"You're a F***ing TERRORIST!" | HasanAbi Clashes With pro-Israel Journalist
Summary
TLDRThe transcript captures a heated and chaotic debate surrounding the Israel-Palestine conflict, with various perspectives being passionately argued. The discussion involves accusations of performative activism, the impact of protests on public figures, and the broader implications of supporting or condemning certain actions by either side. It highlights the complexities of the conflict, the challenges of finding a peaceful resolution, and the intense emotions that arise when discussing such a sensitive and deeply divisive issue. The conversation, marked by interruptions and confrontations, underscores the difficulty in achieving a nuanced and respectful dialogue about the subject.
Takeaways
- 📢 The ongoing conflict in Gaza is perceived differently by various communities, with Jewish and Muslim individuals expressing feelings of insecurity and concern.
- 🌎 The global response to the Palestinian crisis is polarized, often framed as a battle between good and evil, with some viewing it as an oppressor-oppressed dynamic.
- 📚 There is a noted lack of awareness and understanding among some individuals, particularly student protesters, about the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
- 🤯 Public figures, such as New York Mayor Eric Adams and actor Alec Baldwin, have faced public backlash and harassment, reflecting the intensity of public sentiment on the issue.
- 🎭 The role of 'performative activism' is criticized for potentially trivializing the conflict and detracting from the seriousness of the situation in Gaza.
- 💸 The financial aspect of supporting the conflict through university tuition fees and investments in companies associated with Israel is a point of contention among students and activists.
- 🚫 There is a debate about the legitimacy of public protests that involve support for groups like Hamas, with some arguing it crosses a line into supporting terrorism.
- 🤔 The conversation raises questions about the effectiveness of protests and activism in influencing the actions of the rich and powerful and bringing attention to the conflict.
- 🗣️ The heated nature of the debate often leads to unproductive discussions, with individuals talking over each other and resorting to name-calling rather than engaging in constructive dialogue.
- ✋ Calls for a more nuanced understanding of the conflict, recognizing the humanity and suffering on all sides, and the need for a resolution that respects the rights and dignity of all involved.
Q & A
What is the main issue being discussed in the transcript?
-The main issue discussed is the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine, with a focus on the reactions and protests in the United States, particularly at American universities.
What is the controversy surrounding the professor at Columbia University?
-The controversy is about a Jewish professor at Columbia who shared a video of Muslims praying, which some perceived as an assault on US values.
What was the incident involving Alec Baldwin?
-Alec Baldwin was harassed by a performance artist known as 'Crackhead Barbie' while he was getting coffee. She accused him of supporting genocide and demanded he say 'Free Palestine'.
What is the position of the panelist regarding the harassment of public figures?
-The panelist believes that public figures should not be harassed in the manner that Alec Baldwin was, and that such actions can detract from the seriousness of the underlying issues.
What was the reaction to the harassment of New York Mayor Eric Adams?
-People confronted Mayor Eric Adams, accusing him of supporting genocide and neglecting the citizens of New York by focusing on the conflict in Gaza.
What is the debate about the effectiveness of the protests?
-The debate is whether the protests are forcing the rich and powerful to confront the horrors of war or if they are self-indulgent and distracting from the serious realities of the conflict.
What is the role of social media and performative activism in this context?
-Social media and performative activism are criticized for potentially turning serious issues into a joke and for being more about gaining social clout rather than effecting meaningful change.
What is the stance of the panelist on the use of violence in the conflict?
-The panelist condemns violence against civilians and distinguishes between justified and unjustified acts of violence, emphasizing that the context of oppression must be considered.
What is the argument regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict being one-sided?
-The argument is made that there is no 'both sides' in a genocide, implying that the conflict is not a balanced situation and that one side is more victimized than the other.
What is the significance of the discussion about the West Bank and Gaza?
-The significance is to highlight the differing views on the Israeli occupation, the establishment of settlements, and the potential outcomes if Israel were to withdraw completely from these areas.
What is the panelist's view on the role of international law in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?
-The panelist argues for the importance of international law in granting Palestinians a contiguous state and criticizes the lack of such recognition and the ongoing occupation.
Outlines
😀 Addressing the Gaza Crisis and Western Reactions
The first paragraph discusses the emotional and polarized responses to the Gaza crisis, highlighting the feelings of insecurity among Jewish and Muslim communities in Western cities. It touches upon the tendency to frame the conflict as a battle between good and evil and criticizes the lack of attention to the actual war compared to protests at universities. The narrative also addresses the controversy surrounding New York Mayor Eric Adams and the public backlash against Alec Baldwin, with a call for him to express support for Palestine.
😓 The Complexity of Freeing Palestine and Public Figure Harassment
This paragraph delves into the complexities of achieving Palestinian freedom, with a conversation that includes assertions about the performative nature of some activism and the impact of misguided demonstrations. It also includes a confrontation between the host and a guest, where the guest's tactics and motives for harassing Alec Baldwin are questioned, and a debate ensues about the seriousness and sincerity of the guest's intentions.
🤔 The Role of Protests and Divestment in Supporting Palestine
The third paragraph focuses on the role of protests, particularly at universities, and the demand for divestment from companies supporting Israel's alleged apartheid regime. It discusses the goals of the student protests, the controversy over a potential Columbia University campus in Tel Aviv, and the broader debate over the effectiveness and appropriateness of protest tactics in raising awareness and driving change.
😠 Debating the Legitimacy of Violence and Statehood in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
This section presents a heated debate about the legitimacy of violence in the context of revolution, the status of Israel as an apartheid state, and the international law surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It includes accusations of selective support for violence, the discussion of the October 7th atrocities, and the characterization of Israel's occupation of the West Bank.
😤 The Impact of Protests and the Tragedy of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
The fifth paragraph emphasizes the importance of respectful dialogue in addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It condemns the harassment of public figures, the support for terror groups, and the lack of constructive conversation. The discussion also touches on the historical context of the conflict, the suffering of the people of Gaza, and the need for a solution that respects the rights and dignity of all parties involved.
😡 The Hostages Debate and the Future of the West Bank
The sixth paragraph is a contentious discussion about the use of hostages by Hamas and the Israeli Defense Forces' (IDF) military tactics. It includes arguments about the potential consequences if Israel were to withdraw completely from the West Bank, the portrayal of Palestinians as terrorists, and the broader implications for peace and stability in the region.
😠 The Call for Dissolution of the Apartheid Regime and the Gaza Blockade
The final paragraph is a chaotic exchange with participants arguing over the definition of genocide, the actions of Hamas, and the Israeli government's policies towards Gaza. It includes accusations of genocide and inhumane treatment, the role of international law, and the urgent need for a resolution that addresses the humanitarian crisis and the political aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Gaza
💡Apartheid
💡Hamas
💡Palestinians
💡Israeli Defense Forces (IDF)
💡Genocide
💡Protest
💡
💡Ethnic Cleansing
💡Settlements
💡International Law
💡Human Rights
Highlights
The ongoing debate over the Israel-Palestine conflict is highlighted, with various perspectives on the safety of Jewish and Muslim communities in Western cities.
Concern is expressed over the treatment of Palestinians and the perception of the crisis as a battle between good and evil.
Coverage of protests at American universities, such as NYU and Yale, has been criticized for overshadowing the actual conflict.
A Jewish professor at Columbia is mentioned for sharing a video of Muslims praying, which was met with controversy.
Protests and calls for divestment from companies supporting Israel are discussed, with a focus on student activism at various universities.
An incident involving New York Mayor Eric Adams being confronted for his alleged support of 'genocide' is detailed.
Alec Baldwin is mentioned in the context of being harassed by a performance artist demanding he say 'Free Palestine'.
The role of social media and 'virtue signaling' in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict is explored.
The panelists debate the effectiveness and sincerity of public protests and the line between performative activism and genuine support for causes.
The discussion touches on the history of violence and the concept of 'antifa' in the context of revolution.
Hassan, a streamer and activist, argues for the divestment from companies involved in the Israeli occupation and for Palestinian rights.
Emily Austin challenges the narrative of Israel as an apartheid state and questions the validity of the term 'genocide' in this context.
The conversation becomes heated, with panelists accusing each other of supporting terrorism and spreading misinformation.
The issue of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and their impact on the potential for a two-state solution is raised.
The debate concludes with a call for a more respectful and constructive dialogue that honors the victims of the conflict.
The role of the media in amplifying certain voices and narratives, such as 'Crackhead Barbie', is criticized.
The importance of addressing the root causes of the conflict and the need for a long-term solution is emphasized.
Transcripts
well the boring Gaza is incense
communities across the world many Jewish
people say they don't feel safe on the
streets of Western cities many Muslims
feel the horror facing innocent
Palestinians is treated as a second
class concern as with any emotive cause
a lot of people would know dog in the
fight have molded this crisis into a
familiar Battle of good versus evil
oppressors versus oppressed hysterical
scenes of some of America's top
universities this week have generated
more coverage and commentary than the
war itself in the last two weeks
Colombia says that all inperson classes
are now cancelled until the end of a
semester arrests have been made at
encampments outside NYU and Yale well
one notable Jewish professor at Columbia
shared a video of muslims praying as if
it was a shocking assault on us values
many badly informed Pro Palestine
demonstrators meanwhile have called for
an inter father Enchanted we love Hamas
others believe a synchronized dancing is
a long lost secret to peace in the
Middle East well these people are all
spending $80,000 a year on tuition but
clearly many of them haven't found
Wikipedia and Miss virtue signaling
fever
is now EMB Bolding a growing number of
people to confront public figures there
simply no connection to the wall this
was New York mayor Eric Adams bated for
supporting genocide as he took his seat
on a
flight you Eric
Adams yeah you he support the genocide
and py there are homeless people all
over in New York you're always partying
you don't actually care about the
citizens of New York people cannot
afford food you keep cutting the
education Bud budget so you F the
police and this so-called performance
artist has dominated timelines for days
after achieving what previously seemed
impossible and outpouring public
sympathy for Alec Baldwin by doing this
you're putting innocent people in jail
Alec Baldwin sorry free Palestine Alec
just one time and I'll leave you alone
I'll leave you alone I swear just say
free Palestine one time one time one
time call the police one time Alex you
know you know he's a
you know he's Criminal come on Alex just
say free Palestine one time Israel
Zionism please say
it one time could you give me one quick
favor one
time so does any of this make a
difference are these demonstrators
forcing the rich and Powerful to
confront and condemn the horrors of war
or is it a wave of self-indulgent
protest just distracting us some the
deadly serious realities of a grim
ongoing war in a moment I'll debate all
that with s [ __ ] Emily Austin Esther
craer and James Barber first I'm joined
by Alec Baldwin's antagonist there who
calls herself crackhead Bary well
welcome uh to
uncensored hey hey P I've been waiting
for you P [ __ ]
Morgan I wore my diaper today for you
pierce do you like it uh not not
particularly no do you want to sit
down I and and and Pierce can you bring
me to Buckingham Palace I would like to
meet the queen what I'd really like to
meet the queen I don't think the well
the queen uh if you mean queen Camila
she is probably tied up with royal
engagements at the moment if you meant
the queen who died get me in Pierce get
me [ __ ] in Pierce I want it okay can
I can I take you back if I may uh to
what you did to Alec bbing can you
explain why you did it what did I do to
Alec B Pierce do you see the damage that
Alec did to me do you see the damage
look at my arms look at my arms Pierce
look at my my neck I was named by a
white man on Monday you're telling me
what I
did no you weren't M by B on Monday were
you I was maed my hand is broken my neck
is broken no it's my legs look at my
legs my legs don't work look at this
Pierce Pierce are you another white
devil Pierce Moran don't do this to me
Pierce it's to early in the morning be
this is so early the wig your wigs come
off I it's not a wig Pierce it's my hair
I'm a white woman I identify as a white
woman let me ask you seriously if I may
for a moment because you're trying to
make a serious point I presume with Alec
Balwin he was getting a coffee you run
in you call him a killer I was getting a
coffee too okay but you decided to I was
getting a coffee too you don't have to
shout at me as well we can have a
civilized conversation I want to know
seriously I I'm very civil I wanted to
know seriously why you did what you did
and what you hoped to gained by
it pierced Pierce [ __ ] Morgan you're
asking just for the record my name is
actually just what's wrong with saying
free Palestine Pierce can you say free
free Palestine for me can you say free
Palestine for me if you stop shouting
yeah I want you to say it yes I'm happy
to say I'm not going to sh if you just
Mr Pierce Morgan if you just keep quiet
I can answer your question yes I'm very
happy to say never quiet Pierce sorry
you're still talking I'm never quiet
okay but try Pi I canot you ask me to do
something if you don't shut up I can't
give you the answer oh my God okay yeah
okay I'll shut up for you I absolutely
believe that Palestine should be free
yes oh okay and how are we going to do
that pierce give us the answer Pi Moran
give us the [ __ ] address how are we
going to make Palestine free yeah if it
was as simple as how we going to do it
if it was as simple as me just giving a
simple answer now it would have been
done by now it's a very complicated
issue but let me ask you again why do
why let me ask you again seriously why
did you do what you did to Alec Baldwin
and what did you hope to achieve Alec
Baldwin through look at me Pierce
honestly Pierce look at my body look at
this look at me Pier I was named by a
white man listen I understand I
understand you're a performative artist
I understand you're trying to make
everybody laugh you're beating you made
You' made your joke about your terrible
satellite you're lashing me right okay
I'm not lashing you I was beating this
is the third this is the third white man
to beat me this week third white man
yesterday my white boyfriend beat the
[ __ ] out of me this is the third white
man M day was Alec the second day was
another white man Third Day Pierce
borgan is beating me up on International
TV oh my God Pierce you're you're
hurting me Pierce You're really hurting
me right now you see here's my problem
here's my problem with your performative
art uh crackhead is I don't see what
hting I don't see what good you're doing
the cause of Palestine all you're doing
is turning the whole War into a
joke You're really hurting me this war
is not a joke why are you making why are
you making it such a mockery explain to
me how am I making a mockery how because
you're making it all about you're making
all about you and your silly pranks and
you're trying to have fun and actually
behind all this is a very serious war
going
on I'm always serious I'm always serious
you're hurting me right now Pier right
like you're hurting from your kid are
you going to explain are you going to
explain why you did what you did to Al
but win or
not I got hurt I'm a
victim I'm a victim P like a [ __ ]
Zionist I'm a
victim all of you you're hurting me
another white man okay you know you see
the trouble with this the trouble with
this performative art is it's not funny
you've got one gag that you've been maed
by the Bing which you haven't what you
haven't explained to the audience and
I've given you the chance repeatedly is
why you what you did and why you think
what you're doing now does anything but
make a mockery of all these people dying
in Gaza cuz that's what you're
doing that's that look Pierce you're
trying to spin this into some [ __ ] I
know exactly what you're doing Pierce I
you're tax you're British you're [ __ ]
annoying you eat TN crumpets you have
your pinky in the [ __ ] air you salute
the queen [ __ ] the crown [ __ ] Bucky Hand
p now I'm getting angry cuz P this is
what you now you're getting angry set
people up for [ __ ] now you're yeah you
set people up for sh I know exactly what
you do Pierce I know exactly cuz I do it
too Pierce and I have a [ __ ] audience
Pierce you think you think you could set
me up Pierce listen Pier I think you
know what I think I think you're I think
you're frankly I think Honesty crackhead
you are honestly pathetic this is one of
the most pathetic things I've ever had
to endure you're calling me a long
illustrious history of call black woman
a crackhead that's your name you're
calling me your name on your Twitter
Fe you call your yourself a bigger [ __ ]
than Pierce am I a bigger [ __ ] than
Megan final I'm going to give you a
final chance are you going to actually
answer the question of why you did what
you did to no Pierce Pierce I have a
question am I a bigger [ __ ] than Megan
marle because you know Buckingham P was
complain about the black girl and I want
to be that black girl okay I want to be
that black girl you know what I tried to
give you iiy to give you a hearing not
going to take it seriously I actually
think you're doing you may want to shout
yeah you may want to shout and scream Al
all
right I think we've heard enough of
crackhead to be honest with you um all
right let's bring in my panel uh
streamer Hassan perer journalist Emily
Austin uncensored contributor Esther kru
and podcaster James PA well Emily I mean
on one level I guess it was quite funny
but on another level I didn't like what
she did to Al BN I've got no truck for
Al Balwin whatsoever
and I think with this case that he's got
hanging over him I hope that Justice is
served because ultimately he did fire
the gun that killed that poor woman and
has been on some kind of weird PR tour
ever since uh but I don't like to see
any public figure whether it's Eric
Adams the mayor on a plane or Al baling
getting a coffee hared and harassed in
that manner now I tried to conduct a
serious interview she obviously wasn't
interested in doing that wanted to turn
the whole thing into a f mouth rant and
joke and performative thing fine fine
that's entirely her right to do it um
but what did you think of these uh
harassing not just by her but by other
people of public
figures you tried to conduct a serious
interview with crackhead Barby well no I
was asking her about a viral video of
her harassing Alec bwin which I do
actually think is a serious thing I do
actually think public figures should not
be harassed in that manner I've had a
bit of it myself and I think it crosses
a line right and Ali balbin you know as
far as I'm aware has not said anything
particularly uh Sensational about the
war at all so why she is harassing him
in the street in the way that she did uh
I think is worthy of of examination now
as it turned out she had no interest in
having a serious conversation okay so
we've cut it off but I don't think I
should be blamed for getting on someone
who is literally at the center of a
quite big news story in America for
harassing a famous star do you h no she
it was for she was doing it for clout
that's why she went on the show also for
clout which you were correct on pointing
out that using the ongoing anthy
cleansing campaign in Gaza and what's
happening to the Palestinian people uh
as a as a vehicle to to create more
social clout for yourself social capital
for yourself is pretty pretty
disingenuous pretty messed up I jump in
there because isn't that what
everybody's doing is isn't what the show
is also doing because you're talking
about create political clout create
noise I'll come to get clicks to make
money listen let's not all be
disingenuous the whole and actually
crackhead Barney isn't that different to
you and crack Barney said it herself she
said we're no different and I kind of
agree with CRA Barney I didn't think I'd
say it do you think there's any
correlation between what she just did
someone screaming over someone and not
letting them speak there's definitely a
correlation you think that I've treated
you like you treated I'm just saying
that I think that actually you aren't
that different you're trying to do the
same thing I'm I'll come back just doing
it in a different way no it's it's a
Preposterous suggestion do not do what
she does right but Hassan here's the
point I would make to you A lot of
people think a lot of these protesters
at universities in America are
performative the ones who are chanting
their support for Hamas the ones who are
chanting about inada and pretending it's
not about a violent u uprising I mean do
you accept that a lot of that is not
only performative but public
demonstration of support for
terrorism um absolutely not I don't
think that I mean all protests are
technically performative obviously but
there's a very clear-cut goal for uh the
the group of students at Columbia and
many other universities uh I was in
Melbourne not that long ago and I
attended a Palestinian protest there
Palestinian rally there and the students
there were also demanding the exact same
thing that they divest their colleges
divest from uh a lot of the companies
that are aligned with the state of
Israel a lot of the companies that are
directly involved uh in in operations in
the West Bank a lot of the companies
that that are playing a role in the
regular maintenance of the apartheid
regime of Israel and uh and helping
Israel conduct an ethnic cleansing
campaign that is the ultimate goal that
is why they're trying to very clearly uh
cause a little bit of a disruption and
engage in but are you comfortable okay
but are you comfortable can do are you
comfortable with the ones who are seen
chanting support for Hamas or chanting
about
in um I am perfectly comfortable uh with
with people chanting about the inata as
far as Hamas thing goes uh any any kind
of protest is always going to have a
Litany of random people but ultimately
it doesn't really matter you have to
look at the actual tangible goals that
the protest movement is stating they are
interested in and I think that those
goals and I think you will agree with me
on this Pi I think those goals are
pretty pretty valid overall I think that
they want to one reenter the attention
to the genocide that is ongoing in Gaza
and two uh demand that their tuition
dollars do not go to uh operations in
Israel I don't know if you're aware of
this but there's a there's a campus uh
there's going to be a sister campus that
uh is being built in Tel Aviv right now
for Columbia University this means that
Columbia University which once housed
the likes of the late great Edward S and
many others and that currently has many
Palestinian students who pay tuition for
project project such as this one will
not be able to go to that sister campus
I find that abhorent but it's everyday
existence in Israel let me bring in let
me bring in Emily uh you've been
listening to all this your
response with all due respect Hassan why
do you feel that Colombia or any college
for that matter owes you to divest from
Israel why do you think your opinion is
correct cuz so far I heard the classic
buzzwords apar tide discriminatory
ethnic cleansing and genocide which is
funny because it's all the exact
opposite so if I may ask you what about
Israel is a parthe you also just said
the students in Israel um the canvas in
Israel will not allow Palestinians to
join are you confused or do you know
nothing about the country of Israel
because let me remind you Jews are not
allowed in the West Bank in Gaza however
Arabs have full Israeli citizenship have
the rights are members of the knesset
which is the equivalent of you can think
of Congress and even prosecuted a former
prime minister AUD Omare an Arab judge
so what aparte exactly are you speaking
about what genocide what ethnic
cleansing and secondly how dare you as
how dare you say it's okay to talk about
an antifa let me remind you the antifa
last time it happened in Israel
consisted of thousands of people dying
in bus bombing so are you saying that
you support terrorism and killing
innocent
people well Ina simply just means
revolution and I'm an American and in
1776 violent and it was pretty [ __ ]
good yeah what do you think the American
do you think the American Revolution
Bima we also bomb Hiroshima don't don't
yeah I know and that was also unjust and
unimaginably cruel but of course the
Israel Defender is also Defending Your
narrative civilians and killing them
hundreds of thousand it f your Nar it's
jied but when it refocus the convers to
the points that you made Let's
refocus just to remind everybody I'm
actually moderating this but that's an
interesting point that Emily just raised
Hassan it does seem that you're very
selective about the violence that you
support that when you support it it's
Justified when other people use things
in a violent way that you don't support
it's unjustified seems like it's all
skewed to what Hassan P
thinks well not necessarily just what I
think I think that there are obvious
markers obvious boundaries I don't think
violence against civilians is Justified
I have talked about October 7 on this
very same show saying that it was a
tragedy it was atrocities that occurred
on October 7 specifically uh when you
target civilians in any capacity I think
that that is unacceptable however this
does not mean that violence will not
occur in many circumstances violence has
occurred in every single revolutionary
action many good revolutionary actions
obviously America bombing Hiroshima and
nagas Sagi with uh with a an atom bomb
uh that was not a very good
Hamer was not a very good moment for
human civilization at all was what Hamas
did on
October was what Hamas did on October
the 7th an example of what you would
call a Justified
Revolution I don't look at every single
act of violence I look at You' literally
just been reting a whole systems of
Oppression why you avoiding oob the you
do it too
I'm not avoiding it I've talked about it
a million times over let me ask you one
this we disc this not where we disc let
me directly one more let me ask you one
more time do you believe what happened
on October the 7th was a Justified Act
of Revolution yes so
not I do not and I do think that I oh
wait hold on that's let me let me
clarify let me clarify something very
important here events that unfolded on
October 7 were atrocities that much is
clear
those atrocities could have been avoided
if Israel was not an apartheid regime
Israel has been an aparti regime apar
regim keep repeating that no you can't
just chime in you can't just chime you
ask me a question you want to you ask me
a question I'm going give you an answer
cuz you're repeating Israel has been an
aparti regime since its Inception until
until
1967 Israel was an apartheid regime for
the Palestinian citizens of Israel the
Arabs as you called them they were there
was a two-tier Criminal justice system
they were subjected to the military
Court processes and not the Civil Court
processes until 1967 after 1967 they got
citizenship there are obviously still
many different social issues that
pertain to the Palestinian citizens of
Israel the Arabs that are living in
Israel uh those who are not Jewish of
course um however Israel currently is
occupying the West Bank there are more
than 2 million Palestinians that live in
the West Bank Israel is illegally
occupying the West Bank there are
checkpoints
there are uh license plates where but
that restrict Palestinian travel the the
uh Israeli operations in the West Bank
have destroyed Palestinian statehood now
of course all of this is readily
available for those who want to learn
about it yourself included I hope you
look it up bet selum is an Israeli human
rights organization which declared
Israel to be an apartheid regime in 2021
of the April of 2021 Amnesty
International declared Israel to be an a
parti regime let me before I move H hang
on hang on hang on before we I I just
want to bring in our two British
panelists here but just finally just to
clarify asan I can't quite work out
whether you said you do think October
the 7th was an unjustified Act of
Revolution or whether you changed your
mind so can you
clarify I think
that violent means of maintaining an
apartheid is inevitably going to yield
violent
retaliation it was it
that is completely avoidable was it
Justified civilian deaths are never
Justified Hang On Em you look goldber
Poland's mother in the eyes no you look
this person's mother in the eyes and you
tell him that this was justified you
tell him his arm being blown off and
being held in captivity for 200
days isra Defender has no capacity to
[ __ ] hear
anything talking just if you're not
respect me and listen to by the way of
Gaza if you talk each other nobody can
hear you I
think I think it's the entire world
knows it
is let me handle this Emily Hass just
before I come to the the two uh people
who are with me here I just I just need
some clarity here because it seems like
you're dancing around whether you think
October the 7th was justifi why we doing
this why are we doing this back and
forth masturbation I've already given
you
tired
of dog tag it's it's okay [ __ ] demon
next to me wearing an idea of dog tag if
she actually thinks Israel's actions are
justifiable do you see bring the the
hostages I'm going to give you I'm going
to let you two calm down it's pointless
we cannot hear you when you talk over
each other people every time recently I
have someone from both sides on like it
goes like this I'm wearing this Rusty
necklace can you listen to me em
civilians in Gaza right now can you stop
doing this to each other please nobody
can nobody can understand a word either
of you saying let me come to Esther and
James here this is one of my problems I
want to hear if Emily condemns the you
will please let me moderate the debate
you ask about got two PS have had CU
you're a [ __ ] terrorist
and I think you're a
terrorist and I think you're a terrorist
as well okay well I'm not the one
wearing because the hes are home don't
expect the war to be over yeah I know
you don't care about the hostages if you
care about the hostages you screaming at
Benjamin your own
terrorism is the are exposing
youjin hostages
than not only oppressing the Palestinian
people but for spreading terrorism I
don't see your outrage of Hamas Israel
gave Gaza back in 200 and Hamas has
turned
terrorist and can you please show some
courtesy evil in comparison to Israel
can you please stop talking both of you
and the other two panelists have a say
sound bite Pierce I give give some
courtesy please some courtesy for your
co-panelist here now esta this is one of
the problems I have with this whole
debate is that increasingly we it just
descends into a screaming match between
Pro Palestinians and pro- Israelis and
the biggest losers are the biggest are
the victims of this war 33,000 dead
Palestinians over 1,500 dead Israelis
these These are the biggest victims of
this because you're shouting at each
other and nothing is getting like you
you're completely forget having no
courtesy for us you're completely
disrespecting actual victims of this
conflict which by the way didn't happen
in a vacuum and I think that's the most
important thing to say about this none
of this happened in a vacuum of course
October the 7th was an atrocity and was
completely unjustified there was no
justification for butchering people in
the way that they did but it didn't
happen in a vacuum a lot of the people
that live in Gaza weren't even weren't
even born at the time that that Hamas
came over came in power so I I really
just I despise this your terrorist
sympathizer your genocide supporter all
of this when really the people that we
should be talking about deserve better
okay James on the wider point of these
protests I couldn't get to that part
because I wanted to describe what the
apartheid is and Emily cut in
immediately to CH us some random [ __ ]
okay you were both abusing each other it
was very untis let me let me ask James
James on the proteste on the protest um
I believe in in the right to protest
that's an absolute Bedrock of any
democracy but I don't believe in the
right to support Terror groups publicly
or to chant about support for Hamas or
to chant about inap which is a violent
Uprising where's the line for you with
these I agree I think we have to condemn
what herass did and I don't think the
words that have been used so so far have
been strong enough I mean it was the
worst thing we've seen in a very long
time it was disgusting appalling awful
for everyone involved I also have a lot
of sympathy if not I can't think of a
bigger word for the people of Gaza it's
awful and I will agree with you I do
want a free Palestine and I also want a
free and successful Israel but I don't
want innocent people murdered so yeah
you can't go to a protest and start
shouting about support for Hamas that's
insane is it ironic that something like
this has become The Haven for like the
mentally unwell you're talking about
something as serious as a conflict in in
Israel and Gaza and for some reason you
have really uneducated people that are
clearly should 0 like 20 years ago would
have been in an asylum supporting this
openly not knowing not even knowing the
conflict not even knowing the context of
what they're supporting and for some
reason we we even give it air time
that's what upsets me people these
people don't deserve air time everyone
is so triggered on both s on all sides
for and rightly so because a lot of
terrible stuff happened so that's where
the emotion is coming from but really I
think we all want the same thing and
that is for innocent people to not be
murdered or slain in the streets right I
mean look
Hassan hang on Emily please I'll come to
you let me just ask Hassan when when you
and Emily go at each other like you just
did nobody wins I mean no one can really
understand a word you're saying because
you talk you're shouting over each other
you end up just calling each other
terrorists there's no there's no
sensible dialogue here there's no no
constructive conversation it's just two
impecably opposed sides abusing each
other do you understand
that yeah I listen peers okay this is
going to always have this is going to
always be a very heated discussion okay
having a conversation about how heated
this discussion is is utterly
unproductive every single moment that we
use on air not talking about every
single every single uh University
Building being Des graded destroyed uh
the fact that we're having this
conversation in the eve of hundreds of
mass Graves being Unearthed right now in
in uh many different parts of Gaza
around hospitals that Israel had laid
Siege to is disgusting I agree I came on
here as I have done last time as well
and as I will probably do in the future
as well with one simple goal in mind
which is to address all of the
misinformation that surrounds stuff like
this as far as The Crackhead Barbie
thing goes yeah she's a random Tik Tok
influencer who gives a [ __ ] about what
she has to say she's obviously doing it
for clout but the students over at
Columbia okay the students that I have
talked to at the Columbia University
apartheid devest group the students that
I've talked to from Jewish voice for
peace um all right Emily let me just ask
you the same thing I asked to S when you
guys scream at each other and call each
other terrorist it doesn't obviously
achieve anything other than it becomes
unintelligible to the audience you know
is there not a better way we can have
this conv
enough correct then funnily enough I
have the same exact answer as Hassan my
job here is to make sure that I'm
debunking false narratives that Hassan
is clearly spewing my job here is to
call out hypocrisy and I just saw
another one where he's saying that
crackhead Barney whoever the hell that
girl was is a lunatic but Aaron Bushnell
who lights himself on fire as a hero you
can't pick and choose whatever fits your
narrative and I keep I keep on repeating
that over and over again because the
Palestinian movement will literally just
take what they can get spew all of the
truth into their false narrative spread
misinformation and then you say that
we're the Liars you you tell me I'm
wearing an IDF dog tag I'm wearing a
bring them home for the hostages that
you no it says bring them home you're
using you're using the hostages as a
simple political tool to make propaganda
in the west is quite disgusting the
protest that are happening in Israel
right now are M are a political tool and
those protests
why you are using humans in captivity as
a
poli so obvious why Hassan why are you
dehumanizing the hostages because I have
no problem admitting the Palestinians
deserve better I feel Terri using them
as a political P you care about the
hostages you would be in right
now let me bring in let me bring in
James let me bring in James please I'm
sorry pleas let me bring in Jame I agree
with both of you sorry can you please
when I say stop talking please stop
talking we got four people here if
anyone is using hostages surely it's
Hamas
Hassan how can you say that how can you
how can you use that argument that's
that's a crazy thing to say it's Hamas
that taken these people tens of
thousands of people is there are
currently tens of thousands of Israeli
citizens right now in the Pro right now
in the streets of Israel in the streets
of Tel Aviv outside of Benjamin nyah's
house protesting every single day what
are they protesting they're protesting
for Benjamin Netanyahu to facilitate a
ceasefire with Hamas so that they can
actually bring the hostages home that is
precisely the number one go the family
members of the hostages any on this
panel was being even a little bit honest
they would recognize the reality listen
just listen you didn't listen to my
question Listen to listen to what I'm
saying and you will understand perhaps
what I'm trying to
implying utilizing the hostages yeah I
am being patronizing I don't know who
the [ __ ] you are and you're over here
chirping chirping all the way from
[ __ ] London about Palestine and doing
a both sides are [ __ ] fine type
[ __ ] where you're talking about how
you want to [ __ ] free Palestine but
also simultaneously you know both sides
got a lot a lot going on shut the [ __ ]
up you don't know anything okay I don't
give a [ __ ] about what your perspective
is Hass doesn't like you have to say so
you're wrong it's not it's Hassan's way
or the highway I me are you are there is
no both sides on a genocide is there a
both sides of a genocide there is no
both sides the thing is it's interesting
you should mention the
hostages they want Jewish genocide but
that's okay but Jewish genocide is okay
if you're talking about the well-being
of the of if you're talking about the
well-being of the hostages what sense
did it make for the IDF to flatten about
70% of Gaza because I completely agree
bring the hostages home if you look at
Gaza the Topography of Gaza right now it
looks like a pancake so I'm sorry this
whole argument of Hamas using them as
human tools fine but the IDF has also
been using it to continue that campaign
if you were told that if God forbid if
your your relative was one of the
hostages and you saw what's happening
right now and I met someone whose mother
is a hostage and he said he didn't want
his mother and her being taken to be
used in the name of violence right now
he's sitting at home wondering okay what
is the logic of trying to bring my
mother home when you flattened Gaza
please explain that to us so can I you
might very well you might very well pull
those hostages from let Emily respond to
that everyone wants to criticize the
idf's response but nobody wants to tell
me what should Israel be doing to
retaliate October 7th eradicate Hamas
from preventing another October 7th and
bring the hostage I have an idea I have
an idea I have an idea do not flatten
Gaza and potentially pull your own
hostages up from under from under the
rubble like have been done with
thousands of Palestinians that's a good
idea have you found any of them under
the you don't have an answer that is the
answer kill your own hostages you're
quick to condemn the IDF but you don't
an answer the hostages very interesting
I have an answer thank you for proving
my point it's called the dissolution of
the apartheid regime that's what it's
called dissolve the apartheid regime
allow Palestinians Breathing Room allow
I do do you not understand the English
language dissolve thear regime you need
a Xanax first of all you need a Xanax
okay so should Israel do 30,000
Palestinians have been ruthlessly
slaughtered by the Israel St
that it turn another Gaza is that what
you'd like to see another terrorist
Haven launching Rockets all day instead
of turning into Singapore cuz that's
what they did in
2005 singap of dollars in they turned
into building tunnels is that what you
like Singapore every
day to be Singapore what are you talking
about is the West Bank supposed to be
Singapore West Bank received the West
Bank has a port they can Import and
Export Israel gave them a great piece of
land they received billions of dollars
in Aid not only from the US Isel gave
are you mad they had a chance to rebuild
but they spent the last 15 plus years
crying that they don't have enough land
because there is Never Enough land for
them instead of rebuilding but that's
okay build terrorist tunnels don't build
hotels and don't rebuild civilization
just build Terror
Tans to have a nation state that they
deserve by international law since the
Inception of the Israeli nation state
what you are saying is insane to me the
fact that you brought up the last 15
years as Palestinians crying is
disgusting oh I have one more question
you are a disgusting little monster who
thinks that not offering contiguity to
the Palestinians in the form of a state
which is under international law is just
simply Palestinian
cry this don't want a two State solution
they want State solution that eradicates
the Israelis is not an option fine this
West Bank Singapore what place do does
the settlements play in that how please
paint a picture of how the the West Bank
of Singapore or whatever Singapore of
the West Bank how does how does this
illegal settlements fit that I I think
you're completely missing you're missing
the picture just explain howl fit into
that pict a piece of land I'm explaining
it okay I'm listen the picture is they
got a great piece of land to turn into
society instead of turning into
civilized society Kamas Israel gave
Israel gave the land to Gaza they they
is not Israel's land to give it's not
isra's land to give is not Israel's land
to give there are no Jews or Israelis
there are no settlements in Gaza gave it
to the West Bank I'm speaking about Gaza
I'm asking about West cuz I was
interested I'm telling you that if
Israel pulls out completely from the
West Bank if I'm speaking if Israel
pulls out from the West Bank you can bet
your ass it turns into the next Gaza the
world does not need two Gaza because one
Gaza has already caused enough damage if
however Gaza decides to
demand some hypothetical they can have
democ has to do a genocide because Isel
doesn't do a genocide then
the defensive
genocide you know it's interesting the
word genocide hang on it's interesting
the word hang on I would love to get a
word in please interesting the word
genocide because listen to all this
fractures debate everyone talking over
each other the truth is that actually
only one side is publicly said that they
wish to pursue a genocide and that is
Hamas Hamas after October the 7th
through their official spokesman on
camera said they wanted to do it again
and again and again that is the purest
articulation of a genocide imaginable
and the one thing I never hear from the
pro Palestinian side is what Israel hang
don't interrupt me I ask you a question
yet one Hamas guy sorry I need to ask
you a question you're being a ridiculous
person ridiculous person I'm just saying
nobody ever tells me how many Israeli
officials even on your show have said we
should keep doing what we have been
doing to Gaza over and over again how
does that not register in the same
genocidal intent if you think what that
dude was saying which was by the way
ridiculous what he was saying the Hamas
official was saying is that we're going
to do October 7th over and over
are jied do it over and again I don't
yes I find that to be abh however what
you fail to recognize is that's the
genocidal intent but not AMC that's the
genocidal intent but not saying we are
fighting Human animals and that's why we
have to cut off their food their water
and their electricity that was defense
minister joev
Galan they don't electricity saying they
cut off their water C you are lies on
National Television
hang you're talking over each other some
of the of the comy that people they're
at war
with Israel is I'm not let information
country on the planet I swear to God it
again this is pointless uh we're getting
nowhere Israel is cutting off
electricity water and Aid just defense
minister y Gant say we are fighting
Human animals or not answer that
question did the defense minister y
Galan say we are fighting Human animals
and we have to cut off their electricity
cut off their food cut off their
water okay you know what I'm going to
cut off c% of their electricity the rest
isas I'm going to cut off the debate
getting absolutely nowhere but I
appreciate everybody joining me thank
you very much indeed
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