“$962 BILLION Due” - Nearly 300 Banks Could FAIL Due to Collapse of Commercial Real Estate
Summary
TLDRThe video transcript discusses the potential risk of failure for hundreds of US banks, as highlighted by Christopher F. W., a managing director at Fitch Ratings. According to an analysis by Claris Group, 282 banks face the dual threat of commercial real estate loans and potential losses due to higher interest rates. The majority of these banks are smaller lenders with assets under $10 billion. While they are not insolvent, they are considered stressed, which could impact communities and customers. The conversation also touches on the upcoming refinancing of $962 billion in commercial paper within the next 18 months and the implications of higher interest rates announced by the Federal Reserve. The potential for bank failures and commercial real estate going into receivership is compared to, but distinguished from, the Great Depression. The discussion also covers the importance of cash reserves for banks, referencing the FDIC's insurance limit and the historical example of Washington Mutual's failure during the 2008 financial crisis. The potential impact of rising unemployment rates on the economy and the shift from full-time to part-time jobs are also addressed, with a mention of the Federal Reserve's economic data and its implications. The transcript concludes with a promotion for 'allegedly' shirts and hats, which are offered as a symbol of optimism for the future.
Takeaways
- 🏦 **Risk of Bank Failures**: Hundreds of US banks may be at risk of failing or dipping below their minimum capital requirements due to commercial real estate loans and potential losses tied to higher interest rates.
- 📉 **Impact on Smaller Lenders**: The majority of the banks facing these risks are smaller lenders with less than $10 billion in assets.
- 💹 **Stress on Banks**: Banks are not necessarily insolvent but are stressed, which can still harm communities and customers.
- 📚 **Commercial Paper Refinancing**: There's a significant amount of commercial paper refinancing ($962 billion) coming up in the next 18 months, which could be affected by higher interest rates.
- 📈 **FED Rate Policies**: The Federal Reserve has indicated that interest rates will remain higher for longer, which could exacerbate the refinancing challenges for banks.
- 📊 **Labor Market Shift**: There's a shift in the labor market with more part-time jobs being created than full-time jobs, indicating a potential issue with job quality and stability.
- 👔 **Unemployment Rate Concerns**: An increase in the unemployment rate, particularly if it reaches 4.5% or higher, could force the Federal Reserve to adjust interest rates more aggressively.
- 🤖 **AI and Job Displacement**: The rise of AI and automation could lead to increased unemployment in the future, which might not be well managed by current economic policies.
- 💸 **Cash is King**: Individuals and firms with cash on hand are in a strong position to take advantage of opportunities that arise from market stress, such as buying assets at a discount.
- 🏢 **Commercial Real Estate Concerns**: There's a potential for commercial real estate to go into receivership, which private equity firms are preparing for, indicating a readiness to capitalize on distressed assets.
- 📘 **FDIC Insurance and Stress Tests**: The FDIC insures deposits up to $250,000, and banks are subject to stress tests to evaluate their cash reserves and financial health.
Q & A
What is the potential risk that hundreds of US banks may face according to the CNBC story?
-The potential risk is that these banks may either fail or dip below their minimum capital requirements due to the dual threat of commercial real estate loans and potential losses tied to higher interest rates.
Who is Christopher WF and what does he say about the banks' situation?
-Christopher WF is the managing director and head of North American banks at Fitch ratings. He told CNBC that there may be fewer bank failures, but communities and customers will still be affected by the stress on the banks.
What did the Claris Group analysis find regarding US banks?
-The Claris Group analysis found that out of about 4,000 US banks, 282 face the dual threat of commercial real estate loans and potential losses tied to higher interest rates, with most of these banks being smaller lenders with less than $10 billion in assets.
What is the significance of the term 'stressed' in the context of banks?
-The term 'stressed' in the context of banks refers to banks that are not necessarily insolvent but are facing financial stress that could impact their operations and the communities they serve.
What is the current situation with commercial paper refinancing in the US?
-There is approximately $962 billion of commercial paper refinancing expected in the next 18 months, which could be affected by higher interest rates as indicated by the Federal Reserve.
How do private equity firms and individuals like Jamie Diamond fit into the scenario?
-Private equity firms and individuals like Jamie Diamond are prepared to take advantage of the situation, as their balance sheets are ready to invest in commercial real estate that may go into receivership due to the financial stress on banks.
What is a 'stress test' in the banking context?
-A 'stress test' in the banking context is a measure used to evaluate a bank's financial health by assessing its cash reserves and ability to withstand economic stress, similar to medical stress tests for individuals.
What is the FDIC insurance coverage limit for an individual account?
-The FDIC insurance coverage limit for an individual account is $250,000.
What was the outcome of the Washington Mutual (WAMU) bank failure in 2008?
-Washington Mutual (WAMU) failed the stress test and was sold to JPMorgan Chase for $1.9 billion, marking the largest bank failure in American history at the time.
What recent bank failures were mentioned in the transcript?
-The recent bank failures mentioned were Signature Bank and First Republic Bank, with First Republic having $200 billion in insolvent assets and Signature Bank having $100 billion.
How does the current labor market situation relate to the banking crisis?
-The labor market is shifting towards part-time jobs over full-time jobs, which could indicate a weakening economy. This, coupled with potential unemployment due to AI advancements, could lead to increased financial stress on banks and their customers.
What is the significance of the unemployment rate in relation to the Federal Reserve's actions?
-The Federal Reserve closely monitors the unemployment rate, and if it rises to certain thresholds (like 4.5% or 5%), it may prompt the Fed to adjust interest rates to address economic concerns.
Outlines
📉 US Banks at Risk of Failure
This paragraph discusses the potential risk of failure for hundreds of US banks. Christopher F. W., managing director at Fitch ratings, warns that some banks may dip below their minimum capital requirements. Consulting firm Claris group analyzed around 4,000 US banks and found that 282 face the dual threat of commercial real estate loans and potential losses tied to higher interest rates. The majority of these at-risk banks are smaller lenders with less than $10 billion in assets. While most are solvent, they are considered stressed. The potential for bank failures and commercial real estate going into receivership is compared to the situation in 1928 during the Great Depression, but the speaker emphasizes that the current situation is not as severe. The importance of passing stress tests for banks is highlighted, as well as the impact of unemployment rates on the economy and the potential for job losses due to AI.
👕 Allegedly Merchandise and the Labor Market
This paragraph covers two main topics. First, it discusses the launch of 'allegedly' merchandise, including shirts with the phrase 'Future Looks Bright' on the back. The speaker mentions a promotion where the first 100 customers to order an 'allegedly' shirt and a 'Future Looks Bright' hat will receive a bonus shirt and pin. The website to order the merchandise is VTmerch.com. The second half of the paragraph addresses the labor market. The speaker expresses concern about the rising unemployment rate, which is currently at 3.8% and creeping up. They discuss the potential consequences if it reaches 4.5% or higher, including the possibility of the Federal Reserve changing its position on interest rates. The paragraph also highlights a shift in the labor market, with a net increase in part-time jobs and a decrease in full-time jobs. The speaker criticizes the mainstream media for not discussing this 'dirty little secret' behind the job reports. They reference Federal Reserve economic data from St. Louis, which they say supports their claims.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Bank Failure
💡Commercial Real Estate Loans
💡Interest Rates
💡Stress Test
💡Insolvency
💡Asset Size
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💡Commercial Paper
💡Unemployment Rate
💡Inflation
💡Labor Market Shift
💡Federal Reserve Economic Data (FRED)
Highlights
Hundreds of US banks may be at risk of failure due to commercial real estate loans and potential losses tied to higher interest rates.
The majority of banks facing this dual threat are smaller lenders with less than $10 billion in assets.
Most of these banks are solvent or close to insolvent, meaning they are stressed but not yet failing.
Fewer bank failures are expected, but communities and customers will still be impacted by the stress on banks.
$962 billion of commercial paper needs to be refinanced in the next 18 months, which could be challenging if interest rates remain high.
Private equity firms like Blackstone are prepared to take advantage of distressed commercial real estate if there are failures.
Banks are required to pass stress tests to ensure they have adequate cash reserves.
The FDIC insures deposits up to $250,000, so larger deposits may be at risk if a bank fails.
The largest bank failure in US history was Washington Mutual in 2008, which was tied to toxic mortgages.
Other major bank failures in the past year include Signature Bank, First Republic Bank, and Silicon Valley Bank.
Banks need to be prepared to pass stress tests, which are now tied to interest rates and commercial property.
Having cash on hand now is advantageous, as it allows investors to buy assets at a discount in a down market.
If unemployment rates rise significantly, it could force the Fed to increase interest rates more aggressively.
There is a shift in the labor market, with a net increase in part-time jobs and a net decrease in full-time jobs.
The Federal Reserve's economic data, available on the FRED website, shows this shift in full-time vs. part-time jobs.
The hosts discuss the launch of their new 'Allegedly' t-shirts and hats, which are now available for purchase.
For the first 100 orders of an 'Allegedly' shirt and 'Future Looks Bright' hat, customers will also receive a bonus shirt and pin.
Transcripts
why hundreds of US Banks may be at risk
of failure CNBC story you could see some
banks either fail or at least you know
dip below their minimum Capital
requirements Christopher WF managing
director and head of North American
banks at Fitch ratings told CNBC
consulting firms Claris group analyze
about 4,000 US Banks and here we go
found 282 Banks face the Dual threat of
commercial real estate loans and
potential losses tied to higher interest
rates the majority of these banks are
smaller lenders with less than $10
billion in assets most of these Banks AR
solvent or even close to insolvent
insolvent they're just stressed Brian
Graham said co-founder and partner of
Claris group uh tolds the embassy that
means they there will be fewer bank
failures but it doesn't mean that
communities and customers don't get hurt
by that stress Tom so there is a a
crisis that's about to happen and so
he's saying he already said there'll be
fewer bank failures what do you mean
fewer bank failures that's like saying
that's like saying hey when the
hurricane just passes by there'll be
less rain but it's still raining yeah so
that's what's going on here's a number
for you
962 billion of commercial paper
refinancing in the next 18 months ending
around end of the second quarter next
year so actually we're coming up on a
year yeah yeah yeah it's 12 months now I
was thinking since the beginning of this
year 962 billion n now if the rates go
down that way they could ref oh wait a
minute the FED just said the rates will
be higher longer uhoh uhoh getting warm
so there may be fewer bank failures but
the there's going to be bank failures
there's going to be commercial real
estate that goes into receivership and
this isn't going to be like 1928 in the
Great Depression but you're going to see
a ton of the stuff and the big private
equity firms and Jamie Diamond are ready
for it because their balance sheets are
ready to pounce and it's interesting
that they use that that term they're not
going to be in solvent they're just
stressed so if you ever go to a doctor
they're going to do something called a
stress test on you they do the same
thing for banks basically how much money
how much cash reserves you have um in
the house basically the FDIC what is it
$250,000 if you anything above that
basic so I remember when you interviewed
your buddy your good your good buddy
from WAMU uh best the best interview
ever oh yes actually enjoyed it he was
upset I was happy about it so we've seen
this wife was screaming in the hallway I
mean what do you expect but um they
couldn't pass the stress test I think
they lost what $300 billion ridic from
being a $330 billion company WAMU to
chase bind him for $1.9 billion so that
was the biggest bank failure and that
was obviously in 2008 cuz it was all
tied to the uh mortgage uh what was the
term that they used for mortgage well no
income no assets but the the toxic
mortgage also Mark Market the value of
the assets are dropped and suddenly but
that that was the biggest uh bank
failure in American history but all the
other biggest bank failures we've ever
seen in American history were in the
last 12 months Signature Bank um First
Republic Silicon Valley I think First
Republic had $200 billion ins solvent um
silicon Bley another 200 billion
Signature Bank 100 ion
um yeah these Banks be better be ready
to pass the stress test the first time
it was tied to mortgages now it's tied
to interest rates correct and big
commercial property yep yeah he who has
cash right now is in a is in a nice
place he who has cash you can buy a lot
of things for a discount especially now
that inflation is not going lower and by
the way Tom if all of a sudden
unemployment rates climb just so
everybody knows this is the one thing
that Jerome pow is not going to know how
to control can you go up to the
unemployment rates right now Rob just
pull up unemployment rates in the
states unemployment right now is what
three and a
half% find a chart for me find a chart
yeah so right there 3.8 creeping back up
is the bad thing yeah that's the thing
by the way if that thing you see it's
not staying flat it's kind of going up a
little bit right yeah if that thing
Vinnie goes to 4% 4 and a half% if it
goes to four and a half if it touches
five again the keyw is if we can we can
put another short alleged allegedly if
if it touches 4 and a half% yeah what
happens you know what happens what that
guy named Jerome Powell has to change
his position and actually announce rate
increase of a court of a basis point to
a half a point yes or no correct
absolutely yes if that thing touches
four and a half and the like let's just
say uh Pat in the next couple years
especially with AI taking over and a lot
of these people are going to be jobless
that is going to start going up that's
the biggest fear well no I'm just saying
it it's going to happen the number that
they want to keep it under is 5% correct
but if it goes to four four and a half
not four I don't think it happens at
four I think at four CU it's only point
two away right go five is the number
that they're trying to keep this bad boy
is the number I think if it goes to four
and a half your own power's going to
take a pat I'm itching for a bet I'm
itching for a bet cuz you're going to
lose money to me you're going to lose
money to me do you think it gets to five
no I was going to take the under by the
by the election oh no and by the way
let's keep in mind just ining for a bet
guys no I'm just saying AI I'm just
saying AI is going to take a little
while but it's still it's like you said
it's starting to creep up you're right
you're right cuz what are those people
going to and then think about what's
going to happen to society when all
those people start losing jobs and they
have no money yeah go go think about
that they're losing jobs now the numbers
behind the numbers on labor is scary Q4
the net increase in jobs was part-time
jobs more full-time jobs were lost in Q4
than were created it was a net decrease
the net jobs report in Q4 was part-time
jobs the net job increase in q1 was
part-time jobs we have lost more
full-time jobs than we've created going
back to August of last year so there is
a shift that's going on in the labor
base underneath and that is the dirty
little secret behind these jobs reports
which politically driven but the FED in
all their footnotes Fred F Federal
Reserve economic data that comes out of
St Louis they're putting it in the
footnotes it's there in the footnotes
but none of the mainstream media is
talking about it we're losing full-time
jobs and replacing it with parttime jobs
McDonald's as we said on the last
podcast had a tough earnings report and
then warned everybody and by the way the
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