Candace Owens Gag Order, Trump Won't Debate RFK & Tom Brady Roast | PBD Podcast | Ep. 406
Summary
TLDRThe video transcript features a dynamic discussion covering a wide array of topics, starting with the possibility of CNN bringing back anchor Chris Cuomo amidst ratings struggles. The conversation quickly shifts to various current events, including a potential debate between Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens, the latter facing a gag order from the Daily Wire. The hosts delve into the implications of such a debate and the strategic moves by media companies. They also touch upon the importance of understanding audience value propositions and the challenges of navigating controversial topics in the media landscape. The discussion further explores the concept of 'dying on the hill' for certain issues, referencing political figures and their stances. The transcript also includes commentary on the handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, the role of the government and media in shaping public perception, and the importance of critical inquiry. It concludes with a reflection on the current state of political discourse and the influence of social media on public opinion, emphasizing the need for grace and accountability in public debate.
Takeaways
- 📈 The April jobs report indicates a cooling trend in the labor market with only 175,000 new positions added, which is below expectations and suggests a potential relief for the Federal Reserve amidst inflation concerns.
- 💼 Full-time job creation is dropping while part-time jobs are being added at a higher rate, which could impact wage growth and inflation.
- 🤝 Chris Cuomo expresses his desire to end disputes and move forward, emphasizing the importance of focusing on unity and conversation rather than returning to CNN.
- 👴 A video featuring an elderly woman supporting her grandchildren's choice to undergo gender transition procedures at a young age sparks controversy and debate about societal values and parental rights.
- 🥊 Conor McGregor and Ryan Garcia engage in a heated exchange on social media, with McGregor accusing Garcia of using performance-enhancing drugs and offering to set up a sparring session.
- 🎓 Columbia University cancels its university-wide commencement ceremony due to protests on campus, leading to discussions on whether this is a capitulation to the wrong elements and setting a precedent for future actions.
- 🌎 Governor Hochul's comments at the Clinton Global Initiative suggest support for activist movements on college campuses, which some link to the ongoing protests at various universities.
- 💭 The discussion suggests that outrage and enragement on social media do not reflect the views of the majority of Americans, who are more moderate and less engaged in online conflicts.
- 🤔 There is speculation that the outcome of the upcoming election may be heavily influenced by the economy, immigration, and social issues, with the potential for a close race and late-deciding factors.
- 👮♂️ Mayor Adams of New York City takes a firm stance on allowing graduations to proceed peacefully, indicating a commitment to public safety and order.
- 🚫 Harvard and MIT issue ultimatums to protesters on campus, demanding the removal of protest encampments or facing punishment, signaling a potential shift in how institutions are responding to activism.
Q & A
What is the main topic of discussion in the transcript?
-The main topic of discussion is a variety of current events and issues, including CNN's potential decision to bring back an anchor, Chris KOMO, the debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, and the impact of social media on political discourse.
Why did Chris KOMO leave CNN?
-The transcript does not provide specific details on why Chris KOMO left CNN, but it mentions that there were tensions and that Chris was ghosted by many of his peers after his departure.
What is the controversy surrounding Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro?
-The controversy is about a proposed debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro regarding the Israel-Palestine issue. The Daily Wire, where Owens was a host, reportedly obtained a gag order against her, preventing her from criticizing the company or Ben Shapiro.
How does Chris KOMO feel about the possibility of returning to CNN?
-Chris KOMO states that the idea of returning to CNN is not in line with where he is in life, and he feels that there has been too much negativity and misunderstanding to go back.
What is the significance of the gag order against Candace Owens?
-The gag order is significant because it prevents Candace Owens from publicly criticizing The Daily Wire or Ben Shapiro, suggesting that the company may be trying to control the narrative and protect its interests.
What is the general sentiment towards social media's role in political discourse as depicted in the transcript?
-The sentiment expressed in the transcript is that social media can amplify controversy and polarize opinions, with figures like Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens using it to provoke strong reactions and build their following.
Why does the host believe that CNN's decision to potentially rehire Chris KOMO is a strategic move?
-The host suggests that CNN's decision to potentially rehire Chris KOMO is a strategic move because they are struggling with ratings and believe that Chris, as a popular anchor, could restore the network to its previous status.
What is the host's opinion on the importance of questioning government narratives?
-The host believes that it is crucial to question government narratives and not simply accept them without scrutiny, especially when it comes to matters of public health and safety.
How does the discussion about CNN's potential rehire of Chris KOMO relate to the broader topic of media credibility and public trust?
-The discussion implies that media credibility and public trust can be influenced by the actions and decisions of media organizations, such as CNN's handling of Chris KOMO's departure and potential return.
What is the host's stance on the use of Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19?
-The host mentions that he is now taking Ivermectin as part of his health protocol under the guidance of his doctor, suggesting that he believes in its potential benefits despite initial controversy.
How does the transcript reflect the tension between personal freedom and public health concerns in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic?
-The transcript reflects this tension through discussions about vaccine choices, the role of government and media in shaping public opinion, and the experiences of individuals like the host who have had adverse reactions to vaccines.
Outlines
🎙️ Introduction and Guest Discussion
The video script begins with an energetic introduction, highlighting various topics including an interview with Chris Koo, discussions on a gag order against Candace Owens, and the potential return of a former CNN anchor. The speaker also touches on stories about Donald Trump, campus protests, and corporate earnings.
📰 CNN's Struggles and Chris KOMO's Departure
This paragraph delves into the rumors of CNN considering bringing back Chris KOMO to boost their ratings. It includes Chris KOMO's response to these rumors, his reflections on his time at CNN, and his reasons for not returning to the network. The discussion also explores the impact of media agendas and the importance of journalistic integrity.
🤝 Candace Owens and Daily Wire's Legal Dispute
The speaker discusses a report about the Daily Wire obtaining a gag order against Candace Owens, preventing her from criticizing the company or its co-founder, Ben Shapiro. The paragraph explores the implications of this legal action, the potential reasons behind it, and the strategic moves made by the Daily Wire.
💊 Controversies Surrounding COVID-19 Vaccines
The script addresses the controversy and changing narratives surrounding COVID-19 vaccines. It includes a debate about the necessity and potential side effects of the vaccines, the importance of personal choice, and the role of public figures in influencing opinions on vaccination.
🤔 The Role of Media in Shaping Public Opinion
This section critiques the media's role in shaping public opinion on various issues, including the COVID-19 pandemic and vaccines. It discusses the potential for groupthink within news organizations and the lack of curiosity or questioning of government narratives.
👥 Personal Experiences with COVID-19
The speaker shares personal experiences with COVID-19, including dealing with long-term effects and the decision-making process regarding vaccination. It also addresses the lack of government support for certain treatments and the need for more robust investigation into the vaccine's impact.
🤝 Roast of Tom Brady and Celebrity Interactions
The script shifts to a discussion about a roast event featuring Tom Brady, where celebrities like Tony Hinchcliff, Kevin Hart, and others made jokes and poked fun at the football player. The paragraph highlights the humor, the celebrities' interactions, and the overall entertainment value of the event.
📉 April Jobs Report and Its Implications
The final paragraph discusses the April jobs report, which shows a cooling trend in the labor market. It touches on the implications of this data for the Federal Reserve's approach to inflation and interest rates, as well as the advice for individuals to appreciate and retain good jobs in the current economic climate.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Gag Order
💡CNN Ratings
💡Chris Cuomo
💡Campus Protests
💡Whistleblower
💡AI and Society
💡Entrepreneurship
💡Media Bias
💡Political Debate
💡Social Media and Outrage Culture
💡Economic Indicators
Highlights
Discussion on the potential return of Chris Cuomo to CNN, where he denies any plans to go back, citing a lack of fit with the current direction of the network and personal reasons.
Chris Cuomo addresses the allegations about his firing from CNN, stating that claims of him lying about helping his brother are false and that he has been treated unfairly.
Analysis of the situation between Candace Owens and the Daily Wire, where Owens is reportedly issued a gag order preventing her from criticizing the company.
Glenn Greenwald's involvement in the Candace Owens story and the implications it has on freedom of speech and contractual obligations.
Speculation on CNN's strategy and the potential of bringing back Chris Cuomo to improve ratings, which Cuomo dismisses as false.
Chris Cuomo's reflections on his time at CNN, the value of the team concept, and his current contentment with his career path.
Comments on the current state of CNN and whether it can recover from its recent struggles, with opinions that it may be 'incurable' due to its decline.
Discussion on the importance of questioning government narratives, especially in times of crisis like the COVID-19 pandemic.
Chris Cuomo's personal experience with Long COVID and his views on the lack of government attention to individuals with adverse vaccine reactions.
Debate on the media's role during the pandemic, the pressure to conform to certain narratives, and the potential for groupthink among journalists.
Concerns raised about the lack of a thorough review of the COVID-19 pandemic response and the need for a '911 Commission' style investigation.
Comments on the current political climate and the challenges faced by third-party candidates like Bobby Kennedy Jr. in the U.S. election system.
Discussion on the potential impact of third-party candidates on the election outcomes and the strategic considerations for the Republican party.
Roast of Tom Brady by Tony Hinchcliffe and other comedians, providing a moment of levity and a display of freedom of speech in comedy.
Reflections on the state of comedy and the importance of being able to offend without severe repercussions, citing the 50th anniversary of 'Blazing Saddles'.
Concerns about the increasing polarization and outrage culture in the U.S., and its impact on the political landscape and public discourse.
Predictions about the upcoming U.S. presidential election, suggesting that it will be closely contested and may come down to last-minute events.
Transcripts
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406 we got a lot of weird things going
on right now folks a lot of weird things
going on we got uh the great uh Chris
Koo in the house today it's great to
have you here brother it is a pleasure
fastic fantastic oana we got s we got uh
uh Tom we got Robin we got a bunch of
stories apparently there's a gag order
against Candace Owens according to uh
who put it out there Rob the video is
what Weinstein is Glenn Greenwald Glenn
Greenwald okay got a glen Greenwald that
put the video out there we'll show it
and then judge threatens Trump with jail
for Court violations I have a job to do
and then we have a story coming out from
uh CNN I mean I don't know if we have
someone qualified to talk about the
story but according to Radar Online
desperate CNN Executives floating idea
of bringing back oued anchor this guy
named Chris KL as ratings continue to
struggle maybe we'll get some commentary
that guyed his
progress it's better than disgraced you
know kicked out desperate you know for
for to know on three different dogs you
know maybe that means like you know they
kind of really are wanting to make an
offer we'll talk about that it's like a
little bucket of bad adjectives you know
listen I may not be a lawyer but I I
think I can act as a good agent and
negotiate on your behalf I think you
know we can do something like that
anyway yeah as if you needed but the
judge thread we talked about that Donald
Trump refuses to debate RFK Jr he's not
a series candidate uh voters reveal
whether they trust Biden or Trump more
to handle issues interesting then you
got this whole thing going on with
campus protest folks it's pretty ugly
what's going on there Columbia cancels
University wide commencement ceremony
after weeks of protest on campus mayor
Adams comes out saying they should be
holding the ceremonies you shouldn't
cave and then meanwhile Jerry Nadler
slams Benjamin Netanyahu as the worst
Jewish leader in
2100 years he literally went back and
you know thought about all the people he
hung outw in 2100 years and he said nety
who's the worst we'll we'll have a
conversation with that as well no he met
both of them bursh birkar Hathaway
operating earnings soared 9 39% as
Buffett's cash hoard you know how much
Buffett's sitting on right now for cash
$188 billion dollar he's sitting on he
can buy a few countries if he wanted to
hey bise this this is me like Bugsy I
want this house get out right yeah
that's one that's one Twitter and a
Starbucks that's right so as summer
approaches so does California law that
will drive restaurant menu prices higher
uh this Bitcoin Trader loses $70 million
after accidentally sending his crypto to
the wrong online account address what an
idiot he lost
97% of his netork sending that anyways
another uh second Boeing whistleblower
dies after raising safety concerns and
Boeing faces 10 more whistleblowers
after to die people's lives are at stake
Buffett fears AI has enormous potential
for harm you'll see that ABC News
president King Goodwin
is stepping down uh we'll see what the
reason is for that Tom Brady's Ro Rose
was absolutely ridiculous uh Tony
hinchcliff crushed we're going to show
some of the cliff Clips Kim Kardashian
uh was
um what was this the whole clip with
what they said to her she got up she got
booed and then you know Chris is here
talking about her resume and just a
fantastic series of events taking place
resume yeah yeah ex Nickelodeon produc
Dan Schneider sues Qui on set creators
for defamation April jobs report shows
cooling Market which should please the
fed him and her CEO backs praise for
anti-er protest after stock drops
automakers question feasibility
California EV IRS folks you ready for
this got some good news for you from the
IR it's always great when they say this
way IRS says audits for rich people in
corporations are about to hit a whole
new level buckle up like they're talking
dirty to you we're coming for you Howard
Schultz has given his successor at
Starbucks advice on LinkedIn he could
have done that on man by the way instead
I don't know why he didn't use man Kevin
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trashing job chances by fighting police
vandalizing school and we got a few
other videos we're going to show you hok
said some stuff about blacks in New York
that I almost I can't believe she said
that but Vinnie is like no Pat I'm
telling you we're going to show you this
video we got that video to show you we
got a couple other videos to show you
and I I don't know if we're going to
show you more videos of christye no for
her hate for certain dogs I don't want
to do that and then Eric Adams uh anyway
so that that's what we got right now
we'll get to that here in a minute
now I think first story before we go
into some of the things we're doing Rob
is the following I want to start off
with the first story here so desperate
CNN exec float's idea of bringing back
oued anchor Chris KOMO as ratings
continue to struggle this is page 12 so
let's see what this offer is I'm
expecting to see a nice offer details
apology public apology but let's see
what it looks like Chris was CNN's best
anchor and his abrupt departure left a
gap and cold the network hasn't been
able to fill an insid or explain to a
national Inquirer there's been a
Changing of the Guard at top levels and
now folks are Whispering about bringing
Chris back the powers that be are
admitting they might have been Hasty
about letting Chris go The Insider added
they're putting out fillers in the hopes
Chris will forgive and forget and come
back to help save the network sources
spilled execs are fearful over CNN's
declining numbers as rival Fox News
remains number one the feeling amongst
the Big Wigs is that Chris could restore
CNN to its previous Glory the the tips
to explain but others aren't happy with
the IDE and see a Chris comeback as a
definite threat a lot of people threw
Chris to the curb after his ouster and
they're the ones who are worrying the
most so Chris what do you have to say
about this ousted Chris KOMO guy here
what a what a terrible world we live in
it's just it's just so many layers of
ugly um I look here's the good news all
right literally none of that is true
literally it just shows you uh you know
Tom and I were talking about this
yesterday you show me the outlet I'll
show you the agenda um you know you're
talking about radar this is this is hot
gossip without basis Anonymous sources
which gives all journalism a bad name um
you know when I look at the picture of
me then I like feel like I don't even
know who that guy is anymore I wish like
I could get in his ear and be like this
is going to get really bad really fast
you're not going to see it and hold on
and you're really going to know who your
friends are and they're going to be few
uh and they're going to be uh valuable I
would never go back and not be because
I'm anti-cnn you guys give me heat about
this all the time uh I'm grateful to the
organization I love the people who are
still there they're good people there
doing the job for the right reason but
in life you know once you reconcile with
why this doesn't kill you to go back to
it is just not the right move um and
yeah part of it is because there are a
lot of people there who said a lot of
things uh that I'll never forget um am I
a vengeful person no not good for me uh
I'm also not what they need by the way
what they have to figure out is what is
their value proposition to the audience
what are we providing on a regular basis
who are you don't think they would
benefit from bringing you back uh look I
think I'm good at what I do I think I
was number one there for a reason um but
I don't think I'm in line with where
they are I am so obsessed with trying to
help bring people together with
conversation uh and to break through the
side and to attack the parties that
wouldn't fit I would wind up being
sideways with other people who were on
air which I don't want to be I think
that's confusing to the audience you
know if like you and I are back to back
and I'm like yeah everything you just
said I believe that you're part of the
problem so I don't think I'm a good fit
but also is that a hint because the
back-to-back guy with you was a guy
named um Don Lemon well look I I loved
working with Don and it hurt uh when you
think somebody's there they're not there
it's complicated I don't I don't judge
it I get it I get what happened um but
we're very different people we see our
jobs very differently I am not here to
see how popular I can become and how
many things I can say that will get me
more likes and some kind of fake
following um to me it's you're in deep
water that you got to look at every day
and say for instance with the campus
stuff this is destroying America we got
to get back to who we are and what we're
about and if you don't like it it's fine
but you got to be called out for it
that's not what a lot of outlets do uh
that's certainly not what he does and I
would rather focus on that than the
glory of being at at CNN which is a huge
huge platform which I'm jealous of by
the way I never knew what I had I didn't
I was valuing dayto day what do I do
today what do I do today how do I stay
on top what's the most relevant thing I
never had a chance to appreciate how
much people cared about me coming out of
the pen pic you know you and I hear it
all the time people say I never was able
to process it before I knew it coming
out of the pandemic all of a sudden my
brother was in the soup and I was in
this desperate position of trying to
help him so I never knew what I had
until you know like the song goes you
don't know what you have till it's gone
so are we talking about going back no it
is absolutely false wow uh they are
doing everything they can for you
everything in the world would you take
it no you wouldn't go back no and not
because I'm bitter double your salary no
you got to move forward you got to move
forward do I want to end the dispute
with them yeah absolutely I always have
wanted to um I'm not the one gaming the
situation uh I don't talk about it out
of respect I could um I don't do that so
you don't have a gag order I do not have
a gag or there's somebody else that
apparently has a gag or we'll get to
that story minut yeah but but stay on
this I'm curious so so have they at all
invited you to do like you know how Don
went back on to do what he did after the
Mustang have you gotten a single invite
no even Jeffrey went back on tug and
tubin not only I will say I don't think
he's willing to do what he did though to
get back CHR has standard I will say
this okay and I'm sure my attorneys are
going to get upset not only are they are
we not talking about going back okay I
am constantly treated like I was the
worst thing I did the worst things out
yeah all the time every chance they have
I was never allowed to talk to my team
again all the people I had there were
not allowed to be part of my life
anymore all the people who were on air
with very very few exceptions ghosted me
because the word
was this is what happened here's the
story it's all of our stories own it if
you want to stay here and it's all bad
for me and they made their choices which
I understand as long as you can live
with it I could never live with going
back to a place where I have so much
beef with so many people and now I'm I'm
supposed to be part of a team because I
believe in that one of the things I love
about being with you guys is being able
to observe how authentic it is uh
differences of course of course but
you're here for a purpose when I look on
that uh on the pbd truck and it's
Empower Enlighten educate you mean it
you guys Focus everything through that
lens it's a team concept I think that's
way more powerful than being a huge star
and I like the idea of being part of a
team how can I go back and be part of a
team that made a decision to see me as a
bad person um I that doesn't make sense
in my head so going back is not a
possibility it has never been discussed
I definitely want to end the beef
because I don't want to be sideways with
CNN or with any organization I want to
move on with my life um I do believe
that this is going to get uglier because
eventually we're going to have to tell
the story of who went bad on me and why
they made up a story about me lying
about helping my brother um that never
happened and my boss who fired me and
the guy who told them to fire me both
know that never happened so the idea of
them help asking me to come back they're
not asking me to come back they're
asking me to shut up and crawl away and
die okay so let me let me let me go with
this I think this is a perfect
transition to go into the story because
I want to show something that was uh uh
going uh uh viral on U uh Twitter a few
years ago from a clip with you and Byron
I want to bring that up I want to get
your thoughts on a commentary on it but
first I want to show you this I want to
show you the story that comes out uh
from uh if you can pull up the clip yes
so reports daily wire issued gag order
against Candace Owens during public uh
debate negotiations right okay so let me
read this story because you know I'm
sure you have great feedback to give to
both sides on this so conservative news
and commentary out that the daily wire
has reportedly obtained gag order
against former podcast host cand Owens a
news reported allegations alleges
despite company co-founder Ben shapir
claiming that he wanted to debate her on
the Israel Palestine issue Owens
threeyear stint at the daily wire ended
in March following months of tensions
between the professional Pro provocator
and her fellow Network personalities the
subject of the Israel Hamas Hamas was
proved to be particularly divisive issue
for Owens and Shapiro Owens has taken a
Firm Stance against that American
involvement in Foreign Wars including
the one in Gaza Shapiro and Orthodox je
has criticize other Republicans for
their declining support for both Israel
and Ukraine stressing America's national
security interest in both conflicts
after multiple social media about do you
have a video of that as well Rob on what
he says or no I do I have Glenn
Greenwald reporting okay goad him have
that video if you if you can play
Glenn's go for it immediately after
Candace Owens went to Twitter and said
I'd like to have a debate with Ben
shapir about Israel the Del wire ran
into an arbitration
proceeding and requested that an
arbitrator put a gag order on Candace
Owens and Order her blocked banned from
criticizing the deli wire or bench Piro
in any
way and none of this was disclosed by
the deli wire they had led Their
audience to believe that they actually
wanted a debate with Candace Owens and
yet at the same time in secret they were
arguing to the
arbitrator that the way in which Candace
Owens asked for this debate the
expressions of criticism she had voiced
about Ben Shapiro the fact that she had
liked multiple tweets that were
criticizing Ben Shapiro in the deli wire
meant that Candace Owens by negotiating
and asking for this debate had in fact
engaged in disparagement of the deli
wire in a way that violated her contract
and they therefore convinced an
arbitrator in
secret that they were likely to win if
they Su Candace Owens for breach of
contract and the only remedy possible
would be to gag Candace Owens talking
about Del wire anyway critically I mean
it's a chicken ship so so what do you
what do what do you think about
that okay I like it I'll I'll tell you
what I like the move this is a very
smart move by the daily wire you got to
remember it's not Ben Shapiro anymore he
made his decision organizations protect
themselves and when they have a contract
with you they will immediately do this
now Glenn the truth is enough Glenn
doesn't have to say they went in in
secret arbitration is what it is you
know what I mean it's in your contract
so it's not like they're sneaking around
but so you know he doesn't need that
drama to it but the reality is you're
saying one thing to me but now you got
your boys exercising a right on my
contract and you have to look at the
reason why okay the daily wire doesn't
believe that Shapiro wins the debate
with Candace Owens you you think they
believe that 100 otherwise there's no
reason to do it wow if this is working
for you you let it go right because the
theory is Vinnie and Patrick get
sideways and you believe that you got
sideways with him for good reason you
want people to know yeah good let Vinnie
talk about why we got sideways good he's
there everyone's going to understand why
we did what we did that's what Ben
Shapiro has been saying everybody's
going to understand that Candace Owens
has positions that are not just
incorrect but morally wrong in a way
that Ben Shapiro says matters he's not
just another corporate guy it's not just
another company now but in fact it is
just another company and the company
decided we lose if he goes toe-to-toe
with Candace Owens so shut her up and
they have the right to do it because of
the contract you you you think there was
a meeting where they sat down and are
you saying like a Ben prompting saying I
don't want to do this debate do you
think it's a Jeremy thing saying we we
shouldn't do this debate is it what that
type of a conversation or is it like
something everybody's thinking nobody
wants to say to hurt someone's ego so
they're like look we got to do this and
we got to do protect the company you
think it's second second I think it's
this guy I think it's the super smart
guy who sitting on the outside is who
you're talking about he's he's the face
and the scent I mean he's he's
distractingly good smelling like I can't
make a point talk about Tom technical
not Vinnie is not but he's technically
Tom is sitting and listening being like
Oh yeah this is this is this is great
drama uh I represent the organization
which is now a huge organization with a
lot of investors
putting money on us we lose on this shut
her down and that's what they're doing
and now Candace has to make a decision
she has to now listen to her
representative saying well what's my
exposure because in terms of the
argument I feel like well no let's go
let's take the gloves off let's let's
see who's who and she's going to have
someone like me you know a lawyer say to
her no we lose we we have in our
contract an arbitration Clause uh
they've gone in there we lost the
argument on whether or not we can talk
about the proceedings so they're going
to sanction you and it's going to hurt
you in the process of what our lose on
substance or on policy meaning I've
never seen Ben Shapiro lose a debate
this guy knows what he's talking about
oh I've seen him lose
especially really oh yeah he says a lot
of things that are just overstating
propositions especially you don't think
Candace does that oh 100% look that's
the job if you want to be a provocator
if you want to be an out rage machine
you're going to stretch no question
about she's amazing by the way I think
that she is a very talented she's going
to whoop you next time your ass homie
she can bring it I have no problem with
her bringing it especially when it's in
good faith look the problem for Ben
Shapiro is this MH he's been very quiet
okay that's the first tell this is not a
quiet Guy this is very personal to him
uh his faith is the center of uh his
person and that's fine uh he is
defending controversial propositions
okay they are not controversial to him I
get it but what he has done is allowed
something that's supposed to be personal
to become about business and I think
that that's going to be a bad look for
him so so you know what this you know
what this analogy but I do like the move
I like the move this is kind of like I
understand it's a power move but you
threw it out there boom boom boom we got
her perfect hey lawyers look what she
just said boom go through you know it's
kind of like hey gaged another ,000 look
what he just said on that interview same
exact thing Trump is going through is
kind of Dar but here's the part in
school there's a fight okay and one guy
says after school yeah I'll see you
after school 3:00 at 3:00 after school
that's right behind the football stadium
right okay great so you go 3:00 after
school you meet the one shows up okay
and the other one shows up with the
principal that's exactly what that is
one gets suspended
okay for a week from school but the one
that got suspended got Street Credit
yeah that's how it works I'm just
telling you and that's exactly it but I
mean if this is true if it's true
allegedly allegedly but if you think
about it look at what this situation to
me exposed the hell out of not only Ben
but daily wire as well because think
think about the hypocrisy too all this
stuff like hey you want to debate debate
get the lawers involved then a couple
days I think it was yesterday uh Shapiro
makes a video supporting elon's
reinstatement
of Nick Fuentes on X if you want to talk
about anti-semitic and anti-jewish how
are you going to flipflop and now say
you know what I'm happy that elon's
letting him get on there of all really
who said that Ben Shapiro made a video
going hey I to be fair he to be fair he
also said the following which you have
to understand what he said he said in an
interview with Dave Rubin he says we're
not a platform we're a publisher yeah
okay so Nick Fuentes being reinstated on
Twitter that's a platform he can say
that and he's kind of dancing I
understand what you're saying but he's
also saying we're a publisher we we
don't you know we don't want Candace to
say what she's saying here we can fire
him regardless of that position you lose
both ways though 100% regardless what
you say you're losing with both
arguments the thing with Ben and Candace
I would argue there's there's policy and
there's personality I would say that Ben
is a technical policy guy Candace
amazing marketer amazing personality but
the biggest question is the following
what is the hill you're willing to die
on we've seen since covid people take
stances on what they're willing to die
in the single Focus that has a primary
importance to them Ben has been exposed
and I'm not saying this is a good or bad
thing the hill he's willing to die on is
Israel is Israel 1,00% so with
Candice what is her Hill my question is
has a bunch of is it is it anti- BLM
true is it America first true
at one point the literal Hill she was
going to die on was exposing Emanuel
macron's wife as a man she said the
following that she'd willing to bet her
entire career on it so I'm just
wondering if this debate happens how
that would all Play here's my but see I
I I think bed was exposed because the
Israel thing that was his head exploding
no for for months we had to hear this
freaking guy and his voice got more
annoying Candice is Michael Jackson Bad
she she has she has she focuses here bro
hang out with her she this girl is a
freaking a sponge she wants a like like
a little kid she wants a no no no and
then by the way one week she's doing
this one week it's this one day it she
doesn't have a hill Adam she has
multiple Hills that she can attack all
of them but everyone it's like they're
siblings they're they're twins I love
her she's hilarious what are your
thoughts on because I I have one
question I want to ask K and I
specifically want to get your thoughts
and your thoughts Tom on it go for well
strategically I agree with Chris this is
good for daily wire strategically
however ever what happens in the Public
Square daily wire there's two fights
here daily wire in the legal ring just
won a 15 round decision where the entire
crowd looks at it and said man that
sucks that's not right and the brand and
the pr daily wire suffered a second
round knockout Big W that's what
happened because everybody's looking at
Daily wire looking at going man you guys
just look bad you were trying people
that don't understand the chessboard of
legal and contracts and everything are
looking at this saying oh you didn't
want to debate and you did that man you
went to some judge to do that that is
what a lot of people see that's a
knockout for the brand that's not where
I want to be Ben looks bad Jeremy looks
bad Dy wire looks bad a question and all
she has to do is stand there and say I
can't talk about it and she looks she
looks fine and but legally it's a 15
round decision look at it and say yeah
man question for you so can a media
company historically you guys lived in
America longer than I have I've only
been here since 199 so I don't have a
lot of history prior to that of what
happened here except from the books I've
read can a has a media company ever had
a fatal moment a fatal a career-ending
moment I would argue that CNN has which
has dropped below MSNBC in the ratings
has lost their identity we saw the
the documentary of the book call me Ted
I would argue that where is CNN now I
just quite frankly we all know where I
stand moderate middle unifier type of
guy I I have a mixed media diet I watch
CNN for two people Cuomo and who I think
is the most brilliant guy in TV fared
Zakaria I literally don't watch CNN
after Cuomo left and and fared only is
on on Sunday where the hell is CNN these
days so you think I don't think I don't
think CNN is fatal though because I
think I think if if you know if we had
the kind of resources and we were able
to make an offer to buy a CNN and bring
it in and I know somebody else is
running it from the top I think there's
something that CU I I think if you can
go back to what Ted Turner wanted to
build I think there's a chance and then
it's no longer CNN it's a rebranding I'm
asking fatal I'm asking fatal like Vice
fatal I I don't remember saying now Vice
went out of business for a lot of
reasons but I mean if you're talking
about like fatal on a controversy no
personalities and produc have endured
fatal moments Dan freaking rather got
absolutely kicked to the curb over the
the George W bush story and it was him
his researcher and producer who all got
together and decided to stretch the
facts and spin them to make W look bad
and the fires of Hell came back at them
and then the network talking about Dan
Rather he just he was the successor he
was the the next big anchor that came
after the years of kronite well I mean
Dan was a big deal is a big deal history
uh thus far has been kind to him he's
making a comeback oh yeah I mean he's
huge Dan Rather he's huge on years old I
know but I'm saying that as to to he's a
legend in the game to Pat's point of
course he's a legend but to Pat's point
about the brand uh his brand is strong
um why well the the test of time and
perspective uh CBS threw him under the
bus that happens when it's about you or
me in a corporate setting that's what's
happening at the daily wire also is that
the corporation has to win and the way
that they win is by shutting Candace
down and they have the right to make
that happen whether or not you think
it's right so he goes down now in terms
of whether or not you've ever seen a
kill shot to an entire brand uh probably
not because they get rid of somebody
they blame somebody Brian Williams was
that NBC M NBC he gets busted Right For
What I wasn't that impressed with by the
way he just forgot that he was telling a
story that wasn't really true and he had
told it so many times that like he
forgot that he was telling a story that
he had kind of made up um in the
helicopter in live fire and I and and
they I saw bodies floating by yeah and
they wind up bringing him back onto
MSNBC rehabilitate him because his buddy
wound up being in control so what's the
point that individuals get taken down
Brands usually exist to Pat's Point CNN
is a huge and valuable brand uh are they
internationally well more than
domestically and domestically because
let me tell the right owner needs to own
it cuz let me tell you something I'm
saying currently they're a mess but you
Adam I asked fatal okay right fatal and
as long as people look even me I don't
think it's warranted that people have as
many strong opinions about me as they do
but as long as they do MH there is value
to that if people watch you every week
and every time your show is on because
they love you great if they watch you
because they can't wait to see what
things are going to make you make them
crazy good there's no difference to the
value of the brand uh CNN just like
MSNBC uh just like Fox people are
figuring out the sweet spot in the
social dialogue and the cultural chaos
to pick their spot my problem with that
is you shouldn't be looking for a lane
the mistake is looking for Lane because
you wind up inevitably favoring a side
and then it becomes who do you want to
oppress to Tom's Point who does the
daily wire want to impress conservatives
if it's their advertising base they made
the right move advertisers don't like
this kind of controversy now the problem
is the whole reason that Shapiro makes
money the whole reason Candice makes
money is
controversy you got to take swings at
things that are absurd because look at
the comments love hate it's all feeling
nobody says on his laptop it says facts
don't care about your feelings please
take the sticker off all you care about
is feeling all you care about is making
people provoking them into a very strong
thing and if that's what you're about
logic is boring yeah I I I I hope uh um
they I think sometime when some like
this happens um they'll never debate by
the way it'll never happen you you
either one you stick to your guns and
you have to change your approach who you
get your money from and then you have to
go and see who you need to now go get to
replace a Candice in a market I don't
know okay two then this could lead into
even more internal battles with people
talking internally who liked a Candace
to say hey what happened here maybe that
can happen to me as well maybe not I'm
just saying that could be another
possibility but I think Adam I see your
hand I'll come to you I see your hand so
the other possibility is is the fact
that you know if if they if they choose
to really um you know go to what they've
done well over the years they they
didn't get to where they are right now
by pure luck no you don't build daily
Wire by pure luck I remember first time
I was in LA and I went to a studio in
Sherman Oaks and him and I sat down we
did something together and I seen him go
from there to where they are now and the
the kind of eyeballs and subscriptions
and things that they've done the you
know what is a woman all these different
documentaries that they've done they've
built something significant for
themselves that they can grow every
operator makes mistakes every business
owner makes mistakes you just can't make
the Fatal ones that's the only thing you
can't make the Fatal ones and insurance
compliance could be fatal Finance
compliance Enron Andy fast out 100,000
oh they'll never go out of business boom
you can't make the Fatal mistakes that's
the only thing I'm saying you can in
life make a lot of mistakes you cannot
make the Fatal ones the Fatal ones
sometimes can you know
uh completely especially in the media
space there's you know how they say well
it's good controversy there is no such
thing as bad controversy as long as
they're talking about us our brand is
getting bigger maybe it's true this
could be a case study in the next three
years five years we look back and say
hey kind of worked out in their favor or
you can look back and say they R SC you
got your answer is that their big brains
made a decision that the daily wire will
not die on the hill of defending the IDF
that's not that's not going to be what
we're known for no matter how strong
Shapiro is in his faith and the
projection of that onto Israel right cuz
they're different things um they're
related obviously but they're different
um wait you're saying the owner said
they're not going to die on the hill you
are not going to daily wire is not going
to be known as the IDF defense machine
you don't think so that's that's why
they shut Candace up if they wanted to
be the IDF defense machine we're all in
with Israel we're taking on the cause of
they'd be they'd be debating it right
here they would have had you moderate
you would have been a perfect choice for
them and he would have been up there and
they would have gone all in on saying
okay you tell me again why Israel is
conducting a genocide and I'm going to
slice it like cheese as a poor argument
that is just meant to anger people
against the Jews that's what they'd be
doing they're doing the opposite very
interesting very interesting Adam go
ahead well Ben isn't the only
personality on The Daily wire CU Matt
Walsh has a very different position more
of an isolator position um Matt NOS has
a different position they have different
positions so Ben it does not equal daily
wire but I'm going to push back on the
CNN thing maybe it's not fatal or lethal
but it's in my opinion incurable why
would I say such a thing um it's costly
uh it's crippling how do you go from
being the number one cable news Outlet
to number three in a matter of a decade
how the hell do you do that Fox News is
now number one by far you have Greg
Gutfeld Greg no my apologies the least
funniest late night guy out there numer
Uno Kimmel Fallon col Bear all funny
famous people second third fourth place
sayn funny but funnier than uh Gutfeld
guy I mean apparently not so exactly
they've been they've been so segmented
so my question to our friend Chris is
how the hell do you save CNN who's their
lead anchor what do they stand for you
said the following I want to go to the
next story we're 40 minutes 45 minutes
but show me an outlet show me your
agenda agenda yeah okay we're at 45
minutes I want to go to the next one we
got like 19 stories to go through but
here's what I want to do what I will say
to you Adam on the on the incurable so
here's a question for you do you think
if musk buys CNN it can be
saved um that give percent support 20%
okay fair do you think if uh I don't
know because their crowd is not an Elon
Musk fan their crowd has skewed so far
left the moderates and the people to the
right literally hate CNN this is the one
the most reasonable moderate men I've
ever met and he's getting skewered the
right way I I just think like organ
sports teams that go through a terrible
mistake that they make with a player or
political whatever you restructure GM
coaches like look Clippers cannot be
saved they were saved Clippers were
saved because of ownership change and a
new guy came in and once the last time
we thought about Donald Sterling forc
him to sell it for 2.2 billion I believe
in capitalism and I believe daily wire
can make but I do think there needs to
be some changes in management that's all
I'm saying I think they can do something
but those are tough decisions to make
the board is going to have a hard time
having those types of conversations some
some moves you make are fatal if you
don't quickly try to resolve it it's
just going to be taking a longer to
recover from it that's all I'm saying
all right so there's a video I want to
show you with Byron Donald's and you
that resurfaced that has gone uh uh uh
Haywire all over the place with Co I
don't want to play it right now this
video here everybody retweeted how come
Chris is not responding to this why is
Chris and by the way you and I haven't
even talked about this I haven't even
preped that I'm showing this video it's
important for the audience to know that
this isn't like we sit here hey Chris
I'm going to tee you up with this video
and say this not a single thing about
this video you you said something Rob
when did I text you the video about
Byron Donalds I can tell you the exact
time it was um watch this 9:19 a.m. the
reason why this is important the reason
why that's very important is because
because you said something you made me
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I show it to you before I show it to you
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I want to show you with Byron Donald's
that went viral this week rob you can
pull that up so this video here is a
video if we can get the date this is how
many let's see what Chief can you can
you go back up to see when this video is
this video is from 2021 let me read it
from Chief nerd he's a he's great at
posting these types of things now that
you have left Cen and Chris and started
providing more balanced view on covid
vaccines including the serious harm that
can cause would you be willing to
apologize for interviews like this one
from 2021 the mainstream
media denial of natural immunity claims
that the vaccine would stop infection
transmission and complete a mission a
potential risk caused Great harm in our
society people lost careers relationship
loved ones and Trust in our institutions
due to it harmful propaganda your
apology would show a lot of Courage that
frankly your peers have lacked all right
play the clip it's 2 minutes go for it
everybody should know that about you
Byron Donald you are not telling people
to get vaccinated you are not pushing it
you are not saying it's the right choice
you're saying you're not doing it and
your family is not doing it and you're
leaving out of the equation that you can
make other people sick as if that
doesn't matter okay Chris did you not
just hear my answer 30 seconds ago where
I said if you want to be protected from
these variants and the original Str prot
go get vaccinated I promote you to do
that I just told you live on your own
show that if you want to get vacinated
America go do it but if there are
Americans like myself who choose not to
please don't berate me for doing that
that is a personal choice I have made my
own healthare I am allowed to do that
I'm entitled to do thaton you're
absolutely right to do it you have a
right to do it two different statements
okay do you have the right of course
nobody's debating that except you guys
as a false Choice what I'm saying is is
it right to do it have you spoken to a
doctor you're supposed to be a leader
have you talked to the CDC and the
people people who are in Florida at the
Department of Health about whether or
not they think you made a good choice
because if your answer is just then well
I don't care what they say this is me
I'm an American that is being dumb as a
proxy for being bold and I don't think
it's a good message because remember
it's not just you protecting yourself
it's you protecting me and other people
from you that's why you get vaccinated
not just for yourself important
distinction go ahead actually the way
vaccines work work are to protect
yourself a vaccine that basically gives
you a special cocoon where you actually
limit the worst harmful effects of the
virus itself or may not get it all
together depending on your own personal
physiology so that's the way vaccines
work now to me personally I did talk to
a couple of doctors that I know about it
I told them I already had it and I'm 42
what do you think and they said yeah
you're fine if that's what you want to
do go ahead and do it they didn't come
and say no no you have to do it because
of everybody else because if other
people want to be protected they have
access to vaccine
go get the vaccine I would never tell
anybody not to get vaccinated I do
totally support it if that's what
somebody chooses to do I don't know why
this is hard it's that simple oh listen
I totally agree with you it is very
simple I think you're making it hard
because you're seeing some kind of
righteousness and a choice to do
something that doesn't make a whole lot
of sense but again that's your right
what I'm saying is something else you're
wrong about how vaccines work you're
only giving part of the prophylaxis okay
the other aspect to why you take the
vaccine is it also reduces not
completely nothing is perfect and
certainly this vaccine is not but it
also reduces your ability to communicate
the virus and make other people infected
that part matters
too okay not us resurfacing we've had
conversations we've talked about covid
uh Tom and I are talking about the long
vaccine and what that's doing a lot of
my friends are going through it and I'm
sorry long not long vaccine forgive me
long covid a lot of friends are talking
about it we're 40 50 you know you're
sitting there saying hey what the hell
is going on my body what's changed from
that conversation with you and Byron to
where you are today well a lot has
changed uh and a lot needs to change
that hasn't uh here's what matters to me
about the clip apology of course not um
Byron Donalds comes on my show now okay
why exchange of respect uh was never
personal I believe as a leader at that
time uh you had a duty uh to be thorough
in what you were putting out there as
opposed to just playing politics okay
this was never as simple as vaccine good
vaccine bad politics made it that uh and
it put us into a toxic environment no
pun intended where even today there's no
curiosity about the vaccine you get a ve
system which is is very imperfect and
you don't have robust government
dialogue or investigation of the vaccine
you don't have political investigation
of what happened during the pandemic
what was right what was wrong to
Vinnie's point about what's still
continuing about who wants to control
what because they only see politics they
only see Advantage my concern is that
the unknowns are now more dangerous than
the known so what's changed since then I
don't have long vaccine people are
saying saying I've admitt no no no long
vaccine I've people are saying I've
admitted that the vaccine hurt me I have
not admitted that I don't know that do I
now believe that we have data to support
the fact that there are thousands of
people who have had adverse effects that
are not getting attention let alone
treatment yes and I fault government for
that I do have what they call Long Co
now I say they call because the
government you know it's funny after
that clip I got called by government
people bitching at me because I said
that the vaccine wasn't perfect so oh
wow that's where we were then that's
where we were then but they say hey
Chris easy on the long Co we don't know
that it's a thing we we don't know we're
still trying to figure it out it could
be other things autoimmune that so I'm
saying my doctors say I have long covid
I have the symptoms they showed me my
blood work scared the beesus out of me
to see this glowing micro clot stuff
that they see in my blood that it really
shook me up so I'm doing all the
protocols um my doctor terrain uh health
or International Consortium because they
have to do it themselves because the
government's not giv them any
guidance the
vaccine is a really important
conversation that's being ignored I do
not fault myself for telling people at
the time what the government was giving
us as best practices people say but your
job is to question on what basis the
basis of questioning early on was
because I say so because you don't get
to tell me what to do or not do fine I
say you are right I said it then however
you can't expect to be everywhere and do
everything that the government is
controlling because you're not going to
your kids aren't going to be able to be
in school just like is true today in
terms of what your State's vaccine
protocol is that was my point what this
guy and others want me to do is to say I
was wrong the vaccine is dead I'm not
going to say that the data is
overwhelming that when the vaccine
entered our population the people going
into the hospital with very serious or
eventually terminal cases was
reduced now at what cost and why we
don't know am I open to that yes if I
were a propagandist I wouldn't be doing
the reporting that I'm doing right now I
started a substack that is only about
this where I am letting you see what my
doctor is saying and what we're doing on
my own dime because I believe in it I'll
tell you something else that's going to
get you a a lot of hits I am taking a um
what do they call it like a a regular
dose you know whatever they they're
trying to build up of ior mechon ior
mechon was a boogeyman early on in Co
you couldn't talk about it that was
wrong we were given bad information
about ior mechon the real question is
why everyone's going to say Joe Rogan
was right no Joe Rogan was saying yeah
he was right but that's that's not what
matters what matters is the entire
clinical Community knew that Iver mechon
couldn't hurt you they knew it Patrick I
know they knew it how do I know because
now I'm doing nothing but talking to
these clinicians who at the time were
overwhelmed by Co and they weren't
saying anything not that they were
hiding anything but it's cheap it's not
owned by anybody and it's used as an
antimicrobial antiviral in all of these
different ways and has been for a long
time for malaria for over almost 20
years yeah so and my doctor who who is
now my doctor was using it during covid
on her family and on patients and it was
working for them so they were wrong to
play scared on that didn't know that at
the time know it now admit it now
reporting on it now cuz I think that's
the job the idea that well you were a
vaccine proponent why wouldn't I have
been a vaccine proponent now there are
questions oh no but I knew at the time
no you didn't what you knew was that
there were people telling you to be
resistant to what the government was
telling you to do that's fine but I
think for Byron Donalds and for other
leaders that's not the standard the
standard is what is the basis of you
telling people it's okay if you don't
take it and I felt that he didn't have a
good basis it was well I'm playing
politics and on the right um there's a
growing uh thing the only thing I've
ever seen Trump booed for By His base is
what M I think you should take the
vaccine but nobody nobody judges Trump
for interestingly let me ask you a
question so uh no I I I fully agree with
you there and I think that there's a
part of uh Trump's base that goes to RFK
because of him saying that so I think I
think that's the part that he that team
needs to be careful when every time they
brag about vaccine cuz RFK wins every
time he does that right and you know
what RFK says when you say to him are
you anti- the vaccine he says no no yeah
but however nobody's chasing him however
he no wait a minute but however he'll
tell you the fact that the first case of
autism was in 1943 right after we
increased the amount of vaccine dosages
were taken and how many people we have
now used to be one out of five time
he'll give you that data but I want to
ask you a question my challenge was the
following my challenge was okay vaccine
here take it like how much research have
we done on the covid vaccine no no it's
it's good we're ready take it like bro
I'm not ready to take it right now I
want to see a little bit more to see
what's going to happen to people right
okay so say
2026 Co 2.0 shows up okay from another
lab in China whatever they release it
okay because Trump's president and
they're sick of it and they want him out
ASAP and it worked last time let's do it
again okay they released it whoever they
is okay whoever they is China whoever we
want to talk about
right Co comes out now we have five 5
years 5 and a half years almost 6 years
of experiencing with vaccine and we know
the research and the results you're
working at wherever you're working at
the time let's just say you're doing
cable withun Nation okay I'm at VT baby
you're at V that's right but but but
you're talking covid vaccine 2026 yeah
would you be as staunch supporter of
people taking a vaccine like you were in
that clip with uh Byron absolutely not
okay because we know more now and most
importantly what I know now and I'm tell
you look I'm not going to betray all my
sources cuz that's the way my job works
but I promise you if you believe nothing
else about me nobody has less cover of
ignorance about what was happening
during covid and the pandemic than I do
I was looped in with everyone the people
who created the antibodies um I was
talking on a regular basis NIH the head
of operation Morp speed the head of the
vaccin I was talking to these people all
the time okay why because I was known
for going through the
illness what has
changed they now know that they have
questions to answer which they are
refusing to answer the first thing I
would do if God forbid there were
another pandemic which by the way
they're warning us they're telling us
it's coming this would be the first
thing I don't want to move off where
this came from and who made it and how
it is I'm not moving off I don't care
how many cases are spreading we we know
how to deal with that and we know it's
going to be incomplete we know we're
going to have problems once the virus is
going to beat us so we know that so
let's not panic about that where did it
come
from did why did China do this I don't
believe that it came from a wet market
so now let's flip it now you prove to me
that it was benign that it was innocent
let's stay on that let's not do what
Trump did for good bad reason no reason
which was
China Good China good they're doing
great they're working with us love China
to China bad China virus what changed
his very keen sense of advantage that I
need a bad guy because I said this was
going to go away and now it's spreading
like wildfire can't be on me although
I'm the president and the Buck's
supposed to stop here let me find a bad
guy China I say fine you want them to be
the bad guy stay on it that's the first
thing that I would do that I haven't
done the second thing I would do is what
I'm doing right now
every time I have somebody on who is
involved with the government and I can't
get anybody at the ni NIH now I can get
Tony fouchy on the phone they want to
make him a boogeyman Tony fouchy goes
over every piece of research that I say
uh that I send to him and tells me I
think you should go this way I think you
should the the stuff that came out from
the New York Times all right Tony won't
be upset at me uh for betraying this
confidence uh I say I think there are
enough people out here that they should
be asking questions he says well the the
analysis gets stuck on well every
vaccine has side effects so in terms of
how the system works they're not curious
because well every vaccine has side
effects and by percentage given how many
people we gave this vaccine we're doing
pretty good so they're not curious I am
curious and not just because I'm sick
because I had my symptoms that they're
calling long covid now before I got
vaccinated so I don't know that it's the
vaccine but I know that there's enough
to know that there should be a 911
Commission style review of what happened
during the pandemic because we screwed
up everything yeah everything was
screwed up now people want to seize on
the vaccine and they'll accuse me of
word salad and not wanting to go back I
have no reason I wish it were as simple
as me saying Pat I was wrong we have all
this these facts now about the vaccine
that uh I should have been saying do you
think you were spooked by your peers at
CNN and your bosses I've never been
spooked but you know what okay so let me
ask this other question do you think if
if you and I all of a sudden get this
desire to go want want to go party with
ravers for 90 days every day okay I
don't know why but let's just say it
happens and every day they're doing
ecstasy and Coke and we're with them
24/7 for 90 days how long before we were
tempted to do cocaine and ecstasy I
think I'm tempted before you you
probably slap me in the side of the head
which is why I don't do it yeah but but
the point is we're both at one point be
so the the point I'm trying to make to
you is do you think there was an element
of group think yes yes okay that's
that's what people want to hear because
I think you know it was it was kind of
like what the what what do you guys
you know you know what what are we
saying here with yeah you know this
thing's going Rachel matter the
highlights I don't want to play the
highlight real you've seen it many times
that goes viral oh it's going to it's
going to prevent you from actually
getting boom boom she had it wrong
people put up clips of me all the time
the fox got suit 800 million for
freaking Dominion how much is CNN MSNBC
this is different this is different
there's a material difference okay uh
what fox got jammed up for was knowing
something wasn't the way that they were
reporting It But continuing to report it
that way for Advantage you're saying the
people at the MSNBC ABC CBS CNN didn't
know that some of this stuff was real
I'm saying that the media would love to
take new information and use it to hang
the government's position I mean that
the media loves doing that right so if
we had found out during the time that
hey you know uh they actually don't know
how this uh technology Works in this
vaccine we would have gone crazy on it
because uh the media feeds on
accountability especially when it's lwh
hanging fruit what I'm saying is was
their group think yes because we didn't
have a reason to be suspicious you know
the the Reagan trust but verify there's
no data oh but uh we've never had this
vaccine before that's not true they were
saying the reason operation warp speed
happened so fast is one Trump made it
happen fast he removed uh you know
obstacles bureaucratic obstacles right
everybody was praising him for it and
that's one thing I want people to
remember you want to come at me come at
me that's why I'm here but you do not go
after your people the way that you go
after me for the same things even if
they had much more responsibility for
what was going on than I would ever have
I'm a journalist I wasn't creating
policy but warp speed happened really
fast because they also knew the
technology and they'd been playing with
it for so long and they were able to get
it done now have they had the right
level the requisite level of curiosity
going forward no and how do we know
because the recommendations of how often
you have to be vaccinated have you
noticed how quiet it's gotten yeah that
they're not pushing the bo listen you
just defended fouchy and then you threw
Trump under the bus indirectly and you
said you know the buck stops with you
you're trying to find a boogeyman to
blame China and then at the same time I
don't think he was pro-china because to
say he's Pro China he gave more tariffs
to China than anybody else every other
day he was praising them early on no but
what I'm what I'm he
wasn't the the the position he had with
China China was always a person that he
kept at a distance like this by giving
him tariff so he wasn't like friend
that's on the business trade side I'm
saying on covid early on you could just
Google it early on he was saying they're
being so Cooperative this is great
China's being great then it spread like
wildfire he shuts down China from
traveling in Nancy Pelosi goes and says
this guy is a goes to China don't listen
to him don't listen and then Anthony
fouchy if but he was wrong she was wrong
was Fouch she was way more wrong was
wrong a ton they were all wrong because
they were making guesses and also but
let's just be you know let's just call
it straight science is not politics
there should have never been white coats
forward- facing the American people and
telling us what to do and not do these
were political judgments and here's why
it doesn't work they're saying uh it's
it's here it's here it's on the table
everybody's cleaning everything they're
all these cleaning teams cleaning
everything
it was like bed bugs times a million now
they realize it's aerosolized and they
change it everybody on the right uses it
as a sword and says oh you can't believe
them they changed their story that's
science they learned something different
about how the virus is communicating
they use guilt like no other
ex-girlfriends or you know people have
used on you the the the guilt they used
on you was a 100 times more powerful
than a middle eastern mother uses on
their kids that was a level of guilt
you'll never see it was
unbelievable I was put in the weirdest
situations where the amount of animosity
it created the position you had how
could you you're okay with your
grandmother dying you're okay with your
dad dying you're okay with this I'm like
dude just stop with this nonsense guilt
approach and you know what it did I
don't have any I I understood why you
were upset at that but I wasn't doing
that saying you I was talking to Byron
about his role
heing look if people didn't want to
masks I said all right fine then don't
we The Mask but understand they're going
to jam you up I got jammed up from
coming back from a run without a mask on
when I walked into my building and
somebody called the New York Post and
they say you're a hypocrite no I'm not a
hypocrite I was taking a run go in and I
said you got a choice to make I haven't
had all the boosters why because my
doctor said you keep getting this thing
we're looking at your blood you're you
have so many antibodies that we don't
know what the vaccine would do for you
as opposed to to you so don't take it
what my doctor said can I say something
here Tom uh uh uh we'll follow up on
this do you have anything you want to
say about this Tom or no you look like
you're want to say something yeah I I I
you know history gives everybody ability
to look back but your voice change your
voice change a little bit I want the
main Tomo back bring Tom
back back I I think I think history
history allows you to go back and do a
lot of things but at the time it was
pretty shrill and it was panicked and I
believe that the media was shrill and
panicked and towing the line that was
there and yes you can say it was science
and and science came forward but you
also had people coming and and and
posting papers that were very cogent
saying look the fastest vaccine prior to
this for something like this ever was
the m and it took this long well this is
different we have M mRNA technology and
we know all this but there was so much
that we didn't know and there were there
were clotting uh there was data about
people that were suffering clotting very
quickly and so for the scientists I
wanted to say hey it's just science it's
not on the table now it's aerosol now we
know those same scientists were were not
looking at some of the things and side
effects that were happening to people
very immediately and they didn't want
that science cuz the narrative was
locked down and I think it was really
shrill and um I I I think history gives
us the ability to go back and look at it
but I think history also gives us an
opportunity to go back and look at it
and saying if it happened again right
now I'm not doing this and I'm not doing
that but I mean f fouchi uh and I know
Chris I mean you're cool with them I
personally don't like him at all uh I
I've had videos I've sent rob a long
time ago him sitting in an interview
saying ma laughing maths don't work in a
pandemic it do it might stop a droplet
it doesn't work 2 months later where
mask everybody mask he's wearing a mask
thring out the first pitch Outdoors by
himself on the mount and then he changes
and then he goes three yeah and then he
goes put three on and I also think when
it comes to a big network was fizer uh
um Advertiser for CNN I don't know which
whatever whoever was selling this drug
the vaccine I'm pretty sure they have
meetings with with the higher up saying
Hey listen we're selling this vaccine
tell everybody it's good and it's cool
cuz me personally Chris you know I have
high blood pressure I guarantee you if I
had the vaccine I'd be in really bad
shape right now and I'd probably die I'm
I'm I know it in my heart of hearts and
they tried to push it on me and they
tried to tell me people in Los Angeles
were like you are you're the problem
they're like I'm a dead serious somebody
told me terrorism we don't give a
about that it's people like you like I
was the threat to people thank God I
didn't listen thank God I was patient
because I'm like how what what how can
we trust the science when there hasn't
been enough time to test it out they go
on what they know at the time look my
only beef with this is I agree with what
Vinnie is saying although you know look
you can't know what happens you have the
vaccine or not but I understand why
you're playing um careful about it
because you have an existing condition
you're worried about it I get it and Tom
of course hindsight it's 2020 you know
surprise surprise what I'm saying is
this I have no problem with people
criticizing what was done just be across
the board about it you show me Fox News
putting out a different level of concern
than CBS was or CNN or whatever your
boogeyman is show me you will not show
me Republican lawmakers in positions of
prominence saying I know that um Ron
Paul find him the the big the big
contrarian right Rand Paul ran ran Paul
sorry ran Paul Ron is the father ran
Paul show me him saying no here it is
here's the proof it was never overt like
that so just be don't use it as a
political cudel if you want to look back
and say you guys all pushed X Y and Z
too much and one of those is the vaccine
okay um is it am I able to agree with
that now um maybe I don't know I don't
know enough about the data I know the
politics I know well enough politically
to say now that the vaccine is
unpopular but show me Shan
Hannity show me Bill O'Reilly show me
Ben Shapiro show me Tucker Carl son at
that time saying no way never never
never that's why Joe Rogan blew up why
did Joe Rogan blow up in the mainstream
media sphere I because he became the
face of what was seen as irrational
resistance now was that fair to Joe well
yeah made him a huge star but was it
fair on Ivor mechon no it was not fair
in my opinion other people will disagree
no that wasn't fair and that should have
been part of our common practice to see
if it could help or not it wouldn't help
everybody but maybe it would helped on
the vaccine was it fair um yeah because
at the time he didn't he didn't have a
recognized basis for resistance other
than to play to an emotion that was out
there oh yeah but he wound up being
right listen just because it winds up
coming out that way doesn't mean that
you knew anything or that you were right
to be pushing it that way now see here's
my concern all these people are upset
but where are you now about pushing for
the answers about pushing for government
to review this about them telling you
what the statistics are and what they
are but but Chris we can't even talk
about it here because if we say certain
words just like I got to strike for even
mentioning it because these are facts
cancer up turbo cancer up people dying
at a younger age up people dropping Dead
uh I saw this video and it's it's out
there died suddenly P I think you showed
it to me they're they're EMB bombing
these people they're cutting them open
and they're pulling out white calamari
strands out of people's arms and like
you and I get where you're coming but we
can't talk about it and during this
pandemic which the biggest problem was
Chris during the pandemic they silenced
two of the main doctors and one of them
was it Robert Malone who started the MRN
like the everybody silence this guy and
it's like if I make Fiji Water I'm the
maker of Fiji Water and all of a sudden
that starts having problems with Fiji
Water and people are dying and I want to
talk about it and you silence the Fiji
Water guy that's a problem you know what
I love I agree with that I think I think
people have a problem with two things
the hypocrisy and the accountability
yeah my body my choice what the hell
happen with that my body my choice
abortion is the biggest issue that that
lost Republicans midterm midterm
elections all of a sudden mandate you
lose your job you lose your business and
then accountability and I refuse to back
off off this like you said China what
the hell we you started on it and then
we just pivoted to signs got political
it's so divisive China China China China
what the f yeah and here's the answer if
there's no clear Advantage the people in
power don't play that game they can't
make China and the the Wuhan lab story
they can't really make Biden own it on
the right they can't it started when it
wasn't on his watch well he hasn't been
curious about it well but neither were
you so that's why they don't talk about
it and on the left they make anyone own
it it's on China it's not on Trump it's
not on Biden it's on China I know but
here's the thing okay why are you guys
successful okay people are waking up to
the fact that the politics is a game
that is between two teams that only care
about what matters to them and as people
are waking up to the game they want
people to expose the game and oppose the
game enter Valu tainment okay that's why
they're not figuring out the lab there's
no advantage to one side over the other
that's why they're not talking about the
vaccine because there's no clear
Advantage by the way that's why we're
not fighting fenel in this country is
because one party can't say you brought
fentanyl in you're the real reason
that's why they're letting it kill
everybody we're in the same place with
the vaccine you know you know who's
reporting on the increase all of these
uh net mortality things me you won't see
a story about it anywhere else on any of
the big media platforms I'm doing it
with my doctor who's afraid to talk
about it because she's afraid that uh
she'll have people come after her
practice but she's doing it anyway
because she cares so if I were part of
some conspiracy to have people be sick I
would not be reporting on these things I
wouldn't even be telling you that I am
sick I think a part of
um one you know people can't say
whatever they want to say if a person's
willing to have a conversation with me I
respect it tubin say whatever you about
the guy he said he was a sport we talked
you can say anything you want about
anybody if they're willing to sit there
and have a conversation you have to have
respect for the fact that they're
willing to have that exchange because
that's what we didn't have during Co and
anybody that's willing to do it today
salute to you I think Rogan the comments
about Rogan Rogan was the one that was
willing to question at all costs and by
the way if Rogan was wasn't at Spotify
and Daniel e didn't have his back they
would have canceled him the minute they
could have canceled him they they wanted
to destroy that guy like you wouldn't
believe they they wanted to get rid of
him one of the smartest moves he ever
made is go to Spotify and when he went
to Spotify he only put up short clips on
uh YouTube he wasn't doing all the stuff
now everything is back but I'm willing
to bet that one of the reasons why he
renewed his contract with Spotify is
because the way they defended him when
everybody else was trying to trash him
and he realized it's very hard to find
people like this that are going to back
somebody up I agree but I was worried
about them when they made him take
things of his comedy profile I was
worried when he went to Spotify worried
I don't even know him but I'm saying
there is a freedom that you have right
now that if value tment were acquired
you would no longer have witness the
Candace Owens situation with Ben Shapiro
right the corporation is always going to
protect itself I think that you're right
you know more about the situation than I
do that netn net Spotify wound up uh
being being a net positive for Joe but I
was worried when they were looking back
and say oh these things were kind of
racist in your comedy Act take those
down yeah they won't be on Spotify I was
worried about that and certainly during
the pandemic you know again I'm I'm not
feeling sorry for myself on any level
I'm a very uh fortunate guy as media
goes but I got so much heat during the
pandemic for both siding
situations and that's because but that's
the job but here's why people don't do
it that much because you do get on
because you do get heat from everybody
else and that's why I say not that
there's a right and a wrong but go back
and show me Fox News or or anyone Tucker
anybody reporting it differently at the
time you won't find it oh yeah that's
because everybody was that's right so if
everybody was operating under the same
set of assumptions well then who do you
decide to blame for having an agenda who
do you say was just a victim of the
dynamic I only have one push
back everyone should have a little bit
of Grace to be able to evolve and say
look in March or in April dude I had no
clue including Donald Trump but three
years later four years later still
doubling down on your positions vaccine
100% of sucx rate 99% then it's 90 then
it's 80 then it's 50 then they're like
it kind of works there's still people
basically not willing to acknowledge
that they effed up royally well we know
why because even this guy Chef nerd or
whatever he is who puts up the clip oh
people would really appreciate it if you
that's bull listen you apologize for
something you're a dead man okay in our
current culture what we believe and what
we teach our kids and how we live our
lives as friends that doesn't exist in
our media or our political culture
that's nonsense which is trash if Bobby
Kennedy Jr okay could say what he'd
really want to say mhm he would say that
his position on vaccines is totally
evolved but he ain't going to say that
because the media will kill him because
they want him out because he's going to
deter if he stays in and gets on the
ballots he's going to determine the
presidential election so the media wants
him out the Democrats want him out and
now increasingly the Republicans want
him out Y and if he were to apologize
for anything he's a dead man we say that
you should apologize we say that there's
Grace there is no Grace there is only
Advantage should there be Grace 100%
that's the way we live our personal
lives but professionally the same people
that come at me do the things that they
come at me for I think that I think
that's the one thing with Fame right you
know Fame will say okay you don't want
fame and the accolades and stuff that
comes with it don't go get it go be go
live a small life hey I I don't like the
fact that Stephen A Smith comes after me
I'm LeBron James you can't talk to me
like that bro you should have never gone
to the NBA right just right after high
school just go and work at Five Guys or
go be a lawy go do something else that
you're not going to fame brings that and
with Fame if one is expecting Grace with
Fame doesn't happen we're delusional
right and I used to think that used to
exist but it does not it we we you know
and and by the way the first time around
you get Fame you act in a different way
than the second and the third and then
you realize bro relax pump the break so
sometimes you have to just like it's
almost good that you go through fall
early with Fame because most people have
no clue how to to handle it the first
time it's not an easy thing to do but
you said something about RFK that
they're going after RFK story comes out
Rob if you can play uh pull up that clip
while I'm reading the story I'll come to
you so Donald Trump refuses to debate
RFK says he is not a serious candidate
okay and uh uh former president Donald
Trump and is there a video of this by
the way that you have why don't you just
play that clip and then go into the
video with RFK that's been going viral
the last couple days go for it
question RFK RFK I know anything about
him look RK ising very low never heard
of
him not a serious candidate they say he
hurts Biden I don't know who he hurts he
might hurt me I don't know but he has
very low numbers certainly not numbers
that he can debate with and uh he's got
to get these numbers up a lot higher
before he's credible but the uh the
numbers the numbers that he's taken away
they say will be against Biden I don't
know I'm not so sure could be a little
bit against me but I don't see him as a
factor okay so then that's his comments
yesterday uh yesterday this clip uh Mar
marger Taylor green we should be
courageously protecting our children
from General mutualization have a bill
that just ases that protect children's
innocence act and president Trump
protects our kids this is Maga War Room
RFK says he's okay with minors receiving
sex change surgeries da d d da play the
clip real quick robit 4 second I know
this guy as a president
to get this nonsense out to prevent kids
under the age of 18 with or without the
consent of the father to transition you
may even say that is an okay policy
you're a part of that many families
disagree with one what's your position
on this and what will you do as a
president I mean my my position is that
people should not be able to have access
to those procedures the minor shouldn't
without parental permission
and you know I don't I I don't know
enough about it um Patrick to to say
that it should be completely illegal
under 18 no no yeah I just don't know
enough what I what I'm going to tell you
what okay so on the bottom I want to
read go on that clip R go on the clip
click on the clip right on the bottom
there's a detailed description that says
this was four months ago and his
position has changed in four months and
and you know how Community notes write
it I I'll show you which one I'll text
it to you here in a minute but so
thoughts on you know Trump saying that
and on the same day all of these videos
trying to show who he's all about is
coming out is this the way of trying to
get him out and you know get him to drop
out of the race what do you think is
going on with the RFK if he gets on all
the
ballots there is a better chance that
Bobby Kennedy Jr that's one if I can
read this your lips of Tik Tok go below
go below Rob that's the one that says
this interview is 4 months old I don't
know what that is is that's Community
know he has since changed his views and
no longer supports it just so you know
so they they put the community and he'll
say that and first of all he's getting
killed for changing his position that's
my point to Adam about Grace and the
lack thereof any smart person should be
open to two things okay one being wrong
right and two change based on that but
no not in our not in our culture he
changed his position that's why these
guys and these women hold on to stupid
positions just because it's better than
the alternative if he stays in the race
and he gets on all 50 uh ballots or just
really he gets on 35 uh ballots you know
the states that matter and matter a
little bit less he will have a bigger
role in determining the outcome of the
election than anything else 100% so but
is Trump wrong no right now Trump is not
wrong where he is polling on all of the
National polls and the polls of polls he
does not warrant being on a debate stage
I agree with that but why because we are
stuck in a game that is controlled by
two parties and everybody knows you
can't get in if you're not on one of
those two teams so he is set up to fail
it's a it is rigged to use Trump's word
now do I like his answer no because if
he wants to chase Biden and say you know
you're afraid of me you're afraid of me
he doesn't want to stand next to Bobby
despite Bobby's voice because he knows
he can only lose and that's why he
doesn't want to do it which is fine but
don't say it's because he's not serious
it's because you know there's no upside
for you that's why you don't want to
stand next to the guy um but if he gets
on all the ballots and look I'm getting
a lot of heat I'm not a Bobby Kennedy Jr
supporter I've known him a long time my
brother was married to his sister I
don't know that he is qualified to be
president if I had to give an answer I
would say of course he is not because he
has never done anything like what that
job is but if he's in and getting
support how do I justify not having him
on well you don't have Jill Stein on
well that's because she has nowhere near
the residence that he does yeah so we're
just talking about Bobby you shouldn't
have him on he's not relevant that's
just demonstrably false so why are they
chasing me because they are threatened
by him and the media is doing a lot of
the work for them on that Chris
percentage wise what are the odds of him
getting on all fit like if you have to
guess um on the ballots yeah if you ask
Bobby 100% that he he gets on um me I
say it best 50/50 okay uh why because
again of and someday I'll I'll be dead
but someday people will say you know
that Cho was right about this the
parties control the election process not
in the Constitution not by law by
tradition but all the players are in the
party so they're okay with allowing them
to have an artificial influence you
can't get on the ballot when I have a
team of lawyers up your hee Like A
Hemorrhoid challenging every signature
dragging you into court again and again
and that's what I don't know the effect
of like how effective will they be in
keeping him off ballots that he is not
on now I would say he is the most I
think Donald Trump is dead wrong on this
with respect to president Trump I think
he is the most viable Third Party
candidate we've seen since pero since
perau who got specifically what 19% 20%
the 92 won the elction
singlehandedly gave Bill Clint a
landslide I think the electoral college
cuz not the popular vote it's the
Electoral College that counts 370 you
need 270 to win 370 to 168 blowout