HW News - Unstable Intel CPUs, New Ryzen CPUs, Legion Go "2," RGB Light Staining GPUs

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in the news this week we'll be talking

about RGB hardware and The Curious Case

of bleaching the back of video cards

with the light additionally Intel is

investigating 13th and 14th gen

stability issues in some games uh

further we'll be talking about the new

Lenovo Legion 2 Go discussion This Is

Something official it's not a rumor but

they didn't say much they basically said

we're working on a legion go to we'll

talk about that uh and AMD ryzen 9000

confirmed as the next mainstream desktop

CPU part but there's some additional

8,000 CPU SKS that just launched as well

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Intel's Raptor Lake CPUs and the refresh

the 13 and 14 series CPUs have had some

gaming inst stability complaints since

around when the 13 series launched uh

this was back in 2022 it's continued

till now ZD

net.cn 2 Lords of the Fallen Hogwarts

Legacy Horizon in OverWatch 2 and lies

of p and not long ago actually Adam from

PC World shout out to Adam contacted me

because he had questions about this he

thought that maybe they had stumbled

into this stability issue with one of

their recent builds for the staff we

haven't yet encountered the problem but

that might be because it's a mixture of

the game and the CPU itself so uh if

this is a CPU specific as in not just

the model or the skew but literally that

CPU Plus game combination that explained

why not everyone is seeing it we don't

test any of these games that I just

listed in our usual Suite but the

instability that broke the camel's back

is that a is that a thing I don't know

if that's really a thing but we're going

to go with it seems to be with Tekken 8

with the Korean ZDNet publication

reporting that numerous Korean PC Tekken

8 players have been seeing a not enough

video memory prompt which is affecting

owners of the 13 and 14 series cus these

issues have reportedly prompted over 10

of the CPUs to be returned in Korea

every day anecdotally that sounds like a

lot for a region but it's hard to really

know Intel moves massive volume but

definitely was enough to catch Intel's

attention so more than usual video

memory in theory should have little to

do with the CPU directly ultimately

though almost everything interacts with

the CPU at some level and crash prompts

are rarely precise it's not clear what's

causing these issues at this point but

it has prompted Intel to respond Intel

publicly stated that it's investigating

the issue however the company hasn't yet

given any indication as to if they have

a lead for the problem now when I spoke

with Adam from PC World previously this

was uh this might have been in December

January or something uh but we didn't

know yet if it was a a specific

instability issue or if it was something

else so some of the troubleshooting we

were trying was uh he had been

experimenting with CPU power limits uh I

gave him some guidance on undervolting

the CPU for Vore specifically walking

through frequency either overclocking or

downclocking basically things you would

do in a traditional overclocking

scenario to achieve stability or

undervolting scenario to achieve

stability and see if that helps to fix

the problem I'm sure they're talking

about this over there in in probably

their full nerd podcast if you want to

hear more about their experiences now we

may look into this if we find the time

and if we end up with a chip that has

problems we do have Tekken 8 and uh can

at least run it against the CPUs we have

here and see if it's anything super

obvious like immediate crashes your

input would Al help if you happen to

have these issues and you're pretty sure

it's not just your setup so if you've

overclocked then it might be your setup

but if you haven't you're running out of

box it would help to know really just

two things one is the motherboard the

other is the CPU actually three things

the third would be the game or the

application that causes the issue

that'll give us a little bit to work

with in the comments so as we do some

brief cursory checking uh we can we'll

basically just replicate your setups the

best we can and see if we we can get the

failure on one of our CPUs uh otherwise

our schedule's pretty slammed with some

other investigative pieces we're working

on right now so stay tuned for those

we'll see if we get to this it's not

looking good just because the schedule's

so packed but we'll do our best all

right next one is the Curious Case of

RGB Hardware the story is just kind of

fun so it is about RGB

Hardware uh will go with reportedly

staining video card back plates like

bleaching them most recently Americans

were reminded that staring into a solar

eclipse is not good for them or just

really staring at the sun in general but

there's news the human eye isn't the

only thing susceptible to light damage

Reddit user taii 93 posted an

interesting image of a video card that

looks like it has burn marks that may

have been derived from RGB lighting the

card purportedly belongs to taii 93's

brother and appears to be an MSI RTX 380

TI when we zoom in looking at the image

it looks like the card's back plate

still has a light projection on top of

it but it is outside of the case the

Reddit user claims it's not light

Reflection from other things in the room

either if it weren't weird enough two

days later Reddit user defected cat

posted an image of an MSI RTX 380

bearing remarkably similar markings

you've heard of Ray Trace graphics cards

before but this is ridiculous I someone

needs to get Jensen on the phone oh no

no defected cat posted another image of

of a different card within the case a

480 just showing how the gskill RGB Ram

lighting has some suspicious lighting

marks it's not clear if the aftermath

here is a result of something like maybe

UV light burn or just from more simple

uh light bleaching and we don't study

light emission or RGB LED staining of

back plates but when we were working on

the story I was trying to think of other

hobbies that might be heavily affected

by lighting stains with people who are

neurotic about protecting the things

that they collect and the first thing

that came to mind comic books also Funko

Pop collections I did some brief looking

around and it actually does appear that

lighting stains is a common complaint in

these spaces there were a number of

posts I ran across on Reddit and

elsewhere forums where some of the

collectors are talking about how their I

was going to say devices their uh

Collectibles were not in direct sunlight

and yet still got stained by the LED

lighting found in their shelving or

their display cases particularly when

left on 24/7 now this is with paper

products on those spaces or cardboards

and Plastics rather than Metals but just

from looking around it seems like some

of the enthusiasts in those spaces who

are really serious about displaying

their products either buy special LEDs

or put a UV filter over them similar to

what you might do with a camera lens and

I'm sure some of you are in that space

you can comment more Below on um if you

know anything about that but it does

look like it's a thing I guess is the

point we were just we're curious how

prevalent this might be putting our

detective hats on and trying to

illuminate the mystery behind the

illumination the G skill RGB Ram might

initially seem like the culprit and it

potentially could be in defected cat's

case well not not case but scenario but

this doesn't explain why the light marks

also appear in the photo shared by t93

whose brother reportedly used Corsair

Vengeance ramp the Common Thread between

the gpus is that they're both MSI cards

maybe it has something to do with the

way the back plate is coded or something

like that uh but the thing we're curious

about at this point well first of all

neither of the users the second one

didn't see the first one's post so it

was just a coincidence but what we'd

like to see is anything from you all so

if any of you have this I don't know if

it's fair to call it a problem or not

but if you've had this occur then email

tips

tips Gamers access.net with a photo of a

light stained device specifically from

RGB Lighting in your case and what we're

going to do is if we get any uh we'll

include them in next week's news recap

for some fun and who knows maybe maybe

we get something out of it but uh

realistically it just might be kind of

interesting and that's going to start in

the end of it take the take the device

out of your case or turn the case lights

off at least so it's clear that it's not

a reflection send it over we'll take a

look and who knows maybe there's a

common theme among them like the coding

quality of the back plate moving on WE

combined two AMD ryzen stories for this

one they're quick first amd's website

now officially mentions the ryzen 8000f

CPUs which are new additions to its

existing lineup of apus in 8000 series

The AMD r 78700 f CPU is a worldwide

launch the CPU is an 8 core 16 thread

solution with a base of 4.1 GHz and

boost of 5 GHz maximally the default TDP

is 65 Watts pcie generation is 4.0 not 5

5.0 and it has 20 tottal pcie lanes on

the CPU the architecture is zen4 memory

is still ddr5 and there's no integrated

graphics on these SKS and the also

posted it's R5 8400f CPU which is a six

core 123 variant of the otherwise

similar 8700 F clocks are lower as

expected TDP is still 65 Watts default

the other story is the 9000 Series

that's a desktop uh mainstream desktop

solution coming up should be Zen 5 in

theory and should be after com Tech

sometime which means after June or

somewhere in there Andy has had this

basically confirmed via a chipset driver

update so the appearance of the ryzen

9000 naming was in uh the chipset driver

update was spotted in a tweet and we've

been able to additionally confirm this

naming with some board partners of AMD

so it sounds like that's the route

they're going assuming the name sticks

our understanding from the current

rumors uh and from speaking with

Partners is that basically this 8,000

series is sticking around for things

like the 8700 F 8400f but otherwise the

actual Next Generation properly will be

on this 9,000 naming up next more battle

mage battle mage has been in the rumor

mill for a couple weeks now and normally

when there are this many leaks about a

product whether or not they're accurate

or true or precise it does tend to

indicate that there is actually

something on the way relatively soon now

this one is pretty straightforward so

according to German publication computer

based. de Intel is aiming to release its

battle mage gpus this fall the

publication notes that industry circles

at embedded World 2024 held in nberg

Germany have they say secretly divulged

in's plans to release before Black

Friday now for our International viewers

Black Friday is a celebrated and uh

highly respected holiday in America and

in fact it's our most sacred and

important holiday it's the holiday when

Americans turn into deal hungry zombies

they roam the streets looking for deals

smash their into stores and you know

it's it's better to show a clip we have

one from last

year where's your Christmas spirit

Intel's timing it right though Intel

engineer Tom Peterson had previously

stated he was hopeful that battle mage

would be out before CES 2025 and a

discussion with PC World and if this

rumor turns out to be true it would line

up with that hope from Intel some

commentary here Intel in the past with

Arc had this amazing opportunity to

strike while and viia and AMD prices

were either high or the gpus were just

not that available uh and they kind of

missed it they delayed into Oblivion and

getting Imperial Guard flashbacks stop

right there criminal scum they used that

time to work on drivers launched to uh

it was a bad launch it was really not

good and they've improved it in the two

or so years since uh hopefully for

Intel's sake this isn't too much of a

repeat they will have to contend with

the RTX 5000 series maybe amd's next

lineup if they ship too late the closer

they ship to those contenders the more

at risk Intel will be of having to fight

on value in ways that it might not want

to just because it'll chew into the

margin of that division so we'll see

they do need to ship sooner than later

but they also can't ship something

that's buggy and broken so tough place

to be for Intel they're going to have to

make a decision uh and a lot of that's

going to boil down to how much of the

arc Alchemist stuff just directly

sockets into battle mage to where it

doesn't have as many driver pains as

previously next one it's been only since

October that Lenovo launched its Legion

go handheld that we've reviewed more

recently than that and you should check

out that review if you haven't already

it's pretty pretty cool and there's some

latency testing in there but at the

company's recent innovat event Lenovo

talked about plans for a legion 2 this

is now it's the third well fourth

company uh in the handheld space that's

already talking about a Next Generation

and so steam when we talked with valve

they were talking about having

considered and thought about starting to

work on a steam deck 2 back when the

OLED was launching but they were clear

that they don't consider the OLED to be

a steam deck 2 Asus talked about working

on an Rog allly to sometime later this

year potentially and then MSI jumped the

gun and was like you know what you guys

have two we're going to have four that's

how many claws we're going to have that

makes us four times better than your

devices everyone's working on follow-ups

uh in a Roundtable discussion captured

by Chris Steed Lenovo stated that the

company is still working on making

updates to the original release now

unrelated to that event we can

definitely confirm that that's true

because when we were looking around on

lenovo's forums to try and figure out

some issues we were having with the

legion during the review process we saw

that they appeared to have one primary

maybe firmware developer uh who also

engages with the community and has been

enacting a lot of community requests

spee requests change and uh bug updat

uh directly which is actually pretty

cool it seems like the developer or

developers may have some level of

autonomy away from corporate and that's

awesome to see because that's what they

need to uh hastily update a new device

but anyway we've been impressed with how

frequently they've been taking Community

requests and implementing them as for

the news lenovo's recent statement was

this they said quote we are still

spending a lot of resources improving on

the current Legion go over the span of

the last six months since launch we have

unlocked from day one until now a lot

more experiences and there are still

engineering efforts to try and bring the

next wave of features to the product

it's definitely a category that we do

see potential in and we continue to

invest we're looking towards when the

time comes right of course having the

Next Generation to provide even more

features now one of the Marquee design

decisions that really separated the

legion go from its handheld PC

counterparts was the separable

controllers from its screen similar to

the Nintendo switch details are

non-existent on the next gen version

including an official name other than

they want to make one again you can

watch the review for our thoughts

overall on the device key areas we'd

like to see some improvement or maybe

just better leveraging some of the

Technologies they have would be working

on getting those separable controllers

in some way to uh work more natively as

dual controllers because it's

technically possible you can do it you

could definitely do it with button

remapping just kind of a pain uh but it

seems like barring some kind of Nintendo

intellectual property or something like

that something that Lenova could work

towards where as long as it's maybe a a

lower button input game I mean you don't

need a full controller you could

potentially have two people playing on

it uh of course you could also connect

an Xbox controller via Bluetooth and

then because they're separable you don't

have the other person blocking the

screen by holding the controller so

another area we'd like to see some

improvement is just some rigidity and

strength in the way the controllers

connect to the body there a little bit

of flex uh it doesn't seem to be a stru

structal issue just feels a little bit

lower quality than perhaps it could be

so that's another thing we'd like to see

them work on in Gen 2 all right up next

the chips Act is in the news again so uh

the chips and science act has now had

the US government announcing it's giving

away loads of money to Intel and now

tsmc for working on Fabs in the US and

uh the latest news is TM tsmc getting

11.6 billion in funding 5 billion of

which comes by the way of loans they're

also Distributing this money in the form

of incentives uh like taxes for example

now the backronym chips stands for

creating helpful incentives to produce

semiconductors would have loved to be in

the room in that acronym creation

meeting was it like commitment to

high-tech integrated production

subsidies

no catalyzing Hardware Industrial

Products and supplies

no creating helpful incentives to

produce semiconductors that's it

according to congress.gov the chips Act

was designed to quote carry out

activities relating to the creation of

incentives to produce semiconductors in

the United States end quote in this case

the fund will be used to construct three

semiconductor facilities in Arizona

according to Tom's Hardware quote tsmc

will build the third Fab module near its

Fab 21 Phase 1 which should start

production of chips using 4 nanometer

and 5 nanometer class process

Technologies in the first half of 2025

Toms added that Fab 21 Phase 2 is

scheduled to begin operations in 2028

making chips on 2 nanometer and 3

nanometer process Technologies they said

the third plant will likely use an even

more advanced fabrication process the US

has previously provided Intel funding

via the chips act as well with Intel

putting its billions of incentives

towards facilities also in Arizona

actually pretty close by to tsmc

relatively speaking and we visited the

Intel facilities we have as mentioned

before a huge tour video coming up with

tons of technical discussion experts and

including a tour of the construction

site that receives some of the funding

Intel's new facilities are Fab 52 and

Fab 62 our understanding is that is also

upfitting some of the other Fabs around

the us including in Ohio and Tom's

reported that tsmc has received more

substantial support from the chips act

than Intel thus far up according to a

new report by the New York Times Google

and open AI stand accused of using

YouTube data and Gathering it to train

their AI Solutions whether that's llms

or otherwise now Google owns YouTube uh

however the suggestion that was posed

here in this article was that improper

AI training might overstep Creator

copyrights and this would fuel ongoing

concerns of just the discussion about AI

stealing uh work of creatives and not

stating an opinion on that from our side

for now in open ai's case the company

created speech recognition tool whisper

that is supposed to uh transcribe audio

from YouTube videos to bolster its

capabilities the New York Times wrote

quote ultimately an open AI team

transcribed more than 1 million hours of

YouTube videos meanwhile we write why

didn't they just use the show transcript

button that YouTube already has

Checkmate open

AI you can send me an offer for that

idea via email maybe this is a thing

where they were like it's one step

removed we're not using YouTube tools we

built our own tools the new York Times

writes this quote some Google employees

were aware that open aai had harvested

YouTube videos for data to people with

knowledge of the company said but they

didn't stop open AI because Google had

also used transcripts of YouTube videos

to train its AI models as they said the

New York Times suggests that that

practice may have violated the

copyrights of YouTube creators so if

Google made a fuss about open AI there

might have been public outcry against

its own methods basically like the hall

monitor looking the other way when

someone's trying to skip class because

they're going to try and skip class

later now Google did have a response

they basically disputed this in a

statement Google said via the New York

Times that it's AI models are trained on

some YouTube content which was allowed

under agreements with YouTube creators

in a statement to the New York Times

Google also claims that it had no

knowledge of open AI practices and

prohibited unauthorized scraping or

downloading of YouTube content

ultimately all the AI companies right

now in the space are doing some form

of research that is not really fully

legal defined yet a lot of it's

operating in these gray areas uh and

that means there's going to be a lot of

dealing with potential repercussions

down the road but as usual if you're a

big enough Mega Corporation then the

fines will never be greater than what

you've profited uh so we'll we'll see

how this one develops all right last

one's pretty fun this is a modder making

a wristwatch out of a Raspberry Pi

actually super cool project love

covering these kinds of things it's the

last story in news because it highlights

creativity and cool ways to use Hardware

so here's the story as a learning

project Moder Kim Paulson has

constructed a watch out of a Raspberry

Pi replacing the need for an Apple

Watch with the raspberry one you see

according to Paulson the model in

particular is based on the rp240 chip

using Kad to design the circular PCB

which measures 28.5 mm in diameter

instead of physical hands to tell the

hours minutes and seconds the watch uses

RGB LEDs coupled with a battery I'm

looking forward to the RGB LED light

bleaching reports from that one it's

like in a few years is there just this

sort of ominous glow on your wrist where

the watch was probably not but I really

wanted to connect it to the other story

this means that in essence Paulson has

constructed a time machine using a

Raspberry Pi when ason Reddit about

battery life the modder stated that more

work needs to be done on the device and

wrote haven't tested much yet the LEDs

draw a lot even when not lit so not good

just happy it works we'll try to fit it

within a Ste steel case using the

largest battery I can find and

elaborating on upcoming refinements to

the watch the modder added that they're

thinking of using uh thinking of

diffusing the rain a bit with plastic

rains or paper because the LEDs are a

bit sharp super cool project though like

I said uh I love reading about these and

covering them Jimmy has fun finding them

when he's writing news Jeremy when he

writes episodes and uh it's just kind of

the reason I like it I think is because

it reminds me of getting into this stuff

where I had like those builded

home uh baby's first Electronics kit

type things and uh that's kind of

Raspberry Pi definitely goes down that

same route just with a lot more options

and capabilities so good work on the

watch fun to cover we'll look for

another one like this next time and

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