Hear what Donald Trump's niece says keeps him up at night over legal cases

Former President Trump reportedly

has an old friend in town next week.

He's Hungary's right wing

prime minister, Viktor Orban,

who has turned his country

into the definition

of an illiberal democracy.

Orban is said to be en route

for a private meeting

at Trump's Florida club,

and they'll have plenty to agree on.

Like their affinity for President

Vladimir Putin of Russia,

who Orban has courted publicly and Trump

has praised for his, quote,

strong control over Russia.

How will authoritarianism

and Trump's admiration

for these so-called strongmen

play with voters in November?

Let's bring in the former

president's niece,

who also happens

to be a clinical psychologist.

Mary Trump, welcome back to the program.

So let's start by asking you

that question.

Have you ever been surprised

or is it true to type that your uncle

showed such an affinity

for people like Orban, O.G.

or Putin or even,

you know,

Kim Jong un of North Korea, who we went,

you know, miles and miles over to Asia

to actually meet a couple of times?

No, actually,

one of the things that should worry

everybody about Donald

is that he has never evolved

beyond the kind of person

he was when he was very young.

And it's not at all surprising

because he grew up

in an authority driven household

and because of the way

my grandfather, who was a

quite straight up sociopath,

was the Donald became the favorite son

and he knew what he needed to do

in order

to stay on my grandfather's good side,

because he also understood

what would happen to him if he didn't.

So he's very comfortable in this milieu

and it is extremely important to him

that he get the benefit of associating

with strongmen like Orban and Putin,

but also that he be on their good side.

You know, that's really interesting,

the way you frame it, the good side,

the fact that as a boy,

he wanted to please his father.

Let me play for you

something that a contemporary of his

when he was in office,

The Australian prime minister

said recently about him and Putin.

I mean, I've been with Trump and Putin.

Trump is in awe of Putin.

He's when you see Trump with Putin,

as I have on a few occasions,

he's like the 12 year old boy

that goes to high school

and meets the captain

of the football team,

my hero.

It is really creepy.

So, you know,

that was done in that context.

It was a lot of yak yak.

But I'm really stunned by

how what you said

and I didn't know

what you were going to say

about his childhood

matched exactly

what a former prime

minister of Australia witnessed.

Yeah,

And I think

what's important

to know that

most people certainly wouldn't

and it is really no

laughing matter

when at that point

the leader of the free world

is being described

as a pre-pubescent child

with a crush on an older,

more powerful person

is what the consequences are.

It's not simply that Donald knew

that by fulfilling his father's demands

to be the quote unquote killer,

to be the successful one.

It was understanding

what would happen to him

if he fell to do those things

because he had an object lesson

in my father,

who was quite literally destroyed

by his inability to fill the role.

My grandfather required of him.

Is so many layers to this.

So can I ask you then again,

this leads from what you've just said.

You know,

he absolutely has

an obsession with success.

So what do you think it means to him?

What keeps him up at night,

for instance, about the latest

one of the latest legal rulings

which said that

he had to pay something

like half a billion dollars

in this in this money business case

in New York.

Yeah, well, there are a few things.

And first of all,

I think it's really important to clarify.

It's not that he be

successful, it's

that he be seen to be successful

because deep down,

Donald knows

that he is nothing

of what he pretends to be.

He's nothing like the portrait

he shows to the world,

at least to those people

who are inclined to believe

the myths he tells about himself. Right.

So I think what keeps him up at night,

other than a lot of Diet

Coke, would be this concern, one

that he doesn't

actually have the money,

which is a distinct possibility.

You know, we could say that this

offer to come up with only $100

million was a ploy to buy more time

or to see if it would work.

But he may not indeed have that much cash

would reveal not just to the world,

but to himself,

that he is not

as rich as he claims to be.

He is not the savvy businessman

who's been betrayed

in New York tabloids since the 1980s.

And that would be a crushing blow

not just to his image, but

to his sense of himself measure.

I want to ask you,

because you openly admit

that you haven't actually spoken to him

for all these reasons,

because you disagree with him in this

since 2017.

But let's just go back to 2015

when he came down

the escalator with Melania in that whole,

you know,

choreographed announcement of candidacy.

When you see that and those pictures

and you fast forward to those now

and him back on the campaign trail,

do you see anything's change?

Do you see do you see anything different?

Yeah.

Listen,

I think for anybody in his position,

it would be impossible

not to be affected by the massive amounts

of stress he's under the the conflicts,

just the stress of running again,

the stress of having lost.

I you know, it's it's

going to take its toll.

I see somebody who's quite desperate

and who is terrified.

I think deep down,

Donald has always been

a terrified little boy.

But the truth is he has much,

much more to be terrified about now.

His entire future hinges on his ability

to get back into the White House.

And despite the fact

that there are plenty of people

helping him out, including,

it would appear,

some members of the Supreme Court,

that is not something

that he can totally count on.

So he's going it's

going to impact his ability

to think straight, to express himself.

We've seen in the last decade

or so the difference in how he performs

during depositions, for example,

he appears to have much less

impulse control and he appears to have

a much lessened ability

to be coherent for any length of time.

So, yes,

I do see differences,

and I think we can put that down

to the fact

that his life is just a constant stress.

Mary Trump, thank you very much indeed.