"Candace Beats Ben" - Daily Wire Accused of Putting Gag Order On Candace Owens Due To Fear of Debate
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses a complex situation involving conservative media personality Candace Owens and the Daily Wire, a conservative news and commentary platform. It appears that the Daily Wire has obtained a gag order against Owens, preventing her from criticizing the company or its co-founder, Ben Shapiro. This move comes after Owens expressed a desire to debate Shapiro on the Israel-Palestine issue, a topic that has caused tension within the network. The conversation suggests that the Daily Wire may have believed they could lose the debate, leading to the legal action to silence Owens. The participants debate the strategic implications of this move for the Daily Wire's brand and the potential impact on public perception. They also touch upon the broader topic of media companies facing fatal moments and the importance of avoiding fatal mistakes in business and controversy management.
Takeaways
- 📜 The Daily Wire reportedly obtained a gag order against Candace Owens, preventing her from criticizing the company or Ben Shapiro.
- 🤝 Candace Owens had a contentious tenure at the Daily Wire, marked by disagreements with company co-founder Ben Shapiro, particularly over the Israel-Palestine issue.
- 🚫 The arbitration proceeding and subsequent gag order were kept secret, leading to a public perception that the Daily Wire wanted to debate Owens, while they were actively seeking to silence her.
- 💼 The decision to pursue the gag order is seen as a strategic move by the Daily Wire to protect the company's interests, suggesting they believed they would lose a public debate against Owens.
- 👥 There is speculation about whether the decision to seek a gag order was made by Ben Shapiro himself or by other executives within the Daily Wire.
- 🤔 The situation raises questions about the integrity of public debate and the use of legal mechanisms to avoid challenging discussions.
- 📉 The gag order, while a legal victory for the Daily Wire, may have been a public relations setback, as it could be perceived as an attempt to stifle free speech and avoid accountability.
- 👍 Some commentators argue that the move by the Daily Wire was smart and within their rights, given the contractual obligations and the potential risks of a public debate.
- 🤷♀️ Candace Owens is left in a position where she must decide how to proceed, with the possibility of significant legal and financial repercussions if she violates the gag order.
- 🤝 The debate over Israel's actions, particularly in Gaza, was a key point of contention between Owens and Shapiro, highlighting differing views within conservative circles.
- 📈 The incident underscores the importance of controversy in driving engagement and revenue for media personalities and companies, but also the risks of alienating audiences.
Q & A
What is the controversy surrounding Candace Owens and the Daily Wire?
-The Daily Wire reportedly obtained a gag order against Candace Owens, a former podcast host, during public debate negotiations. This followed a period of tension and Owens' criticism of the company's stance on the Israel-Palestine issue.
Why did the Daily Wire seek a gag order against Candace Owens?
-The Daily Wire claimed that Candace Owens' criticism and requests for a debate violated her contract, specifically by disparaging the company and its co-founder, Ben Shapiro.
What was the public's reaction to the Daily Wire's actions?
-The public perceived the Daily Wire's actions as an attempt to silence Owens rather than engage in a debate, which negatively impacted the company's brand and public image.
What does the discussion suggest about the Daily Wire's strategy?
-The discussion suggests that the Daily Wire's strategy was to protect its brand and contractual interests, even if it meant avoiding a public debate and appearing to suppress free speech.
How did the participants in the discussion view the Daily Wire's decision?
-The participants had mixed views; some saw it as a smart move to protect the company, while others felt it was a bad look for the brand and hypocritical given the company's public stance on free speech and debate.
What was the role of social media in this controversy?
-Social media played a significant role as it was the platform where Candace Owens voiced her criticisms and requested a debate, which the Daily Wire claimed violated her contract.
What are the implications of this controversy for the Daily Wire's future?
-The controversy could potentially harm the Daily Wire's reputation if it is perceived as avoiding debate or suppressing differing viewpoints, which might affect its long-term brand value and audience trust.
How did the discussion participants view the role of contracts in such disputes?
-The participants acknowledged the importance of contracts in protecting companies' interests but also questioned the strategic and ethical implications of enforcing them in this manner.
What was the stance of Candace Owens on American involvement in foreign wars?
-Candace Owens had taken a firm stance against American involvement in foreign wars, including the conflict in Gaza, which was a divisive issue between her and the Daily Wire.
What is the significance of the Israel-Palestine issue in this context?
-The Israel-Palestine issue was a particularly contentious topic that highlighted the ideological differences between Candace Owens and the Daily Wire, leading to the debate request and subsequent controversy.
How did the discussion participants view the potential outcome of a debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro?
-There was speculation that the Daily Wire might have believed that Ben Shapiro would not win the debate against Candace Owens, which could have influenced their decision to seek a gag order.
Outlines
😀 Daily Wire's Gag Order on Candace Owens
The first paragraph discusses the Daily Wire's alleged gag order against Candace Owens, a former podcast host. It highlights the tension between Owens and the company, particularly with co-founder Ben Shapiro. The disagreement over the Israel-Palestine issue is mentioned, as well as Owens' criticism of American involvement in foreign wars. The paragraph also covers the arbitration proceeding that led to the gag order and the subsequent reaction on social media, including Glenn Greenwald's reporting on the issue.
🤔 Candace Owens' Legal and Public Position
The second paragraph delves into the potential advice Candace Owens might receive from her representative regarding the gag order. It explores the legal implications of the situation and the strategic move by the Daily Wire. The paragraph also discusses the public perception of the situation, contrasting the legal victory with the potential public relations defeat. It touches on the idea that the Daily Wire might not believe Shapiro could win a debate against Owens and the implications of this on their brand.
📉 The Impact on Daily Wire's Brand
The third paragraph focuses on the strategic implications for the Daily Wire and the potential public backlash. It discusses the company's legal victory and the subsequent public opinion, suggesting that the brand may have suffered. The paragraph also raises questions about the sustainability of media companies facing controversies and the potential for fatal blows to their reputation. It mentions other media personalities and their resilience in the face of scandal.
💭 Controversy and Media Brand Survival
The fourth paragraph continues the discussion on the value of controversy in media and the potential for brands to survive despite it. It talks about the importance of not making fatal mistakes and the ability of brands to recover from errors. The paragraph also explores the idea that every business owner makes mistakes, but the key is to avoid those that could be fatal to the brand. It ends with a discussion on the potential for the Daily Wire to continue growing despite the controversy.
📈 CNN's Decline and the Role of Controversy
The fifth paragraph shifts the focus to CNN's decline in ratings and the challenges it faces. It questions the possibility of saving CNN and what that would entail. The paragraph also discusses the importance of controversy in driving media attention and the potential benefits it can bring to a brand. It ends with a promotion for a networking app called Man, which is presented as a tool for getting prompt and valuable answers to questions.
📱 Networking and the Power of Man App
The sixth paragraph provides a detailed overview of the Man app, emphasizing its high response rate and the value it offers for networking and getting answers to important questions. It mentions specific statistics about response rates on different platforms and encourages the audience to use the app for connecting and getting answers. The paragraph concludes with an invitation to participate in a contest associated with the app.
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Keywords
💡Gag Order
💡Daily Wire
💡Candace Owens
💡Ben Shapiro
💡Israel-Palestine Issue
💡Arbitration
💡Contract Breach
💡Corporate Strategy
💡Free Speech
💡Public Debate
💡Conservative Commentary
Highlights
Daily Wire reportedly obtained a gag order against Candace Owens during public debate negotiations.
Candace Owens' three-year stint at the Daily Wire ended following tensions over her stance on foreign wars and criticism of Israel.
Ben Shapiro criticized other Republicans for declining support for Israel and Ukraine, highlighting U.S. national security interests.
The Daily Wire sought arbitration to prevent Candace Owens from criticizing the company or Ben Shapiro.
Glenn Greenwald reported on the situation, discussing the implications of the gag order and the arbitration process.
There is speculation that the Daily Wire may believe they would lose a debate with Candace Owens, leading to the gag order.
Commentators suggest the move by the Daily Wire was strategic but may have negatively impacted their public image.
The gag order has led to a debate about the role of contracts and arbitration in managing public discourse and controversy.
Candace Owens is portrayed as a talented provocateur who may have been restricted by the actions of the Daily Wire.
The situation has raised questions about the integrity of public debate and the use of legal mechanisms to silence critics.
There is a discussion about whether media companies can recover from significant public relations missteps.
Comparisons are made to CNN's decline in ratings and the potential for a media outlet to become irrelevant.
The conversation touches on the importance of consistency in message and the risks of alienating an audience base.
Commentators express differing views on whether the Daily Wire's actions will ultimately benefit or harm their brand in the long term.
The potential for internal strife within media organizations when faced with controversial decisions is explored.
The role of personality and policy in public debate is discussed, with a focus on the differing approaches of Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens.
Transcripts
I want to show you the story that comes
out uh from uh if you can pull up the
clip yes so reports daily wire issued
gag order against Candace ens during
public uh debate negotiations right okay
so let me read this story because you
know I'm sure you have great feedback to
give to both sides on this so
conservative news and commentary out
that the daily wire has reportedly
obtained gag order against former
podcast host Candace owns a news
reported allegations alleges despite
company co-founder Ben Shapiro claiming
that he wanted to debate her on the
Israel Palestine issue Owen's three-year
stint at the daily wire ended in March
following months of tensions between the
professional Pro provocator and her
fellow Network personalities the subject
of the Israel Hamas Hamas was proved to
be particularly divisive issue for Owens
and Shapiro Owens has taken a Firm
Stance against the American involvement
in Foreign Wars including the one in
Gaza Shapiro and Orthodox je has
criticized other Republicans for their
declining support for both Israel and
Ukraine stressing America's national
security interest in both conflicts
after multiple social media do you have
a video of that as well Rob on what he
says or no I do I have Glenn Greenwald
reporting okay go and have that video if
you if you can play Glenn's go for it
immediately after Candace Owens went to
Twitter and said I'd like to have a
debate with Ben here about Israel the
Del wire ran into an arbitration
proceeding and requested that an
arbitrator put a gag order on Candace
Owens and Order her blocked banned from
criticizing the deli wire or bench Piro
in any
way and none of this was disclosed by
the deli wire they had led Their
audience to believe that they actually
wanted a debate with Candace Owens and
yet at the same time in secret they were
arguing to the
arbitrator that the way in which Candace
Owens asked for this debate the
expressions of criticism she had voiced
about Ben Shapiro the fact that she had
liked multiple tweets that were
criticizing V and the deli wire meant
that Candace Owens by negotiating and
asking for this debate had in fact
engaged in disparagement of the DA wire
in a way that violated her contract and
they therefore convinced an arbitrator
in
secret that they were likely to win if
they sued Candace Owens for breach of
contract and the only remedy possible
would be to gag Candace Owens talking
about the Del wire per anyway critically
I mean it's a chicken ship so so what do
you what do what do you think about
okay I like it I I'll tell you what I
like the move this is a very smart move
by the daily wire you got to remember
it's not Ben Shapiro anymore he made his
decision organizations protect
themselves and when they have a contract
with you they will immediately do this
now Glenn the truth is enough Glenn
doesn't have to say they went in secret
arbitration is what it is you know what
I mean it's in your contract so it's not
like they're sneaking around but so you
know he doesn't need that drama to it
but the reality is you're saying one
thing to me but now you got your boys
exercising a right on my contract and
you have to look at the reason why okay
the daily wire doesn't believe that
Shapiro wins the debate with Candace
Owens you you think they believe that
100 otherwise there's no reason to do it
wow if this is working for you you let
it go right because the theory is Vinnie
and Patrick get sideways and you believe
that you got sideways with him for good
reason you want people to know yeah good
let Vinnie talk about why we got
sideways good he's there everyone's
going to understand why we did what we
did that's what Ben Shapiro has been
saying everybody's going to understand
that Candace Owens has positions that
are not just incorrect but morally wrong
in a way that Ben Shapiro says matters
he's not just another corporate guy it's
not just another company now but in fact
it is just another company and the
company decided we lose if he goes
toe-to-toe with Candace Owens so shut
her up and they have the right to do it
because of the contract you you you
think there was a meeting where they sat
down and are you saying like a Ben promp
thing saying I don't want to do this
debate do you think it's a Jeremy thing
saying we we shouldn't do this debate is
it what that type of a conversation or
is it like something everybody's
thinking nobody wants to say to hurt
someone's ego so they're like look we
got to do this and we got to do protect
the company you think it's second second
I think it's this guy I think it's the
super smart guy who's sitting on the
outside is who you're talking about he's
he's the face and the scent I mean he's
he's distractingly good smelling like I
can't make a point talk about Tom
technical not Vinnie is not but he's
technically Tom is sitting in listening
be like oh yeah this is this is this is
great drama uh I represent the
organization which is now a huge
organization with a lot of investors
putting money on us we lose on this shut
her down and that's what they're doing
and now Candace has to make a decision
she has to now listen to her
representative saying well what's my
exposure because in terms of the
argument I feel like well no let's go
let's take the gloves off let's let's
see who's who and she's going to have
someone like me you know a lawyer say to
her no we lose we we have in our
contract an arbitration Clause uh
they've gone in there we lost the
argument on whether or not we can talk
about the proceedings so they're going
to sanction you and it's going to hurt
you
lose on substance or on policy meaning
I've never seen Ben Shapiro lose a
debate this guy knows what he's talking
about oh I've seen him L
especially really oh yeah he says a lot
of things that are just overstating
propositions especially you don't think
Candace does that oh 100% look that's
the job if you want to be a provocator
if you want to be an outrage machine
you're going to stretch no question
about she's amazing by the way I think
that she is a very talented she's going
to whoop you next time get your ass
homie she can bring it I have no problem
with her bringing it especially when
it's in good faith look the problem for
Ben Shapiro is this MH he's been very
quiet okay that's the first tell this is
not a quiet Guy this is very personal to
him uh his faith is the center of uh his
person and that's fine uh he is
defending controversial propositions
okay they are not controversal to him I
get it but what he has done is allowed
something that's supposed to be personal
to become about business and I think
that that's going to be a bad look for
him so so you know what this you know
what this analogy but I do like the move
I like the move this is kind of like I
understand it's a power move but you
threw it out there boom boom boom we got
her perfect hey lawyers look what she
just said boom go through you know it's
kind of like hey gag another ,000 look
what he just said on that interview same
exact thing Trump is going through is
kind of they're doing but here's the
part in school there's a fight okay and
one guy says after school yeah I'll see
after school 3:00 at 3:00 after school
that's right behind the football stadium
right okay great so you go 3:00 after
school you meet the one shows up okay
and the other one shows up with the
principal that's exactly what that is
one gets
suspended okay for a week from school
but the one that got suspended got
Street Credit yeah that's how it works
that's EXA I'm just telling you and
that's exactly it but I mean if this is
true if it's true allegedly allegedly
but if you think about it look at what
this situation to me exposed the hell
out of not only Ben but daily wire as
well because think think about the
hypocrisy too all this stuff like hey
you want to debate debate get the
lawyers involved then a couple days I
think it was yesterday uh Shapiro makes
a video supporting elon's reinstatement
of Nick Fuentes on X if you want to talk
about anti-semitic and anti-
how are you going to flip-flop and I'll
say you know what I'm happy that elon's
letting him get on there of all really
who said that Ben Shapiro made a video
going hey I to be fair he to be fair he
also said the following which you have
to understand what he said he said in an
interview with Dave Rubin he says we're
not a platform we're a publisher yeah
okay so Nick Fuentes being reinstated on
Twitter that's a platform he can say
that and he's kind of dancing I
understand what you're saying but is
also saying we're a publisher we we
don't you know we don't want Candace to
say what she's saying here we can fire
him regardless of that position you lose
both ways 100% regardless what you say
you're losing with both arguments the
thing with Ben and Candace I would argue
there's there's policy and there's
personality I would say that Ben is a
technical policy guy Candace amazing
marketer amazing personality but the
biggest question is the following what
is the hill you're willing to die on
we've seen since Co people take stances
on what they're willing to die in the
single Focus that has a primary
importance to them Ben has been exposed
and I'm not saying this is a good or bad
thing the hill he's willing to die on is
Israel is Israel 1,00% so with
Candice what is her Hill my question is
she has a bunch of Hill is it is it
anti- BLM true is it America First True
at one point the literal Hill she was
going to die on was exposing Emanuel
macron's
wife as a man she said the following
that she'd willing to bet her entire
career on it so I'm just wondering if
this debate happens how that would all
here's my but see I I I think bed was
exposed because the Israel thing that
was his head exploding no for for months
we had to hear this freaking guy and his
voice got more annoying Candice is
Michael Jackson Bad she she has she has
she focuses here bro hanging out with
her she this girl is a freaking a sponge
she wants to like like a little kid she
wants a no no no and then by the way one
week she's doing this one week it's this
one day she doesn't have a hill Adam she
has multiple Hills she can attack all of
them together it's like they're siblings
they're twins I love her she's hilarious
what are your thoughts on because I I
have one question I want to ask and I
specifically want to get your thoughts
and your thoughts Tom on it go for well
strategically I agree with Chris this is
good for daily wire strategically
however what happens in the Public
Square daily wire there's two fights
here daily wire in the legal ring just
won a 15 round decision where the entire
crowd looks at it and said man that
sucks that's not right and the brand and
the pr daily wire suffered a second
round knockout Big W that's what
happened because everybody's looking at
Daily wire looking at going man you guys
just look bad you were trying people
that don't understand the chessboard of
legal and contracts and everything are
looking at this saying oh you didn't
want to debate and you did that man you
went to some judge to do that that is
what a lot of people see that's a
knockout for the brand that's not where
I want to be Ben looks bad Jeremy looks
bad Dy wire looks bad I got a question
and all she has to do is stand there and
say I can't talk about it and she looks
she looks fine and but legally it's a 15
round decision we all just look at it
and say yeah question for you question
for you so H can a media company
historically you guys has lived in
America longer than I have I've only
been here since 1990 so I don't have a
lot of history prior to that of what
happened here except from the books I've
read can a has a media company ever had
a fatal moment a fatal a career-ending
moment I would argue that CNN has which
has dropped below MSNBC in the ratings
has lost their identity we saw the the
documentary of the book call me Ted I
would argue that where is CNN now I just
quite frankly we all know where I stand
moderate middle unifier type of guy I I
have a mixed media diet I watch CNN for
two people Cuomo and who I think is the
most brilliant guy in TV fared Zakaria I
literally don't watch CNN after Cuomo
left and I'm freed only is on on Sundays
where the hell is CNN these days so you
think I don't think I don't think CNN is
fatal though because I think I think you
know if we had the kind of resources and
we were able to make an off offer to buy
a CNN and bring it in and I know
somebody else is running it from the top
I think there's something that cuz I I
think if you can go back to what tet
turn wanted to build I think there's a
chance and then it's no longer CNN it's
a rebranding I'm asking fatal I'm asking
fatal like Vice fatal I I don't remember
saying now Vice went out of business for
a lot of reasons but I mean if you're
talking about like fatal on a
controversy no personalities and
producers have endured fatal moments Dan
freaking rather got absolutely
kicked to the curb over the the George W
bush story and it was him his researcher
and producer who all got together and
decided to stretch the facts and spin
them to make W look bad and the fires of
Hell came back at them and then the
network talk about Dan Rather he he was
the successor he was the the next big
anchor that came after the years of
kronite well I mean Dan was a big deal
is a big deal history uh thus far has
been kind to him he's taking a comeback
oh yeah I mean he's huge he's huge on I
know but I'm saying that as to to he's a
legend in game to Pat's point of course
he's a legend but to to Pat's point
about the brand uh his brand is strong
um why well the the test of time and
perspective uh CBS threw him under the
bus that happens when it's about you or
me in a corporate setting that's what's
happening at the daily wire also is that
the corporation has to win
and the way that they win is by shutting
Candace down and they have the right to
make that happen whether or not you
think it's right so he goes down now in
terms of whether or not you've ever seen
a kill shot to an entire brand uh
probably not because they get rid of
somebody they blame somebody Brian
Williams was that NBC NBC he gets busted
right for what I wasn't that impressed
with by the way he just forgot that he
was telling a story that wasn't really
true and he had told it so many times
that like he forgot that he was telling
a story that he had kind of made up um
in the helicopter and life fire and and
they up I saw bodies floating by yeah
and they wind up bringing him back onto
MSNBC rehabilitate him because his buddy
wound up being in control so what's the
point that individuals get taken down
Brands usually exist to Pat's Point CNN
is a huge and valuable brand uh are they
internationally well more than
domestically domestically because let
tell right owner needs to own it cuz let
me tell you I'm saying currently they're
a mess well you Adam I asked fatal okay
right fatal and as long as people look
even me I don't think it's warranted
that people have as many strong opinions
about me as they do but as long as they
do MH there is value to that if people
watch you every week and every time your
show is on because they love you great
if they watch you because they can't
wait to see what things are going to
make you make them crazy good there's no
difference to the value of the brand uh
CNN just like
MSNBC uh just like Fox people are