‘The Five’ reacts to ‘chilling’ chants from anti-Israel protesters in Michigan
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the political and social implications of a pro-Hamas rally in Dearborn, Michigan, where participants chanted 'Death to America.' It highlights the Biden administration's response to the situation in Israel, with various speakers expressing concerns about the administration's stance on Hamas and the treatment of American hostages. The conversation also touches on the broader issue of extremism within the context of U.S. military and domestic policies, emphasizing the importance of supporting Israel and the complexities of the Middle East conflict.
Takeaways
- 📢 Pro-Hamas protesters in Dearborn, Michigan chanted 'Death to America', indicating a rise in boldness among such groups.
- 🤔 There is a perceived tactical disagreement between President Biden and Prime Minister Netanyahu regarding military actions in Gaza.
- 🏛️ Questions are raised about the White House's consistency in supporting Israel's efforts against Hamas, especially in the context of domestic political pressure.
- 🗣️ Concerns are expressed about the lack of public awareness and action regarding Americans held in Israel, and the absence of a clear political strategy.
- 🔍 A discussion on the effectiveness of the Defense Department's investigation into right-wing extremism in the military, which cost a million dollars.
- 🚨 The FBI's role in investigating threats such as 'Death to America' is questioned, with a focus on the difference between free speech and actionable threats.
- 🏙️ The conversation highlights the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, emphasizing that the pro-Palestinian movement is seen by some as aiming to destroy Israel rather than seeking a two-state solution.
- 🌍 The lack of support from Arab countries to take in refugees from the conflict is criticized, highlighting the integration of Hamas with civilians as a complicating factor.
- 🤝 The importance of a unified and clear stance on supporting Israel's right to self-defense is emphasized, tying it to the legacy of the Holocaust.
- 🗣️ There is a call for an honest conversation about American interests, exit strategies, and the importance of Israel's security for the U.S.
- 🌐 The script reflects on the state of domestic unrest and political division in the United States, with a warning against the spread of such unrest.
Q & A
What event is being discussed in the context of Joe Biden's low approval ratings?
-The discussion revolves around the political fallout from the handling of a terror attack that occurred six months prior, with a focus on the administration's stance on Hamas and the implications for the upcoming election.
What disagreement is mentioned between President Biden and Prime Minister Netanyahu?
-The disagreement is about Netanyahu's decision to go into Rafah, with Biden urging for humanitarian aid and the safe movement of civilians before the final stage of the ground campaign.
What is the significance of the 'two-state solution' mentioned in the script?
-The 'two-state solution' refers to a potential political resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which is being discussed in the context of electoral strategies in Michigan and Nevada.
Why is the lack of public awareness about Americans held in Israel considered problematic?
-The lack of awareness is seen as problematic because it suggests a disconnect between the government's actions and public sentiment, potentially leading to a lack of pressure on Israel to resolve the situation.
What was the outcome of the investigation into right-wing extremism in the military?
-The Department of Defense report found no evidence of disproportionate extremism within the military, despite the investigation costing almost a million dollars.
What is the stance of the speakers on the pro-Palestinian movement?
-The speakers argue that the pro-Palestinian movement is not a humanitarian one but rather a movement aimed at the destruction of Israel, with the ultimate goal of a one-state solution where Israel ceases to exist.
Why is the lack of Arab countries offering to take refugees from Gaza seen as hypocritical?
-It is considered hypocritical because the refugees are Arabs, and the speakers argue that the refusal to take them in is based on political motivations rather than humanitarian concerns.
What is the Powell Doctrine and how does it relate to the discussion?
-The Powell Doctrine is a set of principles outlined by General Colin Powell for military intervention, focusing on the risks, interests, exit strategy, and broad support. It is brought up in the context of evaluating the administration's approach to supporting Israel.
What is the significance of the phrase 'Death to America' being chanted at a rally?
-The phrase 'Death to America' is seen as a direct threat and form of extremism, with the speakers questioning why such actions are not being addressed or investigated by law enforcement agencies.
How does the speaker, Greg, connect the defense of Israel to the legacy of the Holocaust?
-Greg argues that defending Israel is a moral imperative linked to the legacy of the Holocaust, suggesting that support for Israel is a way to honor the memory of those who suffered and to prevent such atrocities from happening again.
What is the concern expressed about the impact of leftism on American cities?
-The concern is that leftism has led to the creation of 'islands of unrest' in American cities, where laws are discarded and division becomes the norm, ultimately undermining the values of assimilation, free speech, and cooperation.
Outlines
🗣️ Political Tensions and Middle East Conflict
This paragraph discusses the political climate surrounding President Joe Biden's administration, particularly in relation to the conflict with Hamas and the perceived pro-Hamas sentiment in the United States. It highlights the chanting of 'Death to America' at a rally in Dearborn, Michigan, and questions Biden's initial strong support for Israel's efforts against Hamas. The conversation touches on the tactical disagreements between Biden and Prime Minister Netanyahu, the potential impact on the upcoming election, and the lack of international pressure on Israel to release American hostages. The paragraph also expresses concern over the potential rise of right-wing extremism within the military, referencing a costly investigation that found no evidence of disproportionate extremism.
🌍 International Relations and Refugee Crisis
The second paragraph delves into the complexities of the refugee crisis in the Middle East, questioning why neighboring Arab countries are not accepting Palestinian refugees. It points out the integration of Hamas within the civilian population and the challenges this poses for humanitarian aid and military operations. The discussion includes the historical context of World War II and the bombing of Germany, highlighting the double standards in how different conflicts are perceived and handled. The paragraph also addresses the frustration within the administration over the lack of progress in releasing hostages and the growing criticism of Israel's actions. The importance of supporting Israel's right to defend itself, especially in light of the Holocaust, is emphasized.
🇺🇸 Domestic Unrest and the Erosion of Values
This paragraph focuses on the internal unrest and division within the United States, drawing parallels with the conflict in Gaza. It criticizes the rejection of assimilation, free speech, and cooperation as American values, and instead highlights the rise of identity politics and division. The speaker argues that leftism encourages such behavior, leading to a hardening of societal attitudes rather than a melting pot of unity. The paragraph also touches on the perception of xenophobia when praising one's own country or criticizing others, and the need for a change in conversation to address these issues. The speaker calls for adults to take charge and steer the country away from the current path of division and unrest.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Joe Biden
💡Hamass
💡Two-State Solution
💡Anti-Semitism
💡Political Strategy
💡Humanitarian Aid
💡Civilians
💡Right-Wing Extremism
💡Hostages
💡Leftism
💡Assimilation
Highlights
Pro-Hamas crowd in Dearborn, Michigan chants 'Death to America' at a rally.
Biden's administration perceived as soft on Hamas by commentators.
Discussion on Biden's approach to Israel and Hamas, highlighting a shift in strategy.
The debate over the political impact of Biden's policies on Michigan and Nevada.
Concerns raised about lack of public awareness of Americans held in Israel.
Criticism of the Biden administration's response to right-wing extremism in the military.
Discussion on the free speech implications of chanting 'Death to America'.
Debate over the nature of the protest movement for Palestinians being not just humanitarian but political.
Observations on the international reluctance to accept refugees from Gaza.
Mention of a significant investment in investigating extremism within the military with no substantial findings.
Reflection on the application of the Powell Doctrine to the situation in Israel and Gaza.
Frustration with the Biden administration's handling of the Israel-Hamas conflict.
The role of public and international support in determining the U.S. stance on Israel.
Concerns about the impact of 'Death to America' chants on U.S. foreign policy and domestic security.
The need for a clear policy and principled stance on Israel's security and the broader Middle East conflict.
Transcripts
>> AND OTHER LOW FOR JOE BIDEN'S
AMERICA.
THE PRO-HAMAS CROWD FEELS
EMBOLDENED ENOUGH TO CHANT
"DEATH TO AMERICA" WHILE HOLDING
A RALLY IN DEARBORN, MICHIGAN.
[SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE]
>> Jesse: THE ANTI-ECKSTEIN
AGITATORS GETTING
UP --
IT LOOKS LIKE THE LEFT PRESSURE
CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN WORKING.
BIDEN HAS BEEN CAVING.
SIX MONTHS SINCE THE TERROR
ATTACK.
DEMOCRATS ARE ALSO GOING SOFT ON
HAMAS.
>> Dana: THE PRESIDENT
INITIALLY SAID HE WAS ROCK SOLID
IN SUPPORT OF THE 16'S EFFORTS
HERE.
HAVE THE PROTESTERS WON AT THE
WHITE HOUSE?
>> Jesse: NO, I THINK THIS IS
A TACTICAL DISAGREEMENT THAT
BEGAN WITH PRIME MINISTER
NETANYAHU INSISTING HE WOULD GO
INTO RAFAH.
I BELIEVE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS
BEEN SAYING TO PRIME MINISTER
NETANYAHU, BEFORE YOU TRY TO
FINISH THE JOB AGAINST THE 17TH,
MAKE SURE YOU ALLOW FOR
HUMANITARIAN AID AND FOR THOSE
CIVILIANS TRAPPED IN RAFAH TO
MOVE OUT OF THE WAY BEFORE YOU
CAN DOCK THIS LAST STAGE OF THE
GROUND CAMPAIGN.
THE TWO WEATHERS JOE BIDEN
STRATEGY?
>> Dana: I DON'T KNOW ACTUALLY
WHO STARTED THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO TO CREDIT.
IT WAS THAT BIDEN HAS A NEW
TWO-STATE SOLUTION, MICHIGAN AND
NEVADA.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS
HAPPENING ESPECIALLY IN MICHIGAN
IS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WORRIED
THAT IF HE DOESN'T WIN MICHIGAN,
HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN THE
ELECTION.
YOU HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE IN
MICHIGAN SAYING, WE ARE NOT
GOING TO BE EXCITED ABOUT
JOE BIDEN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE GOING
TO VOTE FOR TRUMP, BUT THEY
MIGHT STAY HOME FOR THERE ARE A
LOT OF JEWISH AMERICANS WHO LIVE
IN PENNSYLVANIA.
I CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE POLITICAL
STRATEGY OR THE PRINCIPAL.
WHAT IS THE PRINCIPLED STAND?
WHY DON'T WE ALL KNOW ALL THE
NAMES OF ALL THE AMERICANS ARE
BEING HELD IN ISRAEL?
THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM.
THERE'S NO POSTERS.
THERE IS NO PRESSURE PUT ON
ISRAEL TO SAY, EVERYTHING WENT
END IN 5 MINUTES IF YOU RELEASE
TO THE HOSTAGES.
THAT IS A CONFUSING THING TO ME.
I THINK IT IS CHILLING TO LISTEN
TO THESE FOLKS IN DEARBORN, TALK
"DEATH TO AMERICA."
I JUST WANTED TO LOOK IT UP.
YOU WILL REMEMBER AFTER
JANUARY 6, LLOYD AUSTIN, THE
DEFENSE SECRETARY AND JOE BIDEN,
THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
RIGHT-WING EXTREMISM IN THE
MILITARY.
THEY SPENT ALMOST A MILLION
DOLLARS ON AN INVESTIGATION TO
FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN
THE MILITARY WERE SYMPATHETIC TO
WHAT THEY WOULD CALL
INSURRECTIONIST.
ON JANUARY 2ND OUT OF 2024, ALL
THESE YEARS LATER, HARDLY EVER
GOT A MENTION.
GREG DID A MONOLOGUE ON THAT.
DOD REPORT FINDS NO EVIDENCE OF
DISPROPORTIONATE EXTREMISM
WITHIN THE MILITARY.
A MILLION DOLLARS ON
INVESTIGATION THAT WAS
RIDICULOUS.
YOU DON'T HEAR THEM SAY ANYTHING
ABOUT THIS.
>> Greg: OF THOSE CHANCE OF
"DEATH TO AMERICA," IS NOT
ACTIONABLE?
AND THE FBI GOING TO START AN
INVESTIGATION?
>> Judge Jeanine: THE FBI CAN
INVESTIGATE ANYONE THEY WANT.
THEY INVESTIGATED THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH.
NO, IT IS FREE SPEECH.
IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU ARE GOING
TO CHANT "DEATH TO AMERICA"
"DEATH TO ISRAEL."
WHY NOT ACT ON THAT IF YOU DON'T
LIKE AMERICA, WHY NOT ACT ON
YOUR HATRED FOR AMERICA?
THIS ISN'T JUST PROTESTING.
THIS PROTEST MOVEMENT ALLEGEDLY
FOR THE PALESTINIANS IS NOT A
HUMANITARIAN MOVEMENT.
IT IS AN ILLUMINATION THIS
MOVEMENT.
BY THAT, I MEAN, IT IS A
MOVEMENT TO DESTROY ISRAEL.
IT IS FROM THE RIVER TO BEEN
SEEN.
THEY DON'T WANT A TWO-STATE
SOLUTION.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF MICHIGAN AND
PENNSYLVANIA.
I HEARD MICHIGAN-MINNESOTA.
I DON'T WANT A TWO-STATE
SOLUTION.
THEY WANT A ONE-STATE SOLUTION.
THEY WANT ALL OF ISRAEL GONE.
WE SEEM TO FORGET THAT IT WAS
HAMAS THAT STARTED THIS.
IT WAS HAMAS THAT KILLED 31
AMERICANS.
IT IS HAMAS THAT HAS OVER 250
HOSTAGES INCLUDING FIVE
AMERICANS.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, JOE BIDEN
IS GUNG HO FROM THE GET-GO.
NOW HE'S SLOWING DOWN OBVIOUSLY
BECAUSE OF THE POLITICS OF IT
ALL.
IT IS AMAZING THAT NO ARAB
COUNTRY WOULD STAND UP AND SAY,
I WILL TAKE THESE REFUGEES.
THEY REASON THAT THEY DON'T WANT
NETANYAHU TO GO INTO SOUTHERN
GAZA IS BECAUSE THERE ARE A
MILLION CIVILIANS, AND I GENTLY
CIVILIANS AT THE RAFAH GAUGE
RIGHT AT THE BORDER OF EGYPT.
EGYPT WON'T TAKE THEM.
JORDAN DOESN'T WANT THEM.
SYRIA DOESN'T WANT THEM.
LEBANON DOESN'T WANT THEM.
THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
THEY ARE ARABS TOO.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THESE PEOPLE?
WHAT IT IS A IS THE FACT THAT
HAMAS IS INTEGRATED INTO THE
CIVILIANS.
THAT IS WHY THEY ARE STILL ONE
BIG GRADE, THOUSANDS OF ISRAELI
TROOPS STILL THERE.
THEY ARE MAKING SURE THAT THEY
ARE IN A POSITION TO REACT.
THIS EXCUSE THAT WELL, WE ARE
TRYING TO WORK IN THE
HUMANITARIAN AID.
THINK ABOUT IT, JESSE.
AND WHAT WAR HAVE YOU EVER SEEN
ONE SIDE BEING REQUIRED TO
PROVIDE FOOD, HUMANITARIAN AID,
AND CARE TO THE OTHER SIDE TO
STOP THE WAR SO WE CAN GO IN AND
TAKE CARE?
WHEN WE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN A CIVILIAN AND HAMAS.
WHEN WE AND THE ALLIED FORCES
BOMBED GERMANY AND KILLED
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
GERMANS, WE DIDN'T SAY, OH, MY
GOD, THEY ARE CIVILIANS, WAR IS
WAR.
IT IS.
ON THE SUN, THESE PEOPLE WHO
WANT DEATH TO AMERICA ALL OF A
SUDDEN, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO
ARE PULLING BACK JOE BIDEN --
WHICH IS NOTHING MORE MUSIC TO
THE EARS OF HAMAS AND IRAN.
>> Jesse: HAROLD FORD JR.
>> WHEN I THINK ABOUT THESE
THINGS AND THEY HEAR EVERYTHING
THAT THE JUDGE SAID.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH A LOT OF
IT.
I THINK ABOUT IT THE WAY THAT
THE LATE GENERAL POWELL,
SECRETARY POWELL TALKED ABOUT
THE DOCTRINE.
HIS BIRTHDAY WAS APRIL 5TH.
HE TALKED ABOUT THE RISK IN THE
INTEREST AS A PART OF THAT
DIALOGUE.
THE LAST THREE PIECES DEALT WITH
IS THERE A PLAUSIBLE EXIT
STRATEGY?
IS THERE BROAD AMERICAN SUPPORT
OR AMERICAN PEOPLE SUPPORT FOR
WHAT WE ARE DOING?
DO WE HAVE BROAD INTERNATIONAL
SUPPORT?
OR A LOT OF THE REASONS THAT THE
JUDGE MENTIONED ARE THE REASON
IS THAT I SUPPORT ISRAEL'S
EFFORTS AND HAVE UNEQUIVOCALLY
AND UNCONDITIONALLY SINCE
OCTOBER 7TH, SINCE THE AFTERNOON
OF OCTOBER 7TH.
WE FOUND OURSELVES NOW IN THIS
WEIRD SPOT.
ONE OF THE FRUSTRATIONS ON THE
PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS
BEEN THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT
THERE HAS BEEN SOME REAL
MOVEMENT AND AGREEMENT TO
RELEASE THE HOSTAGES.
HAMAS HAS -- TO BE RELEASED FOR
THE HOSTAGES.
JUST KNOWING THE NAMES OF THE
AMERICAN HOSTAGES COULD BE VERY
USEFUL TO HELP ONE OR TWO OF
THESE QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE
POWELL DOCTRINE.
I THINK THE GROWING FRUSTRATION
FOR THE ADMINISTRATION IS THAT
THEY HAVE SEEN A RAFT WITH THEM
AND NETANYAHU GROW BIGGER AND
BIGGER.
SOME ARE COMPLAINING THAT WITH
SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL.
YOU HAVE THIS CRAZINESS IN
MICHIGAN.
I HAD DISAGREE WITH YOU.
WE HAVE FOUND WAYS TO
INVESTIGATE PEOPLE IN THE
COUNTRY.
THEY SHOULD FIND WAYS TO
INVESTIGATE ANYBODY "DEATH TO
AMERICA" 8 TIMES AT A RALLY.
THE PREMISE SEEMS TO BE AGAINST
FOREIGN POLICY.
PEOPLE WHO GO TO SCHOOL BOARD
MEETINGS RIGHTLY SO WERE ACTING
OUT AGAINST ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WE SHOULD BE DOING THE SAME
RIGHT HERE.
I NEVER THOUGHT I 53 YEARS OLD,
BEING ELECTED THAT WE WOULD FIND
OURSELVES IN THE MOMENT WHERE
YOU S FORMAT POLICY WAS NOT
OUTLINED WHEN THEY CAME TO
SECURING ISRAEL.
WE'VE GOT TO FIND OUR WAY BACK
TO A MUCH BETTER SPOT THAN WE
ARE IN.
ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO IT TO
ENSURE THAT THIS "DEATH TO
AMERICA" THING DOES NOT CONTINUE
IN THAT WE HAVE AN HONEST
CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR INTEREST
ON THE EXIT STRATEGY AND WHAT WE
DO TO SECURE AND WHY ISRAEL
SECURITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO OUR
OWN.
>> Jesse: YOU LOOK GREAT FOR
53.
CONGRATULATIONS.
>> Greg: I DISAGREE.
I LOOK GREAT.
>> Jesse: YOU LOOK GREAT.
WE ALL LOOK GREAT.
>> Greg: IT TOOK US A LONG
TIME TO MOVE ON.
I USE THAT PHRASE PROBABLY
LOOSELY TO MOVE ON FROM 9/11.
WE REMEMBER DAD TO EVERY SINGLE
DAY, EVERY SINGLE DAY WE BUILT
AND WE DID EVERYTHING.
6 MONTHS HENCE OCTOBER 7TH, AND
HISTORY IS ALREADY HISTORY.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE
ALREADY DENYING WHAT WENT ON.
IT HAS GOTTEN IN MANY MINDS
SMALLER AND SMALLER.
THEIR RESPECT FOR WHAT ISRAEL IS
DOING IS GETTING SMALLER.
IT IS NOT ISRAEL'S FAULT.
YOUR RESPECT FOR WHAT ISRAEL
DOES IS RELATED TO THE LEGACY OF
THE HOLOCAUST.
IF YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVED THAT
SINCE THE HOLOCAUST, ISRAEL HAS
A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF, THEN
THIS IS THE MOMENT TO PROVE IT.
IF EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT
ISRAEL IN THE PAST, AND NOW YOU
ARE CRITICIZE THEM, THEN NOTHING
YOU SAID WAS WORTH IT.
IT IS SUPPOSED TO MATTER NOW.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO MATTER IN
SKIRMISHES OR WHEN THERE SOME
KIND OF POLITICAL BEEF OR AN
ELECTION.
IT IS ABOUT WHEN IT ACTUALLY
COMES -- WHICH IT DID ON OCTOBE.
IF ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE
SAYING, YOU GUYS SHOULD SLOW
DOWN.
A LITTLE HUMANITARIAN, THEN YOU
ARE NOT RESPECTING THE LEGACY OF
THE HOLOCAUST.
THIS IS WHERE IT COUNTS, YOU
KNOW.
I GET THE IMPRESSION WITH THE
"DEATH TO AMERICA" STUFF.
WE ARE ON A SLOW ROLL TOWARD OUR
OWN LITTLE GAZAS.
THESE LITTLE ISLANDS OF UNREST
IN THE COUNTRY.
THESE WERE PLACES THAT WERE
SACRIFICED TO LEFTISM.
LEFTISMS, WHERE LAWS WERE
DISCARDED.
IDENTITY AND DIVISION BECAME THE
CURRENCY.
LOOK AT MINNEAPOLIS IS
GEORGE FLOYD.
NEVER THE SAME.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE A MELTING
POT.
THAT REQUIRES MELTING.
INSTEAD OF WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS
HARDENING.
IT IS A HARDENING.
WE ARE ALWAYS ACCUSED OF
XENOPHOBIA IF WE EXALT OUR
COUNTRY'S AWESOMENESS OR MAKE
FUN OF ANOTHER COUNTRY'S
CUSTOMS.
FAIR ENOUGH.
I GET IT.
IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.
IF YOU COME HERE AND REJECT
ASSIMILATION, FREE SPEECH,
COOPERATION WITH PEOPLE THERE.
YOU, THOSE ARE OUR VALUES.
IF YOU REJECT THEM, YOU ARE ZINE
OF OHMIC AND ANTI-AMERICAN.
IT'S NOT ILLEGAL.
WHY ARE WE RESPECTING IT AND
ENCOURAGING IT?
LEFTISM ENCOURAGES THE SORT OF
BEHAVIOR.
IT'S TIME FOR THE ADULTS TO
ENTER THE ROOM AND BASICALLY
CHANGE THE CONVERSATION OR THESE
CITIES ARE GON
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