Vivek Ramaswamy: Trump Wildwood Rally & Ann Coulter's Controversial Comments | PBD Podcast | Ep. 410
Summary
TLDRThe transcript appears to be a detailed discussion on a variety of political topics, featuring conversations around the potential future roles of a prominent political figure, the importance of trust and conviction in leadership, and the challenges of navigating political and social landscapes. It touches on the themes of nationalism, the impact of certain policies on future elections, and the influence of media and public opinion on political strategy. The discussion also extends to the importance of free speech, the role of the United States in global conflicts, and the necessity for political leaders to make tough decisions in the interest of the nation. Throughout the conversation, there is a strong emphasis on the need for honesty, accountability, and the courage to make decisions that may not always be politically convenient but are deemed necessary for the greater good.
Takeaways
- ๐๏ธ The host expresses his admiration for V, considering him a top contender for the 2028 presidential election due to his intelligence, policy knowledge, and charismatic personality.
- ๐ค V discusses the challenges he faced during his campaign, including issues related to his ethnicity and religious background, which impacted his ability to connect with certain voter demographics.
- ๐บ๐ธ V emphasizes the importance of the U.S. Constitution regarding the qualifications for the presidency and counters arguments that question his American identity based on his immigrant parents.
- ๐ฅ The conversation touches on the potential roles V might take on if asked by President Trump, reflecting V's willingness to serve in various capacities for the betterment of the country.
- ๐ก V highlights the need for immediate action in certain areas such as immigration and border security, expressing his commitment to these issues and his intent to stay engaged in national affairs.
- ๐ฅ The host and V criticize the politicization of the legal system in relation to Trump's trial, arguing that the charges are baseless and represent a misuse of prosecutorial power.
- ๐ฎโโ๏ธ Discussion about the importance of holding public officials accountable, with V stating that he would not shy away from making tough decisions and would prioritize the country's needs over political considerations.
- ๐ค V speaks positively about Ben Carson and Tulsi Gabbard, appreciating their backgrounds outside of politics and their potential contributions to public service.
- ๐ The topic of draining the swamp in Washington is addressed, with V advocating for decisive action to reduce the size of the federal bureaucracy and protect American interests.
- ๐ซ V opposes the passing of the anti-Semitism awareness act in Congress, arguing that it infringes on free speech and is a misguided attempt to police opinions.
- ๐ The conversation concludes with a reflection on the current state of political discourse, with a call for more open and honest debate, and a critique of the tendency to avoid difficult conversations.
Q & A
What was the main topic of discussion regarding the podcast guest?
-The main topic of discussion was the guest's perspective on nationalism, national identity, and the future direction of the conservative movement in the United States.
How did the podcast host describe the guest's opening monologue?
-The host described the guest's opening monologue as fantastic and appreciated the thoughtful perspectives shared by the guest.
What was the guest's position on the criteria for being the US president?
-The guest believed that to be a US president, one has to be more American, implying that the more generations a family has been in the United States, the more qualified they are for the presidency.
What was the host's reaction to the guest's view on the presidency criteria?
-The host disagreed with the guest's view, arguing that being American is not solely defined by the number of generations a family has been in the United States.
What issue did the host bring up regarding the Republican primary?
-The host brought up the issue of racism and xenophobia within the Republican primary, mentioning personal experiences and challenges faced during the campaign due to his ethnicity and religion.
What was the host's stance on the potential for a non-white candidate to win the Republican nomination?
-The host believed that a non-white candidate could win the Republican nomination, emphasizing that it would depend on the individual's qualifications and alignment with the party's values.
What was the host's view on the importance of the vice presidential pick in the 2028 election?
-The host viewed the vice presidential pick as very important, stating that the VP selection could potentially be the leading candidate for the presidency in 2028.
How did the host feel about the potential of being asked to serve as Vice President?
-The host expressed that anyone who cares about the country and is aligned with the Republican party's vision would have a responsibility to accept the position if asked.
What was the guest's opinion on the role of conviction in politics?
-The guest valued conviction in politics, respecting individuals who stand by their deeply held beliefs even if they are part of a fringe minority.
What did the host and guest discuss regarding the situation in Israel?
-They discussed the right of Israel to defend itself, the importance of not micromanaging Israel's defense strategies, and the need for a rational and cool-headed approach to foreign policy.
What was the host's view on the use of the term 'Elites' in political discourse?
-The host suggested that the term 'Elites' could be misleading, as it does not accurately describe all individuals in positions of power or influence, and proposed a more nuanced understanding of societal structures.
Outlines
๐๏ธ Podcast Introduction and Upcoming Topics
The speaker introduces the podcast and outlines various topics for discussion, including a recent exchange on a podcast related to racial remarks, potential political appointments, reactions to Trump's support for Israel, and a protest at Duke University involving Jerry Seinfeld.
๐ค Reflections on Political Candidacy and National Identity
The speaker reflects on their experience as a political candidate, addressing comments about their race and religion, and discusses the concept of nationalism and national identity within the context of American politics.
๐ฆ Entrepreneurship, American Dream, and Political Vision
The speaker talks about their background as an entrepreneur, their alignment with Trump's America First policy, and the unique opportunity presented by the incumbent president's track record as action versus promises.
๐ฅ Trust in Leadership and the Republican Base
The conversation delves into trust in political leadership, the Republican base's preference for Trump, and the challenges faced by new or less-known candidates in building trust with the electorate.
๐ก Future Political Aspirations and Commitment to Country
The speaker expresses their commitment to the country over personal ambition, stating they would only run for president if they believed it was essential for the country's future. They also discuss the importance of immediate action for the country's benefit.
๐ค Willingness to Serve in Any Capacity for the Country
The speaker asserts that they would accept any role offered by President Trump if it would benefit the country, emphasizing their 'America First' mentality and commitment to public service.
๐ต๏ธโโ๏ธ Accountability and Political Strategy
The speaker discusses the importance of accountability in political roles, their approach to removing unsuitable candidates, and their views on the use of political tactics and strategies in achieving goals.
๐ Foreign Policy and National Sovereignty
The speaker shares their views on foreign policy, emphasizing the importance of national sovereignty and non-interference in the affairs of other nations, while also discussing specific geopolitical situations.
๐ฃ๏ธ Free Speech and the First Amendment
The speaker passionately defends the First Amendment and the right to free speech, criticizing legislation that would limit expression of opinions, even those considered extreme or hateful.
๐ค Self-Criticism and Engagement in Political Discourse
The speaker calls for self-criticism within the Republican party and emphasizes the need for open debate and engagement with opposing views, suggesting a more proactive approach in various forums.
๐บ Media Commentary on Immigration Policy
The speaker comments on media discussions surrounding immigration policy, suggesting a shift towards more secure policies as seen under the previous administration, and the political implications of such changes.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กEntrepreneurship
๐กAmerican Dream
๐กNationalism
๐กImmigration Policy
๐กGlobalism
๐กPopulism
๐กBorder Security
๐กPolitical Prosecution
๐กFirst Principles
๐กFree Speech
๐กDiplomatic Relations
Highlights
The conversation begins with a discussion on the value of David over Goliath in the context of entrepreneurship and the underdog's potential for success.
A recent podcast exchange is mentioned where the guest suggested being 'too Brown' to become president, prompting a debate on racism and representation in politics.
Speculation about a high-profile individual's potential role in government, including positions like Homeland Security, Secretary of Commerce, VP, or AG, is addressed.
The incident at Duke University where Jerry Seinfeld faced a walkout during his commencement speech due to his support for Israel is discussed.
Michael Cohen's situation with Stormy Daniels and his potential aspirations for a Nike sponsorship are humorously examined.
Comments on CNN's Fareed Zakaria suggesting a return to Trump's immigration policies are critiqued, highlighting a shift in mainstream media discourse.
A Wall Street Journal statistic on the global concern of not having enough babies being born is noted, signaling a potential demographic crisis.
The issue of discrimination potentially causing people to age faster is debated, with a critique of the Forbes article's angle and implications.
A discussion on the future direction of the conservative movement and the role of nationalism and national identity in politics is explored.
The concept of 'Americanness' is questioned, with a debate on whether being born in the U.S. or having a long family history in the country makes one a 'true American'.
The impact of faith and religion on political campaigns is examined, with personal anecdotes from the guest about his experiences as a Hindu candidate.
The potential for a non-white candidate to secure the Republican nomination in the future is debated, with opinions on the current political climate.
The importance of action over words in political leadership is emphasized, with a nod to Trump's track record as a unique opportunity for voters.
The guest's stance on being open to various roles in government if they align with his skills and the needs of the country is shared.
The topic of illegal immigration and border security as a key issue for the next administration is highlighted, with the guest's views on necessary reforms.
The guest's commitment to the 'America First' policy and his vision for its continuation beyond the Trump presidency is discussed.
The potential risks and rewards of taking a hard stance on cutting federal bureaucracy and the 'draining the swamp' agenda are debated.
Transcripts
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one all right we're about to go live
here with the one and only V while I'm
taking a picture with them by the way
uh we got a lot to cover I I don't know
how many times we've done this three
four five times but every time we talk
to VI the the conversation is always
Lively we talk about a bunch of
different issues let me kind of give you
some things we want to talk about today
uh one is uh uh you know a exchange that
he had with a recent podcast that he is
too Brown to become a president we got
to get a reaction on that which we will
you know uh and then the other part is
the uh a position job is he going to be
getting the homeland security job that
freaked a lot of people out is he going
to get the Secretary of Commerce is it
VP is it AG is it nothing is what what
is the conversation going to be but
we'll talk about that the trial in New
York jersey with Trump did Jerry
Seinfeld who's a speaker at Duke
graduation and all of a sudden a bunch
of people walk out you got to see this
aside from that there's the Michael
Cohen thing going on right now with
stormmy Daniel and Michael Cohen I think
may have wanted to get sponsored by Nike
when you hear what what he talked about
based on a quote that Trump told him
back in the days scaramucci said some
stuff about Trump saying he's a very
very dangerous man and should be nowhere
near the White
House cers for Palestine Pro Palestine
protesters stop traffic at Walt Disney
World in Florida you'll see what that's
all about and then we got a couple other
stories here let me still continue with
this North Dakota governor former
presidential candidate Doug B beram
front and center at Jersey Rally with
Trump what's he doing there that's a
conversation that's being brought up
lately RFK says he will qualify for
presidential debates as the issue's
challenge to Trump coint testifies and
you'll see what he'll say here Pelosi
rebuked to her face during Oxford debate
about 2016 election very weird what she
said and then what the student and the
person that was you know rebuking her
you just have to see what happens in
this situation very interesting and then
a couple other things Trump just
recently said I support Israel's right
to win its war on terror then CNN
Zakaria by which is by the way he's he's
he's he has an owner and the owner is on
our panel here because without him
nobody would I mean without Adam you
know Vinnie nobody would have ever known
about zakari without Adam because it's
all yeah CNN Zakaria Biden should go
back to Trump's immigration policies
then numbers just showed up a
record-breaking number for the number of
people with full-time jobs and part time
jobs will see this couple things here in
the economy we'll talk about there's a
stat that just came out from Wall Street
Journal I want to get VI's take on this
suddenly there aren't enough babies the
whole world is alarmed with not enough
babies being born
Christine um there's a restraining order
on her and all the dogs in South Dakota
which is kind of deeply concerning we're
going to see we're going to see what our
friend here has to say and last but not
least I thought this was kind of
interesting story by Forbes I don't know
who wrote it I'm just curious with this
title discrimination may cause people to
age faster and affects white people most
who the hell would write Wonder this is
a Forbes article guys that we're talking
about Forbes article so but I have to
start off with this can I say one word
on that do you think if the article's
findings were that discrimination would
cause people to age slower would they
have published it I don't think so no
this is a great opportunity for them to
write something like
can can you pull this up so an cter who
we've had on the podcast before an
couter I think you and her are you know
on a show together you're doing
something together and she asked this
question I just want to get your
reaction on Rob go and play this clip
that's why I brought on today somebody
who I think has some thoughtful
perspectives on the future direction of
our country of our conservative movement
and on this question of nationalism and
national identity somebody whove been
fascinated for by for a long time fast
forward to when she say intera with on
social media but for the first time
we're having
in the offline sense of it it's an cter
so an thanks for coming on and I'm
looking forward to our conversation
today me too thanks for having me that
was a fantastic opening monologue uh I
too am a fan of yours I'm going to make
a point of disagreeing with you so that
it will be fun um you are so bright and
articulate and I guess I can call you
articulate since you're not an American
black um can't can't say that about them
that's that's derogatory
um and that was a great opening segment
lots of things to talk about there oh
and I agreed with many many things you
said during in fact probably more than
than most other candidates um when you
were running for president but I still
would not have voted for you um because
you're an Indian we'll get back to that
um just skip over the
racism how well first of all what was
did you know she was because it seems
like when you guys are starting there's
a little bit of tension I don't know if
there was like pre getting started with
there was tension or not oh you're
pretty good at picking that up man so so
actually so so give you the context here
so I ran this podcast during the
presidential campaign it was called
Truth yeah I took some time off after
the campaign and now you know getting
back in the swing of things so we
relaunched the truth podcast just La
relaunched it officially last week so
you know get that up on the ground you
would have good conversations and I
wanted to I wanted to pick on some
people who had poked me a little bit on
social media or in other ways to be able
to you know it's kind of boring to just
talk about everybody who agrees with the
same thing right right but let's get a
little bit of tension from the left from
the right so I'll bring Anne ctron
because during the campaign I don't
remember what exactly she said but on
numerous instances would comment on
different ways in which I might not be
quite qualified to be president right so
so let's get it on and have a
conversation and both of us are interest
interested in the theme of nationalism I
did not expect she would just kick it
off right there get right into the
business and I think it actually made
for really good conversation Believe It
or Not of course I disagree with hell
like her on that being a criteria to be
the US president is her description of
whether or not you're an Indian I'm born
in the United States I'm as American as
they come but I thought it actually
formed a really strong basis for an
honest conversation that we otherwise
don't have because her view is that in
order to actually be a US president you
got to be even more American right so
you're not fully American if your
parents weren't from the United States
of America and in order to trust
somebody the more Generations they've
been here let's say you've been here six
or seven generations you have more of
what she would call I think she did call
during the podcast a security policy
it's like an insurance policy that you
know that if you're going to put
somebody in that high office at least
you know that they've really really
soaked up what it means to be American
now I disagree with that I disagree with
that because you have people in the
Seventh Generation Americans who are the
kids of some I've been to I've known
many of these people grow up in the
Upper East Side some daughter who lives
in Brooklyn thinks she's a hippie talks
about hating this country well I don't
think that that person's any more
American than I am just because my
parents happen to have been legal
immigrants to this country I got two
questions for you but it made for a good
conversation I got two questions for you
with this okay on one end how many
people you think are like if you were to
say of the voter's block what percentage
of the voter block agrees with her so
say in in the Republican primary in the
Republican primary to say you know what
I'm not going to even if it's 1% 2% 3%
what do you think it is so I will tell
you this with
confidence it is a lot higher than I
believed it was a year ago interesting
yeah it's a lot higher than I believe
you would think it is too which is why
and I said this on social media and some
people hit me on the left from it I said
I respect her for saying it even though
I disagree right because at least she
has the spine to say in public what many
other people not a majority not even
close to a majority but a lot of people
she's not alone she is voicing a view
that I think is widespread and you know
actually I what the hell we're here
we're just gonna gonna let loose a
little bit I had I had somebody textt me
who had run for position you you guys
might know her harit Dylan you know har
Dyan har meit's super cool so I hope
she's fine with me saying this because I
think it's important that the public
know we we can't just have these
conversations by closed doors not have
them in the open said that when she ran
for her position of being the chairwoman
of the RNC she had many people tell her
the same thing too which is interesting
to me because most of the Grassroots was
you know a lot of the Grassroots were
with me a lot of Grassroots were with
people like carmit but there are people
who believe that if you're electing
people to positions of leadership how
American you are is a spectrum when you
were out there campaigning did anybody
face you confront you and say I would
totally support you but you're too Brown
for me did anyone say so I had many of
those for religion so I didn't have
anybody come up and say that because of
well there were people on social media
who would make an argument it wasn't on
ethnicity and this is part of Ann's
Point too it's the point that your
parents were immigrants to this country
and so you are truly not at the highest
level of being American to be president
of the United States right so we had a
number of people that would say that
occasionally a much more common one
though for people to my face was I would
love to vote for you it's difficult for
me to vote for somebody else because I
agree with you more but I can't do that
because you are Hindu that came up a lot
especially in Iowa even the town hall
when we did somebody asked you one of
the ladies got up you remember that I
remember ask you a question but I
thought your answer was fantastic but
she I remember her she was she was I was
standing on stage she was standing right
there very thoughtful yes I don't think
she was in the category of saying I
can't vote for no she didn't say she
asked a very legitimate question is said
tell me about your faith right because
if you're running for president I got to
know who you are and if your faith is
important to you then in order to know
who you are I got to know your faith
that's different from I'm telling you
though I will face people in Iowa
there's Pastor in Iowa who wrote an
extensive Facebook post I spent two
hours with him on the back of a bus
talking it through and he still came out
on the other side as he said if it is
God's will for you to be the US
president I will accept it respect but I
can't vote for you myself myself because
I can't vote for somebody who doesn't
share my let me stay on this year so
first of all if strategically I don't
know if an cter wants to sell you some
product that Samy Sosa used I don't know
if you're familiar with Samy SAA Sammy
sa he wiin the skin wh Samy so I didn't
know that
I he used what Michael Jack if you're
interested this is real real real story
he got his skin to be lighter so you can
go couple shade you know lighter Rob I
don't know why you're laughing I'm
trying to make a solution here to make
an happy I'm not I'm not going to be a
customer I'm sorry but he was so by the
way this guy hit 66 home runs and he
saved MLB in 1998 let me go back to the
question here with this one here okay
what do you think's more extreme what do
you think is more extreme and tell me
how your argument is on the other side
so one side you know what I don't think
America because you know back in the
days what was JFK was Tom you said Roman
Catholic it was a Roman Catholic where
America those are the headlines when
Nixon was running it's a Roman Catholic
not ready for Roman Catholic President
okay and then America said nah we're
okay with it right actually cool with
that okay we're we actually cool with
that do you think give me which of these
are more extreme so do you think an
coulter's position of saying no not only
do I want you to be a c natural-born
citizen but I also want you to be white
to be a true nationalist to be a
president here how about the opposite
side what about somebody that wasn't
born here but has lived here for 35
years yeah should this person have the
right to run for office one day in
America if they paid their taxes they'
paid their dues they've lived in America
for 35 years should they have the chance
to run for office should they have the
chance to run for US president pres no
you want to know why cuz the
Constitution says so so if you want to
change change the Constitution and would
you have two-thirds of this country and
two3 of the state ratify that that's a
separate conversation but what the
Constitution says now is you have to be
a natural born citizen sure and a
natural born citizen as it's ever been
read by courts as it's ever been read
through American history for the last
century and a half is you're born in the
United States of America and so I think
the Constitution is a beautiful thing we
don't have to relitigate these questions
every generation go with what the
Constitution actually says and if an
cter is watching maybe an cter wants to
amend the Constitution and say naturally
born white citizen right with a skin
tone that is you know maybe be put tears
in the skin tone to to please anter what
do you think I'm just trying to get some
creative ideas here I mean Biden's
father's father's father's father are
all born in America I would much rather
vote for somebody like this than
somebody that's families families
families been here and ain't doing
well my opinion is this when it comes on
to VI and I I told you this last week I
think in you know how we were going to
the GOP debate we went to all the
debates and we'd watch VI and we're like
did this guy should crush it tomorrow on
the you know what do you call it the the
polls right and you'd go you're like 6
and a half% s and a half per. like how
this guy's not jumping up to 22% 18% and
you realize
because there's a guy in the way of that
not in the way he is what majority of
Republicans want to run at this year
2024 and his name is Donald J Trump by
the way rightly so he's earned the right
to be a lead dog of 2024 there's no
question about it there's a lot of
people that want him to go back and do
that what I'm very curious about very
very and by the way I want to ask you
know the audience's question Rob if you
want to run a poll for this is in my
opinion you know how when NBA or college
uh basketball a guy skips like the other
day we were with that basketball player
that was at the derby with us a tall guy
the center for uh uh Kansas I think he
left the team to go to Kansas tall guy
good-looking guy and we're having a
conversation with him and you so I think
this guy's going to be the number one
draft pickup next year Hunter Dickinson
yeah shout out to him really nice guy 72
but so to me my opinion of
2028 presidential candidate number one
draft pick
number one draft pick 2028 is VI I agree
100% I'm convinced it's number one and
in in a most curious way of just trying
to do case studies I am so curious to
know where let's just say whether Trump
wins or loses likely them him running in
2028 I don't think he's going to run in
2028 he wins okay a lot of he even
thinks in Jersey he said I think we can
win all 50 states is what he said I
don't if you heard of speech say he wins
2028 where's magga gonna want to go to
that can fill that void I don't know I
think it's uh it's going to be what do
you think about that the fact that a lot
of that audience you know I will say
this is I understand why the Republican
base went for Donald Trump so handily
this time around because it makes all
the sense in the world right it's not
just about policy Vision it's that this
guy's actually done it right so he's
tried and true and I hadn't done it
right I'm 38 years old I'm an
entrepreneur I lived the American dream
I have a vision that very closely aligns
with Donald Trump's America First
division you know some small differences
here and there in the campaign
but this is a guy who rarely in American
history do you get this opportunity it's
a Once in a century opportunity actually
the once in a century opportunity in
this election is usually you get to
measure an incumbent versus somebody
who's challenging him who says hey I'm
going to do all of these things that
I've never done R last time you got it
with Grover Cleveland this time you have
it this time around where you get to say
he I've got four years of trump of
action not words four years of action
and then four years of action with Biden
compare and make your choice so I think
the Republican primary base in
retrospect it was never going to be
anyone other than Donald Trump because
that is a rare and unique opportunity to
vote for actual Action Now MAA and
America First does not end with Donald
Trump in some ways it didn't begin with
Donald Trump it began in 1776 but Donald
Trump revived it but the question is
who's going to carry that forward and
it's not just going to be the president
it's going to be people all the way from
school board to Governor to state
legislator to city councilman but also
to US president as well and so I'll tell
you this I I'm not one of these guys who
makes elaborate plans to say okay well
if this happens then I'm going to do
that and if that doesn't happen I'm
going to do the next thing cuz it never
goes according to plan anyway but I'm
not going anywhere is what I'll tell you
is we're going to stay with this fight
for the country and wherever it leads
I'm going to do it I have a technical
question for you but I'll stop to ask
the question because Adam's got a
question what this technical question is
a very heavy question go ahead well Adam
go ahead I I I will say what I think but
I also give a a more of a macro opinion
I agree with Pat that you should be the
leading candidate in 2028 you have style
you have substance you have policy and
you have personality you got Pizzazz and
you also know your stuff I've said
openly and loudly VC is literally the
smartest guy I've ever sat down with
I've also said the following there's no
chance that the Republican base is
voting for a brown guy I've said it on
this podcast multiple times hear me out
because an couter said out loud what
many people are thinking and you said
yourself and this is going to be my
question oh I didn't realize that the
base actually wasn't ready for all this
now you're born in America you're from
Ohio I want to say more presidents have
come out of Ohio than any state in the
Union right it's up there seven seven or
so yep okay so as far as I go I would
vote for you in a heartbeat if you were
a Democrat if you were a woke
Progressive Dei guy checking all those
boxes bing bing bing you'd be the next
Obama no doubt you know you know you've
been said before skinny kid with a with
a a weird L that but the candidate on
the left on the right there there there
is a challenge there and I'm not saying
that you're going to go left here what
did you learn that you admittedly said I
had no idea that this was going to be
more of a challenge than I thought well
look I think a couple things first of
all to be clear to State the obvious I
think the reason I did not win the
Republican Presidential nomination has
nothing to do with my skin color it has
to do with he think so a part of Reas I
didn't win it think has to do with Trump
1 million exactly you have you have some
you somebody been and yes but then you
look at a lot of the data of the people
who were Ling me at I thought my support
in Iowa on the ground I mean the people
were drawing the energy level so high
compared to you see a lot of the other
candidates campaigning in Iowa very dull
yet many of those people with a lot of
energy coming to my stuff went in there
and voted for Donald Trump they love me
and what I had to say but they love
Donald Trump as the next US president
more and I number one draft pick and I
get that so that that's I think where it
comes from now did I learn something I
think I did underestimate
the trust Factor overall see so I put
all of these into a broader category of
building trust you're somebody new
somebody who's young somebody who yes is
a little different in a number of ways
you could put eth ethnic lineage
religion in that category you got a guy
who you know isn't known to most of the
American public yes I actually I mean
different people have different gifts
and I'm bad at a lot of things but one
of the things is I do like to explain my
views in detail and sometimes people
like that but some people sometimes
people find that skeptical too they're
skeptical of somebody who's going to
explain something in the way that I do
is he just selling me on something that
he doesn't really believe in so all of
that I think came together to say that
they got to know me this time around
many people many of our supporters once
they became sta supporters didn't go
back I mean these are people who even to
this day are running through Vault walls
to try to advance my vision for this
country but I think unambiguously the
reason why I wasn't the nominee this
time is because was a guy who was proven
who had done it who I am supporting
fully by the way and who I hope is the
ex president and I think that's actually
the most important takeaway and so I'm
not of the view that uh somebody can't
win a Republican or Democratic
nomination for that matter based on
their skin color if the white guy can
win the Democratic nomination for a race
obsessed left certainly a non-white guy
can win the Republican nomination for a
for a party that on term stands fair to
say and I agree with Pat like number one
candidate 2028 is it fair to say I know
you don't want to probably look at too
far uh when do you make a decision like
2028 the Vex running it back I'll tell
you here's what I will say is I hope
that I'm not in the position to have to
run for president consider running for
president for this country if we're in
good shape as a country I there's not a
job I need to do I really don't I enjoy
doing I mean think about kind of stuff
I've taken up till after the campaign
re-engaging the creative side of my
brain taking on a lot of projects in the
private sector I'm an entrepreneur at
heart I'm a father of two sons I enjoy
nothing more in this world than raising
those two boys if this country I don't
believe this country requires somebody
to step up and actually make that
sacrifice if we're back to normal times
hell no I'm not running for president
but the only reason I would do it is if
I believ this country actually required
it so I'm hoping this as one man I'm
hoping that we're not there and if we
are there that means there's a job that
needs to be done because I'm doing it as
a father right I want my kids to grow up
in a country greater than the one that I
grew up in and that my parents came to I
hope that's not the position we're going
to be in in 2028 after four successful
years of Trump's presidency I hope that
this is a job that somebody else can do
to carry forward but if it's required
that means it's going to be urgent for
theut you mean to tell me the $400,000
year salary doesn't attct well now you
didn't mention that part now I got to I
got to
rethink last question with that the
amenities in that white house let say
hypothetically let's say hypothetically
Trump does lose hypothetically does that
mean all but certain you're going to
throw your I think if Trump loses this
country's in deep trouble right right
and and my work for this country all of
our work for this country can't wait for
even four years that's got to start
immediately and so that's the way I'm
approaching it even right now I think
we're skating on thin ice as a country
every one of us has to look ourselves in
the eye and say how are we going to make
a difference now not going to plant who
knows a four years from now is going to
look even the way it does today you got
to start right now and so that's the
urgency with I'm approaching this year I
think politics is not the only way to
drive positive change in the country
people forget that a lot of this is
going to happen through the private
sector through our educational system
I've lived the American dream be smarter
through philanthropy even I think there
are a lot of different ways that we must
be required to drive that change in the
country and so as I said the only chance
I would run for president in the future
is if I felt like the future of the
country depended on someone like me
stepping up to do it and let's hope
we're not there so let's talk about
current jobs let's just say the
president calls you
former president who's running right now
Trump calls he wins um VI I want you to
be the VP I want you to be uh after he
wins d a i want you to be Secretary of
Commerce I want you to be is there any
job you would say no to if he called you
to say I want you to help me with XYZ
job well look I think I think it would
be work more like a conversation right
in terms of where am I going to have
maximal impact and if he proposed a job
where I thought I wasn't going to be
effective I thought I wasn't going to
make best use of my skill set I've got a
relationship with Donald Trump who I
respect immensely where we're going to
have a conversation about that and
actually set up for maximal impact for
the country if if he knows who I am and
we've got to know each other really well
if after knowing all of that he would
ask me to be vice president or you know
let's you you brought up that example
let's just answer really honestly
anybody who cares about this country
who's aligned with his vision in the
Republican party today if they're asked
to be vice president is going to say yes
and has a responsibility to say yes and
so I think that that goes without saying
then you go one by one through the other
positions I think we know each other
well enough that I'm not going to get
some suggestion that wouldn't match up
with my skills or my interest but I do
think that one of the things I'm going
to be looking at is how do I maximize
impact for the country every one of us
has our own unique god-given gifts we
got five of us here six of us including
our our what's it Rob all right six of
us in this room blowing up on my neck
every one of us has different skills and
by the way he has different skills than
I do God knows I couldn't be doing what
he's doing I'll tell you that for sure
every one of us has our own unique
god-given gifts and we got to look
ourselves in the mirror and ask
ourselves how are we going to use those
gifts to do what is right for this
country in the short time that we're
given and so I'm going to do that think
about things that I talked about during
the campaign that were very important to
me I think fixing this issue of illegal
immigration and border security in this
country fundamental draining the swamp
actually got the mass deportation number
one of a million illegals who have
already been given their final orders of
removal and millions more who are in
this country illegally that's the first
mass deportation but the second Mass
deportation I care about is the mass
deportation of 3 million Federal
bureaucrats out of Washington DC so I
think those are both pretty important
areas that the next Administration and
the next president can score some pretty
quick wins on actually draining the
swamp actually gutting the bureaucracy
and actually fixing this border crisis
and the illegal immigration problem
those are things I've been focused on
over the last last year so there's no
job he calls you and going to say no to
well I think that I think there's
probably if he called me with the job
that I didn't think I was well suited to
help this country through I would tell
him that and I think that we would have
a conversation moving in a different
direction okay so let me ask you another
question have you ever technically
killed a
dog not only and WR about it it's
important people nowadays I never
thought people ask this question it's a
I I not I've not even non-technically
killed okay I just want to I'm a
vegetarian man he's I know that let me
stay on this year let me stay on this
year so here's another question for you
so we had a guy in Dallas billionaire
and one of his former CFOs ends up
working for us and this guy's like you
know everybody that was ever his CFO
they always got fired he says but I knew
when to quit before he fired me because
I didn't want to be part of the list of
getting fired right and I always been
like you know what what a way of
processing the issue you know quit
before you get
fired when you think about guys that
went and worked for for him that
accepted a job how do you feel about the
fact that say he gives you a job and
then a month 3 months 6 months 9 months
later he fires you how do you process
that with your chances of 2028 does that
fear at all consume your mind at all
okay not at all I'm just not wired that
way I mean Patrick I got to tell you
something because you're an entrepreneur
too but
sure first of all it's been a long time
since I've been in an employment
situation right I've been I I I word it
not for serving this country and
particularly Donald Trump in the
presidency I couldn't imagine working
for somebody period again in my life
told myself I wasn't going to do that
this would be working for a guy but this
this is working for the country and this
is that's what Donald Trump is doing
he's working for the country sure that's
what he's doing too you know who the
ultimate boss is in this job taxpayer
it's the people the citizens of this
country actually taxpayers but the
citizens of the United States of America
that's the ultimate boss so that's who
Donald Trump's going in to work for and
in serving and helping him do a good job
that's who I'm going to go in and work
for if if if he'd like to have me that
Administration and if he's successful
winning this election okay so that's the
way I think about it and so no I'm
not maybe it'd be more successful if I
were this way but I'm not wired this way
where you make these nested charts and
say okay well there's this scenario and
that thing could happen one of the
things I've discovered is every time
I've earlier phases of my life tried to
do that it never went according to that
plan anyway your plans are stupid
actually you got to have a you got to
have a broad strategy you got to have a
broad purpose but it once you sort of
get into the different tactics and try
to pretend like you know everything
that's going to happen when in fact you
have no idea none of us has any idea
what's going to happen I mean I don't
mean to say this in a in a morbid
way but we're at greater risk of
something terrible happening in this
country in the next year in the next
seven months then probably we've been in
any time in our adult lifetime probably
In Our Lifetime perod agre with got 10
million people who entered this country
illegally so we're sitting here I can't
be pontificating about oh here's the
position that I would like versus a
different position and I'm that's the
job I'm going to do that's going to set
me up for 2028 I'm worried we're going
to have serious bad stuff that goes down
in this country of a scale we haven't
seen in 20 years and how are we going to
prevent that from happening they've
warned us every week Christopher Ray's
warning that something's happening
Anthony blinkin it's like guys get ready
get ready and they keep showing all
these movies of Leave the World Behind
Civil War they're prepping us for
something big and they're going to say
we told you but what's important about
what you just said is the fact that
whatever the president chooses to hire
you for when you guys process it
together your game because it's America
first whatever America needs me today
I'm willing to do it's not me first it's
not Donald Trump first it's America
first that's what I love about Trump and
I think I'm going to try to spread that
across this country everybody I can so
while we're on this topic both of you
guys have a
reputation okay he has a reputation of
firing a lot of people he had a show
called Apprentice that he was firing
everybody in Jersey he said I can't wait
to go to president have you seen this
clip Rob or no I can't wait type in
Trump Biden your fire
type in Trump Biden you're fired right
and and and I'm going somewhere with
this so if you can find it I think
that's the one right there yeah that's
it if you can zoom in and play this clip
V watch this this is good go ahead I'm
sure nobody ever saw The Apprentice that
was a big hit that's a big hit that was
a big powerful hit but I'm going to look
at that guy and I'm going to say Joe
Biden you're the worst ever Joe Biden
you're fired get out of here you're
fired so he's he wants to fire Jo
how does it feel knowing you're the one
that fired R
McDaniel you so I'm a big fan of move
forward right you got a goal if if
somebody's in a job they shouldn't be in
and it's causing negative results I
believe in accountability but you know
what I made a promise which is I got
nothing against her personally zero
nothing against her personally I just
think she was not the right person for
the job so now that she's out of the way
yeah that's never wait a minute wait a
minute we I got nothing I know you don't
but it said it was wrong in the history
of theb please play this real he went
after everybody most epic Opening Ever
we we here 40 years 40 years from now a
kid is Professor is teaching poly in
some University they're going to show
this as a case study go is this the one
or is the shorter one this is 2 minutes
can you find is it I have the shorter
one where he just offers the remainder
of his time one that's what I want you
to do play that one right there go and
play this clip go ahead answer the
Republican establishment and speak the
truth I mean since Ron McDaniel took
over as chairwoman of the RNC in 2017 we
have lost 2018 2020 2022 no red wave
that never came we got trounced last
night in 2023 and I think that we have
to have accountability in our party for
that matter Ron if you want to come on
stage tonight you want to look the GOP
voters in the eye and tell them you
resign I will turn over my yield my time
to you and I but by the way I mean you
know you realize you indirectly I mean
you hurt uh uh unemployment rate cuz
somebody lost a job that day that that
was a publicly to do it the way you did
it V so I am I am unsparing when a job
needs to get done and somebody's
standing in the way I will stop at
nothing I'm a dog with a bone until we
get the job done but after that I'm not
looking back at the at the at the person
we moved out of the way I'm looking
forwarding yep exactly because we got we
got bigger obstacles along the way so
that's the way I'm wired but yes you can
count you have my commitment that
whatever I do in the future I'm not
going to I'm not going to play with on
this topic on this topic I've asked Kobe
this I've asked Shaq this question on
this topic you can't vote for yourself
right when he like hey put a starting
five together can I include myself no
you can't count your I don't know if you
can answer this question or not out of
all the people can Rob can you pull up
the the the the Vegas odds that Adam
invented can you pull that
up one the Vegas odds because this is a
qualifier now do you know which one I'm
talking about is this the one Adam or uh
there's a better one this is fine so you
got Tim Scott Doug beram uh Tulsi gabard
Alisa stefanic Rubio Carson VI Haley
DeSantis Huckabee G out of those who do
you think would be a if president Trump
is asking a question saying you know
give me counsel who do you think would
be a good VP selection what would you
say you look I mean In fairness I'm not
going to be with not going to be with
Trump for much of the rest of this week
right and so I I'm not going to publicly
air what my private counsel is to him
just as somebody who's asking me for
actual advice I'm not maybe not Trump
asking maybe I'm asking you're like I'm
going to Vegas I'm saying hey vve who
would be a good you know person to bet
on if I'm going to Vegas tomor I'll say
some I'll say I'll say a few good things
about a couple of people on this list
right somebody I got to know pretty
recently is Ben Carson he is somebody
who so he came to Columbus Ohio it's my
hometown I got I met him for the first
time there we've done podcast and
everything together right but I will
tell you that he is some who my wife
she's a physician she is a throat
surgeon when she was in undergrad there
was somebody who visited her when she
was at Yale and gave an inspiring talk
to a small group on why he became a
surgeon that man was Ben Carson get out
of here right so I mean my wife she's
excellent at what she does she's one of
I can only imagine how many people that
man's actually given inspiration to and
the funny thing is he wasn't supposed to
be a good student right he was a guy who
never victimized himself based on his
skin color but he wasn't the best in his
class he told me for a while until he
actually studied and got the heck ahead
and so I like that spirit and I like the
fact that there's a role for
everybody would I have voted for Ben
Carson over Donald Trump in a
presidential primary when they ran
against each other no that's a different
story but would do I believe that he is
somebody whose heart is in the right
place and who is learned a lot and has a
level of wisdom and could actually
provide a level of counsel to somebody
in executive position absolutely I do
and has he given inspiration to a lot of
people including my wife including to me
I think I think I would say that about
him right now who's going to who's going
to be the best vice president there's
some other people on that list too I
hadn't seen that list by the way so
that's interesting that you brought it
up I think that's up to each chief
executive to decide you don't say okay
who's the CEO going to hire in a role
and then somebody armchair
quarterbacking that decision so I've got
good things to say about a number of
people on this list but I just picked
Ben because I met him recently and he's
a he's a truly good-hearted man who
loves this country and I think is
different I also have a love of
Outsiders I don't like people who grew
up in the I don't like when people who
grew up in politics remain in that
festering swamp of politics so I think
it's good when you got somebody who's
been a surgeon or somebody who's been a
businessman coming in from the outside
to shake things up what do you think
about Tulsi look I like Tulsi because
she's an independent thinker actually
she's somebody who tell you a funny
story about uh Dy we had we were at a
dinner
recently I'm sure I hope all these
people don't mind me just sharing these
these stories but whatever it's kind of
fun we were at a Mexican restaurant in
uh Texas and the funny thing about Tulsi
is so I'm usually in this position okay
where we go to Mexican restaurant I told
you I didn't kill the dog you asked me
but I'm vegetarian right so we've done
this we've done this when you and I have
had lunch together right so somebody
will come by and I was like oh is this
you know is this thing vegetarian is
this thing veget it's kind of holds up
the whole table it's a little bit
inconvenient but whatever I'm raised
that way it's part of my conviction and
so I do it anyway this time we're going
around the table and we're at a Mexican
restaurant and there's all the usual
questions oh is your rice vegetarian is
your beans vegetarian I'm not the one
asking the questions it's tulsy gabard
and so I got to just say okay good she
she did all the hard work I said you
know I'm going to have what she's
having which is funny but I respected
that because it was it still showed
somebody who say what you will about the
conviction at least has some conviction
I also love the fact that she has been
outspoken against a lot of the foreign
intervention that hasn't best served
this country and I think that she is in
her heart as best I can tell somebody
who is against unnecessary War I share
that in common I think Donald Trump
shares that in common I think it's a
beautiful thing that we could use more
of in both parties frankly and so you
know I've got positive things to say
about a lot of people on that list in
terms of who's as a vice president role
that's a decision that one man should
gets to make and that's the person who's
the president which is hopefully let ask
your question though so with with the an
culture and you know and the position
that you said about you know the magas
and the people the 7% low percent how
much if VI if Trump picks Vive to be the
vice president how much does that help
him for the 2028 election like where
does that crowd go oh if P if if he's
bringing him as vice president then
we're 100% going all in instead of the
an that's it like I'm just curious how
much you think that that shifts if Trump
actually puts him as vice president and
V becomes a vice president and for four
years they see these two just go after
the Deep State go after everybody flip
everybody off and like this is America
First what's up how much do those people
say you know what I don't care he could
be an from anywhere we're going for him
Tom what do you think
think I this fascinating me I'm watching
the analyst here know I I'd love to see
him pick you uh for all the reasons that
I think I articulated once before um and
this is this is sincere that is a
qualified list there tulsi's been on the
podcast we've talked to her we we know
some of these people and so we've been
able to do a little bit more than just a
than just a you know inspection well
watching them on TV we we've met them
and you know what you are articul you
are stick smart I would love to see my
personal hope and dream was that if you
weren't VP you'd be AG because I think
an attorney general that just that just
would cut through it um would be strong
but I I think you would absolutely be a
benefit to the country because you're no
BS and you're really smart and you're
driven on it and and that's what I think
and I think right now America's just
kind of playing a parlor game of who's
going to be where and and Trump's
hopefully taking really great Council
from really great people and I'm glad
you'll be with them this week but but
what time but how much do you think
helps diplomatic time I'm saying real
answer how much of that percentage that
they said what like 7% or whatever how
much do you think that that shifts and
they just say listen Trump has some SVP
once Trump is done we don't everybody's
going to vivec how much you think that
percentage goes of his chances to be the
president oh I I I think it goes a lot I
think I think it move it as much as 50%
because I think any rational person has
to look at both men that are currently
the presumptive candidates and say the
VP this time is very important on an
Actuarial basis yeah
well just to cut through the Clutter
here the VP pick will be the next
leading candidate for the presidency in
2028 just to cut through that but on
this topic think so I just yeah I mean I
I'm just in the camp where I'm I respect
the people who have a lot of conviction
about telling something in the future
I'm actually one of the things I found
is I'm very good at understanding what
my convictions are in the present
I'm not particularly good at predicting
oneoff facts in the future right so I I
stick to the business that I'm best at
which is identifying my own convictions
and following them but I'm finding the
conversation fascinating I got say on
this list you've shared the stage with
you know many people on this list I know
you're a vegetarian VC but there's only
one person you had full-on beef with and
that is Nikki Haley yeah you see her
odds here thoughts on Nikki thoughts on
her as a VP and was that beef actual
because she at one point like it got
personal what was that experience yeah I
think it was it was interesting I don't
think I've um I don't think I've talked
about this one before either my first
time meeting Nikki Haley was actually
her reaching out to me proactively when
very few people in this country know who
I was to set up a call with me MH I had
I was just rolling out my book woke in
and I got to give her some credit I mean
my understanding is apparently I mean I
only know the excerpts that have come
out from Christin H's book but
apparently she reached out to chrisy H
too this is somebody who has has been
for a long time identifying who are
going to be the potential players in the
future this is long before I thought of
myself as even a player in politics and
so she set up a half hour Zoom call
congratulated me on what a good job I
was said this is this is interesting I
wonder what's going on there so I think
that I always had a I will tell you it
left me a little skeptical actually was
the response that I had because I was so
flat a lot of things that were said to
flatter me someone proactively reached
out to have a conversation I'm a guy who
not many people have heard of I said
what was the objective there right I was
a little bit I was a little bit cynical
and I think that one of the things I
learned is this isn't specific to her
but I have I'm basically the opposite of
what I've observed many professional
politicians to be right many
professional politicians are all about
trying to figure out what you want to
hear and then telling you more of that
and I'm in the business of identifying
what my own convictions are as human
beings have have some of those changed
or you believe 10 years ago the same as
you believe today no but what are my
convictions what are my most deeply held
convictions today and how do I stand for
them and so when I look at people who
have grown up in that sport of
professional politics and then Embrace
policies that sometimes align with their
own self-interest but the expense of the
country yeah that really does get under
my skin and so you know I think a lot of
the divide that you saw between me and
Nikki on the debate stage was grounded
in deep-seated policy differences
deep-seated differences in what a
politician and a public figure and a
leader of a country is supposed to be is
it somebody who has very carefully
crafted and plann what they're supposed
to say and then carefully rolls that out
through careful rigors of pole testing
and consultant vetting or is it somebody
who's sharing their honest convictions
is it somebody who believes the sole
role of a public servant is to S serve
the public or that it's okay to Serve
Yourself along the way those are
fundamental ideological divides and I
think that's what you saw spilling over
there a little bit you also saw I think
a little bit of the chess game of
candidates during the primaries right
yeah you make alliances and you go after
people that are perceptibly starting to
roll up in the polls and she and Chris
Christie did that so there's also a
little of that going on right yeah we
were watching it during the break them
talking to each other yeah and by the
way what do you think the Santa stands
now now that everything is over with and
in the breaks I would watch you always
go to him to speak with them I think we
were standing by each other most of the
time that was sort of the but it was
always you trying to find a way
wouldn't engage yeah I think I think um
there's one or two instances I think
there was I mean I try to be polite
right I think um I think he was saying
something like mnra vaccine and I just
wanted to be respectful I don't want to
call him out on stage for it but it's
you know I told him it's yeah I mean
just small stuff right uh it's friendly
you know friendly little tip here and
there I remember that was one of the
instances where are you guys good do you
guys communicate or not at all we've I
don't think we've I don't think we've
communicated since the campaign I saw
him at NASCAR I remember that went to
Daytona 500 we were both in the uh
pregame pregame routine they had um
maybe I've seen them once or twice but I
I think I've got no particular beef with
with Ron I think that no relationship
either like you guys haven't broke bread
had dinner we don't there's other people
I'm text message relationship with you
know but not him I I we don't we never
exchange numbers but I will say that
backstage it was always it was always
relatively relatively courtious they got
kids of the same age you know I think
aorv and Casey sat next to each other at
some of the debates and so we've got
we've got you know no beef there okay
let's go to the next topic next topic
Michael Cohen Rob if you want to put I
don't know if you got any of the clips
or not Michael Cohen testifies Trump's
uh backed payments to suppress news that
could hurt 2016 campaign this is a
reuter story and then he comes out and
you know he says what he says Adam if
I'm not mistaken What's the phrase that
he used he said just do it regarding the
hush money payments he can punch in on
that told him to he used the
Nike what's been so Michael K testified
that he Donald Trump National choir
publisher David pecker collaborated to
suppress negative stories damag in Trump
2016 campaign exemplified by $130,000
stormmy Daniels uh to silence her about
a sexual encounter she alleged cooh and
recounted Trump's uh directive to
prevent the release of Ken mcdougall's
story of an affair with the trumps
asking so what is he going to be
testifying tomorrow too apparently he's
going to he just I'm going to be there
tomorrow I'll be there tomorrow really
you're in the coure I'm going to the
courtroom tomorrow fantastic yeah so but
by the way what what do you think about
all all of this with everything that's
going on here how much of this is
helping how much of this is hurting how
are you processing this yeah I mean I'm
not following the dayto day obviously as
the trials running but I read about the
summaries in the evening and I wanted to
go tomorrow more just as a as a friend
and now supporter of trump to be able to
actually show support by being present
not you know in anyone's any other
capacity other than my own but I will
say that every day this trial precedes
the trend that I've seen I didn't today
but up to today all we've seen is one
more layer of the onion of how the whole
thing's a charade right if you think
about
this imagine if a good way to imagine
whether something's a politicized
prosecution is right because everyone's
going to be you know MSNBC has their
histrionic points and then they would
look at people who are Defenders of
trump like myself as being partisans on
the other side here's a good litmus test
okay if the prosecution's theory of the
case said you did something wrong m what
if you had done the exact opposite thing
okay okay let's let's play that out then
that should mean you did not do
something wrong right let's let's try
that on this set of facts on this set of
facts the basic theory of the case is
the prosecution says in order for them
to charge this as a felony that Donald
Trump's payment to Stormy Daniels should
have been recorded as a campaign
contribution that's the heart of the
case without that they couldn't charge
this as a felony it would only be a
misdemeanor that's outlive the statute
of limitations the falsifying business
records it's outside the statute of
limitations it's a misdemeanor not a
felony the only basis for this being a
felony is if there's a different
underlying crime which what they allege
is that he made effectively a campaign
contribution without it being recorded
as such so now apply my test if the
prosecution says that's the thing you
did and it's wrong imagine you did the
exact opposite what would the exact
opposite be the exact opposite would be
Donald Trump using campaign funds to
make a personal hush money
payment in that scenario I have no doubt
these people would be going after him
and they would have a much stronger case
in that scenario so now think about it
if he did thing a right just got to
break the step he did thing a and you
said that's wrong let's say he did the
exact opposite of thing a and did thing
B and you would have an even stronger
case for him then that means you were
going to get him no matter what so that
is the proof that this is a politicized
persecution through prosecution I think
everybody kind of knows it in their
bones but you got to just see it damn
you do damned if you don't literally
they're going to get him going or get
him coming and that I think is the
airtight proof that this thing is a sham
it's been a sham since day one it's
revealed itself to be a sham throughout
the course of this trial and I think it
will be a stain on the history of our
country if this man is convicted in the
middle of a presidential election on the
back of these bogus charges that's what
I believe it's so embarrassing here's
what CNM was saying to go ahead and play
this
Rob but I've never seen a witness who
has lied to Congress who's lied in court
who's lied to the IRS who's lied to the
southern district of New York who lied
to his Banker you know the entire
prosecution witness team has been lied
to by Michael Cohen I mean this is
CNN this is not Fox News saying this I'm
shocked can you imagine like your
friends with Michael Cohen you go out to
dinner hey Michael what I'm about to
tell you right now you can't tell
anybody oh trust me I'm not telling
nobody oh he's the worst half the
world's going to find out what you're
doing with so and they're using Michael
cooh what type of credibility does he
have left to even get up there where
they're like yeah this guy's a credible
doesn't that actually hurt them instead
of help them you would think but you
know that you could say that about this
whole trial that's exactly the effect
it's had wouldn't that hurt them rather
than help them to Levy false charges
against a former US president and that
has been the effect that it's had I
think a lot of people are saying that
you know what do I agree with everything
Donald Trump has ever said in his life
no did I vote for him in 2020 some of
them may say no but do I believe that it
is wrong for a party in power to use the
powers of prosecu U to try to lock up
their political opponents in the middle
of an election that's foundational stuff
that's the stuff of tearing down our
democracy and so a lot of those people
are actually coming Trump's way this
year and for good reason and I think
that's good for the country and so
wouldn't this be expected to work
against them that's effectively what
you've seen at every step of the way so
yeah it's no surprise it would apply to
this one too yeah were you going to say
something or no yeah well if Trump did
go to jail I think 80% of Trump's base
uh said they would vote for him no
matter matter what 4% said that they
would it would change their vote 16%
would reconsider how much would it help
Trump for him to actually go to jail cuz
Pat made a very impassionate case I
don't know a week ago like send him to
jail lock him up see what happens what
are your thoughts I think it would be
devastating for the country I think it
would be embarrassing for the United
States of America that other countries
would look at us and see a party in
power and a regime that locks up a
political opponent on fous charges if
this had happened in any other country
we'd call it a Banana Republic an
autocracy so I would be ashamed as an
American as a citizen of this nation I
would be ashamed if that's what happens
but electorally I think that it would
have the effect of doing the thing that
we're already on the trajectory to do
which is to elect Donald Trump with a
decisive mandate and I do think this has
to be a decisive mandate 50.1 isn't
going to cut it this time a decisive win
minus some Shenanigans is still a
decisive Victory right and so I think
that's why a landslide is required and I
think a landslide is very well what
they're setting us up for this time
around and and and the other case uh
vivec the one that uh the FBI planted
documents at Mar Lago Jack Smith an FBI
agent involved apparently they took
photos of uh secret document uh the
cover letters on top of them and then
the case was suspended indefinitely it's
like every single one of these is a sham
it's all it's all BS so V my thing is
this let's say God willing he beats all
these you know he doesn't get arrested
he he gets in that same swamp VC those
same people these same judges these same
they're all still going to be there I
understand trying to drain the swamp but
that swamp you drain it that's getting
filled right back up you know what I
mean how how does he fight that I mean
the way I look at it is it's like a
eight-headed Hydra okay it's like a
monster and you cut off one of the heads
it grows right back you got to slay the
beast at its core right and so this is
going to require doing the hard thing
the easy thing to do is to say I'm going
to fire Christopher Ray and replace I'm
going to fire the head of this agency or
replace him I think the harder thing is
to say we're actually going to get in
there and shut it down actually and is
there some risk to doing this of course
there is right there's efficiency risk
is there going to be some inconveniences
from shutting down agencies that are
presumably doing at least some important
work many of them aren't but even if you
presume there's one iota important work
they're doing is there some
inconvenience yes but you're always
taking a risk sometimes the risk is that
you don't cut enough fat well the
opposite of that risk can't be oh I'm
just going to cut exactly the amount
needed no you can't say you're going to
do that the opposite risk you're taking
is you cut so much that you cut some
muscle so which risk are you going to
take I take the risk of now the point in
our country's history that we live in
things have gotten so dire I will take
the risk of cutting some muscle and
building back what we overcut than the
risk of not cutting enough why do I say
that because we've seen what the other
model looks like the thing just Grows
Right
Back and and this is where I think the
Republican Party struggles a little bit
right we talk big game as a party about
the weaponization of government but push
comes to shove what do you do
reauthorize fisa 702 not even
reauthorize it that's a mistake expand
it that's what they did to give that
very government the tools of Greater
weaponization that you were once going
on cable television on evening to
complain about okay you have Republicans
that will complain about the grow
overgrowth of the administrative state
yet actually vote to authorize the
expansion of those same agencies and so
I think that the partisan
jockeying here the partisan Jousting is
really a little bit of theater I I don't
think that Republicans most of them at
least have been overly serious about
actually draining the swamp about
actually gutting the bureaucracy I don't
think they've even been very serious
about actually sealing the Border or
dealing with mass migration in this
country because if you had a party that
does have a majority of the house now
and has had majorities of the House and
Senate for a lot of the last 20 years we
would not be where we are right now and
so yeah I know a lot of people in the
business of just claiming the but the
radical Biden agenda and I complain
about that plenty myself as well but if
we want to actually have the result in
2024 that we should have we can't just
be complaining about the other side we
got to stand for our own vision and what
we actually stand for that's why we
didn't have the Red Wave in 2022 it
wasn't because of abortion it wasn't
because of trump it was because the
Republicans got lazy and all we would do
is complain about the radical Biden
agenda that's not enough
we got to actually stand by our own
convictions and say here are the risks
we're willing to take to save this
country because if we don't we're not
going to have a country left this is
what we stand for right and I think for
cutting those agencies for 3 million
Federal bureaucrats being firing for
actually moving our own military to our
own Southern border and completing the
wall and ending Birthright citizenship
for the kids of illegals and yes it's
logic if you've had the largest mass
influx of illegal migrants in American
history then it makes sense that you
have the largest mass deportation in
American history those are the kinds of
things we got to stand by which you know
what's funny some people may say are
those extreme
policies to the contrary you go to
places like the south side of Chicago
you go to the inner cities across this
country talking about those border
policies talking about actually funding
American causes versus foreign interests
in places like Ukraine most people
actually even on the left in the inner
cities are actually sympathetic to
Republicans who are willing to stake out
those actual positions and so that's the
opportunity I see and I hope we don't
squander it I got a I got a question I
want to get to because one of the things
you're noticing with the Democratic
party they seem to be very United where
Republicans they seem to be competing
against each other because there's an
element of them I can do it on my own I
don't need you you know this versus
Democrats like no no no we need against
each other because the enem is on the
other side sometimes you see a little
bit of a civil war on the left but you
see more of it on the Republican side
than the Democratic side Trump just
recently said said this is a the part of
his speech Donald Trump I support
Israel's right to win its war on terror
okay so this is a uh do you have the
video Rob is I go and play this clip
Joe's action is one of the worst
betrayals of an American Ally in the
history of our country I support
Israel's right to win its war on terror
is that okay I don't know I don't know
if that's good or bad politically I
don't care you got to do what's right
you got it was a terrible attack October
7th was a terrible attack I don't know
it's probably bad politically but I
don't care you have to do the right
thing there would there would have been
no war in Gaza with me in the White
House there would not have even been a
chance you know Iran was broke when I
was President I said if you buy oil
anybody buys oil from Iran they can't do
business with the United States they
were totally broke now they have $250
billion they made it all in 3 and half
years do you agree with them so look I
think every nation has an absolute right
to defend itself and Israel does too I
think that that's a different point from
whether or not the United States should
be meddling in other people's business
around the world you take a look at
what's going on in Armenia aeran right
where's the United States tackling that
crisis right selective selective my
myopia here you got this I don't know
how deep you want to go to this but here
you've got the United States staying
seemingly silent as you got azerbijan
displacing 120,000 Armenian Christians
from the nagoro kabak region which since
the early 1990s has been agreed this is
exactly where they're allowed to be but
it's not just that the United States is
staying silent because that would be
hypocritical relative to the
intervention in other parts of the world
it's that the United States is funding
azerbijan to actually commit those
atrocities the United States have been
funding this Behavior so I could go on
for just a list of hypocrisies in other
parts of the world that we ignore but we
go into certain areas where we say hey
the US has to intervene here when in
fact it's all I think I think it's all
been a product of coherent foreign
policy coming out of both political
parties and so I come back to First
principles every nation has an absolute
right to defend itself and its own
borders the United States of America is
failing to do that right now I think the
United States of America is patently
failing to defend our own borders and
that's a big problem for us but on the
flip side Israel had a breach of its own
borders and by the way people aren't
focused on this question but I think
it's a legitimate one what the hell
happened there I mean that was
ridiculous it was it was a it was a
ridiculous failure of border security if
that could happen in Israel that could
happen right here in the United States
of America that should be our wakeup
call but if they did have their border
security breached if that was us in the
United States I wouldn't want some other
country telling me that I can't actually
defend my own Nation well I don't think
that Israel should be taking slack from
other people who say that they're going
to micromanage how Israel responds to
its own attack as well that's the way I
look at it did you think this this was
going to be
a um you know we're looking at the dates
of when George Floyd happened I think
it's May 25th of 2020 we've been talking
about that a lot lately where the day he
got shot not the shot the day he got
killed what is it 8 minutes and 46
seconds or 9 minutes and 46 seconds
whatever the time was that happened May
26th of I think he died May 25th but the
protest start on May 26th if I'm not
mistaken so if you go to it the fouryear
anniversary is coming up it's two weeks
from now yeah how much it is pro-israel
pro Palestine G Seinfeld if he can show
this he's simply the keynote speaker
graduating class of Duke right and he's
up there he's about to get up there on
stage you just had the video a minute
ago Rob if you Jerry Seinfeld he's at
the um it shows as one of your yellow
videos so I think you may have it uh uh
no the walk out right there so this is
him yeah this is Duke if you can play
the
audio and the pro Palestine students get
up and they're simply
walking out now this is Duke University
this isn't Berkeley this isn't a lot of
times like listen to the boo though
who's the guy that played here gr H
played for Duke right what was one of
theti but you know what nickname they
had for GR when he played for Duke and I
think it was Jaylen Rose that said kid
yeah black kids that play at uh uh Duke
they're he gave them a n Uncle Tom I
don't know what num name they gave him
but there was something like and I don't
know if it's Jaylen Rose but that was
the reputation anybody that goes to Duke
you're a Republican or you're
conservative so this has happened on a
campus like this so Pro Palestine pro
Israel how much of this division you
think is intentional how much of it is
real how much of it is divisive how much
of it is manipulation you know because
it's bleeding into businesses it's
bleeding into universities it's bleeding
into families it's bleeding in media
network is it real is it fake is it
intentional so I think couple things
there such an interesting topic here one
is I i' like to start with just facts
when I heard about the description of
this video I was say hey let me watch
the video the video actually surprised
me right I imagined like when it was
this student walk out from duke I was
imagining like many of those students
flooding out what do you see there you
see like a small trickle of people
holding a flag they probably don't even
know what it is walking out and most of
them are being booed as they're doing it
for interrupting the commencement you
saw the same thing at University of
Michigan actually a fringe minority as
they're being removed from disrupting
the proceedings you have upros in the
audience so so I think this the first
thing to observe is what you're seeing
first of all is not some tyranny of the
majority it is a tyranny of The Fringe
minority actually that's the first
observation the second observation is
now let's double click on that Minority
right that Fringe minority it'd be one
thing Patrick if
we talked to those people they had a
deep historical understanding of dating
back to not only 1960 or 1940 but dating
back to 0 or 200 BC and make a
historical case for why this land does
not belong to Israel and deserves to be
autonomous and from The River To The Sea
could they name which river and which
sea that'd be one thing that's not what
we're talking about here we're talking
about a group of students and it's not
just students but it's a
generation that is largely lost and I
don't say that insulting anybody I say
it in some ways regretting our own
failures as the generation that came
before them to give them purpose and
meaning in this country the very people
who
were protesting after George Floyd's
death and by then what were we talking
about violent riots I mean that was
actually one of the interesting things
is you're seeing a lot more media
attenion here you didn't get a lot of
media attention in 2020 when they were
bashing in storefronts in the inner city
across and burning down cities in places
like Minneapolis and Wisconsin that
didn't make the news in the way that
this is right now which is interesting
but it's many of the same people or the
same kinds of people adopting this cause
as their latest cause dour and so what
do I think is going on it's a tyranny of
The Fringe minority most of the people
in that Fringe minority aren't actually
against what they claim to be against
it's just that they don't even know what
they actually stand for they are lost
some of them on these campuses you could
even listen to some of the tapes in the
last few months they were chanting into
F that's they thought they were chanting
but they were actually chanting infit
which is not even a word right so
they're chanting stuff they don't even
know what it means right they're hungry
to be part of something bigger than
themselves yet they can't even answer
what it means to be an American and and
one thing I will say
is you got one thing that I gotta be
honest annoys me a little bit is I was
calling a lot of this stuff out back
when I wrote my book woken several years
ago my publisher and the people who were
advising me at the time were wondering
whether people would even know the word
woke actually like certainly friends
before I submitted to the publisher said
that might be your biggest problem they
don't even know what that title is and I
had people who are opposed to what I was
saying then friends in New York City
okay would say hey wait isn't that a
little bit too controversial aren't you
being too dismissive of concerns about
systemic racism now many of those same
people are the ones losing their minds
over the context of these campus
protests where for me my question is
where were you asleep at the switch
three years ago now In fairness as we
said people can change their minds and
different people can wake up to things
that they didn't see before so I'm never
going to fault somebody for evolving
their views but I do think that there is
some something odd going on where people
are refusing to get to the root cause
here when it touches a cause that they
care about then you know you might see
certain people up in arms but we got to
get to First principles where this woke
stuff was wrong when it was driving the
bashing in of stores in the interseed in
2020 it's wrong now when you have
College commencement proceedings being
being disrupted and Jewish students not
feeling safe to go to their classes but
do it grounded in the first principles
in the first place and I think we can
all do a better job of that in this
country what would president VC ramas
Swami do to create a ceasefire at this
point because they're shouting ceasefire
they're shouting ceasefire a lot of
these kids River to the Sea they have no
clue what it is they can't spell anap I
know this very well um there was a
ceasefire October 6th October 7th Hamas
broke that ceasefire and you said
yourself every country has a right to
defend themselves yeah Israel it seems
is the only country that can actually
execute and win a war we see what's
going on on the college protest I fully
agree with with you nobody can tell you
what's going on in aeran nobody can tell
you there's been a 10-year Civil War in
Yemen zero protest Syria Lebanon C Sudan
2 million people killed not a peep
Israel 30,000 people killed half of them
Hamas terrorists so what would you do to
create a ceasefire because Biden's
trying to play Both Sides to win
Michigan Trump he said himself it's not
politically helpful but I'll stand for
what's right what would you do yeah so I
would stand for Israel's right to defend
itself self and I would further block
any un micromanagement or EU
micromanagement of what Israel can and
cannot do to provide the level of
diplomatic backing what I would call a
diplomatic Iron Dome for Israel to be
able to defend its own sovereignty
Israel has a right to exist Israel has a
responsibility to exist as an ally we
defend their responsibility to exist
that's different than just starting
random preemptive bomb campaigns in Iran
or whatever but I'm not making this up
people have for this advocating for this
stuff right now Lind grah so I think
that to name one right but I think I
think that the way I look at it is you
got to be rational you got to be
cool-headed you got to actually stick to
First principles what's the first
principle we believe in here National
sovereignty and just as we wouldn't
appreciate it if Israel or any other
country were telling us that we couldn't
defend ourselves against a breach of our
own Southern border and we could debate
what's happening in this country right
now just as I wouldn't want another
country telling us we can't defend
against that well we shouldn't have
Israel be told by another country
including our own what they can and
can't do to defend their own National
boundaries as well and that's different
from saying oh then yeah the United
States should somehow get involved in
some preemptive strike on Iran which I
do think would be a drastic mistake and
so I see you know voices in both
directions that I think have lost their
ability to engage in cool-headed
rationality and I think one of the
things I would do is if you ask me if I
was in the position of President y
rational first principles their
sovereign they have a right to defend
themselves stick to it but not give them
money but not send them money well look
I don't think we should be intervening
in specific Wars that aren't directly
related to the United States but if you
think about in the Israel case one thing
to say here is their rate limiting step
is not money Israel's not running out of
money they're running out of diplomatic
air cover diplomatic support to do what
they need to do so it's sort of the
silly thing which oh they're short on
diplomatic support let's send over cash
versus what we're not doing enough of
which is actually diplomatically
standing for the principle that Israel
absolutely has a right to defend itself
go go to Ukraine similar sort of first
principle we have to recognize that
Ukraine yes had a border that was
breached by Russia at the same time the
United States has not kept its own
commitments from the early 1990s to
support the expansion of NATO so do a
deal that restores those first
principles NATO is not going to expand
to include Ukraine say that explicitly
rather than the opposite which is what
we're saying today which is that NATO
will definitely admit Ukraine at some
point in the future use that to pull
Russia apart from China get some extract
some concessions from Russia to be able
to say they're no longer to be able to
do joint military exercises with China
so I do think it's not to say foreign
policy is just like running a business
but just because you don't trust just
because you don't trust somebody doesn't
mean you can't trust them to follow
their own self-interest so understand
the self-interest of each of the actors
use that to our own advantage to advance
American interests and peace is in
America's interest and that's exactly
how I would and I appreciate you kind of
giving some detail to this because
Netanyahu isn't coming here hat in hand
asking for money he's literally saying
can we just do what we need to do to Def
defend ourselves to win this war
meanwhile zalinski is over here
literally fundraising and shaming
Congress if they don't pass hundred
billion dollar of Aid to Ukraine it's
totally different yeah I I I don't love
it when somebody is coming here shaming
us for not giving us the next 100
billion when they can't tell us what he
did with the first 100 billion I I do
have a problem with that Vinnie you look
like you want to say something well yeah
well I mean I think I agree 100% nobody
should you know tell them how to defend
themselves but I think the the fact that
people can't criticize you mentioned VC
which was one of my biggest things that
I was standing on was two weeks after
October 7th John Kirby stood in front of
America and and the reporters are like
can you tell what what happened and he
goes you know what there's going to be a
time now's not the time it's almost been
7 months still no answers Israel's doing
what they have to do some people are
saying it's a little bit over overboard
especially Adam you said half half the
people that were killed the 30,000 are
Hamas soldiers I haven't heard that
number I heard it was way less the
majority of the people that have been
killed are women and children I get it
they want to kill Hamas they want to get
after them but in regards to BB
Netanyahu he was supposed to be on trial
on October 7th for bribery fraud and
breach of trust how can we trust
somebody that's not giving us the
answers we're we're already all the way
over here we still don't know
fundamentally how could the most secure
place on the planet Adam's been to
Israel multiple times all I keep hearing
from people that have been to Israel is
Vinnie you everybody's walking around
with a gun the security is top-notch how
did this failure of intelligence happen
so bad for 6 hours these freaking
terrorists got to do whatever they did
and there's still no answers of how it
how it happened when the same when when
the same people are still in charge
right is another question to ask so I
think these are hard questions ask that
I would ask as an American in my own
country and you know what Israelis are
asking in Israel but the weird thing is
is you can't actually ask those
questions in the United States that's
what true friends actually do right true
friends treat their friends in the way
they would treat themselves and yet if
that happened here in the United States
I would absolutely be asking those
questions you saw I mean you put some of
those CS of me on the debate stage I
don't hold back in my criticisms of the
United States of America because our
country is stronger when we hold
ourselves accountable so I don't think
that we're doing our friends any favors
when somehow you play with your friends
with kid gloves either there was a major
breach of security failure there and I
think that the Israeli press is not in
netanyahu's water good I think the job
of a press in a nation is to hold its
own government accountable but it is a
weird dynamic that if the United St even
the United States you have actors that
do the same things particularly on the
American right even saying the same
things that even the pro-israel press in
Israel would be saying it's a weird
dynamic here that I find to be
condescending and I reject that I think
we should have honesty I've also
traveled a lot to Israel one of the
things I love about Israel is and I find
a lot of commonality with the people is
you have radically candid people right
even the business deals I've done cander
that's actually why a lot of them like
me and vice versa we had a great
relationship because we could be very
candid with each other and I think that
that's what I would bring to our
diplomacy as well is this radical cander
not this strategic ambiguity that
frankly not only Biden but even even
leaders from both parties pre- Trump and
the Republican Party would practice this
strategic ambiguity I believe in you
know what here's who we are here's what
we stand for here are the red lines we
draw them you mess it up you're going to
have consequences to pay and if not
we're gonna actually focus on our own
National the challeng the challenge is
it's almost like you can't question and
ask any questions right even if you look
at be ask question well if you look at
the um uh daily wire right with what
happened between them and uh Candace
Owens Candace Owens Ben Shapiro face of
the conservative party I think you can
probably put those two names with Tucker
those are three of the biggest faces of
the conservative party I don't know if I
put a name above them I think they're
top three digal top five all together
yeah I think they're in the top five all
together right and all of a sudden you
see daily wire they're going to be the
one that's going to compete with Fox
here's what daily wies doing that daily
wire is doing this daily wies doing that
and they're Gro and next thing you know
while you can't uh uh you know Candace
starts asking some questions she starts
calling out certain people she has the
schmoly guy and all these other people
hey what about this and what about that
and then next thing you know no we chose
to fire her because we're a publisher
we're not a platform so they chose to
take the position as a publish
and the rift was this specific topic how
closely are you following what happened
between Candace D wire Ben Shapiro and
when you look at that do you have any
thoughts where you say I think it should
have been this way or I know I don't
know enough about it what's your
position on that so peripherally yes I
what I've been following more closely is
the public sector response right so I
mean I'm not in the business of running
for the president of DA wire but I was
recently in the business of running for
president of the United States so I take
a look at what Congress is doing for
example parallel parallel topic but in a
domain that I think more people will be
familiar with than the inside base we're
on a podcast in the world of podcasting
you know that seems like a big deal
let's talk about what's happening in the
country is what happened to Israel wrong
on October 7th was that wrong absolutely
was does Israel have a right to defend
itself absolutely it does is a lot of
the anti-Semitism that we see in
response in the United States wrong yes
it is but it is beyond idiotic it is
dangerous that we see an act passing
Congress this is not like some sort of
theoretical bill that's been proposed
that would be bad enough we've seen that
one you got it up right there the
anti-Semitism awareness act that has now
passed been passed by the US House of
Representatives that literally says
there are certain opinions you cannot
express in the United States of America
you cannot I think different definitions
that have been adopted in this bill you
cannot compare the actions of Israel to
Hitler you cannot question the Dual
loyalty of Jews in the United States do
I agree with these claims of course not
I think it's ridiculous to compare
Israel's actions to those of Hitler I
think it's disgusting but the United
States of America is the quintessential
country where you get to express an
opinion and one of the things that I
think we've lost in this country in the
last 5 years is we've had so much mumbo
jumbo about all the exceptions to free
speech I mean if one more person tells
me oh you can't yell fire in a crowded
theater it's just like okay you TR
truism machine of course Al wend Holmes
said that yes you can't threaten to kill
somebody you can't sell you you know
this and claim to be medicine when in
fact it's snake oil that's commercial
fraud but here let me boil down the
First Amendment to one thing and it's
sad that I have to say this because
everyone's forgotten it but I'm going to
make the First Amendment 101 right here
okay the first amendment means one thing
in the United States it means
this you are free to express any opinion
period that doesn't mean you're AF free
to lie about what this contains telling
this is medicine when it's poison
doesn't mean that I'm free to threaten
to kill you that's not an opinion that's
an
action but you are free to express an
opinion no matter how heinous it is and
that law right up there on the screen
right now the anti-Semitism awareness
act that has passed the US House of
Representatives including with
Republican support is a disgusting
anti-American response to disgusting
opinions that are best defeated through
more speech not less and so that's the
kind of thing where if you see that in
our government can you can can you
expect that people in other institutions
are going to lose their minds too of
course do people start stop having the
ability to think straight when certain
questions come up I think that's human
nature there are certain questions for
certain people and they're different for
different people where there's certain
questions you lose your commitment to
your original principles but that's
where the rest of us who can see it with
Clarity deserve to remind them to say
hey here's our principle here's what our
first amendment says says no matter how
disgusting the speeches you get to
express the opinion that's different
from threatening violence that's
different from a lot of the stuff we're
seeing in the country that is not the
expression of free speech even on
campuses you don't have the freedom to
disrupt somebody else from going to
class no that's not the first amendment
but to say that you are what does this
say you know calling for aiding or
justifying the killing of harming of
Jews in the name of radical ideology or
an extremist stere view of religion
making a man accusing Jews of being
responsible for real or imagined wrong
doing well that'd be that'd be
disgusting but it's a it's it's a
disgusting opinion but it's an opinion
and all opinions under the First
Amendment are and with that bill be so
if you can't criticize a certain group a
certain country of certain people then
they can literally do whatever they want
and nobody could say anything if it gets
to that point then who are you to stop
me you're going to you're going to get
in trouble for for me saying wait a
minute Benjamin Netanyahu kind of weird
don't know this don't know that oh
you're you're you're anti-semitic now
here's the thing that's not really
what's happening yet in the country you
got got College protest
going to scho so so I I'm just calling
it like I see it across the board is say
a few things one is what happened to
Israel was wrong number two is most of
these campus protesters have no idea
what the hell they're protesting about
number three is I think it's disgusting
to disrupt somebody's ability to attend
class or Express their own opinions I
agree but the response to that by saying
that you can't express opinions or ask
certain questions or Express certain
opinions in response is also disgusting
and this is the stuff of how countries
end right both sides lose their
anchoring into their pris principles and
are willing to use Force to suppress the
other side that's the end of the United
States of America as we know it if we
get to the point where the left tries to
use Force Through bullhorns protests and
violence to silence those they disagree
with which we're seen some of in this
country that's a bad sign but what
really takes us down a dirty road is
when the right then tries to use the
police power and that's what this is the
police power of the federal government
to stifle them from expressing their
opinions that's not America and I think
we need the principle to stand for the
Republicans that are putting this out
there because I agree with you when this
thing came out what was it two weeks ago
that was sort of announced and it passed
I said actually I'm actually not a fan
of this because it's sort of dictating
what Free Speech should be nobody who
loves free speech in this country and
and and then they'll come up with all
these other examples we misinformation
and disinformation and liable no if you
ever if this ever comes up in a
discussion even people who are watching
this let me just give you the dinner
table sound bit because you're going to
hear a lot of the mumbo jumbo especially
during Co we heard about all the
exceptions to free speech I'm going to
boil it down
the Free Speech Clause of the First
Amendment means you get to express any
opinion you take one thing away from
this this time we've spent together let
it be that any opinion is fair game and
I think that's what this country was
founded so here's the only question that
I guess uh I agree that just like
capitalism is a Marketplace for goods
and services I believe that free speech
is a Marketplace for ideas and opinions
however wrong you might think they are
totally with you on the same page but
where does hate speech or calls for
genocide or
or The River To The Sea where do you
draw the line of Distinction of that we
remember in Congress the hearings when
Alise stefanic grilled the presidents of
your former Al Harvard I want to say of
uh calling for genocide well it depends
what kind of actions where does the
here's my ISS well here's my issue with
those University presidents right cuz
right now you're seeing people put
pressure to say well you've been
applying speech codes as it applies to
black students and gay students why
aren't you protecting Jewish students
the same way that's been the direction
of it I actually look at it the other
way why have you been having these
speech codes at all over the course of
The Last 5 Years the university should
prize free speech so the I think the
right criticism of those University
presidents should be and should have
been that you haven't really meant it
when you say you're an institution
committed to free speech there's nothing
at Harvard today Harvard was the worst
school for free speech can look at the
stat pretty bad
too I mean
it's all pretty bad right and so there
are certain views about the climate
about race about religion about gender
that you absolutely cannot express on a
Harvard or Yale here you go Harvard
right so that I think is the bigger
issue but I think that it would be a
mistake to say oh oh really because we
have been disrespecting free speech in
all of those other contexts let's also
prevent it in this other context too I I
think that's the wrong direction I think
the right direction to go is to say all
opinions are fair game to express them
disruptions or physical intim ation no
that's not expression of an opinion
that's out of bounds no matter which
side you're coming from we right we got
18 minutes and I want to go through a
couple different clips Rob can you pull
this uh pull up this clip Nancy Pelosi
Oxford uh she has an exchange and you
just this is like she got in trouble the
moment she decided to go here watch how
this thing gets go ahead and play
it before Co intelligence Services
colluded with big Tech to have Trump
suspended off Twitter yes the same
platform which hosted the Taliban and
Ayatollah de to Israel Ki they fought
the president crossed the line when he
tweeted on Jan 6 quote remain peaceful
no violence respect the law and our
great men and women in blue that's a
quote you may be thinking now that Trump
is a populist you are right he didn't
accept the 2020 elections and he should
have so should Hillary in 2016 so should
Brussels and so should Westminster in
2016 and so too should Congresswoman
Pelosi instead of saying the 2016
election was quote
hijacked quote hijacked it was it was
look boom look at that Peli in the room
yeah she's in the room get out of
couldn't have paid her to do better she
probably B with
her that we don't accept the results of
what what does that even mean what about
the mainstream media let me read you
some mainstream media headlines the New
Yorker the day before the 2016 election
the case against
democracy The Washington Post the day
after the election the problem with our
government is
democracy such joke the LA Times June
2017 the British election is a reminder
of The Perils of too
much
democracy Vox June 2017 the two eminent
political scientists say the problem
with democracy is
voters New York Times June 2017 I do the
problem with participatory democracy is
the
participants mainstream media Elites are
part of a class who don't just disdain
populism they disdain the people if the
Democrats had put half their energy into
delivering for the people Trump wouldn't
even have a chance in 2024 he shouldn't
he shouldn't have a chance you've power
for four
years from the fabricated steel dossier
to try to take him off the ballot in
both Maine and
Colorado the Democrats are the
anti-democrat party all we need now is
the Republicans to come out as the pro
monist ladies and gentlemen populism is
not a threat to democracy but I'll tell
you what is it's Elites ordering social
media to censor political
opponents it's police shutting down the
centers be it anti monists in this
country or gender critical voices here
or last week in Brussels the national
conservative uh
movement I'll tell you what is a threat
to democracy it's Brussels DC
Westminster the mainstream media big
Tech big farmer corporate collusion and
the Davos
cronies the threat to democracy comes
from those who write off Ordinary People
as deplorable the threat to democracy
comes from those who smear working
people as racists the threat to
democracy comes from those who write off
working people as populists and I'll say
one last
thing this populist age can be brought
to an end at the snap of a finger all
that needs to be done is for Elites to
start listening to respect it
respecting and God forbid working for
ordinary people thank you here here with
Pelos Pelosi you know she wanted to kill
him the whole time you know she was like
I hate do you what do you think about
this EV I like it I like 95% of it which
part do you not like well no I got to
start with the part I like first then
I'll get to the part I didn't like the
bow tie the the part I well it actually
relates to the bow tie funny it relates
to it okay but the the 95% that I love
first of all smart guy I think we need
more of that over here the threats to
democracy are really posed by the people
who profess the threats to democracy
which is orwellian right you accuse the
other side of the very thing of the very
sin that you're actively committing and
he did a great job with documentation
exactly pointing that out I mean
democracy is not just measured by the
number of ballots you cast every
November it's do you feel free to
express yourself are you using
technology companies or other tools to
suppress spee in a country so it's
beautifully said there's just one little
tweak I would I would suggest not only
to this gentleman but I mean there's a
lot of people in the US who borrow some
of this rhetoric is I don't love the use
of the word Elites right and and the
part that was just kind of hilarious is
to watch this man in like a bow tie like
a British
accent British Hall railing about like
the elites but but I think that I think
I'm not saying that to make fun of him I
think that we can actually do better
because it almost seeds the ground of
who is Elite to the Nancy Pelos there's
nothing Elite about Nancy Pelosi I mean
I mean there nothing Elite about Joe
Biden he doesn't have a functioning
brain I mean it might be a form of elder
abuse we could debate that but that's
not there's nothing Elite about that and
I think there are many kinds of Elites
there are the bureaucratic managerial
class there are the creators in the
country people like yourself people like
Elon Musk people like you know countless
other entrepreneurs in this country who
have created great things of Great Value
that are educated either self-educated
or at good universities or at no-name
universities every one of those can be a
member of an elite to so all I would say
is he was hitting the nail on the
head right until the very end when he
was close but he veered a little bit to
do this Elite versus working class thing
whereas I don't see that divide at all I
see the rise of people whether or not
they've been successful could be
described as Elite could be described as
working people everybody who says
there's base principles of what it means
to live in a free Democratic Society and
so 95% of it he was spotted Tom what do
you think when you see this
Nigel Nigel yes Nigel they I thought he
did a marvelous job he constructed his
argument and I was inspired by it and I
just look forward to the day where you
could see American students doing the
same thing over here rather than going
out into the quad and protesting because
he was constructing the argument based
on truth accuracy and facts I can agree
with you a little bit on using the word
Elites but to me that's small I still I
still give him a 98 on the paper you
know and I thought it was why do you
think how much of this you think is
happening and are you universities with
kids not why how is it not well I think
um we we need to introduce the study of
a foreign language in this country
called English people in this country
especially people have lost the ability
to use language to advance their own
ideas and language carves the channel
through which thought flows I do think
English should be the national language
of the United States I think that would
be a good thing actually to have a
grounding language and I do think that
part of what's happening right now is
people who talk like that in high school
I think things are changing right now
but if you rewind about 10 years ago at
least what happened was people who were
exceptionally talented academically and
ambitious academically were taught to
hide their Excellence right it wasn't
cool to be academically successful or
articulate or mathematically Advanced
and so we had this culture a little bit
of kids like him being the kinds of kids
who would be culturally labeled as
Gunners in class or whatever when I
think it's actually a great thing where
if you got somebody's going to throw
football you might as well get the guy
who's going to be able to throw the best
pass if you want a guy in an English
class you might as well want a guy who
in high school is going to be able to
speak the language as well as he is I
mean they're in college now and the same
thing for somebody who's good at math so
that culture of Excellence is part of
what we lost for a while do I think the
boomerang is coming back a little bit
well depends how you define it Elite
Nancy Pelosi I think is the first or
second richest member of Congress $250
million There's an actual website stocks
there's actual website that tracks her
net worth I think the only person that's
richer than her isi Scott who's the uh
Senator former governor of Florida but I
got to give Nancy Peli at least a little
credit what she's got more balls than
Biden she's shown up she knows when she
walks into Oxford Oxford she's going to
get lamb basted when either that or less
of an elder less less intelligent elder
care when she said when China said
what's going on when China said straight
up uh Nancy do not go to Taiwan she went
to Taiwan we gave her praise on this
podcast straight up Biden's not going to
Oxford B's not going to Taiwan she for
all her Nancy nervous craziness at least
has more balls to show up to uh hostile
territory someone like Biden handlers
well she's sitting there yeah I disagree
with that that was Paul Pelosi sitting
right next to her and if you take a look
in that he looked hammered they thought
it was a pub that's where they walked in
they thought it was a pub but let me
make a point which which which sort of
joking and denigration of of the other
side notwithstanding put that to one
side I think Republicans got to get
better at this actually I mean I I it's
easy to criticize the other side
self-criticism is a little bit harder to
engage in so let's do the
self-criticism as a party as a movement
I don't think we go to the other side
and actually engage in Earnest open
debate where we confront the opposition
I try to do as much of that as I could I
think you do a great job of that I think
Trump does it TR great Trump does it
well I tried to do the best I could
during the presidential campaign I went
to Great Lengths to do it I think it's
missing I really don't think we see of
that in our movement where are
Republicans going to college campuses
where are Republicans going to the inner
city I think it's an opportunity we have
this year though I think this is and
that's one of the things I'm trying to
do this year and we'll try to do not
only as I did during the campaign but
for the rest of the year show up where
you're not supposed to yep actually it's
easy to show up where you're supposed to
it's easy to preach to your own choir
but show up where you're not supposed to
and I think that's how you actually save
a country like VC when you showed up and
you started doing push-ups with those
college kids I mean what's really Last
Story last story last story last story
rob kep me in shape yeah Rob uh what I
love most is that that was cool and you
jumping allowing that jety guy to throw
you in you were learning how to do water
skin I was sick uh Rob can you pull up
the the U uh CNN Zakaria Biden should go
back to Trump's immigration policies
this has to be so hard for him to be
forced to say that but go ahead and play
this wonderful clip running towards law
enforcement because they have figured
out that all they have to do is say the
magic words I have a credible fear of
persecution and bingo you're in the
country legally you get two court
hearings they could take seven years
meanwhile you slip into the Shadows of
the economy so the whole system is
broken and Biden needs to confront that
and say you know we're going to have to
reform the whole system I would I would
wish he'd do something much more extreme
like say the old Asylum system is dead
no one is coming in through that process
you have to apply from your home Home
Country which was a trump policy which
was a you know a trump and also the
Mexico you know let you have to be in
Mexico toh to apply I think that's all
correct so strategically you think that
Biden would tack towards Trump policies
he would have actually better better
political chance and it's also the right
policy because the old Asylum system is
being gained by million a few big
thoughts look I think that once the
truth becomes so obvious it becomes is
undeniable so if you can't beat them
join them that's effectively what you're
seeing here and I think they've they've
tried to have their cake and eat it too
it's it's no accident that the very
people who are most opposed to the
border wall or to strong border policies
are also the ones who are most in favor
of completely open voter ID laws right
the lack of any voter ID laws so part of
what they've been doing is for 10 years
or more importing voters and opposing
Mass deportations they're they're
opposing the export of Voters I you're
not supposed to say it that way but
that's the truth import as many longrun
voters as you can minimize the exports
but now when that's coming back to bite
them even with just the mainstream
citizen population of the country now
they're at least using their verbiage to
say okay we imported all of those
potential longrun voters but now just
pretend like we actually intend to do
the opposite so that's what I see going
on a little bit and and it's actually an
interesting pattern Patrick because I
wanted to comment on this you know I
haven't actually haven't comment on this
elsewhere but it's sort of weight on me
is you see a lot of this stuff now who
was the comedian was it John Stewart you
know going on the rant about CO's origin
recently was that John Stewart coar oh
was coar okay no it's
St whatever but I think that I think
that you see that and you I see a lot of
people cheering and saying oh yeah he
did it yes how bold of him when it comes
to a lot of these admissions of failed
policies and reversals of conspiracy
theories the timing is everything right
if you already do it after the effect of
that policy has been born and everyone's
already seen it for how terrible it is
and the effect has already been negative
I don't think there's that much courage
in then coming around and saying what
you should have said three years ago and
so I think we got to be careful where a
lot of these folks in the center left
they're really trying to pack it in now
with their anti-woke commentary on the
Dei agenda on admitting bad covid
policies you could think about even some
of these immigration policy failure
admissions that are now coming and
you'll have a lot of people who
charitably say hey give him credit you
can maybe give him like an iota of
credit maybe but it's the easiest thing
to do in some ways it's even more
devious where after the damage has
already been done you Fain vulnerability
and pretend to admit it when in fact all
of the negative consequences have
already been had so timing is everything
on some of these things and we can't
lose sight of that better late than
never though right I I would say I would
say better late than never if it's
Earnest and in ver zakaria's case it
looked like it was Earnest right I think
there's a cynical version of it where
you actually would rather have it late
and pretend like there was some kind of
admission but there's no consequence to
you and you're just using it to build a
fake credibility so better late than
never yes as long as it's sincere and if
it's sincere fine I'll give you points
for that not a lot of points but I'll
give you some I love it okay beake great
to have you on every time we're here we
enjoy the conversations um so this week
you said you're going to be at the trial
with him tomorrow with the president
yeah I'm flying for from here I started
my morning in Ohio I'm here now I'll be
in uh New York by tonight fantastic how
much sleep you get every night it's not
one of my bigger
Hobbies that's why your number one draft
pick 2028 in my opinion by the way go
follow the man's podcast truth thean
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here go check it out Rob make sure we
put the link below in the chat and the
comment section gang take care I think
we're doing a podcast home team tomorrow
lots of stories we didn't cover and I'm
about to announce the next live who it's
going to be it's going to be explosive
and nobody here knows because I just
locked it up during this podcast while
I'm texting these guys they agreed it's
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