'Threatening the president is a crime': Weissmann on why Trump may have violated his bail conditions

MSNBC
31 Mar 202408:55

Summary

TLDR视频脚本讨论了美国前总统唐纳德·特朗普在社交媒体上的行为,特别是他对法官及其家庭成员的提及。讨论中提到,这种行为可能对即将到来的审判产生影响,并质疑特朗普是否试图影响法官的裁决。同时,强调了法官和检察官应对此类攻击发声,保护法治的重要性。还提到了对潜在陪审团成员的影响,以及可能需要采取的措施来确保司法程序的公正性和完整性。

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Highlights

法院系统无法有效运作,存在暴政现象。

特朗普在社交媒体上再次发布关于法官女儿的信息。

特朗普可能试图通过某些行为为法官的回避提供弹药。

法官和检察官应该对特朗普的攻击发声。

联邦法官公开发声是对法治受到严重威胁的信号。

曼哈顿地区检察官要求澄清或确认禁言令是否适用于法院成员。

特朗普团队反对任何禁言令的扩大。

特朗普的所谓禁言令并未涵盖法官或法官家庭成员。

在保释期间不得犯罪是纽约、华盛顿特区和乔治亚州的标准条件。

特朗普发布的内容可能构成对美国总统的威胁。

法官有权召开听证会,以确定特朗普发布图片的意图。

潜在陪审团成员可能因特朗普的行为感到受威胁和恐吓。

法官考虑的不仅是个人和家庭安全,还有维护法治。

为保护案件相关人员身份,采取了前所未有的措施。

领导者诋毁个人,可能煽动支持者攻击目标,而自己保持表面上的合理否认。

特朗普可能已经越过了合理否认的界限。

特朗普重复的行为表明他知道人们会如何反应。

法官可以传唤前总统,让他解释自己的行为和意图。

Transcripts

00:00

WE DO NOT HAVE A VIABLE COURT

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SYSTEM THAT IS ABLE TO FUNCTION

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EFFICIENTLY WE HAVE TYRANNY.

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>> JOINT IS A FORMER GENERAL

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COUNSEL AT THE FBI AND A LEGAL

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ANALYST.

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THE COHOST OF THE TERRIFIC

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MSNBC PODCAST RESCUED IN DONALD

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TRUMP.

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JUST LAST NIGHT TRUMP POSTED

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ONCE AGAIN ON SOCIAL MEDIA

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ABOUT THE JUDGES DAUGHTER.

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POSTING THIS TIME A LINK TO AN

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ARTICLE THAT PROMINENTLY

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FEATURED A PHOTO OF HER.

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THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES.

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HE IS ON THE EVE OF HIS FIRST

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CRIMINAL TRIAL.

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DO YOU THINK HE IS TRYING TO

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GET HIM INTO DOING SOMETHING

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THAT HE COULD USE AS AMMUNITION

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FOR RECUSAL?

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>> I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY

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BASIS ON THE RECUSAL FRONT.

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YOU DO NOT GET TO GO TO

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SOMEBODY INTO RECUSAL. YOU COULD INTO REQUIRING THAT

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YOU COULD INTO REQUIRING THAT

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YOU HAVE TIGHTER RESTRICTIONS

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UP TO AND INCLUDING BE REMANDED

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TO GO TO JAIL, BUT I DO NOT

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THINK THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO

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CLAIM LATER THAT THERE SHOULD

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BE A RECUSAL BECAUSE THE JUDGE

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RESPONDED TO THE LITANY OF THINGS THAT YOU JUST SAID.

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THINGS THAT YOU JUST SAID.

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I ACTUALLY THINK IT IS ABOUT

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TIME THAT YOU HAVE JUDGES

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SPEAKING OUT.

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AS YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WAY TO

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LOOK AT THIS IS YOU SEE THE

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ATTACKS ON THE MEDIA AND THE

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DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

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YOU NOW OF COURSE SEE ATTACKS

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ON THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM BECAUSE

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THAT IS WHAT IS HOLDING DONALD

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TRUMP AND BEGINNING TO HOLD HIM

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TO ACCOUNT CIVILLY AND

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CRIMINALLY, SO OF COURSE HE IS

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LASHING OUT IN THE SAME WAY HE

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HAS AGAINST ALL OF THOSE OTHER

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FORCES WHETHER IT IS THE MEDIA

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OR NO JUDGES, AND I THINK THEY

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HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT.

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I THINK PROSECUTORS ACTUALLY UP

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TO INCLUDING ATTORNEY GENERAL

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GARLAND SHOULD BE SPEAKING OUT

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ABOUT THIS.

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I DO NOT THINK THIS IS NORMAL

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TIMES WERE YOU SAY I WILL JUST

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SPEAK IN COURT.

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I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT NOT TO

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HAVE UNILATERAL DISARMAMENT AND

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FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS

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GOING ON AND JUST HOW UNUSUAL

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THIS IS.

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WE BOTH KNOW TO HAVE A FEDERAL

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JUDGE ARE GOING ON THE AIRWAYS

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IS A SIGNAL OF JUST HOW SEVERE

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THIS THREAD IS TO THE RULE OF LAW.

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LAW.

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>> THE MANHATTAN DA HAS ASKED

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IN A PROMOTION LETTER FOR THE

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JUDGE TO CLARIFY OR CONFIRM

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THAT THE GAG ORDER APPLIES TO

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FILM THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT.

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THE TRUMP TEAM HAS RESPONDED

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WITH AN OBJECTION TO ANY

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EXPANSION.

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EXPLAINED FOR THE VIEWERS WITH

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THE DA IS ASKING FOR HERE.

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THERE IS SOME SPECIFICITY IN

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THAT GAG ORDER THAT WAS ENTERED

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THURSDAY, BUT DO YOU THINK IS

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THE LANGUAGE IS CURRENTLY

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INCLUDED IN THIS ORDER THAT IT

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WOULD NECESSARILY INCLUDE

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SOMEBODY LIKE THE JUDGES FAMILY

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MEMBERS?

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>> I THINK THERE ARE TWO

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ISSUES FOR WEATHER DONALD TRUMP

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HAS SANCTIONS THAT COULD BE

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IMPOSED RIGHT NOW.

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ONE ISSUE IS WHETHER HIS

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CONFLICT IS COVERED BY THE

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CONDITIONS SENT BY HIM AND HIS

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SO-CALLED GAG ORDER.

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I THINK THERE IS NO QUESTION

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THAT IT'S NOT BROAD ENOUGH TO

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COVER THE JUDGE OR THE JUDGES

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FAMILY.

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IT SIMPLY WAS NOT PUT IN THE

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GAG ORDER THAT THE JUDGE ENTERED, SO YOU CANNOT FIND A

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ENTERED, SO YOU CANNOT FIND A

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VIOLATION OF SOMETHING THAT IS

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NOT COVERED, BUT THAT IS NOT

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THE ONLY POSSIBLE GROUND FOR

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FINDING THAT HE HAS VIOLATED

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SOMETHING HERE, AND THAT IS

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THAT A STANDARD CONDITION OF

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BEING OUT ON BAIL APPLIES IN

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NEW YORK AND IN THE D.C.

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FEDERAL CASE IN THE GEORGIA

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STATE CASE.

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THAT YOU NOT COMMIT A CRIME

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WHILE YOU ARE OUT ON BAIL.

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YOU KNOW THIS VERY WELL.

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IT IS IN FACT I REMEMBER THE

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D.C. CASE BEING ON AIR WHEN THE

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MAGISTRATE JUDGE WARNED HIM

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THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT

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CONDITION FOR HIM WAS THAT HE

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NOT COMMIT A CRIME. THREATENING THE PRESIDENT OF

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THREATENING THE PRESIDENT OF

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THE UNITED STATES IS A CRIME,

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SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE THE

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LEGAL AND FACTUAL QUESTION

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WHETHER WHAT HE HAS ENGAGED IN

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WITH RESPECT TO POSTING THE

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IMAGE OF JOE BIDEN BOUND AND

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GAGGED WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE

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A BULLET HOLE IN HIS HEAD

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CONSTITUTES THAT KIND OF

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THREAT.

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THE SAME THING COULD BE TRUE

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UNDER NEW YORK LAW WITH RESPECT

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TO JUDGES OR FAMILY MEMBERS AND

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PERSONNEL.

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SORT OF AN INDEPENDENT GROUND.

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THE ONE THING THAT IS CLEAR IS

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THAT HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO

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BRING THE DONALD TRUMP INTO

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HOLD A HEARING ON WHAT HIS

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INTENT WAS BECAUSE THROUGH HIS

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ACTIONS AND OBVIOUSLY TO TIGHTEN UP DRAMATICALLY THAT

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TIGHTEN UP DRAMATICALLY THAT

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GAG ORDERS SO THAT THERE IS NO

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THREAT NOT JUST TO THE JUDGE

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AND HIS FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT

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REMEMBER THIS AS A SPILLOVER

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EFFECT OF A JURY AND ALSO FOR

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WITNESSES AND PROSPECTIVE

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JURORS.

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THEY ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS

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GOING ON.

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JUST ASK IF YOU ARE A POTENTIAL

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JUROR ARE YOU GOING TO SAY I

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WANT TO BE ON THIS TRIAL WHEN

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MY NAME WOULD BE KNOWN BY DONALD TRUMP AND HIS

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DONALD TRUMP AND HIS

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CONFEDERATES? ARE YOU GOING TO

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FEEL THREATENED AND INTIMIDATED

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BY HAVING TO TAKE THE STAND AND

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TELLING THE TRUTH?

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THIS IS ALL A REASON I AM

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CONFIDENT THE JUDGE IS THINKING

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ABOUT THIS NOT JUST IN TERMS OF

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HIS SELF AND FAMILY BUT ABOUT

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PROTECTING THE RULE OF LAW.

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EXACTLY THE CLIP THAT YOU

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PLAYED IT IS WHAT IS GOING TO

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BE ANIMATED JUDGES AND

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PROSECUTORS TO TAKE STEPS TO

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MAKE SURE THAT OUR SYSTEM OF

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LAW IS SAFE WITH RESPECT TO THE

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FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

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STATES WHO IS ATTACKING THE VERY FOUNDATION OF THE RULE OF

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VERY FOUNDATION OF THE RULE OF

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LAW.

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>> WE HAVE HAD UNPRECEDENTED

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MEASURES TAKEN TO PROTECT THEIR

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IDENTITIES AND SOME OF HIS

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CASES.

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THE LEVEL OF AN AMENITY BETWEEN JURORS THEMSELVES WHEN THEY ARE

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JURORS THEMSELVES WHEN THEY ARE

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BEING TOLD AND EVEN CIVIL CASES

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THEY WERE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO

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TELL EACH OTHER WHAT THEIR TRUE

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NAMES WERE.

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ONLY SUPPOSED TO GO BY NUMBERS.

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I WANT TO ASK BEFORE WE TAKE A

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QUICK BREAK ABOUT THIS.

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I POSTED THIS ON MY SOCIAL

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MEDIA. WHEREBY A LEADER VILIFIES A

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WHEREBY A LEADER VILIFIES A

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PERSON OR THEM LIKELY TO

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INSTIGATE RANDOM SUPPORTERS TO

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ATTACK THOSE TARGETS WHILE THE

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INSTIGATOR MAINTAINS A VENEER

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OF PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.

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NOBODY HAS TO READ BETWEEN THE

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LINES.

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I THINK EVERYBODY CLEARLY KNOWS

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WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT, BUT

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DON'T YOU THINK TRUMP HAS

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CROSSED THAT LINE OF PLAUSIBLE

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DENIABILITY?

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THE IDEA OF I AM REPOSTING

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THINGS OR I'M JUST PUTTING

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SOMETHING UP IN MY POLITICAL

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FREE SPEECH OR PURSUIT AND

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PROTECTION OF MY FIRST

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AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

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>> I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.

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JUST REMEMBER THAT MIGHT HAVE

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BEEN PLAUSIBLE THE FIRST TIME

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OR THE SECOND TIME HE DID THIS.

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WHEN YOU SEE THAT YOU HAVE THIS

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REPEATED CALL AND RESPONSE

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AFFECT HE CANNOT KEEP SAYING I

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JUST CALLED AND I WAS SHOCKED.

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THAT IS EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT

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HE IS CHARGED WITH IN

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CONNECTION WITH THIS CASE.

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THERE IS MUCH MORE THAN THAT

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LEADING UP TO IT, BUT THOSE EVENTS WERE THE QUINTESSENTIAL

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EVENTS WERE THE QUINTESSENTIAL

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CALL AND RESPONSE CHARGE HERE

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WHERE HE KNOWS DARN WELL HOW

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PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RESPOND.

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THAT IS WHY YOU CAN VERY MUCH

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HAVE A HEARING WHERE THE JUDGE

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CAN BRING THE PARTIES IN AND

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BASICALLY HAVE THE FORMER

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PRESIDENT TESTIFIED ABOUT WHAT

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HAPPENED AND WHAT HE WAS

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THINKING. IF HE DOES NOT WANT

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TO TESTIFY THAT IS FINE, BUT

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THEN HE CAN TAKE THE FACTS AS

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SENT OUT BY THE GOVERNMENT.

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GOING TO BE CROSS-EXAMINED BY