Lakers infatuated, Celtics vs Pacers ECF & Cavs, Bulls reluctant to trade | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
Summary
TLDRIn this episode, the hosts discuss the Los Angeles Lakers' interest in JJ Redick as a potential coach, comparing him to Pat Riley and debating his qualifications. They also touch on the Lakers' management strategy and speculate on LeBron James' involvement. Additionally, they analyze the performance of the Indiana Pacers and Boston Celtics in the playoffs, with a focus on the Celtics' need to protect their home court advantage. The conversation also hints at upcoming playoff predictions and a special guest appearance by Patrick Mahomes.
Takeaways
- 🏀 The Lakers are reportedly interested in JJ Redick as a potential coach, comparing him to Pat Riley due to his sharp shooting and media presence.
- 🤔 There is skepticism about whether Redick's success as an analyst and podcaster will translate into being a good coach, as past examples have varied widely.
- 📈 The comparison to Pat Riley is seen as more of a headline generator than a serious prediction of Redick's coaching potential.
- 👀 The Lakers' approach to hiring a coach is questioned, with suggestions they may be more focused on creating buzz than making the best decision.
- 🏆 Pat Riley's coaching career is highlighted, showing that even he had a path to success that was not immediately predictable.
- 💬 Discussion about other potential coaching candidates, such as Sam Cassell, who may not generate the same buzz but could be solid choices.
- 🤝 There's a debate about whether the media protects certain NBA stars and whether this influences team decisions, with a focus on LeBron James and Michael Jordan.
- 🚫 Reports suggest that the Bulls are reluctant to trade with the Lakers, possibly due to a desire to protect Michael Jordan's legacy.
- 🤷♂️ The idea that a team would refuse to trade with another simply out of spite or to avoid strengthening them is considered bad business practice.
- 🏆 The importance of protecting home court advantage in the playoffs is emphasized, with a history of teams that struggled at home not faring well in the finals.
- 🏆 A call for a strong performance from the Celtics and Pacers in the Conference Finals, with a particular focus on star players like Jayson Tatum.
Q & A
What is the main topic discussed in the transcript?
-The main topic discussed in the transcript is the Los Angeles Lakers' interest in hiring JJ Redick as a coach, comparing him to Pat Riley, and the various opinions on this decision.
What is the significance of Pat Riley having nine championship rings in the context of the Lakers' interest in JJ Redick?
-The significance is that the Lakers are viewing JJ Redick as a Pat Riley-like coaching prospect, implying they believe he could potentially bring the same level of success to the franchise that Riley did.
What is the general sentiment towards predicting the success of a coach without prior coaching experience?
-The general sentiment is that it is impossible to predict whether someone will be a good coach without prior experience, as history has shown various outcomes for those who transitioned directly into coaching roles.
What are some examples given in the transcript of players or assistants who were expected to be great coaches but did not meet expectations?
-Examples given include Darvin Ham, Mark Ivarone, Derek Fisher, and Steve Nash, who despite their success as players or in other roles, did not fare well as head coaches.
What is the opinion on JJ Redick's potential as a head coach based on his media presence?
-The opinion is that while JJ Redick appears intelligent and knowledgeable about basketball on TV, and has a strong personality, these qualities alone do not guarantee success as a head coach.
What is the speculation about the Lakers' decision-making process regarding their coaching search?
-The speculation is that the Lakers may be more focused on generating buzz and having someone to blame if things don't work out, rather than making the smartest decision for the team.
What is the significance of the Bulls' reported reluctance to trade with the Lakers?
-The significance is that it suggests there may be a strategic or personal reason for the Bulls' unwillingness to engage in trades with the Lakers, possibly related to protecting Michael Jordan's legacy.
What is the discussion about the Celtics' performance in the playoffs?
-The discussion revolves around the Celtics' offensive and defensive performance, with a focus on their shooting percentage in game seven and the expectation that their best player, Jayson Tatum, should have an outstanding performance.
What is the expectation for the Celtics in the upcoming finals?
-The expectation is that the Celtics should perform well, with a particular focus on Jayson Tatum stepping up as the star player, and the team maintaining a strong home-court advantage.
What is the general view on the importance of a team's performance leading up to the finals?
-The general view is that while a team's performance throughout the playoffs is important, it's ultimately about advancing to the finals, as demonstrated by the 2008 Boston Celtics' championship run.
Outlines
🏀 Lakers' Coaching Prospects and Media Influence
The paragraph discusses the Los Angeles Lakers' interest in JJ Redick as a potential coach, comparing him to Pat Riley. The conversation highlights the unpredictability of success in coaching, referencing past examples of assistant coaches who did not live up to expectations. It also touches on the media's role in shaping narratives around coaching prospects and the Lakers' strategy, suggesting that hiring someone with media experience like Redick could be more about generating buzz than making a sound decision.
🤔 Lakers' Decision-Making and LeBron's Involvement
This section delves into the Lakers' management strategy, suggesting that they prioritize creating buzz and having a scapegoat in case of failure over making the best decision for the team. It is mentioned that LeBron James is not actively involved in coaching decisions since he felt the team mishandled Ty Lue's potential hiring. The discussion also covers the tenure of Rob Pelinka, the Lakers' general manager, and his ability to keep his job despite the team's coaching changes and lack of success.
📰 Media's Role in Protecting Jordan's Legacy and NBA Trades
The paragraph explores the idea that some factions within the NBA media may be invested in protecting Michael Jordan's legacy, possibly influencing business decisions such as trades. It is suggested that the Chicago Bulls' ownership may be reluctant to trade with the Lakers to prevent LeBron James from overshadowing Jordan's legacy. The conversation also critiques the Lakers' trade strategy, arguing that they are not well-run and that their decisions may not always be in the best interest of the team's success.
🏆 Celtics vs. Pacers: Postseason Performance and Expectations
This section compares the postseason performances of the Boston Celtics and the Indiana Pacers, discussing the quality of their opponents and their respective paths to the finals. The speaker expresses skepticism about the Pacers' chances against the Celtics, despite some suggesting otherwise. The importance of protecting home-court advantage and the potential for an impressive performance from key players like Jayson Tatum are highlighted as factors that could influence the outcome of the series.
🎖 Celtics' Championship Potential and Upcoming Picks
The final paragraph focuses on the Celtics' potential to win the championship, emphasizing that their performance in the playoffs thus far does not necessarily predict their success in the finals. It also mentions the anticipation of revealing playoff picks and teases an upcoming guest, Patrick Mahomes, who might influence the speaker's choice. The paragraph concludes with a playful note about the unpredictability of sports outcomes and the excitement of upcoming games.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Nuggets loss
💡JJ Redick
💡Pat Riley
💡Lakers
💡Coaching Prospect
💡Media and Players
💡Championship Rings
💡LeBron James
💡Cavs
💡Trade
💡Boston Celtics
💡Indiana Pacers
Highlights
The Lakers are reportedly infatuated with JJ Redick, viewing him as a Pat Riley-like coaching prospect.
Discussion on the unpredictability of coaching success, referencing past examples like Darvin Ham and Mark Ivarone.
Debate on the importance of coaching experience, with Pat Riley's history as an example.
JJ Redick's potential as a head coach, considering his on-screen presence and basketball IQ.
The Lakers' strategy for hiring coaches and the role of buzz and scapegoats in their decisions.
LeBron James' lack of involvement in the Lakers' coaching decisions since the Ty Lue situation.
Rob Pelinka's role and effectiveness as the Lakers' general manager.
The challenge of hiring a head coach when established coaches are rarely available.
Sam Cassell as a potential candidate for the Lakers' head coach position.
Reports of teams being reluctant to trade with the Lakers and the potential of bringing back Caruso.
Chicago Bulls' ownership's reluctance to trade and concerns about LeBron's impact on Michael Jordan's legacy.
The importance of protecting home-court advantage in the NBA playoffs.
The Celtics' performance in the playoffs and expectations for the Conference Finals.
The significance of player health, particularly for Kristaps Porzingis, heading into the finals.
Expectations for Jason Tatum's performance in the playoffs.
The impact of the media on NBA business and the protection of Michael Jordan's legacy.
Dan Gilbert's past actions and their potential influence on the Bulls' willingness to trade with the Lakers.
The importance of making smart business decisions in the NBA, regardless of personal sentiments.
Transcripts
live from New York it's the show that
I'll be honest with you is feeling
better about the Nuggets loss oh well
that talk about 36 hours I'm starting to
come around and be myself again it's
first things first today you guys on
some group chat or something we start
with JJ reck Pat Riley 2.0 not
necessarily better just the Next
Generation according to the athletic the
Lakers are quote infatuated of course
they are with the sharp shooting analyst
podcaster and Mero Enthusiast according
to League sources the Lakers are quote
viewing him as a Pat Riley like coaching
Prospect who could help the franchise in
the short term and Lead it for years in
case you're wondering Pat Riley has nine
championship rings Brew your
reaction well look there is absolutely
no way to
know whether or not JJ Reed is going to
be a good coach or anybody for that
matter you could watch the seventh grade
team coaches they they can move the I
mean you could do that there's no way to
know we have seen assistants who have
been I mean heck Darvin ham who I
actually think still did a good job but
he was touted as this assistant who's
been under B buen hoer and he's ready
now and he got fired I remember I don't
know if you guys do Mark ivarone was the
new hotness he was in assistent in
Phoenix when I believe I believe when
Nash and those guys were there but
everybody thought he was going to be the
next great coach fizzled out and then
players in JJ's you know players that
went straight to coaching remember Derek
fiser yeah everybody thought was gonna
be great now granted he didn't have a
great situation in New York but still he
failed Miser how about Steve Nash who
would not have looked at Steve Nash's
career the way he played and thought he
he'll be a good coach especially when
the two stars won
so you never thought he'd be no I
thought I thought giving someone a head
coaching job with no coaching experience
happed though I know I I thought it was
I guess what I'm saying is with Nash I
was very skeptical from the beginning
but I understand what you're saying but
go ahead bird it worked with Larry Bird
it worked with Mark Jackson to a degree
it worked with Steve KK so it it has
worked but my point is you just you have
no you don't know all right we don't
know if they hire I think they should
hire Sam Cassel of their guys that
they're looking at M I can't guarantee
he'd be great but I just think from his
experience and he was a leader as a
player but JJ the difference is JJ's
been able to be on TV and he look I will
admit he looks and sounds the part he
sounds very intelligent talking to
basketball and I'm sure he knows the
game I think also he seems to have a
strong personality which you need as a
head coach and I think the Lakers are
looking at it when they bring up the
whole Pat Riley thing my guess
is that they feel like well and he's got
CR cuz he's on the podcast with LeBron
so the players will respect him and so I
I no I I don't know what what in the
world could make you think he can be a
Pat Riley well I mean of well certainly
nothing can make you think he can be a
Pat Riley except it's a good headline in
the Lakers operate business to generate
headlines oh uh first first of all again
I know you hate when I do I apologize a
very brief history lesson which is Pat
Riley was an assistant for a full year
then was an assistant coach magic P
pushes West fall out and at the press
conference Jerry bus tried to make Jerry
West the coach at the press conference
said Jerry West is our new coach and at
the press conference Jerry West said no
I'm not and he was like ah yikes I maybe
should have run it by him he's like all
right you'll be the offensive assistant
Andy
right before he became the head coach
well he wasn't but he was assistant
coach I mean he was an announcer with
the team and and then he was an
assistant coach for a full year and then
they only he only became the head coach
because of the press conference to
announce Jerry West Jerry West said no
and then he had Jerry West alongside him
you know for that first year on the
bench okay and then he became Pat R to
your point right you nobody would ever
predict that he would have become and it
was not their plan and he had experience
so you're right Brew Kerr had no
experience but Kerr did run a team he he
you and I probably have slightly
different opinions on how good of a job
Mark Jackson did but I think everyone
knows he did at least a good job and he
didn't have experience that to me was an
outlier a bit and surprising bird is the
best but bird also did it for a very
limited amount of time and then you know
seemingly you know went away forever
into the Shadows point is this the
Lakers want buzz and they want to be
able to have someone to blame if it
doesn't work Rob binka so you think
that'll be JJ R like he's gonna get
blamed if it doesn't work no I think
LeBron will get blamed if JJ doesn't
work because they will see guys what did
you want from us he's a free agent we
we've got to make him happy even though
I am here to tell you and I do not do
reporting Brew used to be a reporter I
don't want to say that sounded wrong
Brew used to be a full-time reporter now
occasionally actually reports I almost
never do but I can report this LeBron
has not said a word about this to the
team LeBron stopped being involved in
any coaching stuff with the Lakers after
they in my opinion screwed him on tyoo
they could have had tyo tyo wanted the
job they gave him an insultingly low
offer and since then LeBron has stayed
out of it so how did how does that work
how does what work the Lakers don't
shoot LeBron a text they're in Comm rich
is communicating when he's going to a
Cavs game you're interviewing coaches
and LeBron tells them LeBron's out
LeBron and you guys do what you want to
do and then they they kind of try to
guess but that's not idea impress LeBron
I mean really I think that's how it's
working but this is the the Lakers
listen Rob binka has been very very very
good at one thing keeping his job he he
he he's good enough at it that Magic
Johnson the greatest Laker of all time
with respect to Kobe at least it's my
opinion certainly is on the short list
there's a statue of magic in front of
the arena and before the Lakers had won
a title with LeBron before pinka tenure
at any type of success magic went on TV
and said yeah I mean this guy backstabs
me all the time and all Pink's done is
succeed since then he hired and fired
Frank Bogle he hired and fired Darin ham
and now he's going to get to pick a
third coach in a seven-year run and I it
is to me they the and I I agree with you
brew I don't know if JJ would be good or
bad there's no way to no because there's
no resume of it there are parts of his
basketball IQ I really like there are
parts of his personality that I think
could be problematic for an NBA head
coach in dealing with the media and
dealing with his players but we'll I I
will be open-minded about it I just
don't think they are making the decision
based on what is the smartest decision I
what is the SM is there what's the
smartest decision though I don't see
something out there like that's even a
few guys that's the one they should look
I think the smartest would be Sam Cassel
like I said there's no guarantee there
it's just like this is a job that is for
a firsttime head coach to have this
job jameso who I thought did a decent
job in Charlotte with no talent and his
firing was weird they fired him after
his most successful season they could go
with the more standard route which is
produce some good coaches and some guys
that don't work out which is pluck off
the Nugget staff and Dave Adelman they
could do that a young guy if he could
coach like his dad he could be good M
Nori M Nory would be those that's kind
of the standard you know what I mean but
that doesn't generate Buzz so that's
what I was Wonder and that doesn't
generate an easy scapegoat in Lebron is
Sam Cassell who I like Sam casselle I'd
like him for a few jobs but is he not
like quotequote a sex enough name for
the Lakers
Buzz I I think he's sexy enough you're
right they like buzz I mean he was much
better than JJ reick as a player I know
he's not on television doing and and I
don't know if they want to blame LeBron
I mean they gonna better about to give
him a three-year Max contract extension
I mean but don't you think don't you
think an added benefit because I think
we all agree there isn't a no-brainer
the problem with hiring head coaches is
great established ones are almost never
available unless they have just failed
at the most recent moment which is why
they're available and everyone else is a
firsttime guy that you are taking a
Chance on So this has the added benefit
of it is not going you're going to be
able to put someone else's fingerprints
on it if it doesn't work out I mean I I
truly believe that's part of the math
here that can't I mean so you're going
into a hire planning for it not to work
out at least that's a large part of your
thinking that's ridiculous I do think
the Lakers aren't well run nowadays
they're a mom and pop shop and they
aren't well run and if that's part of
their thinking ridic L Kurt rambus but
if they the question is this Wilds do
people operate as if the number one job
they have is to succeed at the job or
the number one job they have is to keep
the job and if people are operating and
a lot of people do across Industries my
number one job is to keep the job then
you don't always make optimal decisions
okay well think you really put that on
me I don't no that's not you buddy
you're no I think you trying to do a
great job every single tiger out man I'm
I got to go for it I got to go all right
ask for the Lakers roster well there's
two reports that teams are in no rush to
help the lake show another report from
buha in the Athletics said the Cavs Dan
Gilbert quote would never trade Donovan
Mitchell to the Lakers come on
all right how about bringing Caruso back
from the Bulls well Bleacher Reports
Eric pinkis says not only are the Bulls
just reluctant to trade in general but
Chicago's ownership doesn't want
LeBron and I had to listen to this twice
it it was a podcast so it wasn't like a
report report but doesn't want LeBron
quote infringing on Michael's Legacy
yeah was that like a a speculation kind
of just it was a little bit of a chat
but if you get Caruso all the difference
between Michael
about to get him two championship for
whatever it's worth Eric pinkis is not
like a flamethrower if people aren't
familiar with him he's not a
flamethrower or a take guy he kind of
but it was just it wasn't like here's my
report it was a podcast he was he was
musing publicly if you will um here's
the thing it a huge portion of the NBA
media business is about protecting
Michael Jordan so it wouldn't shock me
if some of the NBA's actual business
that's not about
Brew
face I disagree true I disagree I think
that people would say that's half the
the New Media protects
the
just and you want to know something
thinkers out there calling like I think
there are some you're right and I agree
with you that there is some factions of
the media that are invested in
protecting LeBron and I would imagine
you would agree with me there are some
factions of the media that are invested
in protecting Michael Jordan it's just
my opinion maybe he hangs out with them
in Sky boxes or not and maybe he's he's
all of a sudden a huge part of the
Nostalgia of how they came up in the
media resports reporting World maybe
they're all Chicago based I don't know
it's just how I've consumed basketball
my whole life I what you're talking
about now just okay that's the
audience to the point that I was trying
to
make would be an absurd way for a team
to operate it wouldn't surprise me
because I think Dan Gilbert's a bit of a
spiteful guy for the Bulls you I would
think the Lakers would be the team one
of the teams I would most want to do
business with because I don't think they
win most trades I don't think they're
you know it's people used say like ah
you don't want to do business with prey
because he always wins the trade also
they're an aging team that has an
uncertain future so they you know future
Laker picks are more valuable to me than
future Spurs picks for instance
certainly you know what I mean because
LeBron's going to be 40 so it would just
be a poor way to run your team if it's
true no it's ridiculous I mean it it
it's just bad business I mean a and
they're in another conference all right
I get it if they're in your Division and
you might not want to strengthen them
but a team in another conference if they
offer you the best deal if you feel like
you got better by trading with the
Lakers do it I'm not saying you have to
want to trade with them but your
standard mode of operation can't be I
will not trade with that team on the
whole other side of the country because
of LeBron or whatever so I think that
would be bad business and to Dan Gilbert
Dan Gilbert should be thanking God that
LeBron found forgiveness in his heart
yeah right that that he that ridiculous
letter that Dan Gilbert wrote call him a
coward among other things he should be
thankful LeBron forgave him and went
back to Cleveland I know he didn't do it
just for Dan Gilbert necessarily but he
still went there in spite of Dan Gilbert
and won them their only Championship
that that probably Dan Gilbert will ever
see all right so he shouldn't he should
not have any spite about LeBron James at
all and then Ry dorf that I mean look
protecting I I don't that doesn't I
don't know why he do that okay well I
mean I have some ideas but go ahead he
don't need protect is okay here's the
tale of the tape this postseason Indiana
is better on offense defensively however
uh Celtics have got it Josh are these
numbers a little bit cooked because they
shot 68% in game seven thumbs up or
thumbs down it's a well I mean well I
mean they're not cooked because of that
well I'm just saying with this said well
you know I mean I mean that's 12th of
their postseason thus far and wouldn't
you admit I mean with all due respect
it's a strange graphic why because it's
post they're playing different opponents
well like it should be regular season
well the
regular face it you know what I like you
could face a team that get
plays you you you face a team that plays
fast and scores a lot your defensive
rating probably won't be as well the
pace is that's why you use rating
instead of points per game because it's
adjusted for Pace but I do think quality
of the opponent for sure but I I
wouldn't argue the Celtics have been out
you're playing World beaters this
postseason Brew I think the Pacers path
has been harder than the Celtics path
and so the Celtics leading in because
they're not that right the now with that
said you you can go I mean I don't I
there to me I've seen brew a lot of
people that I and I'm not trying to take
shots at other media today but I guess I
will a lot of people that I respect and
like trying to convince me the Pacers
have a chance in this series I'm
unconvinced I don't think the Pacers
have a chance in this series and so I'll
let you no I I don't think anybody
thinks they can win outside of
Indianapolis I I'm saying because I'm I
know I'm not that trustworthy on the
Celtics I'm saying Celtics in six now
what would impr surp what would impress
me you said it yesterday Jason Tatum
plays lights out he shot 41% from the
field in the playoffs so let's see him
shoot 49% 48% 50 plus that will impress
me he's only averag 21 points a game
he's their best player he's got to be
playing great going into the finals I
would think second thing that would
impress me obviously you want to see
Chris STS porzingis be able to hopefully
after game two right the reports are
he'll be out the first two games at
least so you want him to be healthy
going into the finals I'm talking about
for the sake of NBA fans like you want
Chris stat porzingis and the Celtics at
full strength the third thing Nick I
want to see from the Celtics no home
losses can we do that that's weird you
played
with some injury depleted teams that
aren't that good in the first place and
you've lost to each of them on your home
floor dates back to last year they were
losing they're 15 and 14 at home in the
playoffs the last don't ask Joe moula
about it he gets very mad he was like oh
I bet you didn't know we have third best
home record this playoffs I surprised
you doesn't it buddy he got very upset
it's crazy yeah so so protect the home
court um look I you'd love if you're a
Pacer or Celtics fan to see them just
blast the Pacers sweep them blow them
out and then you might think okay this
is going to be a great finals let me say
this I will say this it really doesn't
matter how you look until you get to the
finals okay because the last time Boston
won a championship in 2008 the Atlanta
Hawks took him seven then they went
seven in the second round then they went
six in the Conference Finals and six in
the finals that was Garnett Ray Allen
and Paul Pierce and they won it so you
can look bad throughout the players it's
about Advan in so even if they advance
in seven you can't completely write them
off I've got a graphic for you that
you're going to like oh Tatum the
regular season against the P I'm I'm
sorry I know I hurt your feelings on
that graphic it's Josh man I'm trying
I'm trying to be Josh Josh is scow is
fired up he got hooked a few times this
uh tat ver so he shoots 58% against the
Pacers let's say not tenacious defense
and 33 points a game I'm going to round
up so I'd like to see a monstrous
performance from Jason this is his
playoffs it's not Anthony Edward's
playoffs it's not Lucas's playoffs it's
not Halle Burton's playoffs this should
be Tatum's playoffs he is in the
driver's seat here the idea that Anthony
Edwards and Luca and Cat to some extent
and Rudy goar's getting some flowers now
Tatum should be like this is my playoffs
I'm the only guys to the finals this is
my time that sounds like a team that you
should believe even to win the
championship so now Kevin wild I ask
this a little bonus because you're CH
you are right now you know a champion
Widow you're you're your your Champion's
gone and forgotten team I'm I'm almost
ready almost ready what is what do you
have what is he oh no I'm not holding
that up you're not gonna oh wow at some
point this week
I will
reveal the playoff start tonight yeah or
not the Conference Finals start you
picked the Nuggets to win the
championship and then the playoffs
started and you picked the Wolves right
but but it was before each series yes
before a series you can't M series I
mean Nick did M series maybe I'm May
it's not coming out I'm sorry is the
Western Conference Series start
tonight okay all right I'm also willing
to be woo
fans is there can I see is there
something in there yes may I see it all
four teams to be honest with you well I
never know you know if the mood stries
wait is there really all four all four
oh I saw a Celtics logo but there is all
four all four look at that Jim Chris wow
what are you doing there is all okay so
at some point this week you're going to
unveil your pick at some point I want to
be woed by this week or within the next
week for the can tweet you you want you
want tweet I'd like to be wooed and I
both made our official one post round
one Brew had the Timberwolves I had the
the maps you know what what I'm going to
give a little teas we're gonna have
Patrick Mahomes on the show tomorrow at
4:00 yeah I might ask Patrick what he
because last time I went with Patrick
going to pick the maps don't you don't
know what he's going to do I I do well
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