Massive Developments in Fani Willis Disqualification Case, with Julian Epstein and Phil Holloway

Megyn Kelly
9 May 202409:56

Summary

TLDRThe Georgia Appellate Court has agreed to hear an appeal in the Fanny Willis case, where concerns are raised over a potential conflict of interest and her conduct in handling the case. The appeal process will involve briefing by the parties and oral arguments, with a decision to be made by a majority of a three-judge panel. If two judges agree with the defense, Willis may be disqualified, which could effectively end the case due to the remaining taint on the case. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of politically motivated legal actions, the potential for abuse of the legal system, and the importance of integrity within the legal profession.

Takeaways

  • 📰 The Georgia Appellate Court has agreed to hear the appeal in the Fanny Willis case, which could potentially lead to her disqualification from the case.
  • ⏳ The court of appeals had a 45-day window to decide whether to hear the case, which was expedited due to the unusual nature of the interlocutory appeal.
  • 👥 The appeal will be heard by a panel of three judges, and it will require a majority decision to disqualify Fanny Willis and possibly dismiss the case.
  • 🚫 If Willis is disqualified, the case's future is uncertain as no other prosecutor may want to take on a case with such a 'stench of mendacity'.
  • 🤔 The identity of the three judges on the panel is not yet known, which leaves uncertainty about the case's outcome.
  • 🛑 The speaker believes that once the case is officially on appeal, the trial judge may be divested of jurisdiction, potentially halting proceedings at the trial level.
  • 💣 The case could be significantly impacted if two judges believe Willis should be disqualified, leading to a de facto end of the case.
  • 🚨 There are concerns about the potential for perjury charges against Willis due to inconsistencies in her statements.
  • 🤨 The speaker criticizes the timing of legal cases against Donald Trump, suggesting it's an abuse of authority and election interference.
  • 👮‍♂️ The legal profession is portrayed negatively by cases like these, where the justice system is made a mockery of through alleged false testimonies and misconduct.
  • 📉 The credibility of the legal system is at risk when high-profile cases are mishandled, potentially encouraging similar behavior by others in the future.

Q & A

  • What is the significance of the Georgia Appellate Court taking up the Fanny Willis case?

    -The Georgia Appellate Court's decision to take up the Fanny Willis case is significant because it suggests that there may be a potential conflict of interest and concerns about her conduct in bringing the case. This could lead to her disqualification and possibly the dismissal of the case.

  • What is an interlocutory appeal and why is it unusual in this context?

    -An interlocutory appeal is an appeal taken from an order that is not a final judgment in a case. It is unusual in this context because typically, appeals are made after a case has been concluded. However, in this case, the trial judge allowed the parties to appeal his order before the trial, which is not a common practice.

  • What does it mean if two judges on the panel of three agree with the defense?

    -If two judges on the three-judge panel agree with the defense, it could lead to the disqualification of Fanny Willis and potentially the dismissal of the case. This is because a majority decision is required for such a significant action.

  • Why would another prosecutor be hesitant to take on the case if Fanny Willis is disqualified?

    -Another prosecutor might be hesitant to take on the case because the 'odor of mendacity' or the perception of dishonesty would remain, making it difficult to proceed effectively. Additionally, they would likely have to start the case from scratch, which is a significant undertaking.

  • When will it be known which panel will hear the appeal?

    -The exact timing is not specified, but it is mentioned that the case will have to be assigned to a panel. These assignments are subject to rotation, and it will be a different panel than the one that agreed to hear the case initially.

  • What is the current status of the trial court's jurisdiction once the case is officially on appeal?

    -Once the case is officially on appeal, the trial court is divested of jurisdiction to take any action. This means that the trial proceedings would likely be halted until the appellate court makes a decision.

  • What are the potential consequences for Donald Trump if Fanny Willis is disqualified?

    -If Fanny Willis is disqualified, the case could potentially go away for Donald Trump. This is significant because it would remove one of the legal challenges he is facing.

  • What is the speaker's opinion on the timing of the New York case against Donald Trump?

    -The speaker finds the timing of the New York case, brought just before an election, to be outrageous and views it as a form of election interference. They believe it is an abuse of authority.

  • What concerns does the speaker have about the use of racketeering laws in this case?

    -The speaker is concerned that the use of racketeering laws in this case is almost unprecedented and may not be appropriate for the circumstances, suggesting potential legal overreach.

  • What are the allegations against Fanny Willis regarding her personal conduct?

    -Fanny Willis is accused of having a conflict of interest due to her dislike of Donald Trump and her fundraising for one of his opponents. Additionally, there are allegations of a potential kickback scheme involving an unqualified boyfriend to whom she allegedly paid a large sum, which he then kicked back to her.

  • What does the speaker believe is the impact of these legal cases on the justice system?

    -The speaker believes that these cases, often referred to as 'lawfare,' make a mockery of the judicial system and are embarrassing. They feel that such behavior is not representative of how the court system or lawyers should operate.

  • What is the speaker's reaction to Nathan Wade's interview on ABC?

    -The speaker is critical of Nathan Wade's interview, suggesting that Wade's testimony about his personal life and relationship with Fanny Willis is inconsistent with what was stated in court. The speaker accuses Wade of lying under oath and believes that this behavior undermines the integrity of the legal profession.

Outlines

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🏛️ Georgia Appellate Court's Decision on Fanny Willis Case

The Georgia Appellate Court has decided to hear the appeal regarding Fanny Willis, suggesting a potential disqualification from the case. The decision comes after concerns about Willis' conflict of interest and alleged irresponsible behavior. The court of appeals has agreed to hear the case despite it being an interlocutory appeal, which is unusual. The next phase involves briefing by the parties and oral arguments in front of a three-judge panel. If two judges agree with the defense, Willis could be disqualified, and the case might be dismissed. The identity of the judges on the panel is unknown, and the implications of the case's outcome are significant, as it could lead to a restart of the case under a new prosecutor, which would be challenging due to the 'odor of mendacity' remaining with the case.

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🤔 Conflict of Interest and Legal Ethics in the Fanny Willis Case

The discussion highlights the potential conflict of interest and legal ethics issues in the Fanny Willis case. There are concerns about her personal dislike for Donald Trump and the implications it may have on the case. The narrative also touches on the broader issue of 'lawfare' and the timing of legal cases being brought up close to elections, which some argue is a form of election interference. The speaker criticizes the behavior of both sides, warning that such tactics may be reciprocated by the opposing party when in power. The summary also mentions Nathan Wade's interview, where he discusses the personal scrutiny he faced and the allegations of lying under oath in court proceedings. The speaker expresses disappointment in the legal profession due to these actions, which they believe undermine the judicial system.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Georgia Appellate Court

The Georgia Appellate Court is a higher court in the state of Georgia that hears appeals from lower court decisions. In the context of the video, it is significant because it has agreed to hear an appeal regarding the case involving Fanny Willis, a prosecutor, which is a pivotal moment in the legal proceedings discussed in the video.

💡Conflict of Interest

A conflict of interest refers to a situation where an individual's personal interests might interfere with their professional responsibilities, potentially compromising their ability to act impartially. In the video, it is suggested that Fanny Willis may have a conflict of interest, which is a central issue in the appeal being considered by the Georgia Appellate Court.

💡Irresponsible Behavior

Irresponsible behavior is conduct that fails to fulfill expected duties or obligations, often with negative consequences. The video discusses allegations of irresponsible behavior by Fanny Willis in bringing the case to court, suggesting that her actions may have been inappropriate or unprofessional.

💡Interlocutory Appeal

An interlocutory appeal is an appeal taken from a lower court before the trial has ended, typically concerning a preliminary issue that needs to be resolved before the trial can proceed. The video mentions an unusual step of allowing an interlocutory appeal in this case, highlighting the complexity and urgency of the legal issue at hand.

💡Disqualification

Disqualification refers to the legal process of removing a person from a position or role, often due to a conflict of interest or unethical behavior. The video discusses the potential disqualification of Fanny Willis from the case, which would have significant implications for the proceedings.

💡Prosecutorial Misconduct

Prosecutorial misconduct involves unethical or illegal actions by a prosecutor that may compromise the fairness of a trial. The video implies that Fanny Willis may have engaged in such misconduct, which is a serious allegation and a key point of discussion in the context of the appeal.

💡Mendacity

Mendacity refers to the quality of being untruthful or dishonest. In the video, the term is used metaphorically to describe the negative impact that dishonesty in the legal process can have on a case, suggesting that there are concerns about the integrity of the proceedings.

💡Election Interference

Election interference is the act of disrupting or influencing the outcome of an election, often through illegal or unethical means. The video discusses the timing of legal cases in relation to elections, suggesting that there may be instances of election interference through the strategic filing of legal cases.

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💡Abuse of Authority

Abuse of authority describes the misuse of one's power or position to achieve personal or political ends, often in a way that is not in accordance with the law or ethical standards. The video criticizes the timing of certain legal actions as potentially being an abuse of authority, particularly when they coincide with election periods.

💡Lawfare

Lawfare refers to the strategic use of legal processes to harm an opponent, typically through excessive litigation or by exploiting the legal system. The video uses this term to describe what the speaker perceives as an abuse of the legal system in the context of cases against Donald Trump, suggesting that these cases are not being brought for justice but rather for political purposes.

💡Perjury

Perjury is the act of lying or making false statements under oath, typically in a court of law. The video raises concerns about potential perjury committed by individuals involved in the case, which is a serious legal offense that could have significant consequences for those involved.

Highlights

The Georgia Appellate Court has agreed to hear the appeal in the Fanny Willis case, which could lead to her disqualification.

The decision to hear the appeal was made within the 45-day discretionary period allowed by the court.

The case involves allegations of conflict of interest and irresponsible behavior by Fanny Willis.

The trial judge allowed an interlocutory appeal before the trial, which is an unusual step.

The appeal process will involve briefing by the parties and oral arguments in front of a three-judge panel.

A majority decision (two out of three judges) is required to disqualify Fanny Willis.

The defense is also asking for the case to be dismissed in addition to Willis' disqualification.

There is uncertainty about which three judges will be on the panel to hear the appeal.

If two judges believe Willis should be disqualified, the case could be effectively over.

The presence of a conflict of interest could deter other prosecutors from taking the case.

The appeal's official status may pause the trial court's proceedings due to the appellate court's jurisdiction.

The potential disqualification of Fanny Willis could lead to the dismissal of the case against Donald Trump.

The use of racketeering laws in this case is considered almost unprecedented.

Fanny Willis is alleged to have been involved in a kickback scheme, which could lead to perjury charges.

The handling of the case and the timing of legal actions are seen as potentially politically motivated and abusive of authority.

The legal profession is criticized for the behavior of some lawyers and the abuse of the legal system in such cases.

Nathan Wade's interview on ABC and his testimony in court regarding his relationship status appear to be contradictory.

The case has broader implications for the legal system and the potential for reciprocal abuse of power by opposing political parties.

Transcripts

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how about the Georgia Appellate Court

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taking up the fanny Willis Case

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suggesting maybe she is going to get

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dced from this thing after all tell us

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this the the headlines

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here yeah so today uh I got a text

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message right when the news was breaking

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and so I immediately took to to X and

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posted it out there and you know it's

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it's as I predicted the court of appeals

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because this issue of fonny will and

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whether she has a conflict of interest

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and how she has uh behaved quite frankly

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in in an irresponsible way in bringing

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this case because it's such an important

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issue the trial judge uh took the

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unusual step of allowing the parties to

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take his order up on appeal uh with you

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know prior to the trial it's it's an

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interlocutory appeal is what we call it

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it's unusual but it can happen but the

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court of appeals also has to agree to

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hear it Megan it's discretionary so they

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had like 45 days and the Clock Was

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ticking I think it was going to be

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Monday today they said yes we are going

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to agree to hear the appeal and so now

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we move on to the next phase there's

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going to have to be briefing by the

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parties and of course oral argument in a

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couple of months and it's going to be

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heard by a panel of three judges and

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it's going to take of course a majority

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of that so two judges on the panel of

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three are going to have to decide with

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with the defense in order to disqualify

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by Fon Willis but that's not all they're

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asking that the case be dismissed in

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addition to her being disqualified what

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we don't know is who we're going to get

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on the panel what who are the three

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judges we just don't know that right now

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but if there's two judges that at a

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minimum believe that she should be

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disqualified the case is going to be

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effectively over because there's no

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other prosecutor in their right mind

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that would want it because Megan the

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odor of mendacity will remain in the

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case even if another prosecutor gets on

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it and it's irreparable they would have

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to start over from scratch and it's just

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a kind of thing that's too big of an ask

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for another prosecutor if they get when

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do we find out when do we find out which

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panel they pulled to hear this

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appeal well I we don't know yet it's

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going to have to be assigned to a panel

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uh and of course these things rotate

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right it it's not the same panel I don't

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believe that agreed to hear it it's

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going to be a second panel so we're

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going to have at this point at least six

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judges involved in the decision the

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combined decision to to take the case

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and then what to do with it so we don't

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yet know how it's going to be assigned

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but that's going to be something

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obviously we're going to have to watch

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very closely does the case keep moving

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Phil does the case keep moving in the

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meantime while they take this up on

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appeal does fanny Willis get to go

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forward at the trial level until now I'm

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of the belief that it does not because

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once the case goes up on appeal and up

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until today it was not officially on

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appeal now it's officially on appeal and

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so I think maybe the argument was that

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some of the other business of the court

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trial court could continue I am of the

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belief that now that the case is

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officially in the court of appeals that

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the trial judges divested of

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jurisdiction to take any action and I

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think even if it's unwise because you

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don't want to do a whole lot of work uh

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preparing the case gearing it up for

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trial if it turns out the prosecutor

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who's representing the state at these

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pre-trial matters is not supposed to be

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there so I think that as a

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bombshell that that is just a true

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bombshell Julian I don't know how

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closely you follow this but Phil and we

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were on this case very from the

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beginning in a very detailed way and

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this is huge I mean this is we talked

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about the inside straight um Georgia

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very very well could go away if Fanny

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Willis gets disqualified it's done and

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this one needs to go away for Trump

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because he can't on the two Federal

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cases he can pull the prosecutor off but

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he can't pull them off of New York and

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Georgia New York's going to be resolved

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before November then there's Georgia

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lingering oh I think this case will go

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away I mean look I was critical of what

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Donald Trump did with Rosenberger in

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Georgia um I don't know that it crossed

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the line into criminal Behavior I have

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my concerns about that I've written

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about that uh the use of the

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racketeering laws is is almost

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unprecedented in a circumstance like

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this and remember fonny Willis herself

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was conflicted just the way Bragg was

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conflicted and Leticia James were

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conflicted she held a fundraiser for one

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of the opponents of the target of the

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initial investigation uh so she was

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deeply conflicted and she's been very

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clear about her dislike of Donald Trump

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these conflicts with these prosecutors

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are are a big deal and then when it

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crosses over into what she was accused

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of which was basically a kickback scheme

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in which she hired an unqualified

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boyfriend spent over half a million

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dollars sent him over hundred half

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million dollars he was then kicking that

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money back to her she claimed she paid

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it back but she's got no records it was

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all in cash I mean sort of all of that

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stuff is just hard to swallow so I think

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not only will on appeal is there likely

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uh to be a finding of a conflict of

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interest I think she's got to be careful

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about potential perjury charges here but

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this is another case where just it's

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sort of you know this has become I sort

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of sometimes wish Tom Wolf were still

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alive because this is such great

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material for sort of a discussion about

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this charade that that a lot of this

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lawfare has become I mean if Donald

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Trump did something wrong uh there

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should be consequences clearly but the

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way that the left has behave bringing

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these cases waiting eight years in the

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case of the New York case we were just

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discussing waiting four years in the

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case of the election interference just

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before the election it's outrageous this

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is election interference what's

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happening is bringing these cases and

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I'm not a Donald Trump supporter I voted

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for Hillary in 16 I voted for Biden in

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in 20 I didn't vote for Donald Trump at

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all but waiting to bring these cases

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until the eve of election is abuse of

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authority and at some point there needs

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to be a reckoning here because this is

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exactly the kind of thing that

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Republicans are going to do to Democrats

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when they get into power and Democrats

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will have no one to blame but themselves

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for not speaking up and for

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countenancing the abuse of the legal

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system the way it's being abused in

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these cases well so so true Phil I've

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been dying to ask you about Nathan

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Wade's interview on ABC we ran this

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sound by the other day on the show but

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your reaction I'd really love can we run

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sat uh

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18 so you didn't realize when you took

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the case your life was really going to

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be under a microscope I did not realize

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that my life would be in danger the

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microscope I don't have a problem with

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um the truth is I you know if the worst

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that you could find was the fact that I

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uh had a relationship with someone or

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that uh I

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happen to be going through a divorce

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that's okay that's that that's okay I I

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I have nothing to to

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hide that's the worst that you could

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find that's what he that's how he Styles

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what happened to him Phil that's you

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know that they found out I was in a

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relationship and got a

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divorce well look when you're in a hole

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the first thing you have to do is stop

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digging and I wonder if the judges on

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the court of appeals were watching this

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news this week because that was just a

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couple couple of days ago right and just

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today we get the news that of course the

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disqualification issue is is going to be

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before the court of

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appeals his testimony as I recall it his

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and hers by the way from the

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disqualification hearings with that was

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that they were no longer a romantic item

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before the Trump indictment which I

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think was the first week of August of

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2023 in that interview he said that they

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ended their relationship towards the end

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of 2023 well which one was it okay were

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you were you telling the truth on ABC or

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were you telling the truth uh under oath

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in court or maybe neither one we just

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don't know because you can't Square what

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he's saying with to ABC with what was

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said in court so it's just another

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example of digging well but Phil we know

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he perjured himself we know he purged

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I'm Nathan Wade you can come sue me you

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lied under oath in your divorce

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proceedings sue me if I'm not saying the

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right thing go ahead bring it sue me if

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that's not true you lied you lied under

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oath in your divorce proceedings and I

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believe you lied in your proceeding with

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Fanny Willis but now he's trying to

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forget like oh I just had a divorce Phil

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that's the worst they could find on

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me well that's not the worst they can

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find the worst they found on him was

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that he was uh arguably giving Kickbacks

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after this no bid contract that his

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girlfriend gave him to prosecute a case

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that he had no business being on that's

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the worst thing but on top of all of

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that and it's not the fact that they

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were sleeping together that I or anybody

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really I think has a problem with it's

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the fact of the money it's the fact of

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the not telling the truth to the court

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it's the fact of filing what I believe

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in my opinion to be a false document in

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affidavit in the court and what I

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believe to be false testimony in court

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that is turning the justice system on

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its ear it's making a mockery of the

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judicial system uh all of these law fair

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cases make a mockery of it and it's it's

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embarrassing it's embarrassing to me as

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a member of the legal profession this is

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not what the court system is supposed to

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be about this is not how lawyers are

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supposed to behave and it's the kind of

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thing that makes me just feel it makes

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me feel disgusting I mean it's just ugly

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and it's the kind of she didn't ask him

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any of that no follow-ups by that ABC

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reporter she failed