upheld, war crimes are investigated, and a path towards peace and stability is facilitated, which includes addressing the false narratives and victim mentality that perpetuate the cycle of violence.
Outlines
📽️ Anti-War Protests and the Gaza Crisis
The paragraph discusses the absurdity of anti-war protests in the U.S. and an interview with a performance artist known as Crackhead Barney. It critiques the virtue signaling and self-focus of protesters, emphasizing the need to focus on the actual humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The speaker argues against the eradication of the Israeli State and for a nuanced understanding of the conflict, highlighting the plight of civilians in Rafah and the international political dynamics, including the potential consequences if Israel ignores U.S. warnings.
💣 The Human Cost of the Gaza Conflict
This section delves into the potential humanitarian disaster if Israel invades Rafah, with the acknowledgment of the complexity of the situation. The speaker discusses the repeated tactics of Hamas, including the use of civilians as shields, and the broader implications of Israel's actions on global perception and the potential for increased radicalization. The conversation also touches upon the role of the International Criminal Court (ICC) and the political challenges faced by the U.S. in influencing Israel's decisions.
🤝 Personal Narratives and Collective Movements
The paragraph focuses on personal narratives within the larger conflict, with one speaker renouncing Hamas's tactics and advocating for the protection of civilian lives. It contrasts personal experiences with the collective movement for peace and the need to end cycles of violence. There's a call for accountability and a challenge to the lack of clear leadership within the pro-Palestinian movement, emphasizing the importance of non-violent objectives and moral responsibility.
🏛️ The Impact of Protests on Campuses
This section addresses the polarization and fear felt by Jewish students amidst campus protests that support Hamas. It highlights the predominantly Jewish participation in protests against the Israeli government's actions, emphasizing the complexity of the issue and the need for understanding the broader historical context. The speaker challenges the narrative that the protests are anti-Semitic and calls for an end to the siege and apartheid, advocating for a sustainable solution to the conflict.
🏡 Displacement and the Narrative of Victimhood
The paragraph discusses the historical context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, addressing the displacement of Jewish people in the Middle East and the disputed territories post-1967 war. It argues against the notion of 'Palestinians' as a nationality, questioning the legitimacy of the term and the narrative of victimhood. The speaker asserts that the conflict stems from a refusal to accept the consequences of war and a perpetuation of a false narrative that delegitimizes Israel.
🕊️ The Role of Hamas and the Future of Palestine
This section questions the leadership and future of the Palestinian cause, with one speaker expressing concern over the influence of Hamas. It discusses the impact of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) on Palestinian Christians and the broader humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The conversation touches on the responsibility to protect civilians and the moral obligation to speak out against war crimes, emphasizing the need for a resolution that respects the rights and dignity of all people in the region.
⚖️ War Protocols and the Conduct of War
The final paragraph debates the conduct of war, with one speaker accusing the Israeli military of war crimes while the other defends their adherence to war protocols. It addresses the issue of Hamas using civilians as shields and the complexities of military strategy in densely populated areas. The discussion ends with a call for understanding the nuances of the conflict and recognizing the passions and concerns on both sides of the debate.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Anti-war protest
💡Humanitarian emergency
💡War crimes
💡Settlements
💡Hamas
💡Palestinian refugees
💡Collateral damage
💡International Criminal Court (ICC)
💡Human shields
💡Apartheid
💡Right of return
Highlights
Discussion on the absurdity of anti-war protests in the United States and the impact of virtue signaling on the focus of the conflict in Gaza.
Interview with performance artist 'Crackhead Barney' causing controversy and debate on the effectiveness of interviewing such figures.
The importance of distinguishing between being anti-Israel government actions and not being anti-Semitic.
The debate over the potential consequences if Israel ignores the US and proceeds with an invasion of Rafah in Gaza.
Egyptian podcaster Ramama Zay's view on the repetition of warnings about the conflict and the lack of accountability leading to escalated crimes.
Mosab Hassan Yousuf, son of a Hamas founder, argues that Israel should not compromise its security despite global pressure.
Concerns about the potential radicalization of a new generation due to the loss of civilian life in Gaza.
Discussion on the role of the US in stopping potential Israeli invasions and the consequences of ignoring US directives.
Ramama Zay's perspective on the need to address the plight of the people in Rafah and the potential for further violence.
Mosab Hassan Yousuf's argument that ending Hamas's power is a step towards peace, despite the risks of civilian casualties.
Debate on the legitimacy of the term 'Palestinian' and the historical context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Ramama Zay's emphasis on the collective movement to end the cycle of violence and the importance of accountability for war crimes.
The issue of Israeli settlements expansion and its impact on the conflict, with differing views on legitimacy and consequences.
Emotional discussion on the human cost of the conflict, including the impact on children and civilians in Gaza.
Mosab Hassan Yousuf's defense of Israel's military actions in Gaza, stating they follow war protocols and accusing Hamas of breaking them.
Ramama Zay's call for an end to the siege and apartheid, and the need for a sustainable solution that respects the rights of the Palestinian people.
The主持人's acknowledgment of the complexity and passion in the debate, appreciating the civility and depth of discussion from both sides.
Transcripts
last week we shot a light on the
absurdity of the anti-war protest now
sweeping the United States it's fair to
say that my interview with the self star
performance artist known as crackhead
Barney caused a bit of a stir many
people questioned why I had on a tool
well did I really expect to get any
sense out of a diaper wearing
demonstrator who become infamous by
harassing Alec Balwin in a coffee shop
the answer is no probably not but that
was kind of the point the protest
movement is being overrun by ignorant
virtue signals who are shifting the
focus from where it needs to be a brutal
war and humanitarian emergency in Gaza
too many protesters on both sides are
making this all about them we've lost s
of some home truths so let's be pretty
clear it's entirely possible to be
anti-israel in terms of its government
but not anti- anti-semitic it should be
entirely possible to have serious moral
arguments against the way Israel is
Prosecuting this war but not call for
the total eradication of Israeli State
you could be anti-war without chanting
from the river to the Sea and defending
a murderous death cult you can debate
the issues without making yourself the
central character this week the focus
should be on Rafa the southern gazen
city where more than a million people
have sought Refuge from Israeli assault
on the rest of the strip Israel is
poised to invade it its critics believe
civilians will be sitting ducks with
nowhere else to go mash casualties will
be inevitable well Palestinian President
mmud abbass says the US is the only
country in the world that can stop
Israel from attacking Rafa and President
Biden has told Israel to go no further
but can he really stop them and should
there be consequences if Israel does
ignore the US and presses on with an
invasion despite his most important Ally
not offering support well to debate this
I'm joined by the Egyptian podcaster
ramama Zay and by the son of hamas's
founder and former Palestinian militant
masab Hassan yusf welcome to both of you
both returning to uncensored let me ask
you first of all if I may um ramama Zan
since we last spoke uh several months
ago about all this this war has
continued to rage and tens of thousands
of people have died in Gaza and it's
quite likely if there is a fullscale
invasion of Rafa that tens of thousands
of more civilians may die in the process
of
Israel as they put it getting rid of
Hamas and its entirety what is your view
of where this war now
is it's sad to see that a few months
after we're regurgitating and having to
repeat the same things that we've warned
about since day one that things are
getting out of hand that at one point do
you start calling someone who keeps
inciting these war crimes a criminal so
not having had having held them
accountable from day one has led to the
audacity and the confidence that we are
witnessing in the crimes and just as you
had stated now that there might be a uh
further violence onto RAF you don't know
if the US is even able to stop them
they've and we mentioned Gazza but we
don't even mention the West Bank we
don't mention what's happening in other
places and again this not this allowing
them to continue with their blatant war
crimes that by the way their soldiers
are filming and and sending them to one
another on telegram channels and other
social media channels just goes to show
to what it extent they are confident to
continue as such and it is scary we've
uh we've seen news that the the probably
the ICC is going to be calling Netanyahu
in as a as a criminal and um for trial
and the US is aiming to stop that at one
point you have to take a stand that
enough is enough it is sad that we are
repeating what we've started what we had
been saying from day one okay let me
bring in mosab Hassan youf for your
response to that I should point out that
the ICC is not just threatening apparent
ly to bring in Israeli leaders but also
Hamas leaders um M you said you said I I
think uh in The Times of Israel uh last
week we need to go into Rafa now not
tomorrow what are we waiting for we
finish Rafa we finish Hamas this will
remove them from Power which will be the
first step towards peace of course the
contrary view to this is that if Israel
does go hard into Rafa to try and
eliminate Hamas completely and kills
potentially tens of thousand thousands
more civilians that the global support
for Israel will completely evaporate and
many people will view what is happening
there as a war crime what do you say to
that well first of all I don't think
Israel should compromise its security
because of global uh pressure because
this Global pressure sooner or later is
going to go away now people are
traumatized by the uh tragedy of Gaza
and many people are making rational
decisions in my
opinion if we don't end Hamas and remove
them from Power like at least to remove
them from
power we we are going to have many other
Wars uh this is not hamas's first
attempt to take hostages and to take uh
civilians as human Shields they've done
this many times
already and I don't think that we need
to give Hamas one more opportunity
to destabilize the region and create a a
major war like this but is there not a
danger M that by doing this the way
Israel is doing it by flattening most of
Gaza in the process by killing so many
civilians including women and so many
children because of the the age
demographic of Gaza with half the people
there being children is there not a
danger that by trying to do what you've
just said and trying to get rid of her
Mass which many people I'm sure in
Israel would love to do and I understand
completely why they have a desire for
that to happen that by doing it you
actually end up achieving the opposite
of making Israel more secure that you
create a whole new generation of people
radicalized by losing their children
their mothers their wives and so on and
they become even more determined to
exact
Revenge yes well isra is fighting for
its very
existence um and I am also fighting for
my very existence when there are people
out there who want you to cease to exist
this is when they push you to the corner
and you have no other choice but to
fight I'm in the same position how it
feels like when you have hundreds of
millions of people who sentenced you to
death because of false
narratives and this is why uh we have
this trouble in the United States and a
global chaos because people are in
denial of the truth that Israel is not
targeting civilians on a purpose they
are not killing in Gaza for sport this
is what Hamas did on October 7 it was an
actual genocide that the world doesn't
want to admit now even though the icj
judges they say it was not a genocide
what's happening in Gaza is not a
genocide side this is what the judge say
but then we have all the wannabes and
the social media Warriors and the uh low
grade journalists s in public that
what's happening in Gaza is a genocide
and we simply say it's collateral damage
two two different
things okay uh ramazan here's my
question for you say something let me
just ask you first of all what should
Israel have done after October the 7th
if not go after Hass the people who
perpetrated I just need to respond uh Mr
Hassan I truly do apologize that your
type of relationship with your father
has led you to this quest to condone the
annihilation of your own people I truly
am sorry for that but just as you said
it is not about you unfortunately what
we're seeing today and how we're seeing
it it is bigger and it is older than
Hames when you look at the Palestinians
predominantly for example yesterday
there was one protest with predominantly
Christian
Palestinians it is much more than what
we are seeing today the right of return
the fact that you know it was actually
quite interesting you have some zionists
uh here telling the pro Palestinian uh
protesters go back home and their
response is we want to so come join our
protest so that we can have the right to
return and this The Siege whatever you
do and you just said you know you have
at one point you get so oppressed there
you have to fight back you you just said
that so what ends up happening and you
have to understand that as everyone and
Pierce on your show so many people have
said the same thing you are going to
keep having more resistance as long as
you don't do something about it and you
keep speaking about the hostages what
about those that are being abducted
abducted from the West Bank what about
those that are in prison what about the
children that are in prisons at some
point you have to stand up and say that
this cycle has to end and how does it
end by changing your tactic by putting
those that are the perpetrators
accountable and you sir are stating that
it is not a genocide it is even the
intent for genocide would label it as a
genocide which we have seen from OCC
occupation leaders calling them subhuman
uh benav asking for a nuclear bomb to be
dropped at them and I I I wish to
reiterate I understand that you have had
your personal issues but like you said
it's not about you it's it's it's a
collective movement to end the cycle of
violence okay let me give and you need
to realize that okay let me give uh
masab a chance to respond I mean the the
suggestion is that you are driven by
personal enemity because of your family
situation with your father being one of
the
uh founders of Hamas and you've since
renounced that side of your life and
that part of your family what do you say
to that charge that somehow you're
driven by by that more than anything
else
right well it is not only personal it's
fundamental uh what I did during the
second Palestinian intifa I risk my life
on a regular basis to save human lives
from Hamas brutal
uh suicide bombing attacks because Hamas
terrorism did not start on October 7
we're talking about waves of suicide
bomb and attacks that targeted civilians
indiscriminately where Jewish Christian
Arabs Muslims were killed during Hamas
attacks so our job was to stop Hamas
from blowing up things buses markets
beaches beach houses they targeted
everywhere
Hamas strategy of using uh civilians or
targeting civilians is not a new thing
now for me to be sentenced to death for
saving a human life because there is a
belief system that says
so well I totally reject that and they
want me to cease to exist this is not uh
a relationship between Father and Son
and by the way at I don't need your pity
my relationship with my father was an
excellent relationship I loved my father
and he loved me I'm sure he still does
love
me but this is where we draw the line
when the higher interest of humanity is
at risk when
people uh
kill uh hundreds and thousands of
civilians by the name of religion and by
the name of
ideology somebody has to stand up I am a
son of that conflict and I know exactly
what's going on there not only from the
Palestinian point of view but also from
the Israeli uh point of view then you
invite me to come join a revolution what
Revolution you are talking about you are
just creating chaos it's the revolution
only for the sake of Revolution at some
point some 30 years ago I believed just
like you today I know a different truth
and I don't Advocate on behalf of a
revolution that does not have sight that
does not have any moral compass that is
a
revolution only for the sake of
Revolution so before you tell me about
your Revolution and about your protest
tell me about your objectives what's
your goal what's your agenda what's your
agenda who is your leadership the
American parents have the right to be
concerned when they see masked men on
campuses we don't know who the hell they
are they could be activists and they
could be the devil so parents have the
right to say we don't want want masked
men with foreign agendas on our campuses
because you don't have a leadership and
tomorrow if the hit the fan who is
going to be held accountable for this
situation who do we go after why your
protest is not registered according the
American laws you are just creating
chaos borrowing some victim narrative
from the Middle East and trying to
americanize it trying to globalize it
and what we say as a person who lived
the
1987 intifada we don't want intifada in
America we don't want intifa in the west
and we most certainly don't want a
global
antifa okay Rama before you speak in
response to that hang on R I wanted just
because last week you spoke at the
University of Southern California
at one of the protests which uh was just
referenced by mosab there um I want to
play a clip from what you were saying
there just take a
listen we are patient we are patient we
are
resilience we are
resilience we are proud We are
proud that was you uh addressing a crowd
there I mean nothing insane cury in what
you were saying there but we have seen
many of these University protests people
openly talking about inada openly
talking chanting from The River To The
Sea uh others brazenly supporting Hamas
can you understand why Jewish students
at these campuses feel so threatened by
this really because when I was there
they were predominantly Jewish students
who were protesting they were
predominantly Jewish students that were
protesting even in the UCLA one one I I
don't think I don't know if I'm able to
say his name but one very prominent
Jewish scholar was side by side with me
in the protest in order to because at
the end of the day we we felt bad for
these students because they're the ones
facing police brutality as Mr Hassan
said they're the ones facing
infiltrators who are attempting to
discredit them it was bizarre to see one
student pose as a pro Palestinian
protester and then write uh inciting
chants on the ground and the quickly the
pro Palestinian students rushed to to
scrub it off at the end of the day um
though Mr Hassan wants to make it into
this political uh political Endeavor
again this is older and this is bigger
than Hames and it is much bigger than
you sir what is happening now is these
people these students are simply stating
the slaughter of children is wrong The
Siege is wrong abducting people for
liking posts in other parts of Palestine
is wrong the the the harassment of women
continuously is wrong and the fact that
we're having to even debate this is the
most bizarre thing of the 21st century
because you're having this because you
you'd hear about Vietnam or you'd hear
about but wasn't so recorded as much as
this genocide let me ask you this let me
ask you this Rama let me ask you this
because I asked you a question early
which you haven't replied to yet because
you you wanted to say something else at
the time so I ask you to you again how
should Israel have responded to this
terror attack on October the 7th 1,200
people were massacred and the people who
perpetrated this the Hamas terrorists
they were brazenly broadcasting a lot of
their despicable acts of Terror to the
world proud of it how should Israel when
presented with an existential threat
like that and when the Hamas spokesman
responds a few days later by saying
we're going to do this again and again
and again if we can how should Israel
have
responded but Hames leadership has also
tried again and again and again to uh
bring to to to call for a choose and
bring back the hostages which has been
denied from Netanyahu that's also hang
on that they should but hang on itated I
don't think hamash should be given any
credit for keeping hostages they
kidnapped Holocaust Survivors they
kidnapped babies they shouldn't have
been kidnapping anybody so should be
they should be giving back the hostages
anyway but my point to you which again
you haven't answered yet I'm curious
what your answer is how should Israel
have responded if you'd allow me
continue such a grotesque terror attack
both of you stop cutting me off I will
continue just answer the question I cut
you off I would I would very much like
to continue yeah no no I will I will
answer the question the way I see fit
the way I talk you are not going to
school me as to how to respond sir now
to my point 7th of October did not
happen in a vacuum another bigger
problem is that you've had lies being
regurgitated by officials from the 7th
of October I urge everyone to check uh
www. tech for pin.com which gives the
truth and the proper research as to
what's unfolded on the seventh of
October we don't need to read anything
hang on sorry I'm sorry look you can't
re revisit need to read you keep cutting
me off this
isre I'm not cutting you off Rama I'm
challenging you as I will by the
way let me no you can challeng once I am
done as I just said Hamas broadcast what
they were doing to the world you don't
need any report when you have people
literally showing you on social media
what you're doing and boasting about it
it is very you know you know something
that I've realized through these debates
is that it doesn't end up being a debate
it ends up being that I'm trying to
convince you that Palestinian life is
worth it but I agree is is as important
you don't have to convince me at all it
is quite completely agree that that is I
don't why you trying to convin the palan
matter I'm not
I I don't even have a response to this
this is a
very low conversation sir you said
you're trying to convince me that
Palestinian lives are worth it I said of
course they're worth it I'm not trying
to convince you
what but you're not acting like it is if
if you saw that you wouldn't be bringing
me back to the 7th of
October the 40,000 Palestinians who've
been killed but October the 7th started
this whole War really yes it did that's
not again this is this is thank you for
pointing out the exact issue that we
have here when you bring it to the point
of that this started from the 7th of
October that is the problem this war
started October 7 issue of the SE there
was a ceas fire before that no sir no
sir well there was no sir I am I am very
sorry to say that and and and the that
Palestinians living the way they were at
as second class citizens on their land
even and not just in West Bank or that's
a different question or GZA a different
question to which I would say I agree
with you definitively that is Def the
point with I agree with you sir you
oppress a people then let me finish if
you agree with me how what are you
agreeing with I want you to answer my
original question about how should
Israel have responded to that terror
attack it's a straightforward question
what should they have done your your
your question by ending this Siege by
ending apartheid by realizing that this
is not a sustainable solution to keep
oppressing a people I'll tell you
something interesting there is blatant
attacks like I I blatantly kill you but
there is something that we don't realize
that hurts sometimes even more the
intangible the disrespect the
checkpoints one day I one day at one of
these checkpoints and the amount of
disrespect these people have to go
through the fact that at one point in
the West Bank a settler can just walk
into your home Walts into your home
destroy your home take it and be backed
by a soldier the utter disrespect of
having so much Injustice there was this
one Palestinian who said our heart
breaks every day over a hundred times
what on Earth how is this
sustainable this is the longest Siege on
any place in history let me ask you're
going to have a seventh of October of
course you're going to have resistance
point pressure here's my problem I okay
I'm going to go to m but here's my point
about that I would say that I agree with
you a lot of the settlements
particularly the expanded settlements in
the last few months we've seen are
completely outrageous and indefensible
and should not be happening I completely
agree with you but when you say that of
course October 7 is going to happen no
absolutely not there was nothing to
justify a terror attack on that scale
let let me go to m we've been waiting
patiently here hang on go to m m let me
ask you about that issue of the
settlements what is your view about
expanding settlements in the way that
Israel's been doing because it seems to
me that they are crossing a line when
they do that which is completely
indefensible well speaking of uh uh
settlements or what so-called
settlements those are cities uh of
hundreds of thousands of people the this
was the result of the
1967 uh War when the Arab countries
United wanted to annihilate uh the state
of
Israel uh Arabs had their opportunity
back in 1948 to declare their
independence they had equal opportunity
like the Jewish people uh the Jewish
people fought the British coloni uh
colonialism and they shed blood and
eventually they earned their uh
Independence but in in 1948 instead of
the Arabs declaring their independence
they declared war against the Jewish
people there was no such Palestine at
that time they were just
Arabs and uh in the uh British era of
colonialism uh Jews Arabs Drews
Christians everybody in that area was
called the Palestinian the Palestinian
is a colonial entity it's it was not a
country and it was not a nationality it
was just uh a 25 year uh uh period so
now when we uh convinced ourselves that
we were Palestinians because of yasat
wanted us to be
Palestinians uh the chaos had begun and
now uh Palestinian is nothing but the
victim narrative that we don't want to
take responsibility for the choices that
we have made uh 70 years of conflict and
how many opportunities the Palestinians
are what's so-called Palestinians it's
not a real thing there are Arab Arab
children they have the birth right to be
there and they Israel has 2 million of
those so the allegation of aperti
doesn't make sense it's just a broken
record by all those who have been trying
to delegitimize Israel it has nothing to
do in in reality then the victim
narrative goes
on the uh 1967 borders this was area
which is the West Bank it was under the
control of Jordan and the Gaza was under
the control of Egypt they were Egypt and
Jordanian territories it was not a
Palestine today Israel has peace with
Egypt and with Jordan so when when the
Arabs launched a war and they lost the
War in 1967 Israel captured some
territory this is the consequences of
War this is the and the Arabs don't want
to accept the consequences of defeat
instead of saying we were
defeated and Israel won now they played
the victim card they have been playing
the victim card for 70 years and instead
of accepting what is on the table to
coexist with Israel basically Israel was
willing to withdraw from the West Bank
and Gaza that offer was on the table in
2000 and yasat rejected that because the
revolution has no purpose the revolution
is only for the sake of Revolution bunch
of C artists who only want to gain money
and power this is their game and they
have been using Arab children
assassinated after please let me please
let me finish please please don't
interrupt me please I did not interrupt
you so now the situation got out of
control the uh false Narrative of a
victim became Global it's a definitely a
best-seller narrative but it's not a
true story The Very basis of it the very
Foundation of what so-called palis is
not real because in reality there is no
such thing now to build all this false
accusations of aptide of genocide of
ethnic cleansing only the Jewish people
in the Middle East suffered ethnic
cleansing and displacement only the
Jewish people the Arabs did not suffer
the same consequences of the 1967 war
because Israel did not force them to
leave uh the territory after the war War
while Egypt Egypt your country gave the
Jewish people a 24-hour notice to depart
Egypt but the Jewish people did not do
the same towards the Arabs that and this
is how we have two million Arabs in
Israel so all the accusations they're
just
baseless and this is how they have been
spreading uh lies to delegitimize Israel
without telling us even what pal is what
does it stand for is it a nation what do
they want to achieve this Revolution and
This Global chaos what's their ultimate
goal I would like to know and most
importantly who is their leadership is
it the Palestinian Authority is it Hamas
is it the Islamic Jihad is it the this
new generation of pro Palestine that
they they are irrelevant to the
suffering of the Arab and Jewish
Children of the region let me go to Rama
for your your response I mean what is
the answer to that question who who is
in charge of the Palestinians who should
be in charge going forward do you see
any role for Hamas at the end of this
war it's not up to me as uh Mr Hassan
clearly stated I am Egyptian this is
this movement is for the people of
Palestine and it is very dangerous what
you said Mr Hassan because this maybe is
what even started this whole thing when
you had a group of immigrants coming in
and stating this is a a people without a
land for a land without a people there
was always a people they were the people
of Palestine and especially when we talk
about history it you have to also note
what was happening in the rest of the
world that this was a point where where
most countries were colonized and there
was this whole uh movement to
decolonized and there was nationalism
you can't just give this brief history
lesson without talking about it in
length and if you want to do so we can
by all means do so but I don't think we
have the time and so the most important
thing to note here just as I clearly
stated when we were at the protest
yesterday it's predominantly uh it was
predominantly Palestinian Christians
because you have uh IDF soldiers uh
having this the one church that is left
in GZA is under siege where a mother
went out because she needed the bathroom
they shot her and then they shot her
daughter who came to help her this is
what you are dealing with sir what piece
are you talking about for a person to be
able to look at a child that is starving
that is running towards Aid and shooting
them if you're not going to stand up now
when you see such war crimes happening
daily on your phones and not say that
something is very wrong right here what
are you expecting the world to look like
after this what are you expecting with
the polarization with the with with the
hatred that is then going to ensue
people are so hurt there the the the
videos that we are having to watch Daily
Now of families trapped under Rubble in
what world is it normal for a mother to
go get Aid and come back to find that
her house has been flattened that her
family has been
slaughtered these are these are
thousands how is it that in mere five
months we're talking about a for ,000
casualty these are not numbers these are
people with
stories what are you how are you
justifying what you are justifying when
a son finds out that his father has been
killed so
easily what do you have to say to this
person what do you have to say to this
child West Bank ask let me ask you what
you has to say must your response to
that look very important to understand
the
of
suffering and the cycle of violence is a
very long vicious cycle of violence and
I think the root cause of this is the
false narrative and the victim narrative
instead of taking responsibility we
blame
everybody the suffering of the Gin do
you think you are the only ones who see
the suffering of the uh
Gins you're not the only one and the but
in war people suffer please
sir I am from the West Bank this is my
birthplace and I know what's going on
there and I know all artists who have
been
hijacking generation after generation
they don't care for the children they
don't care for Humanity all the their
game is for power and money this is what
they do so now the situation in Gaz we
call it a human shield situation a
society that has been jacked by
islamists who don't value life their
purpose in the other life not in this
life hence they want to destroy Israel
and they want to destroy all other
civilizations and this is why we don't
accept this then it doesn't matter what
happened before before October 7 October
7 cannot be justified as resistance what
happened was
barbaric what happened was savagery what
happened was beyond any imagination this
is what ethnic cleansing and genocide
really means when you kill can I
communities wipe them out because of
their religion because of their religion
and ethnic
background what's happening in Gaza not
because of the ethnic and religious
background of gazans what's Happening
Now in Gaza because if their governing
Authority choose to make a stupid stunt
and wiping out 20 peaceful Jewish
communities that they had nothing to do
including kidnapping babies and elders
and women and what is this we are in the
21st century and we have to stop these
Savages be before they become an Empire
it's our responsibility to fight and the
foot soldiers in Gazza let me tell you
something those soldiers they have
families they are humans they are my
friends they are sacred Warriors who are
fighting on behalf of civilization to
stop Savages from taking over Warriors
don't tell me about the Suffering The
Suffering of gazans is the outcome of
Hamas taking human Shields this is the
outcome this is Hamas crime about the
suffering of Palestinians in the West
Bank not committing a crime against
humanity okay Isel is fighting in Gaza
following all
listen listen very important this is
very important Israel is following War
protocol in Gaza Hamas broke every
protocol moral Universal protocol in
this war well it may be it may be of
course that it turns out Israel has been
committing some war crimes in Gaza we
will see but let me ask you Rama you
were going to you wanted to ask a
question directly of mosa what was that
yes I I I I I think forgot but I I want
to just say one thing uh regarding what
you said sir about the foot soldiers
your honorable foot soldiers have been
filming themselves boasting their war
crimes in dinosaur suits I believe as
well as Dawning uh Palestinian female
laundry of dead and displaced
Palestinian women uh I I I would assume
that would enrage you as a Palestinian
uh they've also been uh recording their
war crimes that had been used then that
have been taken and used in Criminal
Courts and if anything have just
showcased the audacity and the
confidence that they have when they
conduct their war crimes
um I I I you're you're you your also
stated uh you
were I I I honestly forgot the the the
rant put me off so um okay well let me
let me let me end by I remembered I'm
sorry I remembered I sir you say that
you you you you use very big terms how
would you then describe the slaughter of
40,000 people and away from GDA I want
you to explain to me how is it that you
find it normal and what you expect of a
child that is taken and kidnapped from
his home from his family from the West
Bank okay is it normal that you have
children
being charged with mil under under
military law is this something you
believe is is is sustainable okay let me
give the final answer to to
mosab sure well are you talking about
baby kir whose uh first uh birthday was
in Hamas captivity is this the child you
are talking about because Israel does
not kidnap children I'm talking about
thousands of
children they do they do sir there there
is no such thing as thousands of
children the entire Palestinian
prisoners they are
not say mostly children and and please
when you say uh war crimes war crimes
you're just repeating like a par
whatever you know they told you there is
no war crime Israel is following the war
protocol in Gaza and I will never take
the cover of those soldiers who are
risking their lives regular Bas you are
the one that has been repeating yourself
as a
listened to your of is being abducted
and
keep to help me you are going to discuss
what is happening in the west instead
they sent what about the hospitals that
are being bombed what about the
universities what about the hospital
what about the universities what about
What's happen tunnels and bunkers and
command centers undera with Hames is not
a collective issue sir your Vendetta
with Hames whatever it may be is not
Collective issue again not with h ham is
a criminal is a criminal dangerous
terrorist organization we have to we
have can we try an exercise Pierce can
we can we just try one last thing can we
try say to your credit listen let me
just say to your credit to both of you
I've done lots of interviews and debates
in the last few weeks most of which have
descended into slanging matches you two
have managed to avoid that for for the
main and Mis debate and I appreciate the
where you've allowed each other to speak
and have your say I think we get a lot
further in trying to understand the
complexities of the situation and indeed
the passions uh on both sides and I
think you've both articulated those very
well so thank you very much indeed for
joining me I appreciate it
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