FULL | Mother of boy found dead in suitcase in Indiana makes first court appearance

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2 Apr 202413:31

Summary

TLDRThe transcript details a court proceeding involving Princess Kia (Dejan Anderson), who is charged with murder, neglect of a dependent resulting in death, and obstruction of justice. Despite the serious allegations and potential penalties, Anderson expresses a desire to self-represent, citing her understanding of the case and possession of classified evidence. The court outlines Anderson's rights and sets future court dates, while also considering the state's request for a high bond due to the severity of the charges and Anderson's status as a fugitive. However, the court is informed of Anderson's surveillance by government agencies, leading to a decision to set no bond pending further confirmation of her location by Space Force.

Takeaways

  • 📜 The transcript appears to be a court proceeding involving a defendant named Dejan Anderson.
  • 🔍 Dejan Anderson is charged with three serious crimes: murder, neglect of a dependent resulting in death, and obstruction of justice.
  • 📅 The alleged murder took place between April 10th and April 16th, 2022, in Washington County, Indiana.
  • 👦 The victim of the murder is referred to as 'child victim,' indicating a minor was involved.
  • 🏡 The neglect charge occurred between December 1st, 2021, and April 16th, 2022, and involves a dependent under 14 years of age.
  • 🚨 Dejan Anderson claims not to have a social security number but instead has a declaration of nationality as an indigenous person under the United Nations.
  • 🗣️ Dejan expresses the desire to represent herself in court, despite having a master's degree in history, not law.
  • 📝 The court informs Dejan of her rights, including the right to a public trial, to face her accusers, and to remain silent.
  • 💬 Dejan argues against being a fugitive, stating she has been under surveillance by the NSA and has had a detail from Space Force following her.
  • 🔗 The state requests a high bond due to the severity of the charges and the concern that Dejan may abscond from justice.
  • 🔒 The court orders that Dejan be remanded to the custody of the Washington County Sheriff's Department with no bond set initially.
  • 👩‍⚖️ The judge suggests assigning a public defender to represent Dejan if she can demonstrate the ability to understand and represent herself, with the option for private counsel to withdraw if hired.

Q & A

  • What is the full name of the individual speaking on behalf of Dejan Anderson?

    -Princess Kia Haan Pape the Second

  • What is the date of birth for the individual representing Dejan Anderson?

    -February 2nd, 1961

  • How old is the individual representing Dejan Anderson as of the date of the transcript?

    -63 years old

  • What type of identification does the individual representing Dejan Anderson claim to have instead of a social security number?

    -A declaration of nationality under the indigenous people of the United Nations chapter 22 1593

  • What are the three charges brought against the individual representing Dejan Anderson?

    -Murder as a felony, neglect of a dependent resulting in death as a level one felony, and obstruction of justice as a level six felony

  • What is the potential prison sentence for the murder charge according to Indiana code 35-42-1-1?

    -A range of imprisonment from 45 years to 65 years, with an advisory sentence of 55 years and a fine up to $10,000

  • How does the individual representing Dejan Anderson intend to conduct their defense?

    -The individual intends to file a motion for self-representation, as they believe they understand the nature of their case and the evidence involved

  • What is the individual's argument against being considered a fugitive?

    -The individual claims they have been under NSA surveillance for the past eight months and have had a detail from Space Force following their every move

  • What is the court's decision regarding the bond for the individual representing Dejan Anderson?

    -The court decides to set the bond with no bond at that particular point, and will reconsider the issue if Space Force comes forward to monitor the individual

  • What is the state's position on the bond for the individual representing Dejan Anderson?

    -The state argues for a high bond amount, suggesting that the individual may abscond from the court due to the gravity of the case and their lack of ties to Indiana

  • What additional support does the court order for Miss Anderson?

    -The court orders that someone from the public defender's office be assigned to represent Miss Anderson if she files a written request and demonstrates the ability to understand and comprehend the proceedings

Outlines

00:00

Initial Court Proceedings 📖

The first paragraph outlines the beginning of a court case where the defendant, Princess Kia (also known as Dejan Anderson), is being questioned about her identity and personal details. She states her date of birth as February 2nd, 1961, and mentions not having a social security number but instead a declaration of nationality. She is charged with three counts of criminal conduct: murder as a felony, neglect of a dependent resulting in death, and obstruction of justice. The potential penalties for these charges are outlined, and Anderson expresses her intention to represent herself in court.

05:01

Self-Representation and Rights 📝

In this paragraph, the court explains to Anderson her rights, including the right to a speedy public trial, the right to face all witnesses against her, and the right to remain silent. Anderson confirms her understanding of these rights and her intention to self-represent, despite the court's suggestion to appoint standby counsel. The state argues for a high bond due to the severity of the charges and Anderson's out-of-state location, but Anderson counters by stating she has been under surveillance and thus not a fugitive. The court overrules her objection and sets her bond, while also suggesting the assignment of a public defender.

10:06

Bond Discussion and Court Assignment 💬

The final paragraph focuses on the discussion around Anderson's bond and the assignment of legal representation. Anderson argues against the need for a high bond, citing her surveillance by the NSA and Space Force. The court acknowledges the difficulty in locating her previously but ultimately decides to set no bond at this time, with the condition that if Space Force agrees to monitor her, the bond issue may be revisited. The court also orders that Anderson be assigned a public defender, who can withdraw if she proves her ability to self-represent. The proceedings are concluded with Anderson being remanded to the custody of the Washington County Sheriff's Department.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Witness

A witness in a legal context is a person who has seen an event or has knowledge relevant to a case and provides testimony under oath during a trial or hearing. In the transcript, the mention of 'witness' is in the context of a legal proceeding where the person is asked to stay up, possibly to provide testimony or be present during the trial.

💡Policy Number

A policy number is a unique identifier assigned to an insurance policy by the insurance company. It is used to track and manage the policy, process claims, and provide customer service. In the transcript, 'policy number 88 C 01 2210 f 1833' is likely related to a specific case or individual involved in legal proceedings.

💡Indigenous People

Indigenous people are the original inhabitants of a land or region who have a distinct cultural, linguistic, or historical heritage that predates the arrival of later populations. They often have specific rights and protections under international and domestic law. In the transcript, the mention of 'indigenous people of the United Nations' refers to the recognition and rights of these groups on an international level.

💡Social Security Number

A Social Security Number (SSN) is a unique identification number issued by the government in some countries, most notably the United States. It is used for tax purposes, to track earnings and benefits, and as a key identifier in many legal and financial transactions. In the transcript, the defendant states they do not have an SSN, which could imply a complex legal or social situation.

💡Criminal Conduct

Criminal conduct refers to actions that violate the law and are punishable by the legal system. It encompasses a wide range of activities, from minor infractions to serious felonies. In the transcript, the defendant is charged with 'three counts of criminal conduct', which includes serious crimes such as murder, neglect of a dependent resulting in death, and obstruction of justice.

💡Self-Representation

Self-representation in a legal context means a defendant chooses to represent themselves in court instead of hiring or being assigned a lawyer. This requires the defendant to understand legal procedures, evidence rules, and to conduct their own defense. In the transcript, the defendant expresses a desire to 'file a motion for self-representation', indicating their intention to take on this role.

💡Obstruction of Justice

Obstruction of justice is a criminal act that involves interfering with the judicial system, such as tampering with evidence, influencing witnesses, or otherwise impeding legal proceedings. It is a serious offense that can lead to severe penalties. In the transcript, one of the charges against the defendant is 'obstruction of justice', which involves altering or removing records with the intent to prevent them from being used in a legal investigation.

💡Public Defender

A public defender is a lawyer appointed by the state to represent individuals who cannot afford to hire a private attorney, typically in criminal cases. Public defenders play a crucial role in ensuring that all defendants have access to legal representation and a fair trial. In the transcript, the court considers assigning a public defender to represent Miss Anderson if she demonstrates the ability to understand and represent herself.

💡Bond

In the legal system, a bond is a financial guarantee that ensures a defendant will appear in court for their trial or other legal proceedings. The amount of the bond can vary based on factors such as the severity of the charges and the perceived risk of the defendant fleeing. In the transcript, the discussion around bond relates to the conditions under which the defendant may be released from custody before the trial.

💡Fugitive

A fugitive is a person who has evaded legal authorities, typically by fleeing to avoid arrest or prosecution for a crime. The status of being a fugitive can have significant implications for a person's legal situation, often leading to increased scrutiny and potential penalties. In the transcript, the defendant objects to being labeled a fugitive, citing surveillance by the NSA and Space Force.

💡NSA Surveillance

NSA surveillance refers to the monitoring activities conducted by the National Security Agency (NSA), a U.S. government agency responsible for global monitoring, collection, and processing of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes. In the context of the transcript, the defendant claims to have been under NSA surveillance, which they believe should preclude them from being considered a fugitive.

💡Space Force

The Space Force is a branch of the United States Armed Forces responsible for space operations. It was established to protect U.S. interests in space and deter aggression in, from, and to space. In the transcript, the defendant mentions being followed by a detail from the Space Force, indicating a high level of oversight and surveillance.

Highlights

The transcript begins with a witness statement and identification of policy number 88 C 01 2210 f 1833.

The case is State of Indiana versus Dejohn, Anderson, with MS Anderson representing the entity Dejan Anderson.

Dejan Anderson's full name is Princess Kia Haan two Pape the second, and her date of birth is February 2nd, 1961.

Dejan Anderson claims not to have a social security number but has a declaration of nationality as an indigenous person under the United Nations chapter 22 1593.

Dejan Anderson is charged with three counts of criminal conduct, including murder as a felony, neglect of a dependent resulting in death, and obstruction of justice.

The potential penalties for the charges include imprisonment ranging from 45 to 65 years for murder, 20 to 40 years for neglect of a dependent, and 0 to 2.5 years for obstruction of justice.

Dejan Anderson intends to file a motion for self-representation and claims to understand the nature of her case and the evidence involved.

Dejan Anderson mentions having a master's in history and being familiar with procedures and core practices.

The court informs Dejan Anderson of her rights, including the right to a speedy public trial, to face all witnesses against her, and to remain silent.

Dejan Anderson is scheduled for a pretrial conference on April 25th and a trial date on August 6th, with an omnibus date of June 15th.

The state argues for a high bond due to the gravity of the case and the defendant's history of evading capture.

Dejan Anderson objects to the state's claim, stating she has been under surveillance by the NSA and Space Force, and thus is not a fugitive.

The judge decides to appoint someone from the public defender's office to represent Dejan Anderson, pending her written request and demonstration of self-representation abilities.

The transcript concludes with the defendant being remanded to the custody of the Washington County Sheriff's Department.

The transcript includes discussions of classified evidence and federal investigations related to the case.

Dejan Anderson's case involves other cases currently open with Judge Advocate General courts.

The judge sets the bond at no bond, with the condition that if Space Force is willing to monitor Dejan Anderson, the issue of bond may be revisited.

The transcript highlights the procedural aspects of the legal process, including the reading of rights and the setting of court dates.

Transcripts

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Witness and

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have her stay up.

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They

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witness

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policy number 88 C 01 2210 f 1833. State of Indiana versus Dejohn

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Anderson,

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MS Anderson for the record. Would you state your full name, please?

00:30

Yes, I am Princess Kia

00:32

Haan

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two

00:33

pape the second

00:34

representing the entity Dejon

00:36

Anderson.

00:37

You're known as Dejon

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Anderson.

00:40

I'm representing the entity of Dejan Anderson

00:45

and your date of birth.

00:46

My date of birth is February 2nd 1961.

00:52

That would make you how

00:53

old

00:53

that would make me 63 years old

00:56

and the last four digits of your social security number.

00:58

I do not have a social security number. I have a declaration

01:01

of nationality underneath the was a

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top Morris

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of the indigenous people of the United Nations chapter 22 1593.

01:12

What's your address?

01:13

My address is,

01:23

do you have a good contact telephone number?

01:26

Um I don't know my contact number by heart. I believe it's.

01:33

Are you under the influence? Do any drugs include alcohol today?

01:36

No, I'm not. You read and understand the English language. Yes, I do.

01:39

If I say something you don't understand, will you let me know. I most definitely will

01:45

Sanderson,

01:52

Officer Music who's investigated this and

01:55

looking for you for the past two years

01:58

and Prosecutor Hunt have charged you with three

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counts of criminal conduct. Count. One

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is murder as a felony

02:08

would indicate

02:09

that between April the 10th 2022

02:13

and April the 16th 2022

02:16

in Washington County, state of Indiana,

02:19

you did knowingly or intentionally kill another

02:21

human being that being child victim.

02:24

Number one,

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contrary to the form of the statute,

02:27

such cases made and provided by Indiana code 35-42 dash 1-1

02:33

parenthesis

02:35

and against the peace and dignity of the state of Indiana

02:40

count two

02:42

neglect of a dependent resulting in death as a level one felony

02:48

would indicate between December the 1st 2021 and

02:52

April the 16th 2022 in Washington County,

02:56

state of Indiana, you being of late at least 18 years of age

03:01

and having the care of child victim.

03:03

One, a dependent less than 14 years of age did knowingly place

03:09

said the dependent in a situation that endangered the

03:13

the pendant's life or health

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and which resulted in the death of child victim. Number one

03:22

count three obstruction of justice. As a level six felony

03:27

would indicate

03:28

that between April the 10th 2022

03:31

and April the 16th 2022 in Washington County, state of Indiana,

03:37

you did alter damage or remove a record document or thing with the intent

03:43

to prevent said item from being produced or used as evidence in a legal proceeding

03:49

or an administrative or criminal investigation.

03:52

Contrary to the form of the statutes made

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in such case provided

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the murder,

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a

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felony

04:01

has range of imprisonment from 45 years to 65 years.

04:05

With the advisory since the 55 years and up to a $10,000 fine,

04:12

the level one felony to collect of a dependent

04:15

resulting in death has a range in prison from

04:18

20 years to 40 years with the advisory since being 30 years and up to a $10,000 fine

04:25

and the level six felony

04:27

as arrange of imprisonment of no time in jail for

04:30

treated

04:30

this

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mis

04:31

the 2.5 years at the Indiana Department of Corrections with the

04:35

advisory sentence being one year and up to a $10,000 fine.

04:40

Do you understand what you've been charged with?

04:43

I do

04:43

understand.

04:44

Ok.

04:44

And do you understand the potential penalties?

04:47

I do,

04:48

do you intend to hire a lawyer or is someone likely to hire a lawyer for you?

04:53

Uh I wanna file a motion for self representation.

05:00

You understand, if you do that,

05:04

you are required to conduct yourself as a lawyer

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to be able to board our

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uh potential jurors to abide by the rules of evidence,

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to abide by the rules of procedure.

05:18

I do understand. I have a master's in history

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that doesn't give you a lot of

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reason,

05:23

but I do understand how to read procedures and understand the core procedures

05:28

just because of,

05:31

just because you represent yourself that that doesn't make,

05:35

doesn't insure yourself of a good lawyer. You know,

05:39

that's a personal opinion, but I understand,

05:43

make your, make your request in writing.

05:46

Ok,

05:46

I will most definitely.

05:49

Can you give me at least just like five days and I could get it to you.

05:52

I can certainly give you

05:54

five

05:54

days to

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do

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that.

05:55

I think what my intention would be.

05:58

Let me ask you this. Can you afford a lawyer?

06:02

Um, it's not that I can't afford a lawyer. It's that I wanna do self res

06:06

representation due to, I understand the nature of my case

06:10

and I understand that this is my life on the line and I,

06:13

I do understand that there are things that involve my

06:17

case as far as the evidence that I hold,

06:20

which is q classified evidence,

06:22

which should be turned over to

06:23

judge Advocate General courts immediately if possible

06:27

because my case involves other cases that are open currently with Judge

06:32

Advocate General courts as well as federal investigations that are open.

06:39

Well, the Judge Advocate General uh,

06:41

approaches us and we'll address it at that point in time.

06:45

Mhm.

06:48

How about I appoint you stand by counsel?

06:50

Uh No, thank you.

06:51

No, thank you.

06:54

You make a written question.

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I need to advise you. You have a right to a speedy public trial.

06:59

By jury in this county, you have the right to face all witnesses against you,

07:03

see your question and cross examine those witnesses.

07:05

You have the right to have witnesses brought in to court to testify on your behalf.

07:09

And at your request, the court will issue subpoenas requiring those individuals

07:14

to come into court to testify on your behalf, to bring evidence in.

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You have the right to have the state prove you guilty. Beyond a reasonable doubt,

07:21

you have the right to remain silent,

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cannot be required to give any testimony or

07:25

make any statements against yourself to anyone.

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You do have the right to be heard in your own

07:30

defenses in hearing your trial concerning the charges against you.

07:34

Anything you say however, may be used against you.

07:37

Do you have any questions concerning your rights?

07:40

No, I do not

07:42

and I will set this matter for a pretrial conference on the 25th day of April

07:48

at

07:49

9 a.m.

07:53

A trial date of the sixth day of August

07:56

of this year at 8:30 a.m. and an omnibus date of June the

08:00

15th.

08:02

Do you have any questions at all?

08:04

No, I do not have any questions.

08:08

You'll sign this reappearance slip

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will

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discuss the issue of bond

08:17

miss. Uh

08:18

what's the state's position?

08:20

Yes, your honor.

08:21

Um

08:22

Given the gravity of this case.

08:24

Uh First of all,

08:25

I would like for you just to take judicial notice of the probable

08:27

cause affidavit that the state filed in support of these three charges as,

08:31

uh, which resulted in the arrest warrant.

08:33

I'd also like to bring to the judge's attention that

08:35

it's almost a two year mark of officers locating,

08:39

um, this at

08:40

the time on

08:41

an unidentified little boy in the woods.

08:43

Um,

08:44

so I would argue that the defendant has been a fugitive since that time has, uh,

08:48

her identification has been made.

08:51

Um, I think that raises any bond

08:54

in a murder case to be something

08:56

of the utmost importance and should be of an amount

08:59

that should be very

09:01

difficult if not impractical for her to,

09:04

to be able to afford her. I feel she will be

09:07

uh

09:08

absconded from this, this court. She's never been from Indiana.

09:11

She's not from Washington County is my understanding.

09:14

She was located in, in California.

09:17

So on that reserve, I would leave that to the court.

09:20

Uh

09:20

And if further motion is needed on the state's behalf, I will make that

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can

09:26

make

09:27

you

09:27

just made an objection.

09:29

State

09:30

the basis of your objection.

09:31

The basis of my objection is the fact that I am not a fugitive.

09:35

I have been under NSA surveillance for the past eight months.

09:40

And how can that qualify me as a fugitive on the run when

09:44

I'm also had a detail from space force that was following my every move

09:49

when I contacted

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the

09:52

Indiana State.

09:53

That is not a valid legal objection.

09:56

If you wanna represent yourself,

09:57

you're gonna have to learn the rules of evidence and the rules of procedure

10:00

because if you conduct yourself like this and make these types of objections,

10:05

you have no chance.

10:09

So objection overrule, but I will let you make argument in regards to Bond.

10:14

Ok.

10:15

Well, thank you.

10:17

So that's my, my argument is that

10:19

I have been under surveillance by NSA for over eight months.

10:24

I also have a detail that follows me everywhere I go from Space Force military as to,

10:30

I also contacted Indiana State.

10:33

I think it was a federal marshal that I called to have my location track to pick me up.

10:39

So there's no

10:41

type of extent of me running where I need this astronomical bond

10:47

on my charges.

10:49

Well,

10:50

that's sort of interesting because it's my understanding

10:53

office of Music has been in touch with almost

10:55

every one of those agencies and they haven't

10:57

been able to identify your location until recently.

11:01

So

11:01

I'm gonna set your bond with no bond at this particular point.

11:04

And that point in time that if space force comes forward and

11:07

tells me that they're willing to monitor you,

11:11

uh, we'll take up the issue of bond at a later time.

11:17

Anything else?

11:18

No, your honor.

11:21

All right. We'll be off record at 144.

11:25

You can,

11:26

she's remanded to the custody of the Washington County Sheriff's Department.

11:31

Thank

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you.

11:32

Thank you. You're welcome.

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0,

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2075

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stuff.

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But it

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was,

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it's coming.

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The health

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Ok.

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Ok.

12:02

01 2nd.

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Go back home.

12:14

Right.

12:15

Right.

12:16

Based on what I've just heard,

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I'm gonna ask someone from the public defender

12:20

office to be assigned to represent Miss Anderson,

12:23

uh, if she files a, a written request and demonstrates that she has the ability, uh,

12:28

to understand and comprehend, um,

12:30

and represent herself, I mean,

12:34

ask them to withdraw or require no longer require their services. But, uh, I

12:40

think it's appropriate that someone from the public defender

12:42

office be assigned at this particular point in time.

12:45

If private counsel is hired, they can withdraw,

12:50

we'll be it now, we'll be off record.

12:52

Thank you.

13:01

Thank

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you.

13:27

Fair.

13:28

Ok.