"You're LYING!" Piers Morgan Hosts Debate On Iran, Israel And Hamas

the general view in the west is that

Iran's attack on Israel was an abject

failure whether or not it was a genuine

attempt to wound the Israeli state or

just a billion dollar fireworks display

it didn't work 99% of the drones and

missiles were shot down by Israel's

allies and its Iron Dome Israel looks

tough again Iran looks weak and after

months of rebukes from its allies over

the Gaza War Israel's powerful friends

have again made their allegiance clear

so what did Iran have to gain well first

things first the Iranian regime is

loathed by its own people enemies mean

survival it had to be seen to respond to

the Israeli attack on its Consulate in

Syria and to those who gly say Iran has

the right to defend itself and America

would respond with Force which rock have

you been living under Iran has been

poking the horn its nest through proxies

for years Hezbollah attacks Israel from

Lebanon in the north the hotis and Yemen

have attacked vessels in the Red Sea

more than 60 times in the last 6 months

alone Hamas began its diabolical war in

Gaza by invading Israel with Iran's

funding and full throated support

fundamentally Iran doesn't believe

Israel has a right to exist it wants to

ins Circle the country with paramilitary

groups and ultimately dominate the

region but like all Pariah States it

profits from chaos un like all

dictatorships its people suffer the most

so what should the Western World do

about it is this a moment for

appeasement or power did the attack

throw netan who a lifeline and how will

the changing political winds impact the

war on Gaza where Millions now face a

famine in a moment we'll debate those

big questions with Mustafa bouti FL

Hassan Nahum and Franchesca fantini but

first with a view from Tran Professor

Muhammad mirandi joins me who was

previously an advisor to Iran's nuclear

negotiations team with Professor mirandy

thank you very much indeed for joining

me on

unsensed thank you for having

me obviously I've outlined there uh my

view about this situation I I'm sure

that you would disagree with uh much if

not all of it but what is the view from

Tran about what's happened

here yes I think it's pretty fair to say

I disagree with all of it uh the view

from tan is quite clear you know quite

well I know quite well your viewers your

viewers know quite well that the Israeli

regime is carrying out

genocide and this stems from a an ethnos

supremacist ideology it stems from a

parthe and uh this is unacceptable and

the people who lived on that land they

have been expelled the people in Gaza

they live in a concentration camp now a

death camp and uh the West has brought

about this situ this situation whatever

crimes that they've committed against

Jews and Gypsies and Slavs they have to

pay for it themselves they can't take it

out on the Palestinian people so the

Iranians along with almost everyone else

in the world except for people some

people in your part of the world believe

that the partite regime has to come to

an end and uh by coming to an end it

means that all people of that land have

to be able to live as equal human beings

I know that sounds very crazy but uh um

ethnos supremacism isn't a good

thing but the position of the Iranian

regime is that Israel shouldn't exist

right well the position of the British

regime is that Israel as an aparte State

should continue to exist the position of

the American regime is if you could look

that wasn't the question I asked you but

is the position of Iran's regime

answering that

is yeah but what what is the answer to

that question I'm getting there the

position of the American regime is that

apartheid should continue Iran's

position on South Africa had the same

Gap there was the same Gap back then

when the British and Americans supported

apartheid in South Africa and racial

supremacism in the South African region

Zimbabwe today and so on back then Iran

was supporting the indigenous population

back then Iran supported thec back then

Iran supported the military wing of thec

and Nelson talking about South Africa

I'm talking about what is Iran's

regime's current position in relation to

Israel the Iranians believe that Israel

does not have moral legitimacy as an

aparte regime and the only way that it

can gain legitimacy is that if aarte is

cast aside if ethnos supremacism is cast

aside if racial and religious

discrimination in the sense that uh

Muslims and Christians are lesser human

beings and they don't have any right to

the land that they've been on for

hundreds of years that should be set

aside people who have been expelled have

the right of return it's not very uh

complicated it's not as you say rocket

science well it may not be complicated

to you but what looks complicated to us

uh is that what Iran has been doing in

the last few years if not decades has

been supporting via proxy uh groups like

The houis in Yemen Hamas in uh in Gaza

um Hezbollah in Lebanon funding and

helping to train them to commit acts of

war against Israel firing endless

rockets and as we saw on October the 7th

committing an act of heus terrorism um

so it's not quite as as simple as you're

trying to Picture This Is It Iran has

had a vested interest in supporting

Terror against Israel for a very long

time no I

think the regimes that have a vested

interest in supporting terrorism are the

ones who are giving the Israeli regime

the weapons to carry out genocide and uh

the genocide began long before October

the 7th and the Gaza Strip was a uh

concentration camp long before October

the 7th you know as well as I that

October the 7th it occur in the vacuum

and the terrorism has been carried out

regularly by the Israeli regime on the

Palestinians of the Gaza Strip for for

decades it regularly bombed them and

killed them and it's not just the Gaza

Strip I think roughly 400 Palestinians

have been murdered in the West Bank over

the past six months these These are

regular occurrences but it doesn't

register in the west because again the

Israelis are Europe they are European

it's a European Colony they have

priorities over the brown people of the

land but the it is a fact that

Palestinian

children according to the statements

made by senior Israeli officials

Palestinian wh women according to

members of the knesset they are lesser

people they if you look at the South

African

complaint uh they they clearly point out

the views of these people and the

starvation Siege and the intention to

starve the people of Gaza women and

children that is because they look at

them as inferior people this is not

about two uh armies this is about a

subjugated people trying to stand up for

their rights if it was if you were in

Germany how would you let me ask you

Professor let me ask you Professor how

would you categorize what happened on

October the 7th was that a terrorist

attack no it was a retaliation of a

people who were imprisoned and who were

starved and who are re regularly

regularly battered and people who were

imprisoned who belong just to be clear

just to be clear you you think the the

slaughter of 1200 people the raping the

maming the incinerating the mass murder

that went on that day by a group whose

own spokesman the Hamas spokesman said

days after that in on television on

camera that Hamas was wedded to

committing the same again and again and

again as often as it could which

actually is the purest personification

of the genocide that you're talking

about you don't condemn

that you're being dishonest uh there is

no evidence no I'm not of there's no

evidence of rape and I I ask your

viewers to Absolute

nonsense non there it's absolute

nonsense that there's systematic rape

and if you are being dishonest

intentionally you are helping the

Israeli regime continue its genocide by

justifying it through dishonesty so

that's up to you to decide there is no

evidence of systematic rape and just

like the beheading been clear reported

evidence of rape and sexual abuse

against

cable EV I ref I refer you and your

audience to the good work carried out by

people at the gry zone at the electronic

inada base in the United States many of

them uh are people of uh excellent

they're excellent reporters and you

should invite them on your show to talk

about these

allegations I've talked to I've talked

to top reporters who've covered this uh

well you

only I'm also interested that you only

I'm also interested Professor that you

only you only want to deny that there

was rape you don't want to deny the

incineration or the beheadings or the

mass murder of Holocaust Survivors the

kidnapping of several hundred people

including babies uh I mean you condemn

any of that or do you think all of that

is is is

Justified look Pierce you're trying to

play with words and that's fine as long

as you're

not just well you're playing because

there is no evidence of beheadings

you're just taking the dishonest Israeli

regime's account which they have no

evidence and people have written

articles there was demonstrable proven

evidence that people were beheaded

provable evidence and more more than

that we know we know from hamas's own

video coverage of what they were doing

in real time that they proudly broadcast

to the world they didn't try and hide

this I'm just curious why you who is so

sensed by what you see is Israeli

Israeli genocide why you would not be

equally insens by genocidal behavior

from Hamas that day no you you're not

being honest and that's where where did

they broadcast this footage of beheading

Hamas to the world can you send can you

put it right now where you have I didn't

say they broadcast the beheadings there

was evidence found of people who'd been

beheaded that was not broadcast but what

was the was the was the one as you I

didn't say there was footage of the

beheading I said there was evidence

found that people have been beheaded

right but I would also say to you that

what was broadcast by

of them of them of Hamas slaughtering

people and kidnapping people and proudly

boasting about it's something you seem

to be smirking about I'm just you I'm

smirking at you because you are clearly

being dishonest if there were people

innocent people anywhere whether in

Palestine or elsewhere who were killed

by a soldier by anyone that is of course

unacceptable but then the these claims

of systematic rape and these claims of

that is these are dishonest claims there

is people have done hard work to prove

that there is no evidence for these

systematic rapes and beheadings and

these were used as propaganda to justify

the beginning of this Holocaust in Gaza

and those who continue to make these you

talk about me being dishonest Professor

you talk about me being dishonest but

what you've just said is an absolutely

shocking example of dishonest honesty

Hamas didn't even try to hide what they

did they made no secret of their Delight

their Joy their pride in what they were

doing some of them rang family members

back in Gaza to boast about what they'd

just done to old women to children and

I'm just curious why you can't find

yourself able to condemn this in the day

and age peers in the day and age when

everyone has cameras and their cameras

all over the place show us the evidence

show us the evidence especially in

Israel especially in Israel which is a

society which has cameras all over the

place but you don't have footage of any

beheadings and you don't have any

footage of any rape I wonder

why well there were bodies found who had

been beheaded that is a fact so okay

show them on your show them all that all

the these bodies that have been beheaded

show them on on your show show those

pictures how many people how many people

do you think were how many people do you

think were killed that day I think

roughly a

th100 between 1,100 and 1,200 many of

them were soldiers so you accept you

there was a Mass Slaughter does that

does that constitute genocide to you is

that an attempt at

genocide no be it's it's like it's like

you saying that the French Resistance

which was operating against the nais and

they go and carry out an operation and

during that operation some children are

sadly killed so you say oh so the whole

French Resistance is illegitimate and

the Nazis occupation is legitimate

that's nonsense if as I said very

clearly wherever an innocent person is

Con killed that I condemn everyone

condemns and I wish you would condemn

because the a genocide is taking place

and you are putting forward claims

without the justification to make them

without the evidence to make them I

would refer you again to those websites

and those um reporters and journalists

who've proven that the claims were

inaccurate at to say the least and

dishonest most

probably let me turn to we agree about

this so uh people can make their own

minds up but let me turn to the missile

strikes that Iran launched against

Israel 300 UND of them it was

spectacularly unsuccessful I mean it

caused barely any damage again you're

smirking you can explain why but it was

a spectacular failure wasn't it by Iran

just a load of showboating and and and

throwing fireworks in the air with

actually no result whatsoever other than

they hurt one little

girl of course I'm sming it's funny the

way in which you always frame things

where this the other and the non

Westerner is in competent and incapable

and your your uh fantastic Israeli

allies are on top of their game No in

fact it was a major defeat for the

Israelis and for the Americans and why

because the Iranians from the very

beginning well let me tell you first of

all the Israeli regime carried out an

air strike on an Iranian Embassy the

whole world condemned it forget the West

forget the UK and the US you are

marginalized you supported it because at

the UN Security Council your regime the

American regime and the French regime

they prevented the condemnation of the

bombing of the Iranian Embassy so the

world rallied behind Iran and Iran said

we're going to retaliate but what did

Iran do Iran played it very smart they

first they played 10 days of Mind Games

with the Israeli regime and then they

declared that they're going to carry out

the attack so the Israelis and the

Americans and everyone mobilized Iz

everything they had and the Iranians

sent hundreds of uh Dirt Cheap drones a

few th000 each to fly and it took three

hours for them to get there and then

your Israeli allies spent according to

their own estimates $

1.35 billion dollar to down drones that

didn't cost probably $2 million for Iran

the Iranians did not use any of their

new technology it was all old Tech

techology so the Israelis gained nothing

but the Iranians gained a huge amount of

information about the capabilities of

the Americans and the Israelis and I

must say that the that most of the

things were done by the Americans not

the Israelis or the British or the

French and then the Iranians sent a

series of old missiles that they had in

stock for a long time none of it within

latest technology and then again the

Americans and the Israelis ATT attack

them with very expensive missile defense

systems and use all their capabilities

giving the Iranians huge amounts of

information again a couple of million

dollars no one is going to buy those old

missiles and then Iran sent fired a

handful alongside these missiles a

handful of serious missiles that were

targeted at two base bases the two most

heavily military defended military sites

in the world an Airbase in the south and

an intelligence gathering base I think

in the north and both of them received

direct hits so the Israelis gave they

they showed their hand they spent a lot

of money at a time when these missiles

are there's a huge shortage of them

because of Ukraine and the Iranians gave

no information about their capabilities

even

those I got to say that's one of the

that's one of the more entertaining

explanations for such an abject failure

that I've I've heard should I smirk

again and let me take you back let me

take you back to what Israel said they

they committed the bombing in Damascus 4

was because they discovered that the

building was diplomatic in name only and

being used as an Iranian military and

intelligence base hence the presence of

all these generals uh two of whom were

killed along with all the others there

so if it was being used as a military

base uh and they were training Hezbollah

which is what they believe they were

doing then it was a legitimate Target

wasn't

it well of course since you support the

Israeli narrative and you are a friend

of the people who are carrying out this

Holocaust this ongoing Holocaust and you

don't care about the people any

narrative I'm just asking you it was

being used if it was being used as a

military base was it a legitimate Target

if they're training at to attack Israel

you have ra rather one of the most

extreme narratives and I think you're

doing a disservice uh to Truth by

actually I don't at all I've been very

critical of Israel but I don't believe I

don't whenever interview people who who

can't find it in themselves to actually

say what Hamas did on October the 7th I

always find it slightly incredulous then

whatever else they say because we all

saw what happened with our own eyes

people are not intimidated by you that's

the problem you you can intimidate some

of your own people but you can't

intimidate us I don't intimate anybody I

want to get to the that I want to find

out I'm just fascinated okay let me ask

you this let me ask you this let me ask

Prof I'm trying to be timid that is a

diplomatic you don't ask the questions

question that is no I'm answering your

question that was a diplomatic building

you know quite well that the Israelis

had no right to touch it they committed

a crime and the Iranian retaliation was

an active self-defense and your own

foreign minister humiliated himself on

Sky News which is an outlet that is

sympathetic to the regime when he when

he said well if one of our diplomatic

buildings were struck what would how

would the response be so don't be silly

the Israeli regime they're always lying

just like the AL Hospital they're full

of underground tunnels where were the

tunnels and then at the at the beginning

when they struck the alh hospital and H

killed hundreds of people they said no

it was the resistance and the Western

intelligence agencies said the same

thing and then we saw them hit hospital

after hospital after hospital after

hospital so you put your faith in The

Narrative of these child Killers who

bomb hospitals and destroy the very the

very basis of humanity the very basic

need needs for ordinary people in Gaza

come on and yeah here's the irony

Professor here's the irony is that all

the attention that was falling actually

on Israel's uh uh war on Hamas in Gaza

and whether it was a massive overreach

and whether too many civilians were

being killed and when we saw the aid

workers killed obviously enraged people

as well uh it was all heading the way

that Iran would have lik which is was

General Global uh outrage that was

fermented about what was going on there

now the narrative has changed isn't it

because what we saw were countries like

Jordan racing to help Israel defend

itself against Iran's missiles the ones

that you've tried to dismiss but were

actual missiles uh and how does that

help Iran's narrative that Israel are

the bad people in the region when you

have major Arab countries like Jordan

and Saudi offering airspace and so on

how does that help your cause to try and

isolate Israel all you did was achieve

the complete opposite didn't you

absolutely not and first of all the

people of Jordan know that the Israeli

regime considers the Palestinians to be

amalec we're not dumb Pierce and they're

not dumb the government of Jordan does

not represent the people you know this

and I know that but more importantly

well the government of Iran doesn't

represent the Iranian people it

represents the Iranian people more than

your government represents the British

people but the

I wouldn't say that at all I would say

that the Iranians When They carried out

the strike and by the way just as well

I'll say that at the end when the

Iranians carried out the strike they

punished the Israeli regime and they

humiliated the Israeli regime but

nothing is going to uh distract World

public opinion from the Holocaust in

Gaza don't think that the Israelis can

do that no one can do that the the

Holocaust continues as we speak today

the the pre when the president of Brazil

and other world leaders say what the

Israeli regime is doing today to the

people of Gaza is just like what the

Nazis were doing in Germany no one is

going to forget because the Iranians

retaliated okay let me ask you this it's

been

reported well no I want to ask you

something it's been reported today that

Israel is preparing to do a retaliatory

uh strike against Iran in some capacity

we don't know how yet uh and it's been

uh said not least by you uh that if War

spreads have no doubt All American bases

in the Persian Gulf region will be

destroyed and those countries that host

American bases will be guilty by

association all those gas and oil

installations will be destroyed by

drones and missiles um I mean that's

sort of strong rhetoric but the reality

is that if Israel does strike Iran it

has a far more sophisticated and

powerful military capacity and if

America was to defend it against any

further retaliation of the kind that

you're describing then Iran would get

wiped away wouldn't it I mean you can't

possibly compete with the combined

military Firepower of countries like

Israel and America why would you pretend

otherwise that's your wishful thinking

uh the Israeli regime is vulnerable and

weak and it has shown itself to be

incapable of taking a DOT on the map

they haven't been able to take Gaza

after six months of genocide they

haven't been able to take even Northern

Gaza after 6 months of genocide they

have they have to withdraw at least 100

to 200,000 people from northern Israel

because they cannot stand up to

Hezbollah they cannot push Hezbollah

back they cannot defeat them so you

think the Israeli regime is going to

defeat Iran why is it that the Americans

are concerned about any Israeli attack

because they know exactly what will

happen next time around Iran won't be

firing those old drones to gather

intelligence and to empty the Israeli

and the American uh missiles next time

the Iranians will be sending thousands

of missiles and drones that are

top-notch and the Israelis will be

punished severely and the reason why the

Americans don't want this is because

they know that the balance of power has

shifted Pierce let me give you a word of

advice your media Outlets regardless of

whether Russia or Ukraine are is good or

bad that is another issue your media

outlets in the west have been misleading

the people for two years now saying

Ukraine is winning Ukraine is winning

suddenly everyone is saying Ukraine is

falling apart dishonest narratives and

Reporting dishonestly to your own people

ultimately hurt the people of England

and Europe and the United States and

your endless Wars based upon this

nonsense and this misinformation lead to

huge waves of refugees and then the

people of Europe feel overwhelmed by

these refugees that you yourself brought

upon

yourself yeah I mean I think I would

return the favor here by saying to you I

think you should wake up to the reality

of what your regime is is doing because

it's pretty clear I think to anyone who

has looked at the situation in its

totality that what Iran has been doing

is a direct response to the

normalization of relations with Israel