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video I've had an idea of something I've

wanted to do for a while that I'm

finally going to get to do and I brought

the

truck because I need to make sure I have

enough room to bring all of it home

because what I want to do is I want to

show I I've talked about ways you can

waste money when building a computer

it's easy to waste money accident even

so what we're going to do is I've picked

a a tier of Parts where they're

basically the same so an i7 40 14700 k

um z790 motherboards the same 4070 TI

super tier of graphics card the same

amount of ram the same amount of storage

the same size power supply but what I've

done is with the exception of the case

and the CPU which are identical we are

going to be taking a top tier build

where we overspend on a motherboard and

we overspend on the graphics card and we

overspend on the RAM and we overspend on

the storage and we go topof the line on

that stuff and actually not quite as

topof the line as we could have with

like the motherboard I think the board I

chose was like 600 something bucks where

I could have gone as high as like $1,200

for the motherboard which is already

stupid even for a I9 processor and then

we're going to take the same

classification of Parts but at the more

entry level price point still sticking

with like a z7 90 chipset which to be

honest we could even go lower than that

if we wanted but then what we're going

to do is we're going to build the

systems and we're going to show you side

by side how much they cost and how much

performance you really do or

foreshadowing don't gain by overspending

on your parts so let's go inside right

now I'm going to grab the parts we'll

lay them out here on the bed of the

truck and we'll show you it it's kind of

eye opening how different the price

points are because let's just say you

could build another mid-tier computer

for the savings between one and the

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other okay so we got both our builds

here we'll kind of go over the expensive

build first yeah it may look like it's

sponsored by Asus remember this is

Microcenter stuff I just can't help it

that they're the most most expensive

Brands really we could have gone with

like an MSI Godlike but we didn't on

purpose because like I said a $1,300

motherboard or 12,200 whatever it is is

ridiculous so I went with the maxus z790

dark hero motherboard that came in at

$57 $9 for a motherboard like I said

they're both 14700 K the 14700 K here

was $369 at micr Center Ram I went with

uh was 339 bucks it's 32 GB of

6600 uh ddr5 from Corsair it's the

Dominator titanium they're it's

beautiful Ram but you know it's again

very expensive for storage we went with

a two terab drives for both this is the

t700 from crucial the t700 pro extremely

fast Drive um again kind of expensive

though cuz it is a top tier product that

came in at

$399 for that 2 TB Drive um yeah that's

what it came in at so anyway for power

supply we th000 watt for both of these

builds I wanted to build in some

additional Headroom for power usage in

the future so 1,000 Watts I thought was

good because we could step up from a

4070 TI super to a 4080 super 4090 in

the future maybe whatever next gen going

to your connector GPU ends up being but

that's the Thor 1000 wat platinum and

that costs and I always ignore the

stickers because it's never rings up at

that price $359 okay well that's what

the sticker said so

whatever and then for the cooler the

most expensive AIO I could find for 360

was the ryogen 360 argb and this uh came

in

at

$349 so that was a correct price on

there both of these builds are using

NZXT H9 cases I've got two of those

right here it's the flow for better air

flow they're in Black that's

$159 you can place hold that for any

case cost that you want so as long as

you factor in $100 $150 $200 whatever

your case is going to be um it's just a

box to Hold Your Parts and needs to have

good air flow that's what I chose

because I like the H9 flow so what was

the total on this this build came to a

grand total before tax of $3,429

and

92 the fact that we could spend

$3500 before tax or

$3,695 after tax and not have a 4080 and

not have an I9 shows you there was some

extremely inefficient use of funds so

let's look at the other build fun fact

this is how I fold paper this is how

Phil folds paper so I just thought to

point that out but anyway okay so again

the same i7 14700 K right there so that

was

$369 as we already know uh for the Ram

or excuse me for the motherboard on this

one I chose again a z790 udac from uh

gigabyte the ud brand has been around

for a long time in terms of like

gigabytes

portfolio now I use it all the way back

with like FX processors and AMD it's

always performed well so as long as we

keep the BIOS and stuff updated um it's

going to definitely give us better bang

for the buck that came in at

$169.99 versus the other one

$579 so as you can see there's a $400

$420 savings right there uh so for Ram

again I've got crucial right here this

is the ddr5 pro I love it it's no frills

there's no RGB or anything on there it's

just solid nand Micron uh chips in there

obviously cuz it's crucial 5600 uh megga

transfers per second CL 46 it's a good

set of ram it's plenty fast 5600 is more

than fast enough for most people uh and

that came in at a grand total of $159

you could save money if you want with a

32 gig and 32 gigs probably more than

enough for anybody but in this instance

I wanted to take on the position of the

buyer that's trying to build himself

like most people shopping in the $2,500

price point would be like a dream PCC

that's a lot of money so let's make sure

we get good parts and not completely go

bottom budget but feel like we have

parts that are going to last us for a

while so it's not the base 4,800 it's

5600 you could probably even push that a

little bit higher if you wanted our

drive is a 2 TB Samsung 970 Evo plus it

is a gen 3 Drive the other Drive is a

Gen 5 12,400 MBT per second this is

3,500 mby per second clearly it's one

quarter the speed of the other Drive

unfortunately most people are never

going to notice that speed difference

because it's very rare that you're ever

transferring files that are large enough

for that speed to really ever show and

when you're loading like textures and

stuff in games it's pulling a lot of

small files from different locations

you're very rarely going to notice a

difference between these two drives so I

would personally save some money going

gen 3 or maybe Gen 4 over a Gen 5 if

you're shopping at this price point this

drive cost us $239 you can even save

more money by going even lower spec if

you wanted by going say with the

in-house Inland brand uh or just a

smaller drive so again large enough

drives that we're not going to fill it

too quickly fast enough drives that

we're not going to feel like it's

slowing down our system we've talked

about how drives can be the number one

way to speed up a slow system especially

if you're still on a hard drive for some

odd

reason uh okay so that was actually a

little bit more expensive than I think I

personally should have gone but when you

see the price difference at the end

you'll still see we're doing all right

uh for our power

supply there goes our processor what is

it with j and dropping processors anyway

this is the pq1 m 880 plus gold modular

power supply from Deep cool deep cool is

a brand that's really been kind of

making uh well I guess making some waves

in the industry if you will they've got

a lot of really good products at

competitive price points so that's again

the th000 watt modular it's going to

give us all the same uh compatibility we

need for our graphics card to have a lot

of Headroom in the future and I think

this one might even be a PCI E5 uh with

a PCI E5 cable I can't remember if it

doesn't that will sort of suck but um

actually don't think this one has a Gen

5 we'll see when I open it up otherwise

we'll just have to use an adapter that's

going to stink but you can always change

a single cable easier than the whole

power supply and considering this cost

cost us

$129 versus the Thor's

$359 I feel like it was a fair trade and

then I think that's pretty much it again

the same case oh the graphics card of

course so for graphics card the Zotac

470 TI super Trinity Black Edition this

is an MSRP card at$ 799 uh versus the uh

MSI gaming X slim which was uh

$879 so it is a $70 cheaper

card I think a lot of people myself

included expected this to be an area to

easily spend way too much money and get

very little for it I I don't think

that'll happen until you get up into

like the 4080 super plus range because

you have a bigger gap between cards and

then last but not least we have our

cooler Cooler Master Master liquid

Master maker 360 core maker Master RGB

Master cooler maker it's a $99 360 AIO

nothing super special um but still going

to give us enough cooling to where we

can get full Boost clocks out of our CPU

as long as we want to hold those boost

clocks so what was the total on this one

before tax 2,1 $29 so a difference of

exactly $1,300 actually it's $

22992 versus $ 3429 92 exactly the same

sents that's weird so exactly $1,300

difference or another computer

difference worth of cost because we

could easily have bought and built like

a 14600 system with a uh even the same

motherboard if we wanted and a like a

4060 and a 1 TB drive and an 800 W power

supply and a case and everything for

that extra money so ask yourself is it

worth spending that much money for a

system when you could have bought made

two systems for the same price let's go

build them and put them side by side and

see

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okay so the computers are built as you

can see we've got the prices there 3429

versus 2129 from this angle you can see

they actually don't look really any

different the Lesser expensive PC

doesn't look any less like quality like

sometimes you go base bottom line PC uh

they look that way this still looks like

a high-end PC let's start with some CPU

tests here so our I'm going to say cheap

PC I don't mean cheap it's just cheaper

okay our cheaper PC here and Center

bench uh R23 multicore was a

34505 that's actually really high cuz a

30 a 13 or excuse me a 14900 K hits like

38,000 so it's actually really close to

that and the only difference between the

two CPUs honestly is there's more EC Cor

with an I9 versus an i7 otherwise there

the same PE cor count uh so

34505 versus a

35977 so about a 1,400 Point difference

there or one oh excuse me a 4.3%

difference now single core a 2171 on the

cheaper PC versus a 2210 on the one on

the uh expensive PC at a 1.8% difference

there um cinebench r24 2052 on the

cheaper versus is 20080 on the more

expensive that's probably a more

realistic side-by-side comparison in

real world performance because r24

actually does different types of

instructions in that test and different

loads on different cores rather than

just hammering all the cores and P cores

and E cores as hard as it can um so it

gives you a more realistic separation in

performance between the two so 1.4%

difference in performance now single

core on the cheaper PC was a 128 versus

a 131 or 2.3% difference there we also

use geek bench uh six for this one free

test so if you also these tests are free

that we're mentioning here so you can go

and download them and compare them to

your own system if you're just curious

as to how these prices stacked up versus

your build uh geekbench 6 on the cheaper

PC was a 2,9

$2,987 on multicore versus a

2,578 on the more expensive PC uh for a

difference of

2.8% and then single core performance

$29.99 on cheaper versus 3112 on more

expensive for a difference of 3.8% so

you can see we're really low on the

percentage differences here now let's

talk about why they would be different

even though they're the exact same CPU

we have two different manufacturers of

motherboards here with two different

Logics on how they're going to take

advantage of Intel allowing higher

Headroom and power table frequency

charts you know power versus frequency

curve or the VF curve um or voltage

curves and all that between the two

motherboards Asus as we know is very

aggressive so the Asus motherboard here

still has the out of the box bios we did

not update the BIOS because I did not

want to put into effect right

now some of the newer bios that have

come out since we've talked about the

BIOS being too aggressive they sort of

went the other direction now the voltage

is too low and CPUs are crashing because

there's not enough voltage so it's kind

of the other direction now so we just

went out of the box um so the enhanced

multi or multi-core enhancement or let

bios optimize settings that are on on

Asus is more aggressive in terms of

allowing more power more temperature

Headroom and more importantly a a longer

thermal velocity boost which means we're

holding the core clocks higher even

though it's only going to 5.5 which is

the outof thebox settings for all core

uh higher and longer on the Asus board

than the gigabyte board now the gigo

gigabyte board does have the enhanced

features also on but they're not nearly

as aggressive as Asus is because it's a

completely different tier of motherboard

which is the whole point of this video

but was $16 motherboard versus a

$579 motherboard I think that was a

price does that weren't 3% at the most

on performance I think 4% is what we saw

in like a single core in one of them uh

no it was 4.3% on Center bench R23 for

allore CU it was significantly more

expensive than 4.3% it was like 300%

more expensive for that one part so we

could easily go in because this is a k

skube CPU we could easily go in there

and overclock the board a little bit or

just enable a longer longer thermal

velocity boost timer if we wanted and

easily match the performance but out of

the box built XMP turned on on both

boards so we're talking like 6600 versus

I think it was 5600 on the ram okay

let's talk about gaming cuz this is

obviously going to be where the two SKS

definitely compare to each other Port

Royal on the cheaper PC was a 15,590

versus the more expensive PCS 15,776 or

a whopping

1.2% difference so cyberpunk 2077 the

cheaper PC and 1080p gave us 127 .45 FPS

versus the more expensive PCS

131.8 or

2.9% FPS difference so 1440p on the

cheaper PC uh was

10599 versus the more expensive PCS

10987 for an even more narrow difference

of

3.7% we also tested f123 a new title for

us I didn't test that yet but I just

paid 70 bucks for today cuz I wanted to

include it in today's test even though

F1 2024 comes out in literally just a

few days from now and I still had to pay

$70 for the old version even though the

new one is available for pre- purchase

right now at the same 70 bucks first of

all why the is it 70 bucks why are

games 70 bucks now 1080p on the cheaper

PC was 178 1080p on the more expensive

PC was 182 for a whopping difference of

2.2% or 4 FPS uh 1440p 143 versus 146

for a difference of

2.1% okay let's talk about why some of

those performance differences even exist

if the parts are identical well let's go

ahead and do some live stuff so you can

see what's happening so we can talk

about it okay so expensive on the left

cheaper on the right anyway let's talk

about the clock speeds you can see our

GPU is currently at 63c 64c 100% load

2715 2730 2715 2760 so if we go to the

other side you can see the CPU GPU is a

little bit hotter running slightly

slower 268 85 27 2685 27 2685 2715 so

this one is generally about 50 MHz

higher on average on the left side uh

you can also notice that our CPUs are

very comparable in their load their

frequencies are going to fluctuate

they're always going to fluctuate CU

it's not a very CPU intensive test but

you'll notice the temperatures are very

comparable which doesn't bode well for

this AIO versus the the $100 AIO versus

the $360 AIO um or $350 whatever it is

although this one does have a really

cool screen and stuff on it I'll give it

that the magnetic connectors there's a

lot of Premium you pay for in that maybe

I'll do a video about the premiums and

what you actually get so we could

technically go into afterburner over

there and match those clock speeds and

then we would get pretty much an

identical score between the two so that

is why we're getting a different

performance in one PC versus the other

when it comes to identical grade

graphics cards and even identical grade

CPUs so whereas the vbios in those

graphics cards are a little bit more

aggressive in the non- MSRP card that's

essentially what our motherboards are

doing to our CPUs our motherboards are

being a little more aggressive one

versus the other on the CPU allowing

core clocks to go maybe a little higher

or stay higher longer which is giving us

that single digigit performance

difference so let's go into a real title

now something like cine bench or cine

bench that's not a that's not a game

title it's a game for me I love playing

zenov bench uh but let's go into like

cyberpunk and a real game and a real

game load side by side in the exact same

load and then let's see what the clocks

are doing there and then we'll adjust

the speeds dynamically and then see what

happens if we get them all exactly the

same okay so now that we have FPS loaded

you can look look in a real 118 114 113

119 119 120 119 so it's actually a fair

amount of difference here by having 2805

versus 2745 over there but what we're

going to do now is I'm going to go into

this one here and I'm going to see if we

can't make it match so I'm do this I'm

have Nick do it there we

go so we're at the same

20805 interestingly enough

there's still an FPS difference between

the

two because 112 113 115 116 so I feel

like that GPU would have to be

overclocked slightly to match it so go

from 60 now to like say 100 on that core

clock okay well you know what so the

only other thing we can consider here is

the cheaper PC does have a whole 1 GHz

slower Ram speed which does come into

effect during gaming gaming does RAM

speed does have an effect on games

especially a game like this that's

rendering a lot of AI apcs and stuff or

NPCs in the game so and then obviously

there's fluctuation because I have a lot

less cars on screen than that one cuz it

is completely randomized they're not

identical on the way it's happening on

each save but you can see the numbers

are so close together now by us adding

an overclock which clearly has plenty of

stability plenty of temperature headro

to where now you would not even be able

to notice the difference like this one's

actually slightly lower than that one

now was at a moment but I don't know

about you I'd rather go in here and

toggle some settings and dice roll to

see if I can make up 3% different two

excuse me 2.2% or whatever it was

difference in a game versus spending

$1,300 more to match the system that's

doing it out of the box now obviously

there's a whole lot of extra digging we

could have done on this to uh get down

to some real nitty-gritty like to

actually compare the BIOS frequency

settings to see what that voltage

frequency chart looks like what is the

actual turbo timer settings we know the

Asus one is pushing things the the

hardest out of all the motherboards as

far as the ones we've tested and seen I

know for a fact this that's having an

effect on the CPU which is also having

an effect on the overall performance of

the CPU um even though they were locked

5.52 5.52 okay so they're not affecting

this title so much but the RAM

definitely could be but again the

difference in price that we spent for

that ram versus the again $1,300 is

nothing jump change I mean that's like

rent for a lot of people right there so

I don't know about you we could have

probably gotten this build on the

cheaper build even under two grand if we

wanted we could have easily saved

another two 300 bucks no problem by even

going with like 32 GB of RAM or going

with even slightly slower Ram like 4,800

megat transfers per second or even

reducing the power supply down to like

850 Watts cuz we don't really need 1,000

that's just future proofing to make sure

that GPU or assuming that power supply

stays relevant for longer now when it

comes to the quality of the parts these

are still top tier parts for both sides

even though this is a cheaper build this

is not a a a cheap PC by any means it is

a high-end PC for all intents and

purposes it's just as you can see you

could easily spend way too much on one

tier because realistically for the price

we paid for this we should have had an

upper price point on everything we

should have had a 4080 super in there we

should have had an I9 in there cuz we

could easily have a 48 super and an I9

in this system and still spend less than

we did by not going as high on the

motherboard and such cuz this

motherboard could still support that no

problem whatsoever so I think it's

really important for you to to consider

the fact that you can easily overspend

on Parts you don't need to necessarily

sort by show me cheapest but I think

there's a there's definitely uh a a good

just meat and potato section of the

genre right I think 200 bucks for a

motherboard is where you should

realistically cap out on a real build uh

I don't think personally you should ever

really look at higher than MSRP cards

when it comes to graphics cards uh

especially in the 4070 range like we are

right now the 4070 TI super because when

it came to GPU choice for us I mean the

470 TI super was as high as we could go

without jumping to that, graphics card

range but we could obviously jump to a

gra $1,000 graphics card here easily if

we wanted because we're talking $799

versus I think it was $869 now we're

talking a difference of $130 to get to a

480 super MSRP which would be much

faster than these even so

yeah you can see right there and it's

also unfortunately some of the confusion

for a lot of new buyers or people that

haven't bought Parts in a while that are

now shopping trying to figure out like

oh my gosh where should I go cuz you can

easily Lea frog parts and overspend here

and UND spend there so you can see the

easiest component the the single

component we overspent and spent way too

much money on undoubtedly is the

motherboard and I don't know why

motherboards have gotten so expensive I

think it's just it's become like a an

arms race for the motherboard

manufacturers to you can make the

biggest most ridiculous motherboard that

means nothing to the consumer like they

L and2 overclocking championships okay

cool but what does that mean to a

average consumer nothing we got a $159

motherboard right here holding its own

against the

$579 motherboard hope this video has

helped shed some literal light on things

so you guys can see where to uh save

some money and where to spend that money

if you have that budget and you're like

I'm going to spend all 3500 bucks I got