Piers Morgan vs Ben Shapiro | On Israel-Hamas, Candace Owens And More

Piers Morgan Uncensored
26 Mar 202428:54

Summary

TLDRThe transcript discusses a variety of topics including Donald Trump's statements on the Israel-Gaza conflict, the international response to the situation, and the political dynamics within Israel. It also touches on the recent UN Security Council resolution calling for a ceasefire, the role of the Biden administration, and the impact on Israeli politics. Additionally, the conversation includes a critique of certain public figures and their actions, as well as broader issues such as the state of American infrastructure, the opioid crisis, and the upcoming US elections, with a particular focus on the potential return of Donald Trump to the White House.

Takeaways

  • 🤝 The fundraiser co-hosted by Ben Shapiro and former President Donald Trump focused on the need for Israel to expedite the resolution of its conflict with Hamas.
  • 🕊️ Trump's call for Israel to 'finish up the war' suggests a need for a swift conclusion to the ongoing conflict, emphasizing the waning international support for prolonged engagements.
  • 💭 There is disagreement over whether Trump's statement implied support for Israel to eliminate Hamas entirely or to seek peace immediately.
  • 🗳️ Israeli public opinion is divided on Netanyahu's leadership, with a desire for new elections but not during the current conflict.
  • 🚨 The UN Security Council's demand for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza highlights the increasing international pressure on Israel.
  • 🇺🇸 The Biden administration's relationship with Netanyahu has deteriorated due to the rising Palestinian death toll, with the US abstaining from vetoing a UN resolution.
  • 🎥 Candace Owens' departure from the Daily Wire has sparked discussions on free speech and the platform's responsibility towards its hosts.
  • 📢 Shapiro emphasizes the Daily Wire's stance as a publisher, not a platform, and its right to choose content and hosts.
  • 🕌 The discussion touched on the role of the Israeli government in determining its strategic moves against Hamas, including the consideration of civilian casualties.
  • 🔥 The conversation also included a critique of certain individuals and groups spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation, particularly in the online sphere.
  • 🌉 The collapse of a bridge in Baltimore was mentioned as an example of potential infrastructure issues in the United States, though the exact cause remains under investigation.

Q & A

  • What was the main point President Trump emphasized regarding the conflict between Israel and Hamas?

    -President Trump emphasized the need for Israel to expedite the conclusion of the conflict, highlighting that the world's attention span is limited and that Israel risks losing international support the longer the conflict continues.

  • What is the public opinion in Israel regarding the handling of the conflict by the current government?

    -There is broad public support in Israel for military action against Hamas, including the possibility of entering Rafah, despite the potential for civilian casualties and international pressure.

  • What has been the United States' stance on the conflict according to the transcript?

    -The United States under President Biden initially pushed for a ceasefire with conditions, including the release of hostages, tied to Hamas. However, the U.S. later abstained from vetoing a UN resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire, indicating a shift in stance.

  • What is the significance of the comment made by Rabbi Schmu about Candace Owens?

    -Rabbi Schmu's comment, which involved dressing up and mocking Candace Owens, was seen as highly inappropriate and a desecration of God's name, reflecting a lack of sensitivity towards the Jewish community and anti-Semitism.

  • What was the reported reason for Candace Owens' departure from the Daily Wire?

    -Although the exact reason for Candace Owens' departure from the Daily Wire is not explicitly stated in the transcript, it was widely reported that her comments were perceived by some at the Daily Wire as anti-Semitic, which may have contributed to her leaving.

  • What is the speaker's view on the situation at the southern border of the United States in relation to the fentanyl crisis?

    -The speaker believes that the southern border is a significant factor in the fentanyl crisis, with drug cartels using illegal immigration as a misdirect to smuggle fentanyl into the country. The speaker suggests that stronger policies and actions against drug dealers, increased border control, and international pressure on China and Mexico are necessary to address the issue.

  • What does the speaker suggest as a solution to the fentanyl crisis in the United States?

    -The speaker suggests that state-level laws should allow for the prosecution of drug dealers for homicide when their products result in fentanyl poisoning. Additionally, the speaker calls for stronger border control, economic pressure on China to stop the shipment of fentanyl precursors, and action against the Mexican government to combat the power of drug cartels.

  • What is the speaker's stance on gun control and its comparison to the regulation of fentanyl?

    -The speaker distinguishes between gun control and fentanyl regulation by noting that there is a constitutional right to bear arms in the United States, whereas there is no right to ingest or distribute fentanyl. The speaker also suggests that solutions to prevent fentanyl distribution could be more impactful than many proposed gun regulations.

  • What are the speaker's thoughts on the potential for Donald Trump to be elected president again?

    -The speaker believes that if the 2024 election becomes a referendum on Joe Biden's presidency, Donald Trump could be elected again, as the speaker perceives Biden's administration to be facing systemic challenges that are difficult to overcome.

  • What advice would the speaker give to Donald Trump if he were to run for president again?

    -The speaker would advise Trump to focus on unifying rhetoric, reduce the freneticism, and pursue policies that allow Americans to feel stable and return to a sense of normalcy.

Outlines

00:00

🔍 Analyzing Trump's Remarks on Israel-Hamas Conflict

The discussion starts with pondering Donald Trump's advice for Israel to 'finish up the war,' questioning whether he meant a full military conquest over Hamas or a push towards peace. The conversation then shifts to the political landscape in Israel, touching on public sentiment towards Prime Minister Netanyahu and the frequency of elections in the country. The narrative delves into the intricate dynamics of Israeli politics, public opinion on warfare, and international relations, particularly the U.S.'s stance and its impact on Israel's actions. The dialog reflects on the balance between military actions and the quest for peace, Israeli public opinion, and the geopolitical implications of the ongoing conflict.

05:00

📈 Political Dynamics and Civilian Impact in the Israel-Hamas Conflict

This segment discusses the contrast in objectives between Israel and Hamas, particularly in terms of civilian casualties, and scrutinizes the shifting U.S. policy under President Biden, highlighting the implications of a U.S. abstention in a UN resolution. It examines the broad support across the Israeli political spectrum for military action in Gaza, the electoral politics in Israel, and the strategic considerations behind military operations in conflict zones. The conversation also explores the complexities of achieving peace and security in the region, considering the deeply entrenched hostilities and the international community's reaction.

10:01

🌍 Geo-Political Tensions and Media Dynamics

The dialogue here extends to the broader geopolitical landscape, including the potential repercussions of a hypothetical Russian response to terrorism similar to Israel's actions in Gaza. It also delves into the challenges of disinformation and media responsibility in shaping public opinion and political discourse. The discussion touches on high-profile media interactions, including the dynamics of free speech within private companies and the controversial actions of public figures, illustrating the intricate relationship between media, politics, and public perception in times of conflict.

15:02

🚢 Infrastructure Concerns and American Politics

This part of the conversation addresses an incident of infrastructure failure in Baltimore, leading to a broader discussion on America's infrastructure state and the political implications therein. The segment transitions into American domestic politics, focusing on the opioid crisis, specifically the fentanyl epidemic, its causes, and the governmental response. The narrative then shifts to the political arena, discussing the potential of Donald Trump's re-election and its consequences on American policies and societal stability.

20:02

🇺🇸 U.S. Political Landscape and Election Prospects

The final segment provides an analysis of the U.S. political climate, focusing on the electoral prospects of Donald Trump and Joe Biden. It discusses the dynamics of party support, public opinion, and the strategic considerations of electoral politics. The narrative encapsulates the contentious nature of American politics, the challenges facing each candidate, and the broader implications of the upcoming presidential election on national policies and international relations.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Fundraiser

A fundraiser is an event or activity that is organized to collect funds for a specific cause or purpose. In the context of the video, the fundraiser is being co-hosted for Donald Trump, indicating a political event aimed at raising financial support for his campaign or initiatives.

💡Peace

Peace refers to the absence of conflict and the presence of harmony or unity. In the video, the concept of peace is discussed in relation to the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, with the suggestion that efforts should be made to find a peaceful resolution.

💡International Support

International support refers to the backing or assistance provided by countries around the world for a particular cause, country, or issue. In the video, the speaker mentions that Israel is losing international support due to its ongoing conflict with Hamas, highlighting the importance of global opinion in international relations.

💡Ceasefire

A ceasefire is an agreement between warring parties to stop fighting for a certain time, usually to allow for negotiations or to de-escalate a conflict. In the video, the UN Security Council is demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, indicating the international community's desire to see an end to the hostilities between Israel and Hamas.

💡Public Opinion

Public opinion refers to the collective views and attitudes of the general population towards a particular issue or event. In the video, the speaker discusses the public opinion in Israel regarding the conflict with Hamas and the potential for new elections, highlighting the influence of public sentiment on political decision-making.

💡Strategic Military Operations

Strategic military operations refer to planned and coordinated actions by a nation's armed forces to achieve specific objectives during a conflict or war. In the video, the speaker talks about Israel's strategy in considering a full assault on Rafah, weighing the potential outcomes and international response.

💡Civilian Casualties

Civilian casualties refer to the unintentional harm or death of non-combatants during a military operation or conflict. In the video, the speaker expresses concern about the potential for high civilian casualties if Israel were to launch a full assault on Rafah, highlighting the moral and humanitarian considerations in military strategy.

💡Political Manipulation

Political manipulation refers to the tactics used by politicians or political entities to influence public opinion or decision-making for their own advantage. In the video, the speaker suggests that some members of the Democratic party in the United States are critical of Israel's government and are using this criticism for political gain.

💡Free Speech

Free speech is the right to express one's opinions publicly without fear of censorship or punishment. In the video, the speaker discusses the concept of free speech in the context of a company's obligations to its employees and the broader debate about content moderation on platforms.

💡Election

An election is a formal decision-making process by which a population chooses its leaders or representatives. In the video, the speaker comments on the frequency of elections in Israel and the public's desire for a new election, despite the recent history of multiple elections.

Highlights

Discussion on Donald Trump's statement about Israel needing to 'finish up the war' with Hamas.

Misinterpretation of Trump's statement and its implications on international support for Israel.

The complexity of Israeli politics and the public's desire for a new election, despite recent frequent elections.

Analysis of the international community's response to the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

Debate on the strategy of a full assault on Rafa and the potential consequences for civilian casualties.

The breakdown of President Biden's relationship with Prime Minister Netanyahu and its impact on Israel's international standing.

The importance of public support in Israel for military operations and its influence on government decisions.

Discussion on the end game strategy for Israel in its conflict with Hamas and the potential outcomes.

The role of the media and misinformation in shaping public opinion on international events.

The situation with Candace Owens and her departure from Daily Wire, highlighting the complexities of free speech and company policies.

The impact of Rabbi Schmu's actions and the controversy surrounding his behavior and public image.

Comparison of international responses to terror attacks, specifically between Russia and Israel.

The spread of conspiracy theories and misinformation, particularly in the online world.

The importance of engaging with reality and seeking truth in the face of online conspiracies and disinformation.

The potential consequences of the fentanyl crisis in America and the need for more regulation and control.

The connection between the southern border and the fentanyl epidemic, highlighting the role of drug cartels.

Recommendations for the Biden administration to address the fentanyl crisis, including border control and international pressure.

The upcoming American election and the potential impact of the current political climate on the outcome.

The possibility of Donald Trump's return to the White House and the implications for America's future.

Advice for Trump if he were to return to office, focusing on unifying rhetoric and a sense of stability.

Transcripts

00:01

you're going to co-host a fundraiser for

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Donald Trump yesterday Trump said this

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you have to finish up your War you have

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to finish it up you got to get it done

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did he mean Israel should be able to

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continue to try and eliminate all of

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Hamas or did he mean they should bring

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things to an end now and they should now

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move to try and find peace the world

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does not seem to have the attention span

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to maintain any level of support for

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anyone whether you're talking about

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Ukraine or whether you're talking about

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Israel for a prolonged period of time in

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a war against a ter enemy and so when

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President Trump says something like you

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need to finish this up I think that he's

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speaking a baseline truth there a

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majority of people in Israel want to get

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rid of Netanyahu but the polls show is

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that Israelis would love to have another

00:42

election but they've had five elections

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in four years it's it's always sort of

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weird when people talk about Israel

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needs a new election they have more new

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elections than Taylor Swift has outfit

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changes during one of her concerts I am

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dressed up as a c ens what is your

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reaction to that clip I mean the phrase

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in Hebrew is that's what we would call a

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hash right it's a it's a desecration of

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God's name do you think he should be

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given air time anymore that sort of

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behavior is is disgusting in any context

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frankly I don't know an orthodox Jew who

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feels differently about that not one and

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dis who's now left daily wire was she

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fired or did she leave of her own bition

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as far as the Free Speech situation what

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I will say is that no company has the

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obligation to literally pay

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anyone the UN Security Council is

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demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza

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after the US failed to veto his

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resolution leaving Israel increasingly

01:35

isolated on the world stage President

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Biden's relationship with prime minister

01:38

Netanyahu has collapsed over the rising

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Palestinian death toll now Donald Trump

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has warned it's time for Israel to

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finish up the war as it hemorrhages

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international support So can and should

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Israel press on alone to discuss this

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and much more I'm joined by the daily

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wies editor Emeritus and host of The

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Divided states of Biden on daily y plus

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Ben shapira Ben great to see you

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hey good to see you pierce how are you

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you know hanging in how are you awful

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wonder how many people ask you that

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question yeah I don't get that too much

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so I was kind of surprised by the

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question

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honestly I'm gonna come to uh some stuff

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that's involved you recently but let's

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start with Israel um you're going to

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co-host a fundraiser for Donald Trump

02:22

yesterday Trump said

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this that being said you have to finish

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up your War finish it up you got to get

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it done and uh I'm sure you'll do that

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and we got to get to peace you can't

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have this going on uh and I will say

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Israel has to be very careful because

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you're losing a lot of the world you're

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losing a lot of support but you have to

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finish up you have to get the job done

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and you have to get on to peace what did

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you make of what he said there there's

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been a bit of disagreement about what he

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intended to mean did he mean Israel

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should be able to continue to try and

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eliminate all of Hamas whatever it takes

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to finish that job or did he mean they

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should they should bring things to an

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end now they've done enough and they

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should now move to try and find peace so

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I actually did host co-host a fundraiser

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with President Trump last week and we

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did briefly speak about this topic my

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impression is that President Trump is

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saying what is certainly true here which

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is that the the clock has been ticking

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on Israel literally since October 7th in

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terms of finishing up its operation the

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world does not seem to have the

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attention span to maintain any level of

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support for anyone whether you're

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talking about Ukraine where you're

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talking about Israel for a prolonged

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period of time in a war against a

03:33

terrible enemy and so when President

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Trump says something like you need to

03:37

finish this up I think that he's

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speaking a baseline truth there which is

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that Israel does need to hurry and and

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finish this up and frankly they should

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have been moving faster in the first

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place I think it's more of a PR Point

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than it is an idea that Israel should

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should stop for example by by not going

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into Rafa I I don't think that's what

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president Trump is saying there do you

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feel comfortable but we talked about

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this war a lot do you feel comfortable

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about a Full Assault on Rafa if 1 and a

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half million people remain in that

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vicinity including majority women and

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children because it would obviously be

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in that instance devastating in terms of

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Civilian casualties and would pour even

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more pressure on Israel and lose them

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even more support I mean do do you think

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this is the right

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strategy well I think that Israel is is

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pretty United in its belief that it is

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and Israel I think is best positioned to

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adjudicate its own interests when it

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comes to things like like you're talking

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about whether it's international support

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or the future of of the Gaza Strip my

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understanding is from from all of the

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public discussions that have been

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happening that there's significant

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discussion about how to try to move

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civilians out of the way one of the big

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problems has been that Egypt won't open

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the gate even temporarily to allow

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enough civilians outside of Rafa so that

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Israel can perform operations inside of

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Rafa apparently there are four Hamas

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battalions that are currently located

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inside of Rafa I'm sure that if the

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United States are the International

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Community could offer Israel some sort

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of Harry Potter spell to disappear all

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of the Kamas terrorists inside I'm sure

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Israel would take it the last thing

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Israel wants to do is maximize civilian

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casualties what's been perfectly obvious

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is that Hamas has precisely the opposite

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view they would love to maximize

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civilian casualties because the the

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increasing civilian death toll as you've

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pointed out has been the single Factor

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that's been leading to increased

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pressure on Israel to leave Hamas alone

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what do you make of Biden uh really

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turning on Netanyahu I mean this this

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decision not to veto this resolution is

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the latest escalation really in the

05:29

American Administration under Biden

05:31

reigning back its support of Israel how

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significant is that and what do you

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think about Biden doing this I mean

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obviously I think that he's morally

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wrong to to abstain from a resolution

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that seems to disconnect the hostage

05:44

situation from the ceasefire all of the

05:45

versions the United States had been

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pushing prior suggested that in order

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for a ceasefire to be called for or

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attained there had to be a release of

05:52

the hostages this particular version of

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the UN resolution sort of separates off

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the two issues doesn't mention Hamas

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doesn't mention October 7th that's

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that's the point of contention with with

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regard to the UN Security Council

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resolution the United States abstained

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from as far as the sort of increased

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pressure that that Biden or Chuck

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Schumer the Senate Majority Leader here

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have been putting on the Netanyahu

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Administration frankly I think it's it's

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political dishonesty I think that there

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there are a lot of members of the

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democratic party who are very critical

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of Israel's government full scale

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they're trying to put it on Netanyahu

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because they realize that a lot of the

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sort of liberal Jewish base in the

06:20

United States that votes Democrat

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supports Israel but also doesn't like

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Netanyahu very much but they're ignoring

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the central reality in Israel which is

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that there is fullscale public support

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for going into Rafa from right left and

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center the current government of the

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state of Israel is a war cabinet

06:33

including the chief rival to Benjamin

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Netanyahu benians who just vote who just

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visited the United States and in fact

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was treated to much of the same language

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by the Biden Administration to so to

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suggest that it's sort of netanyahu's

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own political domestic manipulations

06:45

leading to his desire to go into Rafa

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Netanyahu is in fact correct when he

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suggest that there is Broad public

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support for going into Rafa and in fact

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if the current War cabinet does not go

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into Rafa there's a very solid chance

06:56

that the government of Israel Falls in

06:57

their new elections I mean that is true

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about the support definitely but it's

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also true that a majority of people in

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Israel want to get rid of Netanyahu so

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this is a support for but not during but

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not during not during the actual

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conflict right what the polls show is

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that Israelis would love to have another

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election but not right at the moment

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meaning that they've had five elections

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in four years it's it's always sort of

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weird when people talk about Israel

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needs a new election they have more new

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elections than Taylor Swift has outfit

07:23

changes during one of our concerts it's

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not as though there's a lack of

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Elections I do find it sort of strange

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that there's always a call for new

07:29

elections in Israel which again has many

07:31

many elections I have yet to hear for a

07:32

call for elections in say the West Bank

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or Gaza Strip where there has not been

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an election since 2005 and there's a

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reason for that and the reason for that

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is because everybody understands if

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there were an election in the Gaza

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stripper West Bank Kamas would actually

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win what I don't understand about

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Israel's strategy is how they perceive

07:49

actual Victory yes you can take out the

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30 to 35,000 Hamas terrorists yeah maybe

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they can do that and maybe in the

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process of that they kill tens of

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thousands more civilians and have to

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deal with the uh with the uh contention

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that that will cause worldwide and maybe

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Israelis don't care about that part long

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to get rid of Hamas so let's get to an

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end game where Hamas has gone why does

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leveling Gaza and killing so many

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civilians why would that give anyone in

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Israel any kind of comfort that that

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would that would kill off the ideology

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that fueled Hamas that it wouldn't

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actually just lead to an increase in

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that IDE ology more hatred towards

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Israelis more hatred towards Jewish

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people I've never quite understood what

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the end game looks like here for Israel

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that makes Israel more secure well I

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mean the end game presumably is security

08:43

not a sort of dynamic ideological

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scoring among a population that right

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now overwhelmingly supports the October

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7th attacks and prior to October 7th

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overwhelmingly supported Terror attacks

08:52

against the state of Israel and

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overwhelmingly supported the destruction

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of the state of Israel the sort of idea

08:57

that more conciliation from Israel was

08:59

bring bringing about peaceful conditions

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with the Palestinian Authority or with

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Hamas has been obviously proved false by

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the fact that Israel literally withdrew

09:05

all IDF forces from the Gaza Strip in

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2005 kamasa control they spent the last

09:10

20 years turning it into a giant Terror

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base from the Israeli perspective my

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assumption is that what they are

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figuring is degrade hamas's military

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capacity such that they cannot be an

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offensive threat to the state of Israel

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and then try to enact some sort of

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military control of the area sufficient

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to prevent any future threat from

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arising from that area I'm sure that

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Israel would love to hand the area over

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to Egypt Egypt says no Egypt doesn't

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want any part of it Israel would love to

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hand it over to Jordan Jordan says no

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Jordan doesn't want any part of it

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Israel's tried to hand it over to the

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Saudis to the UAE to the United States

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to literally anyone no one wants to run

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that area specifically because the

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population is already quite radicalized

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and was radicalized before October 7th

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and so what you're probably going to end

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up with and I said this I think the

09:49

first time I appeared on the show which

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was shortly after October 7th in in this

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context what you're probably going to

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end up with is some form of joint

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military rule in the Gaza Strip in which

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Israel has the intelligence capacity to

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go in and conduct raids in in Terror hot

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beds the same way that they do right now

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for example in the West Bank jday in

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Samaria places like Janine places like

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nablo the IDF is constantly attempting

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to go in and root out Terror cells in

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these particular areas one of the big

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flaws that led to October 7th was the

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fact that Israel had no forces on the

10:18

ground and no actual intelligence

10:19

capability inside the Gaza

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Strip one of the consequences of this

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war has been a lot of very high passions

10:28

on both sides a lot of angry

10:30

disagreements you and your company have

10:32

been at the center of a very uh

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high-profile one at the moment with

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Candice Owens who's now left daily wire

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um was she fired or did she leave of her

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own

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bition I'm not going to speak to this

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topic F at all at all you can't give me

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any uh insight into why she departed no

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hints no nothing I'm not going to speak

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to this C can I ask can I ask why I mean

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you can ask no no I'm can ask why you

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don't want to say anything um again you

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can

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ask I mean I mean I I'm only curious

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because I know what a a staunch defender

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of free speech you are and it would

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surprise me if it had been someone's

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opinions that would make you want to par

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company with them however cont suffice

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to say the only thing I will say is what

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I've said all along with regard to

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Candice or with regard to any of our

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other hosts I am not in hiring and

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firing position with the daily wire I'm

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a co-founder of the daily wire I'm a

11:32

co-owner of the daily wire I'm not

11:33

actually in management Jeremy boring and

11:35

Caleb Robinson are in management

11:37

positions with regard to Candice or

11:39

anyone else and as far as the Free

11:41

Speech situation what I will say is that

11:43

no company has the obligation to

11:45

literally pay anyone the the daily wire

11:48

is a is a publisher it is not a platform

11:51

I've never called for Candace or anyone

11:52

else for that matter to be banned from

11:54

YouTube to be banned from X to be banned

11:56

from any platform that's a different

11:57

story obviously when it it comes to any

12:00

publisher any publisher gets to make

12:01

decisions about what it wishes to uh

12:03

what it wishes to pry and not I mean I'm

12:05

just not going to label this but one

12:06

more point I would make is it's been

12:08

reported extensively that the reason for

12:11

her departure was because her comments

12:13

have been perceived by people at the

12:15

daily wire as

12:18

anti-semitic again I'm I'm not going to

12:20

comment on this Pi okay Rabbi smooy

12:24

would you comment on him because Jeremy

12:26

has actually commented on Rabbi schy

12:27

said I've avoided commenting publicly on

12:29

Rabbi schmi because as far as I can tell

12:31

the man is an attention of the

12:33

highest order is that the general

12:36

position of the company on Mr schi I

12:39

mean that that's my personal position

12:40

for sure I mean I I think that you know

12:43

Rabbi schi happens to be a person with

12:45

whom I agree on some matters related to

12:47

say Middle East policy and uh I I also

12:50

believe that his Devotion to camera and

12:53

notoriety have made him do some

12:54

untethered things in in recent days I

12:57

mean there's a clip I'm just going to

12:58

play it and you can comment or otherwise

13:00

but it was extraordinary to me we've had

13:02

him on this show a few times but I found

13:04

this really quite extraordinary let's

13:05

take a look worm is a day of Celebration

13:08

we feel bad for Candace Owens that she

13:11

lost her job so I figure with her image

13:14

of what Jews are supposed to look like

13:15

why not Val at least validator I am

13:18

dressed up as a Candace Owens Jew now

13:20

this is not a Christian Child this

13:21

Jewish child but if it would be I got my

13:23

Christian blood M spicy delicious I got

13:27

my Jewish nose I have have filth cuz

13:30

Jews are all filth and more than

13:32

anything else what does AD have

13:36

money I mean what is your reaction to

13:39

that to that clip I mean the phrase in

13:42

Hebrews that's what we would call a

13:43

hasem right it's a it's a desecration of

13:46

God's name and that sort of behavior is

13:48

is disgusting in any context uh and uh

13:50

frankly I don't know an orthodox Jew who

13:52

feels differently about that not one do

13:55

you think he should be given air time

13:58

anymore

14:00

Raby I mean I'm not going to make

14:02

decisions about who should Heir him and

14:03

who should not what I will say is that

14:06

the that that sort of behavior is

14:07

untethered from reality and and makes

14:10

mockery of much of the uh the mission

14:13

for for people like me which includes

14:15

fighting anti-Semitism yeah but I get a

14:17

lot of people actually after his most

14:19

recent appearance here just saying this

14:21

guy does not speak for most Jewish

14:24

people like me and they they write in

14:26

their drones and they say please stop

14:28

having someone on the I mean what he's

14:29

doing there certainly doesn't speak for

14:30

literally any Jew that I can that I've

14:32

heard of or know I mean I can't speak to

14:34

his positions on Israel again you know

14:35

my positions on Israel speak for my

14:37

positions on Israel but that's a

14:38

different story from dressing up in a

14:40

dmer costume uh to to mock anti-Semitism

14:43

I think that that's quite you know

14:45

counterproductive and and especially

14:47

given the the online discourse pretty

14:48

pretty negative in pretty much every way

14:50

I can think of

14:51

yeah Russia and what happened there was

14:54

a terror attack by ISIS k um people have

14:58

made some parallels they said look

15:00

there's a massive terror attack on the

15:01

heart of Russia in Moscow uh 130 people

15:05

brutally murdered Putin uh and the

15:09

Kremlin know where these terrorists came

15:11

from and a specific area would it be

15:14

logical given the way that Israel

15:16

responded to uh the Hamas attack on

15:19

October the 7th for Putin to go and do

15:22

the same thing that Israel's done in

15:24

Gaza to the area where these terrorists

15:26

came from I mean so first of all Putin

15:28

has done that historically many times

15:30

over whether you're talking about Chia

15:31

or whether you're talking about other

15:32

areas uh as F and nobody seemed to bat

15:34

an eyelash when it was Vladimir Putin

15:36

doing that so I'll first point that out

15:38

second of all I don't see the

15:39

international pressure to give Isis K or

15:40

its allies estate in the aftermath of a

15:43

mass terror attack I don't see a lot of

15:45

calls for Putin to act with tremendous

15:47

restraint in the aftermath of that

15:49

terror attack and frankly I think it's

15:50

very unlikely that Putin is going to do

15:52

anything like rooting out Isis K in in

15:55

the are in Tajikistan or wherever else

15:57

the these people are coming from seems

15:59

more focused on trying to misdirect this

16:01

terror attack into an attack on Ukraine

16:02

which is I think pretty disgusting yeah

16:04

I mean it is disgusting it's completely

16:06

untrue obviously uh but it's something

16:09

that in the world of disinformation that

16:11

we we exist in now is gaining currency I

16:14

see it online that a lot of people who

16:16

have a bent towards Russia and Putin

16:18

they're quite happy to believe that

16:20

Ukraine was behind this I mean the

16:23

amount of of misinformation on on

16:26

various social media Outlets is

16:27

extraordinary right now the velocity is

16:29

extraordinary right now and pretty much

16:31

any conspiracy theory is capable of

16:33

gaining just unbelievable legs very very

16:35

quickly what do we do about it bam I

16:39

mean the only thing you can do is is try

16:40

to speak fact into what appears to be a

16:42

vacuum the thing I've been encouraging

16:43

people to do more and more often is go

16:44

outside and touch some grass man I mean

16:46

seriously the online world is a terrible

16:48

place and then you turn it off and you

16:50

go outside and you talk to normal people

16:52

for five minutes and they are much

16:53

happier and actually exist in a world of

16:55

reality it's this own self-contained

16:57

Nether world where some of the some of

17:00

the most conspiratorial people hang out

17:01

and create Echo Chambers for one another

17:03

and whoever can say the loudest

17:05

conspiracy theory gets the most

17:06

engagement the best way to do this I

17:08

recommend to everybody God was right

17:10

take the seventh day off turn off your

17:11

electronics get out of the house go to

17:13

church like do something worthwhile with

17:14

your life for five minutes you know I

17:16

got into a bit of a spat with Elon Musk

17:18

because I had an interview lined up with

17:19

him and he canceled at the last minute

17:21

because I criticized him a month earlier

17:24

and he found the clip on this show

17:26

actually I criticized him for allowing

17:28

Alex Jones back on the platform having

17:30

originally said he wouldn't let him back

17:32

on because he wouldn't let people stand

17:33

on the the day at the graves of dead

17:36

children and make money from it in the

17:37

way that he'd been doing was he right to

17:40

let Alex Jones back on if you look at

17:41

Alex Jones's feed on XM the last few

17:44

weeks he spewing endless conspiracy

17:46

theories to quite a big audience does

17:49

that not unnecessarily unfairly wrongly

17:52

Fu the kind of toxic nature of of

17:56

discourse that you were talking about

17:58

yes so again I'll go back to the

17:59

distinction that I was making earlier

18:00

between platform and publisher I

18:01

wouldn't hire Alex Jones or pay him to

18:03

purvey his views here at Daily wire even

18:06

if I had the power to do so but a

18:08

platform is a different thing I think

18:09

what Elon is trying to do with X for

18:11

good or ill and I think it's come with

18:12

with some of both is to broaden the

18:14

scope of free speech try to turn it into

18:17

a into a Town Square that's going to

18:18

come along with an awful lot of people

18:20

who are who are using that Town Square

18:21

to throw feces against the wall what do

18:24

you make of the Don Lemon musk interview

18:26

and the

18:27

Fallout um I I mean I frankly I thought

18:29

that that Don didn't do a particularly

18:30

good job with that with that interview

18:32

I'll be honest with you um but with all

18:35

of that said as far as far as the

18:36

Fallout of it again between Elon and Don

18:39

making their business decisions that

18:40

that is up to them one thing I noticed

18:42

Don Lemon can still post his show on X

18:44

he just doesn't have to be paid by Elon

18:46

for it what I was surprised by was that

18:47

Don Lemon did that interview exactly how

18:49

I expected Don Lemon to do that

18:50

interview I was surprised that Elon mus

18:53

was surprised that Don Lemon was Don

18:55

Lemon you know the the media is a pretty

18:57

adversarial place and I I I think that

19:00

you know again I'm not going to speak to

19:02

elon's level of surprise I will say that

19:03

Don Lemon being Don Lemon is very Don

19:05

Lemon of him I mean nothing surprising

19:09

there we woke up this morning to this

19:11

Dreadful story in Baltimore with this

19:13

bridge collapsing a lot of really

19:16

bizarre unanswered questions you know

19:18

how did the power on this on this cargo

19:20

ship suddenly go off which then made it

19:22

Veer of course why was there no Tugboat

19:25

some people have been pointing out and

19:27

so on I was also struck by the fact that

19:29

a cargo ship hitting a part of a major

19:33

arterial bridge in a major American city

19:36

could bring the whole Bridge down what

19:38

did you make of

19:39

this you know obviously it's a tragedy

19:42

there will be a full investigation I I'm

19:44

certain of that yeah I I I hesitate to

19:46

always jump to sort of the a bunch of

19:48

conspiracies we were talking about that

19:49

are floating around online it appears

19:51

not to be a terror attack in fact it

19:52

appears that many of the people who are

19:54

on board actually called the landbased

19:55

authorities which is why the bridge

19:57

wasn't more filled with with car people

19:59

when the bridge collapsed but you I'm

20:01

I'm going to wait till all the facts

20:02

come in before making any sort of

20:04

statement on on what I think happened or

20:05

what can be done to correct it otherwise

20:06

I I feel we're jumping the gun probably

20:08

what are you concerned about

20:10

infrastructure generally in America I've

20:12

seen that again being debated today that

20:15

the there's a kind of sense that there's

20:16

a rotting infrastructure at the heart of

20:18

America first of all I think that that

20:20

tends to be a little bit overstated

20:22

because you can obviously find anecdotal

20:24

situations where there's a a bridge that

20:26

that falls down and that's terrible this

20:27

one didn't fall down of it's record

20:29

obviously at 165,000 ton ship that ran

20:31

into it um but beside that you know I I

20:34

think that the the biggest problem with

20:36

infrastructure tends to be state and

20:37

local based infrastructure not federal

20:39

based infrastructure in other words

20:41

spending a bunch of federal money on

20:42

infrastructure tends not to cure most of

20:44

these this one was under Federal aaces

20:46

by the way so we'll see if there were

20:46

inherent flaws in in the bridge and if

20:49

so obviously somebody is to blame and

20:50

presumably the Secretary of

20:51

Transportation will get the blame if

20:53

that's the case you've made a very

20:54

interesting documentary I watched it

20:56

last night about fenel America's silent

20:58

epidemic I was struck by the fact that

21:00

more people in America get killed by

21:02

fenel now than are killed by guns let's

21:05

take a quick look at a clip from the

21:07

film my only child is dead she died from

21:09

fentanyl poison my son died at 25 it was

21:13

fentanyl that killed my child fentel

21:15

overdose is the leading cause of death

21:17

for Americans 18 to 45 the sitting

21:19

president is supposed to put Americans

21:21

first we went to Kensington a

21:23

neighborhood of Philadelphia to check

21:24

out the fentel epidemic this is Ground

21:26

Zero for the fentel epidemic the

21:28

homeless epic in the heart of America's

21:30

towns and cities a silent crisis leaves

21:32

a trail of Devastation in its wake Joe

21:34

Biden and his administration have not

21:35

done anything to protect American

21:37

citizens join me on the ground as I

21:38

bring you the real world consequences of

21:40

one of the most destructive presidencies

21:41

in American history one degree of

21:43

separation between the Biden family and

21:46

the kings of fento I thought it was a

21:49

very powerful documentary uh some

21:51

shocking statistics in there um what is

21:54

the answer to this fental obviously the

21:57

poorest Southern border is a massive

21:59

part of the problem but should there be

22:01

more regulation more laws more control

22:04

over fentel itself so certainly there

22:07

ought to be state level laws that are

22:09

passed that allow for drug dealers to be

22:10

prosecuted for homicide if a drug dealer

22:13

passes a drug with fentol laced into it

22:15

to one of their victims because it is in

22:17

fact fentanyl poisoning many of the

22:19

people who are taking fentanyl using the

22:20

term fentanyl overdose is probably wrong

22:22

for a huge number of people and overdose

22:24

is when you take too much of a drug that

22:25

you actually intending to ingest in many

22:27

of these cases you have somebody who's

22:29

taking what they think is an Aderall and

22:30

it turns out that it's laced with

22:31

fentanyl and a grain of fentanyl or two

22:33

can kill you and so that actually is a

22:35

poisoning and drug dealers ought to be

22:36

prosecuted in precisely that fashion but

22:39

you're right the biggest issue obviously

22:40

is the poorest Southern border uh the

22:42

the first episode in this series was

22:44

about the southern border the drug

22:45

cartels control the entirety of the

22:46

American southern border and right now

22:48

they are using illegal immigration as

22:50

actually a misdirect to get fentanyl

22:51

into the country what they're doing is

22:53

flooding illegal immigrants into certain

22:54

areas the border patrol under Joe Biden

22:56

makes it first priority to go to those

22:58

areas in process the illegal immigrants

22:59

who are arriving in these areas that

23:01

leaves the rest of the Border completely

23:02

unmanned and while the rest of the

23:04

border is unmanned that's when you see

23:05

people coming in with backpacks filled

23:07

with fentanyl that fentanyl the

23:08

precursors are coming from China it's

23:09

being processed in Mexico at largely

23:12

bases that are owned by Chinese

23:13

Nationals and and then it's being given

23:15

to it's traded to the Mexican drug

23:17

cartels which are pushing it up north

23:19

through the Border it really is a deadly

23:22

it's not really an epidemic as much as

23:23

it is a deadly terror attack on the

23:24

United States via the the Mexican drug

23:26

cartels what should Biden be doing that

23:28

not doing I mean number one he has to

23:31

actually reinstate the rain and Mexico

23:33

policy with regards to Illegal

23:34

immigration which will allow the

23:35

reconstitution of the border patrol so

23:37

they can actually guard the unguarded

23:39

areas he needs to shut the border he

23:41

needs to be putting significant pressure

23:42

in terms of sanctions and other other

23:44

mechanisms on China for shipping the

23:46

precursors into Mexico in the first

23:49

place China has effectively been lying

23:51

to the United States saying that they

23:52

are doing things about the fentanyl

23:54

overdose exposure problem but they

23:56

really are not what they really have

23:57

done is instead of just shipping pure

23:58

fentanyl into Mexico they're shipping

23:59

the precursors into Mexico the United

24:02

States should be putting economic

24:03

pressure on the government of Mexico

24:04

which effectively has turned this this

24:06

entire state to America's South into a

24:08

narco State the drug cartels Don't just

24:09

run the American southern border

24:11

effectively they run the they run the

24:12

Mexican Government at this point and if

24:13

if Syria's pressure isn't brought to

24:15

bear on the Mexican Government to

24:16

disconnect and fight the drug cartels

24:18

this problem is going to continue to

24:19

Fester let me ask a question that I

24:21

think will uh appeal to fans of our

24:23

lengthy relationship who remembered some

24:25

of our early skirmishes but a drug is

24:29

killing nearly 100,000 people a year in

24:31

America you're very determined to bring

24:33

in all sorts of new regulations rules

24:36

laws and so on why do you not feel as

24:38

strongly about the number of people

24:40

being killed by guns well I mean I

24:43

certainly feel horrible for people who

24:45

are killed by guns there there's two

24:47

main distinctions one is that we

24:48

actually have a right in the United

24:49

States to keep in be arms whereas you do

24:51

not have a right to actually inest or

24:52

distribute Fentanyl and two is that the

24:55

solutions that are proposed for

24:56

preventing the distribution of fentanyl

24:57

in the United States states are likely

24:59

to be significantly more impactful than

25:01

many of the gun regulations that have

25:02

been proposed in order to stop the

25:04

so-called gun violence epidemic there

25:06

there are significant other problems

25:07

that are involved with the gun violence

25:09

problem in the United States ranging

25:11

from if you're talking school shootings

25:12

mental illness to Crime problems that

25:14

are responsible for the predominant

25:16

amount of gun crime in America's major

25:18

cities for example in other words the

25:20

instrument to me when it comes to guns

25:22

is secondary consideration especially

25:24

considering legislation already on the

25:25

books in many of these places when it

25:26

comes to fentanyl there are simple

25:28

things that can be done like right this

25:29

moment to actually stop this plus again

25:31

you do not actually have the right to

25:32

ingest or distribute fenel would you not

25:34

accept though that if the answer to

25:37

fentanyl deaths is to have less fentanyl

25:40

available on the streets would one of

25:42

the answers to the gun vience epidemic

25:45

in America not be to have fewer

25:48

guns I no I I don't necessarily accept

25:51

that I think it depends who has the guns

25:53

I think that if the if the answer is

25:55

fewer guns in the hands of people who

25:56

shouldn't have them then you and I

25:57

totally agree on this and we have for at

25:59

least a decade at this point I believe

26:01

Pi but when 15 years has she been 15

26:03

years it's it's been a long time we're

26:04

much older than when we began this

26:06

entire rigar but I think you're aging

26:08

better than me just for for what it's

26:10

worth well I I started off younger to be

26:12

fair to you let me ask you finally about

26:15

the the upcoming American election um

26:18

Donald Trump it seems the more crap

26:20

thrown at him by the left the more

26:22

powerful he gets and the more electable

26:25

he becomes with even Independence and

26:27

Republicans I don't like him gravitating

26:30

to a mindset about Trump that he's a

26:32

victim of a massive Witch Hunt here uh

26:35

do you think it can Propel him to the

26:37

White House or did you see signs in the

26:39

Republican primary season that there are

26:41

too many disaffected Republicans

26:43

actually to to help him win a general

26:47

election I no actually I think what the

26:49

primary showed is that there were a lot

26:50

of Democrats who are crossing over and

26:51

voting in Republican primaries I think

26:53

that by polling data 95% of Republicans

26:56

are going to go vote for Donald Trump

26:58

the the big problem is for Joe Biden

26:59

about 80% of Democrats say they approve

27:01

of Joe Biden he's the sitting president

27:02

so Joe Biden has a really bad systemic

27:04

problem on his hands it's hard to see

27:06

frankly how he can change direction

27:08

absent some sort of external

27:09

considerations that change everybody's

27:11

math the economy starts to Boom in such

27:13

a way that people actually feel it or

27:14

all the foreign policy issues which are

27:16

on fire right now the world's on fire

27:18

all those suddenly go out and Americans

27:19

change their perception of Biden I've

27:21

said before that every presidential

27:23

election is a referendum on one of the

27:24

two candidates and whoever it's a

27:25

referendum on loses right now the

27:28

elction is a referendum on Joe Biden and

27:29

if it's a referendum on Joe Biden come

27:30

November Donald Trump is going to be

27:32

president again and if Trump does win

27:34

and I think your Calculus is correct if

27:36

he does win is that going to be a good

27:38

or bad thing for America I mean you

27:40

you've blown hot and cold on Trump over

27:42

the years as I have as many people have

27:44

but would it be a good or bad thing

27:46

Trump marked two in the white house I

27:48

think that compared to a second Joe

27:50

Biden Administration I think that it

27:51

would be an excellent thing I think that

27:53

that Donald Trump's policy is the best

27:54

part of his administration the first

27:55

time around and so I would hope for more

27:57

of the first three years of his policy

27:58

in a second Trump Administration what if

28:00

you were advising him what would you

28:01

hope for less for second time round from

28:03

Trump I mean it's always the same thing

28:05

you know I would hope for less of the

28:08

rhetorical flourishes I would hope for

28:09

more of the unifying rhetoric a little

28:11

bit less of the freneticism I think that

28:13

what Americans really want right now is

28:15

to be left alone and for there to be a

28:16

feeling of stability and it's been a

28:18

very long time since we've had any of

28:19

that in the United States most Americans

28:21

again just want to touch grass and go

28:22

back to normal and so back to normal if

28:25

Trump could do that it would make him

28:26

immensely popular because the perception

28:27

is that he can't right that he can't

28:28

stop himself from being eccentric but if

28:31

he could actually get in the white house

28:32

and then actually pursue Joe Biden

28:33

strategy which is going to bed early at

28:34

5:00 p.m. every night except with some

28:36

good policies then I think Americans

28:38

would be pretty happy I think you're

28:39

right Ben chir great to have you back on

28:41

sens thank you very much thanks so

28:53

much

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