New York AG questions financial strength of company that posted Trump's bond

MSNBC
4 Apr 202405:37

Summary

TLDRThe New York Attorney General has raised concerns about the financial strength of the company that posted Donald Trump's $175 million bond, questioning its ability to cover the cost. The company, not admitted under New York's Department of Financial Service, has been asked to provide justification of the surety, detailing the collateralization and specific identifiable assets. If the bond is deemed insufficient, Trump will need to obtain a new undertaking to prevent enforcement actions, which could include asset seizures, while he appeals the judgment.

Takeaways

  • 📢 The New York Attorney General has filed notice regarding Donald Trump's civil fraud case, questioning the financial strength of the company that posted his bond.
  • 💰 The bond in question is for $175 million, not $175,000 as initially mentioned in the conversation.
  • 🔍 The company, Night Specialty Insurance Company, has over $537 million in assets as of December 31, 2023, but the Attorney General's office is concerned about the cash on hand.
  • 🏦 The Attorney General's office is seeking justification of the surety, meaning they want to know the specific identifiable assets that back the bond.
  • 🤝 The company is not admitted under New York's Department of Financial Service, hence the request for additional information on the bond's collateralization.
  • 🏛️ If the court finds the bond insufficient, Trump will have to obtain a new undertaking to prevent the enforcement of the judgment while he appeals.
  • 🚨 Enforcement could involve seizing assets, including bank accounts and obtaining ownership of assets that are free and clear from other mortgages.
  • 🕒 Trump has a stay, but it is conditional on his having posted the $175 million bond. If the bond is deemed insufficient, he must obtain a replacement.
  • 🔄 The situation highlights potential complications and delays in legal cases, impacting the political calendar and requiring attention from involved parties.
  • 🤔 The Attorney General's office prefers not to engage in real estate transactions or conduct a fire sale, seeking a clear path to enforce the judgment without complications.

Q & A

  • What is the main issue with Donald Trump's civil fraud case?

    -The main issue is the New York Attorney General's office questioning the financial strength of the company that posted Trump's bond, specifically whether it can sufficiently cover the cost of the $175 million bond.

  • What was the corrected version of the bond filed by the insurance company?

    -The corrected version of the bond included the insurance company's financial statements, showing over $537 million in assets as of December 31, 2023.

  • Why is the Attorney General's office concerned about the cash on hand of the insurance company?

    -The concern is that the cash on hand is less than the bond amount, and the company is not admitted under New York's Department of Financial Service, hence not being a New York insurer. This raises questions about the collateralization and the specific identifiable assets that would ensure the bond is covered.

  • What does 'justification of the surety' mean in this context?

    -In this context, 'justification of the surety' refers to the documentation and evidence required by the Attorney General's office to understand how the bond is collateralized and which specific assets are being used to ensure the bond's coverage.

  • What potential problems did Donald Trump face with his assets?

    -Trump faced issues with the liquidity of his assets, meaning how quickly he could sell them if needed, and whether they would be worth enough to cover the bond. Additionally, many of his assets were encumbered with existing debts, preventing him from using them as collateral.

  • What is the role of the surety in this case?

    -The surety, in this case, is the Night Specialty Insurance Company that has signed the bond. They are responsible for ensuring that if Trump wins on appeal, the surety will cover the bond amount, which stands at $175 million.

  • What are the consequences if the insurance company's bond is deemed insufficient?

    -If the bond is deemed insufficient, Trump would have to obtain a new undertaking to prevent Tish James from enforcing the judgment while he appeals. If he fails to post an adequate bond, enforcement actions such as seizing assets or bank accounts could take place.

  • What is the significance of the ten-day period mentioned in the script?

    -The ten-day period is the time frame within which the insurance company must file the 'justification of the surety' to explain the collateralization of the bond. After this, a hearing will take place where the surety can come forward to present their case.

  • What could the enforcement of the judgment mean for Donald Trump?

    -Enforcement of the judgment could involve seizing Trump's assets or bank accounts, or obtaining ownership of assets that are free and clear of other mortgages. This would be done to satisfy the financial judgment against him.

  • How does this case relate to the political calendar mentioned in the script?

    -The case could have an impact on the political calendar as it requires Donald Trump's attention and resources, potentially affecting his political activities or campaigns. The complications and delays in the case could create additional challenges for him in the political sphere.

Outlines

00:00

📢 Breaking News on Trump's Civil Fraud Case

The New York Attorney General has raised concerns about the financial strength of the company that posted Donald Trump's $175 million bond, questioning its ability to cover the cost. MSNBC legal correspondent Lisa Rubin is closely following the developments. The bond in question was filed by Night Specialty Insurance Company, which is not admitted under New York's Department of Financial Service and thus has to provide justification of the surety. The company's assets as of December 31, 2023, were over $537 million, but the cash on hand is less than the bond amount. The Attorney General's office wants to know the specifics of the collateralization and the identifiable assets that ensure the $175 million bond and the potential judgment value will be covered if they win the appeal. Trump's own assets have been a point of contention, with many encumbered and not readily available to cover the bond. The Attorney General's office is seeking clarity on the collateral and the ability to seize assets if the bond is deemed insufficient. This situation has brought Night Specialty Insurance Company and its president, Don Hinky, more directly into the legal proceedings. If the bond is found to be insufficient, Trump will need to obtain a new undertaking to prevent the enforcement of the judgment while he appeals.

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🤔 Impact on Trump's Political Calendar

The unfolding legal issues surrounding Donald Trump's civil fraud case are taking time and attention away from his political activities. As the case becomes more complicated, with delays and unforeseen developments, it could potentially affect the political calendar and Trump's own political aspirations. The legal complications and the need for constant attention to the case may hinder his ability to focus on political strategies and campaigns. This situation highlights the challenges that can arise when legal matters intersect with political ambitions, and the potential consequences for individuals involved in high-profile cases.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Civil Fraud Case

A civil fraud case refers to a legal dispute in which one party accuses another of fraudulent behavior that causes financial harm. In the context of the video, this term is used to describe the legal action against Donald Trump and his company, involving allegations of financial misconduct. The case is significant as it pertains to the financial strength of the company that posted his bond, questioning its ability to cover the costs if the case goes against Trump.

💡New York Attorney General

The New York Attorney General is the head of the state's law office, responsible for representing the interests of the people of New York in legal matters. In the video, the Attorney General's office is involved in questioning the financial statements and the sufficiency of the bond posted by the company associated with Donald Trump, indicating their role in ensuring justice and financial accountability.

💡Financial Statements

Financial statements are formal records of the financial activities and position of a business, person, or other entity. In the video, the financial statements of the insurance company are crucial as they reveal the company's assets and potential ability to cover the $175 million bond. The scrutiny of these statements by the Attorney General's office is part of their due diligence to ensure that the bond is sufficiently collateralized.

💡Surety

A surety is a person or organization that promises to pay a debtor's obligation if the debtor cannot. In the context of the video, the surety in question is the insurance company that has posted the bond for Donald Trump. The New York Attorney General's office is seeking justification of the surety, meaning they want to understand how the bond is backed and secured, especially since the company is not a New York insurer and does not have qualifications within the state.

💡Collateralized

To collateralize a bond or debt means to pledge specific assets as a guarantee for the repayment of that debt. In the video, the term is used to describe the need for the insurance company to provide clear evidence of the assets that back the bond posted for Donald Trump. The collateralization is under scrutiny to ensure that the bond can cover the financial judgment if the appeal is won by the Attorney General's office.

💡Liquid Assets

Liquid assets are assets that can be quickly and easily converted into cash without losing much of their value. In the context of the video, the concern is whether Donald Trump has sufficient liquid assets to cover the bond. The question of liquid assets is important because it relates to the ability to meet financial obligations in a timely manner, especially in the case of needing to sell assets quickly to cover a financial judgment.

💡Encumbered Assets

Encumbered assets are those that have some type of lien, mortgage, or claim against them, which means they are already pledged as security for an existing debt. In the video, it is mentioned that many of Trump's assets were encumbered, preventing him from using them as collateral for the bond. This creates a challenge in providing sufficient security for the financial obligations involved in the case.

💡Amite Shaw

Amite Shaw is the President of the Night Specialty Insurance Company, which is the entity that signed the bond for Donald Trump. In the video, Shaw is copied on the documents and is expected to provide clarification on the bond's collateralization. His involvement highlights the direct responsibility of the insurance company and its management in the legal proceedings.

💡Justification of the Surety

A justification of the surety is a legal requirement where the surety company must provide evidence and explanation of how the bond is backed by collateral and how the financial obligations will be met. In the video, the New York Attorney General's office is asking for this justification to ensure that the bond is sufficient to cover the financial judgment if they win the appeal.

💡Enforcing the Judgment

Enforcing a judgment refers to the legal process of collecting the amount ordered by the court from the debtor. This may involve seizing assets, such as bank accounts or property, and can extend to obtaining ownership of assets that are free of other mortgages. In the video, the term is used to describe the potential actions that could be taken if the bond is deemed insufficient, which could impact Trump's assets.

💡Political Calendar

The political calendar refers to the schedule of political events, such as elections, debates, and other significant political activities. In the video, the mention of the political calendar alludes to the potential impact of the legal cases on upcoming political events, suggesting that the legal proceedings could influence or distract from political campaigns or schedules.

Highlights

New York Attorney General files notice questioning the financial strength of the company that posted Trump's bond.

The bond in question is for $175 million, not $175,000 as initially stated.

The company, Night Specialty Insurance Company, has over $537 million in assets as of December 31, 2023.

The Attorney General's office is concerned about the cash on hand being less than the bond amount.

Night Specialty Insurance Company is not admitted under New York's Department of Financial Service and is not a New York insurer.

The Attorney General's office is entitled to ask for a justification of the surety, meaning they want to know the collateralization details.

There are questions about the liquidity of Trump's assets and whether they can be quickly sold to cover the bond.

Many of Trump's assets were encumbered and couldn't be pledged due to existing liens.

Trump chose Night Specialty Insurance Company as his surety due to his own liquidity and collateralization problems.

The Attorney General's office is not satisfied with the bond filed and wants further assurance.

Night Specialty Insurance Company has ten days to file a justification of the surety and explain the collateralization.

If the bond is deemed insufficient, Trump will have to obtain a new undertaking to prevent enforcement of the judgment while he appeals.

Enforcement could involve seizing assets, bank accounts, or obtaining ownership of free and clear assets.

Both the Attorney General's office and Trump prefer to avoid a situation where assets need to be seized or sold.

This case highlights the potential impact of criminal cases on the political calendar and the complications that can arise.

The situation with the bond and the insurance company brings additional scrutiny and involvement for Night Specialty and its president, Don Hinky.

The Attorney General's office is focused on law enforcement and is not interested in conducting a fire sale of Trump's assets.

Transcripts

00:07

>>> BREAKING NEWS IN DONALD

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>>> BREAKING NEWS IN DONALD

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TRUMP'S CIVIL FRAUD CASE.

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THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL

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HAS FILED NOTICE QUESTIONING

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ESSENTIALLY THE FINANCIAL

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STRENGTH OF THE COMPANY THAT

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POSTED HIS BOND AND WHETHER IT

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CAN COVER THE COST.

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I WANT TO BRING BACK MSNBC LEGAL

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CORRESPONDENT LISA RUBIN WHO IS

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FRANTICALLY LOOKING AT HER PHONE

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BECAUSE THIS IS LITERALLY JUST

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BREAKING.

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SO THIS IS THE $175,000, RIGHT?

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>> $175 MILLION.

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>> IF ONLY IT WAS $175,000,

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DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING.

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$175 MILLION, SO THERE'S A

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QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE

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REALLY COVERING IT IN A

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SUFFICIENT WAY, IS THAT IT?

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>> LET'S GO BACK FOR A SECOND.

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SO THIS MORNING, NIGHT SPECIALTY

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INSURANCE COMPANY FILED A

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CORRECTED VERSION OF THE BOND

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THAT ATTACHED AMONG OTHER THINGS

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ITS FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

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AND SHOWED WHAT ITS ASSETS WERE

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AS OF THE END OF LAST YEAR.

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THAT'S DECEMBER 31st, 2023.

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IT HAS OVER $537 MILLION IN

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ASSETS, AND WHAT THE ATTORNEY

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GENERAL'S OFFICE IS SAYING, THE

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CASH IT HAS ON HAND IS LESS THAN

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THE BOND AND THEY NEED TO KNOW

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BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY THIS

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COMPANY IS NOT ADMITTED UNDER

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NEW YORK'S DEPARTMENT OF

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FINANCIAL SERVICE, IT'S NOT A

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NEW YORK INSURER, AND BECAUSE IT

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DOESN'T HAVE QUALIFICATIONS IN

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NEW YORK STATE, THEY ARE

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ENTITLED TO ASK FOR WHAT'S

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CALLED JUSTIFICATION OF THE

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SURETY.

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THAT MEANS AMONG OTHER THINGS,

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CHRIS, THAT THEY WANT TO KNOW

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HOW IS THIS COLLATERALIZED?

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WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC

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IDENTIFIABLE U ASSETS THAT

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DONALD TRUMP POSTED TO ENSURE

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THAT IF THEY WIN ON APPEAL, THEY

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WILL GET BACK THIS $175 MILLION

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AND UP TO THE VALUE OF THE

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JUDGMENT THAT JUDGE ENGORON HAD

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ORDERED, WHICH AT THIS POINT

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STANDS OVER 500 -- I'M SORRY,

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$454 MILLION IF THAT JUDGMENT'S

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UPHELD.

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>> WASN'T THAT SIMILAR TO THE

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PROBLEM DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF

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FACED?

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BECAUSE HE CLEARLY HAS A LOT OF

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ASSETS.

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THE QUESTION OF ARE THEY LIQUID

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ASSETS, HOW QUICKLY, FOR

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EXAMPLE, IF HE NEEDED TO COULD

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HE SELL SOMETHING, AND WOULD IT

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BE WORTH WHAT --

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>> CORRECT.

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>> -- WOULD BE NEEDED TO COVER

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THE BOND.

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>> HE HAD OTHER PROBLEMS TOO, A

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LOT OF THOSE ASSETS WERE

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ENCUMBERED AND HE COULDN'T

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PLEDGE THEM BECAUSE THERE WAS

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ALREADY SOMEBODY IN LINE.

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IF YOU OWE A $125 MILLION

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MORTGAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO AN

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EXISTING LENNEDDER YOU CAN'T GIV

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THAT OVER TO THE ATTORNEY

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GENERAL FIRST WHEN YOU'VE GOT

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SOMEBODY IN LINE.

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THAT IS A SIMILAR PROBLEM.

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TRUMP HAD EVEN GREATER PROBLEMS

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ON HIS OWN, WHICH IS WHY HE WENT

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TONIGHT SPECIALTY INSURANCE

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COMPANY AS HIS SURE TER HERE.

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HERE YOU SEE THE ATTORNEY

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GENERAL'S OFFICE SAYING WHAT YOU

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FILED THIS MORNING IS STILL NOT

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ENOUGH TO SATISFY US THAT YOU

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HAVE POSTED A BOND THAT IS

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SUFFICIENT TO COVER OUR JUDGMENT

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IF AND WHEN WE WIN ON APPEAL.

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>> SO NOW WHAT HAPPENS?

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>> THEY HAVE TEN DAYS TO FILE

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WHAT'S CALLED A JUSTIFICATION OF

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THE SURETY, AND THEN THERE WILL

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BE, IN ADDITION TO THE MOTION

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PRACTICE, A HEARING AT WHICH THE

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SURE TER

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SURETER CAN COME FORWARD.

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THEY HAVE COPIED AMITE SHAW

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WHO'S PRESIDENT OF THE NIGHT

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SPECIALTY INSURANCE COMPANY SIGN

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THE BOND.

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HE IS COPIED HERE BECAUSE HE IS

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BASICALLY THE PERSON ON WHOM

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THIS IS BEING SERVED.

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YOU WILL SHOW UP.

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YOU WILL FILE THESE DOCUMENTS TO

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EXPLAIN TO US HOW THIS IS

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COLLATERALIZED.

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THIS IS BRINGING DON HINKY AND

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HIS COMPANY A WHOLE LOT MORE

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INTO THIS MESS THAN I FEAR THEY

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ANTICIPATED.

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>> OKAY, SO THEN THE QUESTION

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BECOMES WHAT IF -- WE DON'T KNOW

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WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WHAT

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IF THE DECISION IS, NO, THIS

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ISN'T GOOD?

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>> SO IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S NOT

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GOOD, THEN TRUMP WILL HAVE TO

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OBTAIN A NEW UNDERTAKING TO

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PREVENT TISH JAMES FROM

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ENFORCING ON THE JUDGMENT WHILE

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HE APPEALS.

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RIGHT NOW HE HAS A STAY, BUT

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THAT STAY IS CONDITIONAL ON HIS

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HAVING POSTED THIS 17 58DS$175 M

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BOND.

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IF THIS BOND ISN'T SUFFICIENT,

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ACCORDING TO A COURT, TRUMP WILL

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HAVE TO OBTAIN ANOTHER ONE IN

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LIEU OF IT.

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>> REMIND US WHAT ENFORCING

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MIGHT MEAN.

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>> ENFORCING COULD MEAN SEIZING

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ASSETS.

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IT COULD MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE,

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SEIZING BANK ACCOUNTS.

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IT COULD ALSO MEAN TAKING STEPS

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TO OBTAIN THE OWNERSHIP OF

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ASSETS THAT ARE FREE AND CLEAR

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FROM OTHER MORTGAGES,.

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IN THE PERFECT WORLD, TISH JAMES

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DOESN'T WANT TO GET INTO A WAR

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WITH OTHER LENDERS TO WHOM

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DONALD TRUMP ALREADY OWES MONEY.

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SHE'D RATHER TAKE POSSESSION OF

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ASSETS OR PROPERTIES THAT ARE

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FREE AND CLEAR OF OTHER DEMANDS,

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BUT SHE NEVER WANTED TO GET INTO

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THAT BUSINESS IN THE FIRST

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PLACE, WHICH IS WHY THE SURETY

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IS A GOOD OPTION FOR THE

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ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AS

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WELL.

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THEY ARE A LAW ENFORCEMENT

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OFFICE.

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THEY ARE NOT A REAL ESTATE

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AGENCY.

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THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN

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CONDUCTING A FIRE SALE ANY MORE

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THAN DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO HOST

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ONE HIMSELF. >> WELL, THIS IS A PERFECT

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>> WELL, THIS IS A PERFECT

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EXAMPLE EARLY IN THIS WHOLE

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PROCESS WHEN WE KNEW THERE WERE

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FOUR CRIMINAL CASES, WHAT IMPACT

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IT MIGHT HAVE ON THE POLITICAL

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CALENDAR, AND ONE OF THE THINGS

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FOLKS LIKE YOU SAID WAS THESE

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CASES CAN GET COMPLICATED.

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THERE CAN BE DELAYS.

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THERE CAN BE THINGS LIKE THIS

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THAT HAPPEN AND NOW IT'S ANOTHER

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THING THAT'S TAKING TIME AND

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ATTENTION FOR DONALD TRUMP AND