Jury hears secret recording of Trump discussing catch-and-kill payment

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I AM DIANE MACEDO TODAY

ON ABC NEWS LIVE FIRST COURT

IS NOW IN RECESS.

A STAR WITNESS, MICHAEL COHEN,

TESTIFIES FORMER

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CRIMINAL HUSH

MONEY TRIAL.

TRUMP'S FORMER LAWYER FIXERS

PROVIDING TESTIMONY THAT COULD

ULTIMATELY DETERMINE

THE OUTCOME OF THE TRIAL.

ABC NEWS EXECUTIVE EDITORIAL

PRODUCER JOHN SANTUCCI SENIOR

REPORTER, KATHERINE FAULDERS

AND LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR

BRIAN BUCKMIRE JOIN ME NOW FOR

MORE ON THIS.

>> JOHN, WHAT'S THE LATEST FROM

COURT?

WE'RE ON A BREAK.

IT'S BEEN A REALLY TENSE

MORNING SO FAR.

SO I THINK THAT BREAK IS NEEDED

FOR EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM.

I THINK WHAT'S BEEN INTERESTING

FROM JUST OUR TEAM'S

OBSERVATIONS IS HOW QUICKLY WE

MOVED PAST THE NICETIES, IF

YOU WILL RIGHT INTO THE MEAT

AND POTATOES.

THIS CASE, WE'VE GOTTEN

THE DOORMAN'S JEWELRY WE'VE

GOTTEN THE KAREN MCDOUGAL

STORY, WE'VE GOTTEN THE AUDIO

RECORDING OF DONALD TRUMP AND

MICHAEL COHEN TALKING ABOUT HOW

KAREN MCDOUGAL WAS GOING TO BE

PAID OFF BY AMI DAVID PECKER

IN THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER".

I THINK IT'S REMARKABLE

HOW FAST THINGS ARE MOVING

IN THIS COURTROOM, BECAUSE

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE KNOW

THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT

OF TIME AND ENERGY NEEDED TO BE

SPENT ON THE STORMY DANIELS

STORY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE STORY

THAT IS THE ONE OF THIS ENTIRE

CASE, THESE 34 CRIMINAL COUNTS

ARE BUILT AROUND, DIANE.

SO IT'S INTERESTING IN THAT

RESPECT.

THE OTHER OBSERVATIONS JUST

FROM OUR TEAM COLLECTIVELY, IF

I CAN QUICKLY HIT THEM ONE.

THE EYE CONTACT AND LACK

THEREOF.

MICHAEL COHEN LOOKING STRAIGHT

AHEAD.

A PROSECUTOR, IS DONALD

TRUMP EYES CLOSED SOMETIMES

SWAYING HIS HEAD A LITTLE BIT,

BUT LOOKING STRAIGHT AHEAD

AS WELL.

VERY LITTLE FROM EITHER MAN

IN THAT COURTROOM.

AND TWO MEN.

LET'S BE CLEAR THAT TO EACH

OTHER MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY,

AS MICHAEL COHEN TESTIFIED.

THE JURY, INTERESTINGLY, STONE

COLD THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS.

THEY'RE WATCHING EVERYTHING

TAKING NOTES, KIND OF LIKE

YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW,

PAYING ATTENTION TO EVERYTHING

THAT IS HAPPENING IN THAT

COURTROOM, BECAUSE I THINK

THERE'S A LOT THAT PROSECUTORS

ARE VERY QUICKLY TRYING TO TICK

THROUGH WITH MICHAEL COHEN

AS WE BUILD UP TO THE STORMY

DANIELS PAYMENT.

>> BRIAN, WHAT STICKS OUT

TO YOU FROM THIS TESTIMONY SO

FAR?

INTERESTING.

NOT THAT MUCH.

IT'S -- IT'S EXACTLY AS WE

EXPECTED IT TO KIND OF PLAY OUT

SO FAR, KIND OF MARCHING OUT

STEP BY STEP.

AND I'M ACTUALLY WAITING FOR

SOMETHING TO STICK OUT.

I'M WAITING FOR THAT KIND

OF SMOKING GUN.

AND I THINK WE MIGHT EXPECT IT

GOING FORWARD.

BUT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU TOLD ME

THIS WAS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN

3 HOURS AGO, I WAS LIKE, YEAH,

THAT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE

.

>> WHAT I DO WANT TO DO IS I

WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT

IN TERMS OF HOW THE COURTROOM

OPERATES BECAUSE MAYBE NOT

EVERYONE'S BEEN IN A

NEW YORK CITY COURTROOM.

WHEN YOU WALK INTO COURTROOM,

ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS ALWAYS

WHERE THE DEFENSE TABLE IS.

AND ON THE LEFT IS THE

PROSECUTION.

AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE

JUDGE, THE JUDGE HAS

THE TYPICALLY ON THEIR

RIGHT SIDE.

SO WHEN WHEN JOHN TALKS

ABOUT BOTH MEN BE ABLE TO JUST

STARE STRAIGHT FORWARD,

THEY CAN ACTUALLY SIT IN THAT

COURTROOM, WHICH SHOULD BE VERY

TIGHT AT TIMES AND NOT

ACTUALLY LOOK AT EACH OTHER.

>> SO, AGAIN, DONALD

TRUMP BEING ON THE RIGHT SIDE

IS LOOKING FORWARD AND COHEN

LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE

PROSECUTORS TABLE WITH A JURY

TO HIS RIGHT.

BUT, JOHN, THAT'S A STARK

CONTRAST TO WHEN COHEN

TESTIFIED IN THE CIVIL TRIAL

AGAINST TRUMP.

>> WELL, BUT I ALSO THINK

THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS A SHARP

CONTRAST TO DONALD TRUMP IN

THESE PROCEEDINGS.

RIGHT.

BECAUSE THE CIVIL CASE,

HE COULD GO WHEN HE WANTED.

RIGHT.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE HE MADE AN

APPOINTMENT AT ONE POINT WHEN

MICHAEL COHEN WAS SUPPOSED

TO TAKE THE STAND.

IN THAT CASE, HE ACTUALLY ENDED

UP NOT GETTING CALLED BY

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT DAY.

SO IN HINDSIGHT, WHICH

IS ACTUALLY INTERESTING HERE

IN THESE PROCEEDINGS, DIANE,

THIS IS THE REAL FACE OFF

THAT YOU CAN'T AVOID.

AND I THINK THAT FOR DONALD

TRUMP, THIS IS THE CASE WHERE

IT'S JUST IT'S SO PERSONAL,

RIGHT?

BECAUSE LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENED,

RIGHT?

WE TALK ABOUT THE CIVIL CASE.

THE CIVIL CASE WAS BIGGER THAN

MICHAEL COHEN, RIGHT.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BEEN

WORKING ON IT FOR YEARS.

THERE WAS A LOT MORE DOCUMENTS

AND RECORDS AND MATERIAL

THAT WENT INTO THAT CASE BEYOND

ONE INCIDENT.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT ONE INCIDENT,

ONE INCIDENT THAT ONLY

THREE MEN KNEW ABOUT DONALD

TRUMP.

DAVID PECKER.

MICHAEL COHEN.

HERE'S THE PROBLEM ONE OF THEM

TALKED.

>> KATHERINE COHEN ALSO

TESTIFIED THAT HE SPOKE

TRUMP MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.

AS JOHN JUST POINTED OUT.

HOW DIFFICULT DOES THAT MAKE IT

FOR THE DEFENSE TO TRY TO SAY

THAT TRUMP KNOW ABOUT SOME

OF THE THINGS THAT COHEN WAS

DOING?

>> YEAH IT DOES MAKE IT QUITE

DIFFICULT FOR THE DEFENSE TEAM.

I'M CURIOUS HOW THEY TRY

AND POKE HOLES IN THAT, GIVEN

THAT COHEN WAS ONE OF

THE CLOSEST TO TRUMP SINCE

THE VERY BEGINNING, FRANKLY.

SO THE FACT THAT THEY TALKED

EVERY DAY, HE RECALLS

CONVERSATIONS SPECIFIC,

CONVERSATIONS THAT HE HAD

WITH TRUMP ABOUT THESE

PAYMENTS.

IT DOES AT END OF THE DAY, MAKE

IT DIFFICULT FOR THE DEFENSE.

I THINK THE DEFENSE TEAM,

TRUMP'S LAWYERS ARE REALLY

GOING TO TRY AND FOCUS

ON COHEN'S CREDIBILITY.

ALL THEY HAVE HERE,

THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT HE'S

A LIAR AND HE'S BEEN

CONVICTED OF LYING

AND THEREFORE HE SHOULDN'T

BE BELIEVED.

FOR EXAMPLE, COHEN DID SAY

THAT HE ON THE STAND TODAY

THAT HE LIED FOR DONALD TRUMP.

THAT MIGHT HELP PROSECUTORS

IN TERMS OF THE REASONS WHY

HE WAS LYING.

BUT THAT'S WHAT TRUMP'S DEFENSE

REALLY HINGES ON HERE,

THAT BECAUSE HE'S LYING,

IT'S JUST HIS WORD AGAINST

THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING REALLY

TO BE BELIEVED HERE.

IT DOES MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT

THAT THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO TRUMP

HAD IN HIS INNER CIRCLE FOR

YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.

>> AND JOHN COURT'S IN RECESS

NOW.

BUT WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHO'S

IN COURT TODAY?

I MEAN, THE BETTER QUESTION

IS WHO'S NOT IN COURT TODAY?

EVERYBODY IS IN COURT TODAY.

BASICALLY, SO MANY OF DONALD

TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN APPARATUS

IS IN THERE.

WE HAVE TWO UNITED STATES

SENATORS IN THERE TODAY, TOMMY

TUBERVILLE, THE SENATOR FROM

ALABAMA, J.D. VANCE,

A POTENTIAL VEEPSTAKES

CONTENDER FOR DONALD TRUMP FROM

OHIO, IS IN THE COURTROOM.

HIS SON, ERIC TRUMP, IS IN

THE COURTROOM.

THIS IS A SHOW OF FORCE TODAY,

RIGHT?

THIS IS A WAY TO SHOW EVERYBODY

IS HERE SUPPORTING ME, BECAUSE

I'M THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE.

I SHOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY.

I SHOULD BE OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN

TRAIL.

MAYBE NOT SO MUCH ALABAMA

BECAUSE HE'S GOT THAT LOCKED UP

AS A REPUBLICAN.

BUT OHIO WILL BE A GOOD PLACE

TO GO.

ALL OF IT IS MEANT TO CREATE

THE IMAGE OF I DON'T NEED

TO HERE.

THIS IS A JOKE TO DONALD TRUMP.

IT'S ALSO, THOUGH I, THINK

IN PART A WAY TO HELP

KEEP DONALD TRUMP CALM.

RIGHT THE MORE PEOPLE THERE,

AS PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED AND YOU

AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS,

BRIAN, THAT IT'S A TACTIC.

RIGHT.

A LITTLE BIT OF JUST BEING ABLE

HIM TO LOOK AROUND AND TALK

TO PEOPLE, GET A HEAD NOT OR

SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

I WILL SAY, THOUGH, WITH ALL

OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM,

EVERYTHING WE'VE OBSERVED

IN OUR TEAM IS LITERALLY

RIGHT BEHIND DONALD TRUMP THIS

MORNING.

DIANE HASN'T DONE THAT ONCE,

HASN'T TURNED AROUND.

HAS ANYBODY?

IT REALLY ENGAGED ANYBODY ELSE

IN THE ROOM?

I THINK THIS IS THE DAY THAT IS

JUST SO HARD FOR HIM TO HEAR

ANY BIT OF IT.

>> AND AGAIN, I SHARE THAT I

THINK JUST EARLIER.

BUT JUST TO GO AT IT AGAIN,

THIS WAS A PERSON THAT DIDN'T

WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP AND

SHOWED LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP.

IT WAS THAT REASON THAT HE

BECAME AN EMPLOYEE OF DONALD

TRUMP'S THAT TRUMP CREATED

A JOB FOR MICHAEL COHEN.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, DESPITE

THE STRONG SHOW OF SUPPORT HIM

ONLY ERIC TRUMP FROM THE FAMILY

HAS SHOWN UP.

ARE YOU SURPRISED WE HAVEN'T

SEEN MORE FAMILY MEMBERS?

I'M NOT IN COURT THROUGHOUT

COURSE OF THIS CASE.

I'M NOT PARTICULARLY NOW.

YEAH, I'M NOT BECAUSE YOU GOT

TO REMEMBER THAT EVERY MEMBER

OF THE TRUMP FAMILY IS A LITTLE

DIFFERENT.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT

IS IVANKA TRUMP HAS NOT BEEN

SEEN THIS ENTIRE.

RIGHT.

THINK ABOUT IT.

WHEN DONALD TRUMP ANNOUNCED

HIS FIRST PRESIDENTIAL BID,

WHERE MICHAEL COHEN ACTUALLY,

FUN STORY, RAN THE ROOM,

THERE'S A STORY I'LL TELL

YOU ALL CLIENTS REALLY GOOD BUT

ANYWAY TEASE BUT THE REALITY

IS THAT THAT WAS MICHAEL COHEN

SHOW BUT IT WAS A SHOW

THAT DEBUTED WITH IVANA TRUMP.

SHE INTRODUCED DONALD TRUMP,

THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.

SHE HAS NOT BEEN TO HIS MOST

RECENT PRESIDENTIAL KICKOFF,

THOUGH.

SHE'S NOW A FLORIDIAN LIKE

DONALD TRUMP.

SHE DIDN'T MAKE THE DRIVE UP

FROM MIAMI, PALM BEACH.

YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP JR

IS MORE THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL FOR

DAD IS MORE OUT AND ABOUT DOING

OTHER.

AS WE JUST REPORTED ON ABC NEWS

A COUPLE OF SECONDS AGO,

DIANE DONALD JUNIOR

ACTUALLY WAS OUT OF FEDERAL

PRISON THIS WEEKEND VISITING

ALLIES OF DONALD TRUMP,

THE FORMER PRESIDENT BEING

PETER, OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW,

HE WAS CONVICTED FOR NOT

COMPLYING WITH.

A JANUARY SIX COMMITTEE

SUBPOENA ULTIMATELY IS TRIED

TO APPEAL THAT.

SO FAR UNSUCCESSFUL.

HE'S GOT ONE MORE APPEAL OUT

THERE.

HIS TEAM HOPES.

BUT IT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC.

BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED.

I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION

THAT EVERYBODY HAS ASKED ME

THROUGHOUT ALL THIS COVERAGE

ARE, WE GOING TO SEE MELANIA.

NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE

MELANIA I'M SORRY, SHE'S NOT

GOING TO COME TO THESE

PROCEEDINGS BECAUSE, AGAIN,

THINK ABOUT WHEN ALL THESE

STORIES CAME OUT, WE REPORTED

IT IN REAL TIME.

I WISH YOU WERE UP HERE WITH ME

BECAUSE I'D BE LOOKING AT YOU

RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DID THIS

TOGETHER.

MELANIA TRUMP LEFT THE WHITE

HOUSE WHEN STORMY DANIELS KAREN

MCDOUGAL CAME OUT WITH THEIR

STORIES.

SHE COULDN'T TAKE IT.

HOPE HICKS TESTIFIED THEY KEPT

NEWSPAPERS OUT OF THE RESIDENCE

JUST TO KEEP IT AWAY FROM

MELANIA AND DONALD TRUMP.

SO IF ANYBODY WOULD THINK

BE THERE TODAY OR ANY DAY FOR

THIS TRIAL NOW, IT'S NOT

HAPPENING.

CATHERINE, I SEE YOU NODDING.

YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT?

WELL, NO, JOHN'S RIGHT.

SHE'S NOT GOING TO SHOW UP.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT JOHN AND I

HAVE TALKED ABOUT OFFLINE.

OBVIOUSLY, WHEN THIS HAPPENED,

SHE WAS NOWHERE TO BE.

I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT WE

WILL SEE AT LEAST MEMBERS

OF THIS CLOSE FAMILY.

WE'VE SEEN SOME.

BUT YOU CERTAINLY WILL NOT SEE

MELANIA TRUMP THERE.

>> BRIAN, HAVE YOU HEARD ANY

RED FLAGS IN MICHAEL COHEN'S

TESTIMONY SO FAR AREAS WHERE

YOU THINK THE DEFENSE IS GOING

TO JUMP ALL OVER THAT, NOT

AS YET?

I THINK THERE ARE DEFINITELY

PARTS OF HIS DIRECT EXAMINATION

WHERE THE DEFENSE WILL REVISIT

AND ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT,

BUT NOTHING THEY'RE REALLY

GOING TO DIG INTO.

I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING

TO BE SOMEWHAT SURGICAL IN THIS

AND FOCUS ON HIS CREDIBILITY.

THE ACTUAL STORY OF TRYING

TO PUT TOGETHER THIS CATCH

AND KILL SCHEME.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO PAINT

HIM AS THE RINGLEADER.

AND DONALD TRUMP KIND OF JUST

IS THERE FOR THE RIDE, SO

TO SPEAK, BECAUSE MICHAEL COHEN

HAS ALREADY PUT OUT THAT HE

WOULD LIE FOR DONALD TRUMP.

BUT I THINK THEY'RE GOING

TO TRY TO PUT PEOPLE THAT

TOWARDS YOU LIE BECAUSE

YOU KNEW IT WOULD BENEFIT HIM.

YOU KNEW YOU LIED, YOU KNEW IT

WOULD BENEFIT YOURSELF.

THIS ISN'T A MASTER PLAN

OF DONALD TRUMP TO MASTER PLAN

OF YOURS.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE

STARTING TO GET IN THE

TESTIMONY I THINK THAT'S WHERE

THEY'LL FOCUS COME

CROSS-EXAMINATION.

>> JOHN, WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING

FOR NEXT?

>> I'M WATCHING FOR WHEN

MICHAEL COHEN SAYS SOMETHING

THAT THE DEFENSE WILL JUMP

ON OR, LOSES HIS COOL AT ANY

POINT.

I THINK MICHAEL COHEN IS.

I MEAN, IT'S NO, NOT ME.

JUST HYPOTHESIZING.

MICHAEL COHEN'S KNOWN AS A

HOTHEAD.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN

SCREAMED AT BY MICHAEL COHEN,

IF YOU COVERED DONALD

TRUMP BACK IN THE DAY, PRESENT

AND ACCOUNTED FOR AT THIS TABLE

IS A GUY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE

EVEN SAW IN THOSE TIC TAC

VIDEOS THAT WE BROKE FIRST

ON ABC NEWS, DIANE, THAT,

YOU KNOW, HE COULDN'T HELP

HIMSELF.

RIGHT.

TALKING ABOUT THE CASE EVEN

WHEN HE SAID PREVIOUSLY

HE WASN'T GOING TO.

AND WHEN OUR STORY CAME OUT

AND HE THEN SAID HE WASN'T

GOING TO AGAIN, HE THEN SHOWED

UP WEARING A T SHIRT OF DONALD

TRUMP BEHIND BARS, A CARICATURE

OF DONALD TRUMP.

>> SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,

LISTEN, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE

HOURS.

IT'S ALL BEEN FINE.

BUT I THINK AS THE QUESTIONS

GET HOTTER, THE TOPICS

GET HEAVIER AS TIME GOES ON,

WHEN THE DEFENSE GETS UP THERE

,MICHAEL COHEN IS REALLY GOING

TO NEED TO BITE HIS LIP AND TRY

TO KEEP HIS COOL BECAUSE

WHAT THE DEFENSE WANTS TO DO,

RIGHT.

THEY WANT TO SHOW THE JURY

THAT THIS IS A GUY THAT'S NOT

STABLE.

THEY CAN'T KEEP IT TOGETHER.

AND THAT'S MICHAEL COHEN

IS REALLY GOING TO BE TESTED.

>> BRIAN, THERE WAS ALSO A PART

IN PREVIOUS TESTIMONY WHERE I,

I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW IF IT WAS

KEITH DAVIDSON OR DAVID PECKER

SAID THAT THEY WERE SO WORRIED

ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN WHEN

HE TALKED ABOUT HIS RESPONSE,

TRUMP LEAVING TO THE WHITE

HOUSE AND NOT HIRING MICHAEL

COHEN TO COME WITH HIM,

THAT ACTUALLY WORRIED MICHAEL

COHEN MIGHT TAKE HIS OWN LIFE.

DO YOU EXPECT THAT COME

BACK NOW IN TERMS OF AN ATTEMPT

TO QUESTION HIS STATE OF MIND?

IF IT DOES, THEN I THINK IT

WOULD BE SUSTAINED.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT A

JUDGE WILL ALLOW THAT.

I'M JUST KIND OF RUNNING

THROUGH THE EVIDENTIARY RULES

TO WHY THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT

AND WHY WOULD NOT

BE OBJECTIONABLE.

IT MIGHT BE A THEME THAT COMES

UP IN THE SENSE THE DEFENSE

WANTS TO ASK THAT QUESTION,

KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO GET

SUSTAINED.

BUT IT GOES TO THAT THEORY

OF YOU UNRING THAT BELL

AND IT'S UP TO THE JURY

TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANT

NAVIGATE THROUGH

THAT INFORMATION.

EVEN THOUGH A JUDGE WILL SAY

DON'T CONSIDER IT TO YOUR

ULTIMATE STANCE.

BUT YEAH, TO JOHN'S POINT, IF

YOU CAN SHOW THAT THE STAR

WITNESS IS UNSTABLE, THAT HELPS

THE DEFENSE IN EVERY WAY.

AND I THINK WE'RE NOT GOING

TO SEE THE AGGRESSIVE MICHAEL

COHEN ON DIRECT EXAMINATION.

BUT HOW WE SAW THE MICHAEL

SORRY, THE STORMY DANIELS

CROSS-EXAMINATION, WHICH

STARTED OFF PRETTY FIERY

AND CONTINUED ON AS WELL.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE

THAT AND THEN SOME WHEN IT

COMES TO MICHAEL COHEN TO TRY

TO THROW HIM OFF HIS GAME.

>> HE'S A HOTHEAD, BUT HE'S

ALSO AN ATTORNEY.

>> DOES THAT HELP YOU?

>> HE'S BEEN ON THE OTHER END

OF THIS OR SOME OF THE BIGGEST

HOTHEADS I KNOW OR ATTORNEYS

I'M NOT?

>> I'M NOT SURE I'M RELATED

TO A COUPLE.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW HE KNOWS HOW THIS

WORKS RIGHT HERE.

>> HE PRESUMABLY HE KNOWS

THE TRICKS.

>> HE CAN ANTICIPATE WHAT THESE

LAWYERS ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO.

AND THEY ALSO SAY AN

ATTORNEY WHO REPRESENTS HIMSELF

HAS A CLIENT FOR A FOOL.

AND THAT ARROGANT, I THINK

OF KNOWING YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY.

AND I WILL PUT MY HAND UP FIRST

AS WELL AS ONE OF THOSE

PEOPLE IS LIKE, YEAH, I CAN

PROBABLY OUTSMART MOST

PEOPLE TRY TO CROSS-EXAMINE ME,

BUT IN MY ATTEMPT TO DO THAT,

DON'T TOO HAPPY ABOUT THIS.

I THINK MY ARROGANCE AND MY

ANGER MAY COME OUT.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IF

I THINK I'M WINNING OR

THE ATTORNEY THINKS

HE'S WINNING, IT'S THE

PERCEPTION THAT THE JURY HAS.

AND YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE

TWO ATTORNEYS GOING BACK AND

FORTH AT EACH OTHER BECAUSE

AT THE END OF THE DAY,

THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING

DONALD TRUMP IS THE ONE WHO'S

HAVING THEIR CREDIBILITY

EVALUATED BY THE JURY.

IT'S MICHAEL COHEN.

SO IT HELPS.

BUT I'VE SEEN THE GOVERNMENT

GO THE WRONG WAY AS WELL.

>> AND CATHERINE, IT LOOKS LIKE

THEY'RE GETTING READY TO RESUME

THIS TESTIMONY NOW.

>> YEAH, IT DOES.

LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE COMING

BACK IN THERE, RETURNING TO THE

COURTROOM AFTER THE BREAK,

COHEN IS SEATED ON THE WITNESS

STAND.

OUR TEAM, AT LEAST INSIDE SAYS

THAT TRUMP WAS CONFERRING

WITH HIS LEAD ATTORNEY,

TODD BLANCHE, WHEN COHEN

REENTERED THE COURTROOM.

SO, OF COURSE, WE WILL SEE.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

BUT HE IS ON THE WITNESS STAND,

SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME NEWS

OUT OF THIS.

PRETTY SOON, DIANE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL BE WATCHING.

JOHN SANTUCCI,

KATHERINE FAULDERS,

BRIAN BUCKMIRE YOU ALL.

AND WE WILL BE COVERING THIS

TRIAL ALL DAY LONG.

WE'L