Brooks and Capehart on Biden’s State of the Union and what’s next in the 2024 race
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses President Biden's fiery and partisan speech at the Union Address, which marked the unofficial start of the general election. The speech highlighted policy issues and Biden's willingness to fight for Democratic values. Analysts reflect on the speech's impact on the electorate, the absence of direct mention of Donald Trump, and the potential for a Biden-Trump debate. They also address the Republican response by Katie Britt and the possible influence of a third-party candidate.
Takeaways
- 📺 President Biden's Union Address had a record viewership of 32 million Americans, 18% higher than the previous year.
- 🔥 Biden's speech was notably fiery, with unscripted exchanges, particularly on issues like social security and tax cuts for the wealthy.
- 🤝 The Democrats are adopting a more partisan and combative approach in response to the Trump era, moving away from the 'go high' strategy.
- 🎤 Biden's speech reassured Democrats by leading with the issue of Ukraine, which was unexpected and showed a shift in political priorities.
- 🌟 Biden's performance in the speech was seen as a rebuttal to critics who question his vitality and mental acuity.
- 🚫 Biden did not mention Donald Trump by name, which was likely a strategic choice to focus on policy rather than personal attacks.
- 💬 The Republican response by Katie Britt focused on immigration, crime, and the economy, with a style of communication aimed at suburbanites and mothers.
- 📈 The discussion highlighted the importance of policy in the upcoming general election, with Biden's focus on legislative accomplishments and future plans.
- 🗣️ The potential for a Biden-Trump debate was discussed, with opinions split on whether it would be beneficial or if it would even occur.
- 🏛️ The impact of a third-party candidate was considered, with speculation that such a candidate could potentially hurt Biden's chances more than Trump's.
Q & A
What was the main purpose of President Biden's speech as described in the transcript?
-The speech served as an unofficial kick-off to the general election.
How many Americans watched President Biden's speech according to Nielsen ratings?
-Approximately 32 million Americans tuned in to watch.
What was the percentage increase in viewership for President Biden's speech compared to the previous year?
-The viewership was 18% higher than the previous year.
What was David Brooks' first observation about the Democrats' response to the Trump era?
-The Democrats have shifted from a 'go high' approach to a more partisan and strong fighting stance.
What issue did President Biden lead with in his speech, which was considered unusual?
-He led with the issue of Ukraine.
What was Jonathan Capehart's assessment of President Biden's performance in the speech?
-Capehart believed that Biden reassured the country and Democrats that he is willing to fight for his accomplishments and future goals.
Why did the panelists think President Biden did not mention Donald Trump by name?
-It was likely a strategic decision to focus on policy and Biden's own record rather than engaging in a partisan attack.
What was the main criticism of Katie Britt's Republican response?
-The criticism was that her performance was overacted and difficult to watch, with a wide range in her octaves that made it hard to hear her message.
What did David Brooks think about Katie Britt's communication style?
-Brooks thought she was compassionate, smart, and effective, and that her style might appeal to many moms and suburbanites who are not deeply into politics.
What was the panel's consensus on the importance of policy in the upcoming general election?
-The panel agreed that focusing on policy and legislative accomplishments is crucial for Biden's campaign, as people are looking for politicians who can improve their lives.
What was the panel's opinion on whether President Biden and Donald Trump should debate?
-Both panelists believed that they should debate, although they were unsure if it would happen and questioned whether Trump would agree to it.
How might a third-party candidate potentially impact the election?
-David Brooks suggested that a third-party candidate could have an impact, but he believed that their presence would likely hurt Biden more than Trump.
Outlines
🗣️ President Biden's Fiery Union Address
The discussion focuses on President Biden's Union Address, which unofficially marked the beginning of the general election. The speech garnered high viewership, with 32 million Americans tuning in, an 18% increase from the previous year. The conversation highlights Biden's combative tone, particularly his unscripted exchanges, and his focus on issues like social security and tax cuts for the wealthy. The panelists analyze the Democratic response to the Trump era, noting a shift from a 'go high' approach to a more partisan stance. They also discuss the strategic choice to lead with the Ukraine issue and the perception of Biden's vitality and readiness to fight for his policies.
📉 Republican Response and Economic Concerns
The panel examines the Republican response to Biden's address, delivered by Katie Britt, which focused on immigration, crime, and the economy. Britt's speech emphasized the struggles of the American people under Biden's policies, a narrative the panelists debate. They discuss Britt's communication style and its potential appeal to certain demographics, such as suburbanites and mothers. The conversation also touches on the challenges of reaching voters who may be disillusioned with the state of the country, and the importance of policy-focused campaigns over moral leadership.
🏛️ General Election Mode and Policy Discussion
The panelists reflect on the implications of the previous night's speech for the upcoming general election. They highlight Biden's emphasis on policy, including early childhood education and student loan forgiveness, and the need to focus on legislative accomplishments to improve people's lives. The discussion includes the potential impact of a third-party candidate and the likelihood of a presidential debate between Biden and Trump. The panelists express their views on the tradition of presidential debates and their potential entertainment value, despite their mixed impact on election outcomes.
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Keywords
💡State of the Union
💡Partisanship
💡Ukraine
💡Social Security
💡Tax Cuts
💡Economy
💡Immigration
💡Debate
💡Third-Party Candidate
💡Legislative Accomplishments
Highlights
President Biden's Union Address unofficially kicks off the general election.
Biden's speech had 32 million American viewers, 18% higher than the previous year.
Biden's delivery was fiery, including unscripted exchanges.
Biden's speech highlighted two paths: Republicans cutting Social Security and giving tax breaks to the wealthy, or Democrats' approach.
David Brooks noted a shift from Democrats' initial 'go high' response to a more partisan and strong stance.
Biden's speech reassured Democrats by leading with the Ukraine issue, which is unusual for a State of the Union address.
Biden's stance on Social Security was criticized as misleading, as Trump had not explicitly proposed cuts.
Jonathan Capehart believes Biden showed vitality and willingness to fight for his policies and accomplishments.
Biden did not mention Donald Trump by name, which was intentional to maintain a focus on policy rather than personal attacks.
Republican response by Katie Britt focused on immigration, crime, and the economy, with a message that may appeal to suburbanites and non-politically inclined voters.
Brooks and Capehart discuss the potential impact of a third-party candidate on the election, with Brooks suggesting it could hurt Biden more than Trump.
The discussion emphasizes the importance of policy over moral leadership in appealing to voters.
Biden's campaign strategy is expected to focus on legislative accomplishments and plans to improve people's lives.
The possibility of a debate between Trump and Biden is discussed, with opinions split on whether it will happen and its potential usefulness.
The conversation suggests that debates do not necessarily determine election outcomes, citing past examples.
The conversation concludes with speculation on the impact of a third-party candidate and the general election dynamics.
Transcripts
F
THE UNION ADDRESS BY PRESIDENT
BIDEN SERVED AS AN UNOFFICIAL
KICKOFF TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.
ON THAT AND WHAT LIES AHEAD IN
THE RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE, WE
TURN TO THE ANALYSIS OF BROOKS
AND CAPEHART.
THAT'S "NEW YORK TIMES"
COLUMNIST DAVID BROOKS, AND
JONATHAN CAPEHART, ASSOCIATE
EDITOR FOR "THE WASHINGTON
POST."
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FROM
PHILADELPHIA.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT SPEECH
LAST NIGHT BECAUSE THE NUMBERS
ARE IN.
ACCORDING TO NIELSEN, HUGE
NUMBERS FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.
SOME 32 MILLION AMERICANS TUNED
IN TO WATCH.
THAT IS 18% HIGHER THAN LAST
YEAR.
AS WE NOTED, IT WAS A PRETTY
FIERY DELIVERY.
SOME UNSCRIPTED BACK AND FORTH,
WE WILL CALL THEM, INCLUDING
MOMENTS LIKE THIS UNFOLDING.
>> WE HAVE TWO WAYS TO GO.
REPUBLICANS CAN CUT SOCIAL
SECURITY AND GIVE MORE TAX
BREAKS TO THE WEALTHY.
WELL, THAT'S THE PROPOSAL.
[JEERING]
OH, NO.
YOU GUYS DON'T WANT ANOTHER $2
TRILLION TAX CUT.
I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT
YOUR PLAN WAS.
WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CUT ANOTHER
$2 TRILLION FOR THE SUPER WELL,
THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.
AMNA: GOING INTO THE SPEECH, YOU
SAID YOU WERE LOOKING FOR
POETRY.
GEOFF: I SAID-- DAVID: I SAID
FEUDALISM.
ON A DAY'S REFLECTION, TWO
THOUGHTS COME TO MIND.
THE FIRST IS THAT THE DEMOCRATS
HAVE HAD TROUBLE DIGGING OUT HOW
TO RESPOND TO THE TRUMP ERA, SO
THE FIRST RESPONSE WAS THE
MICHELLE OBAMA MONDAY GO LOW, WE
GO HIGH.
THAT HAS CLEARLY GONE.
THEY ARE GOING SUPER PARTISAN
AND THEY ARE GOING SUPER STRONG
WITH THE FIGHT.
A LOT OF DEMOCRATS JUST WANT TO
SEE THE FIGHT.
HE HAS COME OUT AS A PRETTY
PARTISAN FIGHTER, AND I THINK A
LOT OF DEMOCRATS WILL BE VERY
PLEASED BY THAT.
THE SECOND IS REFLECTING ON THE
MOVING PIECES IN THAT SPEECH AND
HOW THEY TOUCH A LOT OF BASIS TO
REASSURE DEMOCRATS.
I AM MOST STRUCK BY THE FACT
THAT HE LED WITH UKRAINE.
IT IS SO UNUSUAL TO BEGIN A
STATE OF THE UNION SPEECH WITH
ONE ISSUE, THEN ONE ISSUE THAT
FRANKLY TURNS AROUND THE WHOLE
POLITICAL UNIVERSE.
I WAS LOOKING AT THESE LIBERAL
DEMOCRATS ON THE F FLOOR
THINKING, MORE DEFENSE
SPENDING.
WHAT WORLD AM I IN?
IN MY WORLD, THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY IS FOR MORE AGGRESSIVE
FOREIGN POLICY.
BUT WE HAVE SEEN A REVERSION OF
THE POLITICAL UNIVERSE.
ON SOCIAL SECURITY, HE IS KIND
OF WRONG.
DONALD TRUMP SAID EXPLICITLY NO
CUTS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
IT WAS KIND OF UNFAIR.
BUT HE CLEARLY WANTED THAT FIGHT
AND ENJOYED THAT FIGHT.
AMNA: IT WAS THE SAME MOMENT
LAST YEAR THAT GOADED MARJORIE
TAYLOR GREENE INTO A BACK AND
FORTH.
JONATHAN, THE PRESIDENT DID HAVE
LINGERING CONCERNS HE WAS TRYING
TO ADDRESS GOING INTO THE STATE.
DID HE DO WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO
IN THOSE REMARKS?
NICK: -- JONATHAN: YES, HE
ABSOLUTELY DEAD.
NOT ONLY DEMOCRATS WANTED TO SEE
THE PRESIDENT FIGHT, I THINK
LOTS OF AMERICANS WANTED TO SEE,
IS THIS GUY REALLY ALIVE, AS THE
REPUBLICANS KEEP SAYING HE IS
PRACTICALLY DEAD, THAT HE IS
SENILE.
THE MAN WHO SHOWED UP YESTERDAY
WAS DECIDEDLY NOT.
IN THAT CLIP YOU PLAYED, IT WAS
REMINISCENT OF LAST YEAR.
HE WAS NEGOTIATING IN REAL TIME,
TRYING TO PAINT THEM INTO A
CORNER IN REAL TIME.
SORRY, BUT SOMEONE WHO IS NOT
ALL THERE CAN'T DO THAT IN FRONT
OF A CROWD OF PEOPLE ON LIVE
TELEVISION IN A HIGH-STAKES
ADDRESS.
WHAT HE DID OVERALL I THINK WAS
REASSURE THE COUNTRY AND
REASSURE DEMOCRATS THAT NOT ONLY
IS HE WILLING TO FIGHT BUT HE IS
WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THE THINGS
THAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED.
HE IS WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THE
THINGS HE WANTS TO TRY TO DO AND
THAT HE IS WILLING TO FIGHT FOR
THEM IN THE SAME WAY THAT
REPUBLICANS OR MAGA FOLKS VIEW
DONALD TRUMP IS FIGHTING FOR
THEM.
AMNA: HE DIDN'T MENTION DONALD
TRUMP ONCE BY NAME.
SHOULD HE HAVE?
JONATHAN: NO.
I THINK THAT WAS ON PURPOSE
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH DAVID SAYS
LAST NIGHT WAS A VERY PARTISAN
SPEECH, HE DIDN'T MENTION DONALD
TRUMP'S NAME UNTIL TODAY.
HIS RALLY HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA
WRAPPED UP ABOUT 20 MINUTES
BEFORE THIS SEGMENT, AND HE USED
DONALD TRUMP'S NAME A LOT.
HE IS NOT SHYING AWAY FROM THE
FIGHT AT ALL.
AMNA: I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
THE REPUBLICAN RESPONSE
DELIVERED BY KATIE BRITT.
MUCH OF HER REMARKS FOCUSED ON
IMMIGRATION AND CRIME, BUT PART
OF HER MESSAGE WAS ON THE
ECONOMY.
HERE'S WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY.
>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE
SCRAPING BY WHILE PRESIDENT
BIDEN PROUDLY PROCLAIMS THAT
BIDENOMICS IS WORKING.
GOODNESS, Y'ALL.
BLESS HIS HEART.
AMNA: DAVID, SHE IS 42 YEARS
OLD.
SHE IS ACCOMPLISHED IN HER OWN
RIGHT, BUT UNIQUE AMONG SENATE
REPUBLICANS BECAUSE SHE IS ALSO
A MOTHER TO TWO SCHOOL-AGED
CHILDREN.
WHO ARE REPUBLICANS HOPING TO
REACH?
DAVID: I AM HER LAST DEFENDER.
I THOUGHT SHE DID AN ADEQUATE
JOB.
I EXPECT TO DO THIS SEGMENT FROM
MY KITCHEN FROM NOW ON TO STAY
TUNED.
THMOST OF THE COUNTRY, YOU
SHOW THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT YOUR FAMILY, YOU ARE EQUAL
AND NOBODY IS BETTER THAN ME, I
AM NO BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
I THOUGHT SHE EXAMPLE FIGHT A
STYLE OF COMMUNICATION THAT MAY
NOT BE POPULAR IN THE MEDIA
WORLD BUT IS POPULAR IN MOST OF
THE COUNTRY.
MOST CAN SAY, MAYBE SHE
OVERACTED A LITTLE, BUT I
THOUGHT SHE WAS COMPASSIONATE,
SMART, EFFECTIVE.
SHE HAPPENS TO BE COMPLETELY
WRONG ON WHAT WE JUST SHOWED.
WE JUST HAD 275 THOUSAND NEW
JOBS.
WE HAVE THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN
THE WORLD OF ANY MAJOR ECONOMY.
THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE, THAT JOE
BIDEN IS PUFFING UP THE ECONOMY
IS JUST COMPLETELY WRONG.
IT IS TRUE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
ARE IN A BAD MOOD.
I CALL THAT A PESSIMISM BUBBLE.
BUT I THOUGHT SHE WAS COMPLETELY
FINE AND WILL APPEAL TO A LOT OF
MOMS, A LOT OF SUBURBANITES WHO
ARE JUST NOT SUPER INTO
POLITICS, BUT THEY SENSE THAT
SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE
COUNTRY MAY BE SPIRITUALLY,
MORALLY, RELATIONALLY, AND
THINK, I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE HER.
AMNA: MANY OF THOSE VOTERS ARE
THE SAME VOTERS, THE FORMER
HALEY VOTERS THAT PRESIDENT
BIDEN WAS MAKING AN APPEAL TO
HIMSELF.
COULD HE REACH SOME OF THEM?
JONATHAN: MAYBE.
MAYBE SHE CAN.
MAYBE THOSE ARE VOTERS WHO ARE
UP FOR GRABS, BUT MAYBE SHE IS
FROM THE MAGA WING OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THOSE
VOTING FOR HALEY MAY NOT LIKE
HER.
I THINK DAVID IS BEING
CHARITABLE SAYING SHE MAY BE
OVERACTED A BIT.
IT MADE IT DIFFICULT TO WATCH,
BETWEEN THE RANGE IN HER OCTAVES
AND HOW SHE WAS SAYING WHAT SHE
WAS SAYING AND PERFORMING WHAT
SHE WAS SAYING WAS KIND OF HARD
TO HEAR WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.
THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW IF
HUGH HEWITT, ONE OF THE MOST
CONSERVATIVE THINKERS OUT THERE,
A FELLOW COLUMNIST AT "THE
WASHINGTON POST," IF HE AND I
ARE IN AGREEMENT ABOUT HOW BAD
THE REPUBLICAN RESPONSE IS, THAT
TELLS ME SHE WAS BAD.
[LAUGHTER]
AMNA: I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY
WE ARE IN GENERAL ELECTION MODE
RIGHT NOW.
AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, WHAT
DOES WHAT WAS SAID LAST NIGHT
AND HOW IT WAS SAID, WHAT DOES
THAT TELL US ABOUT WHAT WE ARE
GOING TO SEE FOR THE NEXT EIGHT
MONTHS?
DAVID: ONE OF THE NICE THINGS I
LOVED ABOUT LAST NIGHT IS WE
WERE TALKING ABOUT POLICY.
BIDEN CRAMMED THAT SPEECH FULL
OF POLICY.
EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION,
WHATEVER.
STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS.
AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE
ANTI-TRUMP WORLD HAS BEEN TOO
MUCH RELIANCE ON THIS.
TRUMP SAYS SOME HORRIBLE THINGS,
WE REACT, THAT IS SO HORRIBLE.
WE WATCH OUR FAVORITE
COMMENTATORS WHO SAY THAT WAS
HORRIBLE, THEN WE EXPECT THERE
TO BE SOME MASSIVE MORAL TURN ON
HIM.
WE EXPECT THE INDICTMENTS.
WE EXPECT SOMETHING THAT WILL
WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE
EARTH SO WE CAN FEEL VINDICATED.
IT FEELS GOOD, THIS EXERCISE.
IT HAS BEEN A TOTAL FAILURE
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT
FOR SIX YEARS AND DONALD TRUMP
IS POLITICALLY IN A BETTER SPOT
NOW THAN HE HAS EVER BEFORE.
TO ME, IF BIDEN IS GOING TO BEAT
HIM, IT HAS TO BE REMINDING
PEOPLE, THIS POLICY, I LIKE
THAT, I LIKE THAT.
MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR
MORAL LEADERSHIP FROM
POLITICIANS ANYMORE.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR WHO WILL
MAKE MY LIFE A LITTLE BETTER?
AMNA: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
JONATHAN: I ABSOLUTELY AGREE
WITH IT.
ACTUALLY, IT IS SORT OF A
VINDICATION OF WHAT THE BIDEN
WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN SAYING FROM
THE VERY BEGINNING.
IF WE FOCUS ON GETTING
LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, IF
WE FOCUS ON GETTING WINDS ON THE
BOARD, IF WE FOCUS ON GETTING
THINGS INTO LAW THAT WILL THEN
START MAKING PEOPLE'S LIVES
BETTER THAT WE CAN THEN TURN
AROUND AND GO BACK TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND SAY, LOOK
WHAT WE'VE DONE, NOT WHAT WE
PROMISED TO DO, BUT WHAT WE'VE
DONE, THEN THAT IS HALF THE
BATTLE.
AND WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT, I
THINK DAVID IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,
THAT SPEECH WAS CRAMMED WITH ALL
SORTS OF THINGS HE HAS DONE AND
THINGS HE WANTS TO DO, RIGHT
DOWN TO THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
OVER 10 YEARS.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE
PRESIDENT TALK ABOUT THOSE
THINGS, BOTH WHAT HE HAS DONE
AND WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, AS HE
GOES ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I JUST
WATCHED THE RALLY.
IT IS IT A STATE OF THE UNION
SPEECH WITH DONALD TRUMP'S NAME
AND IT.
AMNA: DO YOU THINK MR. TRUMP AND
MR. BIDEN WILL DEBATE, AND
SHOULD THEY?
JONATHAN: YES, THEY SHOULD
DEBATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WILL
DEBATE.
BUT I DO KNOW THIS, I THINK
PRESIDENT BIDEN ABSOLUTELY WANTS
TO DEBATE.
THE QUESTION IS, DOES DONALD
TRUMP?
I AM NOT CONVINCED HE DOES.
DAVID: HE SAID HE DOES.
IT IS A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
ALL OF OUR LIFETIMES, THEY HAVE
DEBATED.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT STARTED,
BUT CERTAINLY NIXON AND KENNEDY,
SO THERE SHOULD BE A DEBATE.
WHETHER IT WILL BE USEFUL, EH.
IT DOESN'T LEAD TO WHO WINS THE
ELECTIONS.
PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD A TERRIBLE
DEBATE.
PRESIDENT BUSH DIDN'T DO WELL IN
DEBATES AND WON TWICE.
BUT IT SHOULD BE FUN FOR US.
AMNA: I HAVE TO ASK YOU, THE NO
LABEL THIRD-PARTY GROUP SAID
THEY WILL BE FIELDING A
DEFENDING CANDIDATE.
WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT HAVE?
DAVID: IT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT.
THE FORMER DALLAS MAYOR, I KNOW
HIM.
HE HAS A VERY SERIOUS GUY.
SO THESE ARE NOT HALF-BAKED
PEOPLE.
BUT I HAVE LONG THOUGHT LOOKING
AT THE DATA, WHOEVER THEY PUT
UP, IT WILL HURT BIDEN MORE THAN
TRUMP.
AMNA: WE WILL SEE.
ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU BOTH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
♪
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