Victoria Nuland RESIGNS, Glenn Greenwald EVISCERATES Leading Neocon: Interview

The Hill
6 Mar 202412:20

Summary

TLDRThe video transcript discusses the impending resignation of Victoria Nuland from her role as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. Journalist Glenn Greenwald is interviewed to analyze Nuland's legacy, describing her as a 'singularly repellent and destructive figure' who embodies the hawkish, neoconservative foreign policy establishment in Washington. Greenwald criticizes Nuland's involvement in the Iraq War, her role in the 2014 Ukraine crisis, and her confrontational stance towards Russia. He argues that Nuland's resignation reflects the failure of her primary project - the Ukraine war against Russia - and her career ambitions being stifled within the Biden administration.

Takeaways

  • 😼 Victoria Nuland, former Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, is stepping down from her high-ranking diplomatic position known for her hawkish stance towards Russia and actions regarding Ukraine.
  • đŸ”„ Nuland has faced criticism for her interventionist views, particularly her involvement in the 2014 coup in Ukraine and her support for confronting Russia.
  • 📜 Nuland's diplomatic career includes serving as a top advisor to Dick Cheney during the Iraq War, and holding positions under multiple administrations from Clinton to Biden (except during Trump's presidency).
  • đŸ€ Nuland's departure is seen as a potential signal of the failure of her key project, the war in Ukraine, to topple Russia, and her career ambitions being stalled after being passed over for the number two spot at the State Department.
  • 🌐 Nuland is representative of the continuity in American foreign policy and the influence of neoconservative figures across administrations, regardless of the party in power.
  • 🐘🐮 While there is an emerging anti-interventionist faction within the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, as evidenced by the election of Adam Schiff in California, remains largely supportive of interventionist and pro-Israel policies.
  • đŸ’„ The interview highlights the ongoing debate and realignment around foreign policy, with growing opposition to interventionism on both the left and right, but also continued support for certain conflicts, such as Israel's actions in Gaza.
  • đŸ‘„ The interview underscores the long-standing influence of neoconservative figures like Nuland and the Kagan family in shaping American foreign policy across multiple administrations.
  • đŸ€” Nuland's departure raises questions about the future direction of American foreign policy and the potential for a shift away from interventionism, or a continuation of neoconservative influence within the government.
  • 🌍 The discussion serves as a reminder of the complexities and debates surrounding American foreign policy, and the ongoing tensions between interventionist and non-interventionist ideologies within both major political parties.

Q & A

  • Who is Victoria Nuland and what is her position?

    -Victoria Nuland is the outgoing Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, the third highest-ranking US diplomat position. She was known for her hawkish stance, especially toward Russia and her actions regarding Ukraine.

  • What did Victoria Nuland do during the Obama Administration?

    -During the Obama Administration, Nuland served as Assistant Secretary of State for Europe. She was involved in the 2014 US-supported coup against the then-elected president of Ukraine and was caught on a tape plotting which people the US wanted to take positions in the Ukrainian government after the coup.

  • What was Victoria Nuland's role during the Iraq War?

    -Victoria Nuland was Dick Cheney's top advisor in the White House from 2003 onwards, counseling him on how to implement and maintain the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

  • Why is Victoria Nuland considered a controversial figure?

    -Nuland is considered a controversial figure due to her neoconservative and hawkish foreign policy views, her involvement in the Iraq War and the 2014 Ukraine coup, and her close ties to neoconservative figures like her husband Robert Kagan.

  • What does Glenn Greenwald think of Victoria Nuland's legacy?

    -Glenn Greenwald finds Victoria Nuland to be a singularly repellent and destructive figure who represents the continuity of neoconservative and interventionist foreign policies in Washington, regardless of which party is in power.

  • Why is Victoria Nuland stepping down from her position?

    -According to Glenn Greenwald, Nuland is likely stepping down because her main project, the war in Ukraine, is a failure, and she was passed over for the number two spot at the State Department, which was her lifelong ambition.

  • What does Victoria Nuland's career trajectory represent about US foreign policy?

    -Nuland's career, serving in various administrations from Clinton to Biden (except for the Trump years), represents the tremendous continuity in American foreign policy and the influence of neoconservative and interventionist figures, regardless of which party is in power.

  • Is there a shift in anti-interventionist sentiment within political parties, according to Glenn Greenwald?

    -Greenwald acknowledges some emerging anti-interventionist sentiment on both the right and left, particularly regarding the Ukraine war. However, he believes that ultimately, the party machinery will subsume these interests, as evidenced by the recent California Senate race.

  • How does the Israel-Palestine conflict factor into the anti-interventionist debate?

    -Greenwald notes that while there is growing opposition to interventionist wars on both sides, there is still widespread support for aiding Israel and its actions against Palestinians, particularly on the Republican side, showing the limits of the anti-interventionist realignment.

  • What is the significance of Victoria Nuland's career in understanding how Washington works?

    -According to Greenwald, Nuland's career serves as a vivid vessel through which we can understand how Washington really works, where neoconservative and interventionist figures move seamlessly between administrations, regardless of which party is in power, and their foreign policy agendas remain largely unchanged.

Outlines

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đŸ—Łïž Victoria Nuland's Controversial Diplomatic Career

This paragraph provides an overview of Victoria Nuland's career as a high-ranking diplomat known for her hawkish stance, especially towards Russia and her involvement in the Ukraine crisis. It highlights her roles during various administrations, including her time as Assistant Secretary of State for Europe during the Obama administration, her presence during the 1993 coup against Boris Yeltsin in Russia, and her position as a spokesperson for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The paragraph also mentions her connection to the neoconservative Robert Kagan as his spouse.

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⚖ Nuland's Neoconservative Legacy and Bipartisan Continuity

This paragraph examines Victoria Nuland's legacy as a representative of the neoconservative ideology and the continuity of interventionist foreign policies across administrations, regardless of party affiliation. It discusses her role as an advisor to Dick Cheney during the Iraq War and her comfortable positions under the Obama and Biden administrations. The paragraph also highlights the shift in the Democratic Party's stance towards neoconservative figures like Nuland, who were once criticized by liberals but have now become integrated into the party's ranks. Additionally, it touches on the bipartisan nature of foreign policy continuity, with figures like Nuland serving multiple administrations.

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🌐 The Future of Anti-Interventionism and Foreign Policy Realignment

This paragraph explores the potential for a shift away from the uniform commitment to neoconservative ideology within the political parties, particularly in light of the growing anti-interventionist faction within the Republican Party and the burgeoning opposition on the left to the war in Gaza. It examines the outcome of the California Senate race as an indicator of the Democratic Party's stance on foreign policy issues. The paragraph also discusses the nuances of the realignment, such as the continued support for Israel's actions in Gaza among Republicans, while acknowledging the limits of this realignment on certain issues.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Neoconservative

Neoconservative, or neocon, refers to a political movement that advocates for a interventionist foreign policy, often involving the use of military force to promote democracy and American interests abroad. Victoria Nuland is described as having a 'hawkish stance' and being part of the neocon circle, suggesting her alignment with neoconservative ideologies. Glenn Greenwald criticizes her as a 'singularly repellent and destructive figure' representative of neoconservative policies like the Iraq War.

💡Iraq War

The Iraq War, which began in 2003, was a major military intervention by the United States and allies to overthrow Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq. Greenwald mentions that Nuland advised Dick Cheney on implementing and maintaining the occupation of Iraq, highlighting her involvement in this controversial and destructive war. He argues that the Iraq War should be seen as a 'moral crime' and 'the worst war of the last generation,' yet those responsible like Nuland have faced little accountability.

💡Ukraine

Ukraine is a central focus of the discussion, as Nuland played a significant role in shaping U.S. policy towards the country. Greenwald mentions the leaked tape recording that suggested Nuland was trying to influence the leadership of Ukraine after the 2014 coup against the elected president. Her actions are seen as contributing to the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which has escalated into a major war.

💡Continuity

Continuity refers to the consistent thread of foreign policy and decision-makers across different administrations, regardless of which party is in power. Greenwald argues that Nuland's career, spanning from Clinton to Biden (except for Trump's term), exemplifies this continuity in American foreign policy. Despite promises of change from new presidents, the same interventionist figures like Nuland have maintained their influence and pursued similar hawkish policies.

💡Anti-interventionism

Anti-interventionism is the opposition to military interventions and the use of force in foreign affairs. Greenwald notes that there is a growing anti-interventionist faction within the Republican Party, particularly regarding the Ukraine war, which challenges the traditional neoconservative ideology. However, he also suggests that this shift may have limits, as some on the right still support interventions perceived as benefiting Israeli interests.

💡Neocon

Neocon is a shortened term for neoconservative, referring to individuals and groups that subscribe to neoconservative ideologies. Greenwald mentions Nuland's ties to the 'neocon circle' and her marriage to Robert Kagan, a prominent figure in the 'dynastic neocon family' of the Kagans. This association with neoconservative figures and ideologies is central to Greenwald's critique of Nuland's foreign policy positions.

💡Coup

A coup refers to a sudden, violent overthrow of a government or leader. Greenwald discusses the 2014 coup in Ukraine, where the elected president was removed from power, an event in which Nuland and the U.S. government were perceived as being supportive. The coup is seen as a pivotal moment that contributed to the escalation of tensions between Russia and Ukraine, and Nuland's involvement is highlighted.

💡Hawkish

Hawkish is an adjective used to describe a political stance or ideology that favors the use of military force or aggressive foreign policies. Nuland is described as having a 'hawkish stance,' particularly toward Russia and her actions regarding Ukraine. This suggests a willingness to take a confrontational approach and use military means to achieve foreign policy objectives.

💡Legacy

Legacy refers to the lasting impact, reputation, or body of work left behind by an individual or group. The discussion centers around evaluating Nuland's legacy, particularly her role in shaping U.S. foreign policy and her involvement in events like the Iraq War and the Ukraine conflict. Greenwald argues that her legacy is one of a 'repellent and destructive figure' who represents the continuity of interventionist policies across administrations.

💡Realignment

Realignment refers to a significant shift in political allegiances or ideologies within a party or movement. Greenwald discusses the potential realignment happening within the Republican Party, with a growing anti-interventionist faction challenging traditional neoconservative views on foreign policy. However, he also notes the limits of this realignment, as some on the right still support interventions perceived as benefiting Israeli interests.

Highlights

Victoria Nuland, known for her hawkish stance toward Russia and her actions regarding Ukraine, is stepping down from her high-ranking position as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.

Nuland served as a top advisor to Dick Cheney, counseling him on the invasion and occupation of Iraq, which Glenn Greenwald describes as 'the worst war of the last generation'.

Nuland played a key role in the 2014 US-supported coup against the then-elected president of Ukraine, providing support to the protesters and plotting the composition of the new government.

The leaked tape recording of Nuland discussing the makeup of the new Ukrainian government after the coup demonstrated her direct involvement in shaping the country's leadership.

Greenwald argues that Nuland represents the continuity of neoconservative policies and interventionist foreign policy across administrations, regardless of which party is in power.

Nuland's resignation is seen as a result of the failure of her main project, the war in Ukraine, and her career ambition of becoming Secretary of State being thwarted.

Greenwald highlights the bipartisan continuity in American foreign policy, with Nuland serving under multiple administrations from Clinton to Biden, except for Trump's term.

The election of Adam Schiff in California, a supporter of the Iraq War and endorsed by AIPAC, is seen as indicative of the Democratic Party's continued commitment to interventionist policies.

While there is a growing anti-interventionist faction on the right, especially regarding the war in Ukraine, Greenwald notes the limits of this realignment, as many still support wars against perceived enemies like Arabs and Muslims.

Greenwald observes a reawakening of anti-war sentiment on the left due to the war in Gaza, which he hopes will revitalize the anti-war movement.

Transcripts

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Victoria nuland will step down from her

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post as under Secretary of State for

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political Affairs the third highest

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ranking US Diplomat position known for

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her hawkish stance especially toward

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Russia and his actions against Ukraine

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nulan has increasingly come under Fire

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over her views she was passed over for

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the number two spot at the state

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department by Biden last year now prior

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to joining the Biden Administration

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nulan served as assistant Secretary of

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State for Europe during the Obama

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Administration but retired after Donald

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Trump was elected now her diplomatic

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career took her to Moscow during the

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1993 coup against then Russian president

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Boris yelson and an ambassador to Nato

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and a spokesperson for the Secretary of

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State Hillary Clinton Newlands also

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known as the spouse of neocon Robert

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Kagan now with us to discuss her Legacy

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is journalist Glenn Greenwald Glenn it

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is an honor to have you on our show

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again always great to be with you guys

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thanks for asking so I think our viewers

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are probably a little bit more educated

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about Victoria Newland than uh the

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average of viewers of political news

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shows but in case anyone has missed out

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on what she has been responsible during

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her time advising uh presidents why

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don't you fill them

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in yeah I mean I find her not just a

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singularly repellent and destructive

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figure but also a highly representative

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one a really Vivid vessel through which

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we can understand how Washington really

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works because although you mentioned

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most of the low lights of her career one

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of the things you admitted that actually

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was most important in launching her as a

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major voice in Washington was that she

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was Dick Cheney's top advisor in the

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White House in 2003 and for the next

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several years for counseling him on how

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to implement the invasion of Iraq and

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then how to maintain the occupation of

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Iraq and we're supposed to regard I

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thought the Iraq War as some kind of

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grave at Best Mistake if not moral crime

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the worst war of the last generation and

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yet the people responsible which

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certainly includes Victoria nulan it's

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almost like we don't even remember

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anymore who these people are we don't

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even mention it we just elected Adam

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Smith the Democrats did rather to the

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Senate effectively in California last

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night he was a major voice for the Iraq

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War of course Joe Biden was it's like

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this has all been forgotten and then

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from there she just continued to

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implement classical neoconservative

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policies not just wanting to confront

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Russia but most other countries in the

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world and she's part of this neocon

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circle that liberals just 15 years ago

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used to describe as warmongering and

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psychotic and yet she served very

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comfortably under the Obama

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Administration with both John krey and

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Hillary Clinton then ran Ukraine for

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both Obama and now Biden I mean the

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Ukraine piece I think where a lot of us

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came to be more knowledgeable about

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Victoria nulan with the now Infamous

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tape recording that seemed to suggest or

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seem to demonstrate her trying to choose

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the leadership of Ukraine can you unpack

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pack that episode for those who might

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not be as

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aware yeah so well first of all she has

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roots in Ukraine her family uh is in

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large part from Ukraine and I think a

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lot of people have forgotten this part

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of history that during the Obama

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Administration Obama was reluctant to

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confront Russia he didn't want to send

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lethal arms to Ukraine he didn't want to

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confront Russia over uh Syria he didn't

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think Syria or Ukraine was worth risking

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a war with Russia but part of the state

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department led by Hillary Clinton was

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extremely hawkish and pushing to do more

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to confront Russia and Hillary and

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Victoria newand were very much part of

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that when Hillary wrote her book the one

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place she was most critical of Obama was

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on his refusal to confront Russia more

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and she led the way and what you can

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basically trace this current war in

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Ukraine to was the 2014 US supported

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attempt and you can argue about how much

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the US was involved but they were

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certainly supportive openly of the coup

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against the then elected president of

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Ukraine who was elected in 2010 served a

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five it was supposed to serve a 5-year

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office but he was removed moved in 2014

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when the US and the EU perceived him as

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being too comfortable with Moscow and

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Victoria nulan went there she like gave

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cupcakes and donuts to the people

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outside the palace trying to remove him

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from power and that was a key event in

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what led to the war in Ukraine and then

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as you say she got caught on a tape

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recorded conversation that they claimed

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the Russians hacked and released but

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whoever it was it was certainly an

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authentic H where she was plotting with

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the then US ambassador to to Ukraine

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over exactly which people the US wanted

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to take which positions in the Ukrainian

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government once this uh elected

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president was removed and then after

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that coup was effectuated exactly the

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people that she directed be put into

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government ended up ruling Ukraine you

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know you mentioned earlier that uh uh

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not so long ago um liberals many

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Democrats were you know horrified by the

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decision to invade Iraq which was

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supported by many top Democrats but was

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an initiative under a Republican

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president and now some certainly not all

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but some of the most um kind of

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neoconservative or more interventionist

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hawkish voices uh continue to exist or

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have even maybe grown with respect to

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Ukraine in particular in the Democratic

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party like I if I'm looking on on X I'm

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seeing criticism of Victoria nuland from

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you know people U responsible

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non-interventionist voices on the left

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like yourself but also frankly a lot of

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people on the right given how Ukraine

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has shifted the political veillance a

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little bit seeing like Steve for

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instance did an episode in his show

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condemning her um that sort of thing

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what do you think it says about the

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trajectory of the political

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transformation on foreign policy taking

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place in this

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country when I started writing about

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politics Robbie it was 2005 late 2005 in

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the middle of the war on terror at the

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beginning of the second term of buen and

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a consensus emerged among liberals then

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that neocons were the single worst

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faction in American political life Bill

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Crystal and Paul wolfowitz I I mean all

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these people that brought in Guantanamo

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and torture and the invasion of Iraq and

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you know the attempt to move that to

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Iran and she was not only you know

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counseling that but she was also the UN

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ambassador to Nato that led the way with

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condesa Rice under Bush and trying to

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expand NATO up to the Russian border to

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include Ukraine which was again probably

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the initial act that led us to where we

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are in Ukraine so if I had said you know

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15 or 10 years ago that Victoria newand

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who also again is married to like into

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the Kagan family probably the largest

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and most important dynastic neocon

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family in the United States the brother

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the father her husband if you had said

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Nikki Victoria Nan was this you know

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sort of symbol of American evil every

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liberal would applaud you because she

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was a well-known recognized neocon which

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is what liberals thought now 15 years

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later you won't see a single mainstream

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Democrat or liberal agreeing with you

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that Victoria nand is that and that's

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because like most neocons she has

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aligned herself with the Democratic

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party she served again comfortably in

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the Obama Administration she wasn't a

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civil servant she was a political

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appointee and then again in the Biden

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Administration where she Rose to the top

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highest level of the state department so

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these kinds of people who 10 years ago

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were considered Evil by American

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liberals and the left are now integrated

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into the Democratic party along with the

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broader neoconservative movement and

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that's not because they changed it's

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because the politics of each party did

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to what do you attribute her stepping

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down I think you know it's I mean one

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can only speculate you never really know

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for sure but I think in part it's two

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things one is the fact that the most

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important project for her which is the

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war in Ukraine to try and topple Russia

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is a gigantic gigantic failure Russia is

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the only country expanding the territory

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that it holds no by no sense is Ukraine

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expelling Russia from any land in

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Ukraine let alone all of it which was

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the goal of the war at the same time

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they can't even get another $60 billion

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through the Congress so her main project

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is a failure but I think it's more just

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career ambition that she really wanted

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that number two spot her lifelong

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ambition everyone knows is to be

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Secretary of State and when Wendy

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Sherman reti hired as deputy secretary

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of state in August she wanted that job

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permanently she got passed over by

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somebody who and now her replacement is

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also somebody who worked for Dick Cheney

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in the dict Cheney George Bush White

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House to showing this kind of bipartisan

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continuity and probably she feels like

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she's at the end of her line of her

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career maybe in a second B

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Administration if there is one she could

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return but for now I think she feels

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like she's at a career dead end it is a

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powerful example of the tremendous

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continuity in American foreign policy

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regardless of who gets voted into office

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even when when the president is voted in

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on an explicitly anti-interventionist or

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anti-expansion of the Iraq you know Fury

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over Iraq in Afghanistan helped Propel

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Obama to Victory and to some extent

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Trump even uh but but and yet there is

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there is a continuity in the in the the

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PE the Victorian nuland type people who

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actually make these policies uh does

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does that seem to to be the

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case yeah I mean she went she goes back

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to all the way back to Clinton so she

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has served in the state department in

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every Administration from Clinton to

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Biden except for the four years when

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Donald Trump was president that was the

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only time she was out of government and

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again she started as a civil servant but

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the more you go up the ranks they become

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political appointees you have to be

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appointed by the president sometimes

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confirmed by the Senate so after the

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Clint year she was a real closely held

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adviser and official of George Bush of

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Barack Obama of Joe Biden of Dick Cheney

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these people that were told can't agree

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on anything use this same people to

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implement their foreign policy why is

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that because they have largely the same

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foreign policy and that doesn't change

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no matter who you vote for and I think

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that's what makes Victoria nulan so

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illustrative let me ask you this I mean

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as Robbie just alluded to there does

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seem to be more energy emerging in this

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kind of new faction of the Republican

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party that is anti-interventionist at

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least in some respects I would say

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Ukraine but not Israel for the most part

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and I I do wonder if you see that as a

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shift away from this kind of

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uniform commitment to this kind of

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neocon ideology within the parties

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there's any possibility that there is a

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real movement of foot not just on the

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right but because of the burgeoning and

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growing uh opposition on the left to the

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war in Gaza or do you think that

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ultimately and perhaps the the outcome

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of the California Senate race is

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indicative of this that those kinds of

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interest will ultimately be subsumed

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into the party

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Machinery right I think it's actually a

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little bit of all of that I mean first

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of all you know you have California the

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one of the bluest states in the country

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and they not only elect Adam shiff who

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was support of the Iraq War but he was

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also the candidate endorsed by APAC for

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good reason he's probably the most

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steadfast supporter of Israel in at

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least the California delegation so you

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know you have an opportunity to pick

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whoever you want they're going to win

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the general election you have Katy

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Porter Barbara Lee and they chose Adam

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Schiff so I think that tells you a lot

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where the Democratic party is still on

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these issues but Israel is an

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interesting kind of switch in this

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because virtually the entire Republican

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party maybe with one or two exceptions

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are fanatical supporters of giving Aid

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to Israel in this war supporting Israel

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in this destruction of Gaza most of the

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democratic party is too although they're

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rhetorically at least resisting a little

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bit more and I do think that kind of

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shows the limits on this realignment

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namely that there are a lot of people on

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the right who still like Wars as long as

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they're not about help helping other

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countries become democracies or helping

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them improve their societies but if it's

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about obliterating someone they regard

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as enemies like Arabs and Palestinians

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and Muslims they still kind of get

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behind it that said there is more

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opposition on the right you know very

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prominent right-wing pundits like

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Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and a

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lot of others from that populist realm

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who do are who are now saying for the

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first time why are we paying for

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Israel's Wars how is that in our

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interest but there's also a lot of

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reawakened anti-war on the left as a

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result of this war in Gaza that I hope

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will Revitalize that on the left as well

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Glenn Greenwald uh excellent points

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thank you so much for joining us can't

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appreciate enough always good to see you

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guys

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thanks

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