Is a $25,000 Electric Car Even Possible?

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28 May 202409:27

Summary

TLDRThe video script discusses the feasibility of a $25,000 brand new electric car that's affordable for the masses. It highlights the challenges, especially the cost of batteries, which are the most expensive part of electric vehicles. The script reviews current options like the Tesla Model 3 and the Fiat 500e, noting their price points and features. It raises questions about whether it's possible to reduce costs further without compromising range and quality, suggesting that while the dream of an affordable EV for everyone is aspirational, the economic realities and technological advancements may shift what that price point looks like in the future.

Takeaways

  • 🚗 The dream of an affordable $25,000 brand new electric car for the masses is a topic of discussion and speculation.
  • 🔋 Batteries are the most expensive component of electric cars, and reducing their cost is key to achieving lower vehicle prices.
  • 🚘 The Tesla Model 3 is considered the benchmark for the cheapest good electric car, with over 300 miles of range starting under $40,000.
  • 📉 As car prices decrease, options like the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, and Kona are mentioned, but they come with reduced range and features.
  • 🚕 The Fiat 500e is highlighted as an example, starting at $32,000 with 140 miles of range, and it showcases the challenges of cost reduction.
  • 🛠️ Reducing costs typically involves using cheaper materials and smaller components, which can impact the car's quality and performance.
  • 💺 The Fiat 500e is noted for its compact size but surprisingly spacious interior, though the back seat is not ideal for adults.
  • 🔑 Features like wireless charging and physical buttons for controls are mentioned as benefits of a more basic car interior.
  • 🛂 The car's affordability and practicality are questioned, especially when considering the need to further reduce costs to meet the $25,000 target.
  • 💭 The presenter expresses doubt about the feasibility of a $25,000 electric car with good range due to current economic and technological constraints.
  • 🌐 The discussion invites viewers to share their thoughts on whether a $25,000 brand new electric car will ever become a reality.

Q & A

  • What is the main concern of the speaker regarding electric cars?

    -The speaker is concerned about the possibility of ever achieving an affordable electric car for the masses, specifically one that costs $25,000 brand new with a good range.

  • What is the current price range for electric cars mentioned in the script?

    -The script mentions electric cars starting from just under $40,000, such as the Hyundai Ioniq 6, down to the Fiat 500e starting at $32,000, and even lower with the Mini Cooper SE and other models like the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt.

  • What is the significance of the Tesla Model 3 in the context of this discussion?

    -The Tesla Model 3 is mentioned as a benchmark for the cheapest good electric car, offering over 300 miles of range and setting a subjective standard for affordability and quality.

  • What are the economic challenges faced when trying to produce a cheaper electric car?

    -The economic challenges include the high cost of batteries, which are the most expensive part of an electric car, and the need to use cheaper materials and reduce features to lower the price.

  • What is the range of the Fiat 500e mentioned in the script?

    -The Fiat 500e has a range of approximately 140 miles.

  • What are some of the features of the Fiat 500e that indicate it is a compact car?

    -The Fiat 500e features a compact design, with a two-door body style, a small back seat that is not ideal for adults, and a modest trunk space.

  • How does the speaker describe the interior of the Fiat 500e?

    -The interior of the Fiat 500e is described as having a lot of plastic and fabric, with fewer screens and computer features compared to more expensive cars, giving it a cheaper feel despite its price.

  • What is the speaker's opinion on the design of the Fiat 500e?

    -The speaker appreciates the design of the Fiat 500e, mentioning that they like the look of the car, including its red color and the design details that make it feel special.

  • What is the main question the speaker poses regarding the future of affordable electric cars?

    -The main question posed by the speaker is whether it is possible to ever produce a brand new electric car for $25,000 that offers good range and quality, considering current economic and technological constraints.

  • What is the speaker's final thought on the $25,000 electric car dream?

    -The speaker expresses skepticism about the feasibility of the $25,000 electric car dream, suggesting that while it may eventually be possible, the definition of an affordable price tag may gradually increase over time due to inflation and other factors.

Outlines

00:00

🚗 The Quest for an Affordable Electric Car

The script discusses the dream of an affordable electric vehicle (EV) for the masses, priced at $25,000, and questions whether this is achievable. It highlights that batteries are the most expensive component of EVs, and reducing their cost is key to lowering the overall price. The script mentions the Tesla Model 3 as a benchmark for the cheapest good electric car, with a range of over 300 miles for under $40,000. It also points out that as prices decrease, the range and features of EVs like the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, and Mini Cooper SE also decrease. The Fiat 500e is introduced as an example, starting at $32,000 with a 140-mile range, and the presenter ponders the economic and physical limitations that might prevent a $25,000 EV with good range from becoming a reality.

05:00

🔍 A Closer Look at the Fiat 500e and the Challenge of Cost Reduction

This paragraph delves deeper into the Fiat 500e, a compact electric car with a starting price of $32,000, featuring a 140-mile range. The presenter critiques the interior, noting the use of cheaper materials and the lack of advanced technology such as CarPlay or Android Auto. The car's practicality is highlighted, with a spacious driver's seat, a compact back seat suitable for children, and a decent trunk space. The discussion then turns to the challenge of reducing the car's price to $25,000, speculating on potential sacrifices such as smaller size, fewer features, reduced materials quality, and a smaller battery, which would also reduce the range. The presenter expresses skepticism about the feasibility of a $25,000 EV with a satisfactory range due to current economic and technological constraints, and invites viewers to share their thoughts on the matter.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Electric car

An electric car refers to a vehicle that is powered by electric motors and uses rechargeable batteries as its primary source of energy. In the video's context, the discussion revolves around the affordability and feasibility of producing a brand new electric car for the mass market at a price point of $25,000, which is considered a dream for many enthusiasts and potential buyers.

💡Affordability

Affordability in the video script pertains to the cost-effectiveness of electric cars, specifically the challenge of manufacturing and selling them at a price that is accessible to the average consumer. The script discusses the current prices of electric cars and questions whether it is possible to achieve the goal of a $25,000 electric vehicle that offers good range and quality.

💡Battery cost

Battery cost is a central issue in the script, as batteries are identified as the most expensive component of electric cars. The script suggests that reducing battery size or cost is a potential way to lower the overall price of an electric vehicle, but this could compromise the vehicle's range and performance.

💡Economic physics

Economic physics in the script refers to the fundamental economic principles and constraints that influence the cost and design of electric cars. It is used to illustrate the challenges faced in creating an affordable electric vehicle without compromising on essential features and performance.

💡Fiat 500e

The Fiat 500e is a specific electric car model mentioned in the script. It serves as an example of a compact electric vehicle that starts at $32,000 and has a range of about 140 miles. The script uses this model to discuss the trade-offs between cost, range, and vehicle features, and to question whether a cheaper electric car with a lower price tag is feasible.

💡Range

Range in the context of electric cars refers to the distance that a vehicle can travel on a single charge. The script discusses the relationship between range and affordability, noting that as the price of electric cars decreases, so does the range, which can be a significant factor for potential buyers.

💡Compact

Compact in the script refers to the size and design of electric cars, particularly those that are smaller and more affordable. The Fiat 500e is described as a compact car, which is a common approach to reducing costs by using less material and offering a smaller vehicle.

💡Interior quality

Interior quality is discussed in the script in relation to the cost of electric cars. It is noted that to minimize costs, manufacturers may use cheaper materials for the interior, which can affect the overall feel and perception of value. The Fiat 500e's interior, for example, is criticized for its plastic feel despite its relatively high price.

💡Inflation

Inflation is mentioned in the script as a factor that could affect the future pricing of electric cars. The concern is that even if technological advancements lead to cheaper batteries and production, inflation might still drive up the final price of electric vehicles, making the $25,000 target more elusive.

💡Sustainable electric cars

Sustainable electric cars in the script refer to the long-term goal of making electric vehicles affordable and accessible to everyone. The script suggests that while the dream of a $25,000 electric car might be challenging to achieve, the broader goal of sustainable and widespread electric vehicle adoption is still possible, albeit with a potentially higher price point over time.

Highlights

The dream of an affordable $25,000 brand new electric car for the masses is discussed.

Batteries are identified as the most expensive part of electric cars, affecting cost reduction.

Tesla Model 3 is considered the benchmark for the cheapest good electric car with over 300 miles of range under $40,000.

Lower-priced electric cars like the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt are mentioned, with diminishing range as prices decrease.

The Fiat 500e is introduced as an example, starting at $32,000 with 140 miles of range.

Economic physics and inflation are discussed as barriers to achieving the $25,000 price point for new EVs.

The Fiat 500e's exterior design is praised, drawing comparisons to the Mini.

The compact size of affordable electric cars is highlighted, with the Fiat 500e as an example.

The interior of the Fiat 500e is criticized for its use of cheaper materials despite its price.

Lack of modern features like CarPlay and Android Auto in the Fiat 500e is noted.

The Fiat 500e's spaciousness despite its compact size is mentioned.

The challenge of reducing the Fiat 500e's price to $25,000 without compromising quality is discussed.

The possibility of a smaller battery leading to reduced range to achieve a lower price point is considered.

The presenter expresses skepticism about the feasibility of a $25,000 electric car with good range.

The presenter recalls an interview with Elon Musk about the possibility of a cheap $25,000 car a decade ago.

The presenter invites viewers to share their thoughts on whether a $25,000 electric car will ever exist.

Transcripts

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okay so I feel like electric car fans

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have been very patiently waiting for

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this dream of the

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$25,000 brand new electric car like the

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affordable for the masses EV that

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everyone can finally get without even

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thinking

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twice and the more I thought about it

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and the more options that I've seen as

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we get lower and lower in prices over

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time The more I've started to wonder if

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this is even possible and there's a

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bunch of math behind why I've been

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wondering this first of all batteries

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are the most expensive part of any

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electric car and so if you want to shave

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cost you shave battery but also let's

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look at what's currently out there right

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if you if you ask people about this this

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dream mythical $25,000 car I think a lot

00:45

of them talk about it as like Tesla

00:47

Model 2 like a smaller compact version

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of model 3 the model 3 right now feels

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like to me that is the bar for the

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cheapest good electric car and I that's

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obviously very subjective but I mean

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like 300 plus miles of range and under

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$40,000 let's say this is all new cars

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by the way I know you can get a used EV

01:09

for less but what about underneath that

01:13

price like I think ionic 6 would qualify

01:15

that's also like starting just under

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$40,000 but then as you keep going lower

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and lower you get to like the Nissan

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Leaf the Chevy bolt you get to the konas

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and the I I tested the Mini Cooper SE I

01:29

didn't do a video on it but that you

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know that car has 100 miles of range

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basically and it's it's just once you go

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way way down in price you start to run

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up against just pure economic physics

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and here's another version of it this is

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a car I've been testing for about a week

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now this is the Fiat 500e this car

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starts at

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$32,000 starting and it's a new EV and

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it's got about 140 M of range and uh you

01:58

can tell it's a pretty comp car and

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we'll get into the specifics of this car

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in a second but I see cars like this now

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and I'm like wait a second not to be

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pessimistic but like with eventual

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inflation and with all the things we're

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trying to do with good EVS maybe we'll

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just never see a

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$25,000 new EV with good range maybe

02:23

we'll see one with 100 200 miles of

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range but let's look at this car as my

02:28

example this is $2,000 now again purely

02:31

subjective I actually love the look of

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this car and I I don't think it's just

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because it's red I really think this is

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a good-looking car so you got the 500

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logo on the front you got this little

02:40

Grill here down at the bottom these

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little headlights this kind of has mini

02:45

looks up at the front but as you get to

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the side it's clearly compact right and

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we know that this Baseline cheap

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electric car is going to have to be

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compact so this is a twodo and to be

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honest the driver's seat very spacious I

03:00

just wouldn't wish this back seat on

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anyone uh we get to the back here this

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is where you charge the thing pop that

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open you can see it's a CCS Port it's

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not nacs but again it's a Fiat so

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there's the back of the

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500e and here look there's there's trunk

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space check this

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out that's a trunk that's a real trunk

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behind the back seats there that's not a

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joke of a junk that's actually storage

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space so you're going to have to nail

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the fundamentals just to have a car that

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people are willing to buy in general and

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uh it's fundamentally more spacious than

03:33

you'd think but the thing about trying

03:35

to minimize costs on a car in general is

03:39

you have to use cheaper materials even

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if you build it really well inside and

03:43

out to minimize cost you have to use

03:45

cheap materials right off the bat

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smaller Wheels but let's get inside this

03:49

car real quick I'll show you what it

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looks like inside a $32,000 car even

03:54

though it's got the interior of

03:56

something that might cost even less I

03:58

almost made this video about about the

04:00

Kia Nero I had the the Kia Nero also for

04:03

a couple weeks and I was going to call

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it something like the problem with cheap

04:09

electric cars is because the interior

04:12

feels like something cheaper because

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it's sitting on top of an expensive

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battery that bumps the base price up so

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you've gone through all the work of

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minimizing the cost of price in this car

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and here's what you end up with right

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okay this is the Fiat this is the

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steering wheel by the way power button

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totally fine when you minimize cost in a

04:30

car you tend to minimize computers and

04:33

screens so you've got this one screen in

04:34

the middle here there's no carplay

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there's no Android auto you get this

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screen back here behind the steering

04:40

wheel also pretty small kind of feels

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like the mini and then everywhere else

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it's like all right there's fabric up

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here there's plastic All Around Here

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There is a good amount of space in

04:50

storage and even a little cup holder

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that pops down here which I think is a

04:54

nice clever use of space but in general

04:57

it's it's felt it's fabric not really a

05:00

whole lot and this Dash here I mean the

05:02

red is nice because it matches the

05:03

outside of the car and I like the design

05:04

of it but again it's it's plastic you're

05:07

sitting in a a lot of plastic for a

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$32,000 car now funny enough one of the

05:13

upsides of this car is you do have a lot

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more of these buttons because there's

05:16

less happening on the computer computer

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still does a good amount of stuff you

05:20

can connect your phone to it it'll show

05:21

you your consumption and there's no one

05:23

pedal driving but when you hit the

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brakes you can see how much regen you're

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getting on that little dial right there

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but there's also so like a bunch of

05:30

regular AC buttons there is a wireless

05:32

charging pad for your phone right there

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one usba a port and then of course you

05:36

can lock the car and hit your hazards

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those are all regular buttons I've also

05:40

noticed there is no mirror here I

05:43

actually don't think that's that big of

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a cost there's there's a regular mirror

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over here and none there but okay then

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you want to get into the back seat so

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let's explore that let's get let's I'm

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going to do this for you guys I'm going

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to get into the back seat of the Fiat

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500 e yes it's still on it gets annoyed

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when I get out even though I haven't hit

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the power button okay pop this back

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here I do this for the videos okay so

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this is the 63 driving position that I

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just described

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and this is my current leg room

06:21

situation matter of fact I could

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probably spread out across the back seat

06:25

sideways like this um but it's not ideal

06:30

I have also sat in the back seat of my

06:33

own Porsche 911 once just to say I did

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it and uh it was a lot like this this

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was a tiny bit more room but this isn't

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made to have a bunch of people in the

06:43

back seats there's no screen back here

06:45

no ports back here no footwell room this

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is just uh it exists for maybe some kids

06:51

once in a while so if you end up with

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this car that I just showed you for

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$32,000 how do you go about making this

07:02

car even cheaper to get it down to

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$225,000 I mean it's already it's

07:08

already this sorry I I didn't hit the

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power button I I do get annoyed by that

07:13

personally but yeah okay fine there you

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go how do you make this car $25,000

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that's my question do you make it even

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smaller do you make it a total twood

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door and ignore the back seats

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completely do you remove even more

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things do you take out even more

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materials

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do you do you make the wheels even

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smaller do you make the battery even

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smaller because again as of right now

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it's not the most powerful car in the

07:36

world but it's it's got the electric

07:39

torque it's Zippy it'll get you 0 to 60

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in like 7 seconds it's fine it's even

07:44

got these little design details from

07:47

Fiat that make it feel special it's it's

07:50

a solid car but you got to get

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$7,000 off of this price you really got

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to cut a lot and as of right now battery

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being the most expensive thing this car

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currently has a pretty small battery

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that gets at 140 Mi of range so you're

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going to dramatically cut into the 140

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mies of range so I feel like you get

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where I'm going with this I wonder if

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the

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$25,000 electric car dream is even

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possible I mean obviously right now it

08:19

doesn't exist so we could argue it's

08:21

impossible right now but will it ever

08:24

exist will we ever get batteries that

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are so good and so battery energy dense

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and so cheap that we can sell cars for

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$25,000 and will we get there before

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inflation means we don't have that as

08:38

the price I don't know I tend to think

08:41

that yes we will eventually get to the

08:44

goal of sustainable electric cars for

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everyone but I think the bar for what

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that price tag is is just going to

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slowly creep up over time and I do

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remember like that first interview that

08:56

I did with Elon on video where I asked

08:58

about the the grandm plan and eventually

09:01

getting to a cheap $25,000 car and that

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must have been about a decade ago and

09:06

that seemed realistic 25,000 at the time

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but I don't know I'm super curious what

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you guys think and I'll listen in the

09:14

comments and talk to you guys I'm sure

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you all know much more than me about

09:16

this stuff but what do you think will we

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ever get a

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$25,000 electric car for brand new

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thanks for watching catch you in the

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next one peace

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