Experts discuss Baltimore bridge collapse investigation, early findings
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses a maritime incident where a ship lost propulsion before colliding with a bridge. James Meran, the president of the New York Board of Pilot Commissioners, explains the potential scenarios and emergency measures like dropping anchor. The conversation highlights the complexity of the situation, the training of pilots, and the challenges faced during emergencies. The interview also touches on the liability and legal implications of the accident, emphasizing the need for a thorough investigation by the NTSB and Coast Guard. The discussion includes the bridge's structural integrity and the ongoing rescue efforts, with the priority on search and rescue operations.
Takeaways
- 🚢 The ship lost propulsion and steering before the collision with the bridge, rendering it uncontrollable.
- 🌫️ A large puff of black smoke was observed just before the impact, possibly indicating a last-minute attempt to regain power or control.
- 🛳️ Pilots and captains are trained to drop anchor in such situations, but it may not always be effective to stop the ship quickly.
- 📏 The ship's size, over 900 feet long, makes stopping it a significant challenge even with emergency measures.
- 🚨 The Mayday call indicates a significant mechanical failure on the ship, which would be thoroughly investigated.
- 📝 Modern ships have Voyage Data Recorders (VDRs) that provide detailed information about the events leading to an incident.
- 👨⚖️ James Maran, a maritime attorney, suggests that the liability case will be complex and take years to resolve, involving multiple parties and claims.
- 🌉 The bridge's design and ability to withstand such an impact is questioned, considering the ship's massive size and force.
- 🛠️ The investigation into the cause of the accident will be led by the NTSB and the Coast Guard, with a focus on understanding the mechanical failure.
- 🔍 The structural integrity of the bridge had been inspected, with concerns raised in a recent report, which will be a factor in the investigation.
Q & A
What does it mean when a ship loses propulsion before the bridge collapses?
-When a ship loses propulsion before the bridge collapses, it implies that the ship has lost both steering and power. This situation renders the ship unable to navigate effectively and it becomes a 'dead ship' being carried by the current or its own momentum, significantly limiting the options available to the crew in maintaining steerage, especially in narrow channels like the one in New York Harbor.
How might a pilot be trained to react to a loss of propulsion?
-Pilots are trained to handle such situations by fighting to restore power in the engine room, as without propulsion, maintaining steerage becomes extremely challenging. In some cases, they may also be trained to drop anchors, although this comes with the risk of running over their own anchors if the ship cannot go in reverse and has significant forward momentum.
What could the big puff of black smoke observed prior to the collision indicate?
-The big puff of black smoke could suggest that power was restored at the last minute and the pilot was attempting an emergency maneuver, such as going full astern or making a hard left turn, to avoid the collision.
What is the role of a voyage data recorder (VDR) in such incidents?
-A voyage data recorder (VDR) is the maritime equivalent of a black box in airplanes. It records various parameters of the ship, including rudder angle and propulsion, as well as audio from the bridge. This information is crucial in determining the sequence of events leading to the incident and identifying the cause of the malfunction.
What are the potential legal implications of the incident?
-The legal implications are vast, involving damage to the bridge and the ship, casualty and injury claims, business interruption claims due to the halted commerce, and the need for a major salvage operation. The case could take years to resolve, involving numerous attorneys and significant insurance considerations.
How long would it take for a ship of this size to come to a complete stop after dropping anchors?
-Given the ship's length of over 900 feet and a speed of about eight knots, it would likely take the length of five or six football fields to come to a complete stop, even after dropping the anchors, due to the ship's momentum and power.
What is the significance of the ship's lights flickering before the collision?
-The flickering lights could indicate a momentary restoration of power, which might have been an attempt by the pilot to regain control and avoid the collision.
What is the role of the Coast Guard and NTSB in investigating such incidents?
-The Coast Guard and the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) will conduct a thorough investigation into the incident. They will examine the ship, interview surviving crew members, and analyze the voyage data recorder to determine the cause of the mechanical failure that led to the loss of propulsion and steering.
How does the infrastructure, such as the bridge, factor into the investigation?
-The investigation will also consider the bridge's design and ability to withstand such an impact. Federal inspection reports and the bridge's overall condition will be reviewed to understand if there were any pre-existing concerns that may have contributed to the rapid collapse of the bridge.
What are the search and rescue efforts like in the aftermath of the incident?
-Search and rescue efforts involve dive and rescue teams, sonar and infrared equipment to locate victims in the water, and aerial searches. The efforts are focused on identifying and reaching victims as efficiently as possible, taking into account the challenges posed by tides and the need for cautious operation near the collapsed bridge structure.
What precautions are being taken by the rescue team considering the recent bridge collapse?
-The rescue team is operating cautiously, maintaining a safe distance from the collapsed bridge structure to avoid any adverse conditions that may affect their operations and safety.
Outlines
🚢 Ship's Loss of Propulsion and Pilot's Response
The first paragraph discusses the situation where a ship lost propulsion before the bridge collapse. James Meran, the president of the New York Board of Pilot Commissioners, explains the implications of losing both steering and power, rendering the ship uncontrollable. He highlights the importance of the crew's efforts to restore power and the potential emergency maneuvers, such as dropping anchors, despite the challenges posed by the ship's size and momentum. The conversation also touches on the role of the voyage data recorder (VDR) in providing crucial information for the investigation.
🚨 Liability and Legal Implications
In the second paragraph, the discussion shifts towards the legal aspects of the incident. As a maritime attorney, James Meran elaborates on the complexity of the case, which involves damage to the bridge and ship, casualty and injury claims, business interruption, and cargo delays. He emphasizes the extensive litigation process and the need for thorough investigation to determine the cause of the accident. The conversation also notes the role of insurance in covering the significant costs associated with such incidents.
🔍 Investigation and Infrastructure Concerns
The third paragraph focuses on the investigation into the cause of the ship's accident and the structural integrity of the bridge. Robert Sewalt, a former chair of the National Transportation Safety Board, explains the difficulty of designing a bridge to withstand the impact of a large ship. The conversation addresses the federal inspection of the Key Bridge, which had been rated fair. The priority of search and rescue efforts is also highlighted, along with the challenges posed by the tides and the need for cautious operations due to the recent bridge collapse.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡propulsion
💡pilot
💡anchor
💡voyage data recorder (VDR)
💡bridge
💡salvage operation
💡liability
💡NTSB
💡rescue efforts
💡structural concerns
Highlights
James Meran, the president of the New York Board of Pilot Commissioners, provides insights on the ship's loss of propulsion and potential reactions of the pilot.
The ship lost both steering and power, rendering it a 'dead ship' just being carried by current or its own momentum.
A large puff of black smoke moments before the collision might suggest a last-minute attempt to regain power and maneuver.
Pilots and captains are trained to drop anchor in such situations, but the ship's momentum could cause it to run over its own anchor.
The ship's length and speed would require a significant distance to stop, even with anchors deployed.
The presence of a bow watch person and their readiness to deploy anchors in an emergency is crucial.
Modern ships are equipped with a Voyage Data Recorder (VDR), which records everything that happens on the bridge.
The investigation will involve examining the VDR to determine the exact sequence of events leading to the malfunction.
Robert Sewalt, a former chair of the National Transportation Safety Board, suggests the incident points to a mechanical error.
The steering system on the ship is hydraulically powered, and a loss of electrical power would result in a loss of steering.
The investigation into the cause of the incident will be led by the NTSB and the Coast Guard.
The bridge's design could not possibly withstand the impact of a ship with the mass of the one involved in the incident.
The latest federal inspection of the bridge scored it a six out of nine, indicating it was in fair condition.
Search and rescue efforts are the priority, utilizing sonar and infrared equipment to locate victims in the water.
Dive and rescue teams are deployed and will reassess their approach with the arrival of daylight.
The current in the water presents a challenge as it may have moved individuals away from the initial point of entry.
Structural concerns due to the bridge collapse require cautious operation by the rescue team.
Transcripts
for more on this story I want to bring
in James meran he is the president of
the New York Board of pilot
Commissioners this is a state agency
responsible for licensing and regulating
boat Pilots he's also a maritime
attorney thank you for being with us
James good morning Chanel nice to be
here so we can now report James the ship
lost propulsion before the bridge
collaps talk to us about what that
really means and how a pilot might be
trained to react to something like that
well what what's going to depend is if
when you say loss of propulsion whether
it lost steering and power if it lost
steering in power then basically it's a
dead ship uh just being carried by the
current or its own momentum uh I thought
it was very interesting that at the the
last second prior to the impact you did
see a big big puff of black real dark
black smoke which which which could
indicate Chanel that uh either power was
restored at the last minute and the
pilot was attempting to uh make an
emergency maneuver either by going full
a Stern or by making a hard hard left
turn uh you know and and so that that's
going to be very interesting to
determine whether or not uh they lost
power and steering uh or um and whether
or not it was restored because we see
that we see a lot of loss of propulsions
here in New York Harbor and the crew is
usually
fighting feverously uh in the engine
room to restore that power because
without that propulsion you're basically
uh uh you're just being trying to
maintain bare steerageway and in a
narrow you know Channel like this uh
where you could run a ground on one side
hit a bridge on the other side uh your
options are are very limited uh so uh
that's my observation of what I've seen
so far so James based on what we know
and just given the speed and the size of
this vessel was there any other way this
could have panned
out uh well one thing that the pilots
and the captains are trained to do in a
in a situation like this is is to drop
anchor uh the ship has two the two very
huge anchors uh the problem is that if
you have momentum going forward and you
can't go in reverse and you drop your
anchors you're can to end up running
over your own your own anchor now you
eventually may stop but you got to
remember this is a this ship is three
football fields long it's over 900 ft
long and someone reported it was going
about eight knots now eight knots is not
a big speed in in in an open area like
that but um uh it it it it would take
quite a while uh probably the length of
you know five six football fields to
bring that ship to a stop even after
dropping the anchors because of it's if
its power and momentum this is a
behemoth this is three football fields
long so but typically that's the only
recourse
that the pile to the captains have is to
drop their anchors and I imagine if they
didn't do that here we don't know we
haven't heard any reports on that
there'd be a good reason uh that they
fig figured that that that wouldn't
wouldn't have uh stopped the incident
from happening plus when you drop an
anchor usually the ship will start
swinging uh on its anchor and instead of
the bow hitting the bridge you could
have had the the stern of the ship
hitting the bridge so uh there was
really once they did a Mayday and
obviously the MayDay is a big big deal
because if the pilots radio to MayDay
then there was a big mechanical failure
either loss of propulsion steering or
both and James I don't know if we had
the answer to this question but I'll ask
it anyway just given where we saw the
ship had that moment where the lights
were flickering and then where we saw
that it actually hit the column and the
bridge came down in your assessment and
your in your experience would there have
been time to put that anchor
down you well it and that would depend
whether there was crew on the bow right
because the anchor is on the bow and
that and typically when ships get
underway like this from a port there's
there's there is a bow watch person and
and the NTSB the Coast Guard will be
looking at that was there someone on the
bow was there crew on Lookout and if
there is an emergency they should be
ready to deploy their anchors uh in in a
second's notice I mean the the the pilot
or the captain radios the bridge uh
excuse me radios the bow the crew member
on the bow has his radio they say drop
anchor and they would drop anchor so
that's going to be interesting to see if
that was looked at and it's also should
be noted that these ships have the the
functional equivalent of a black box and
I haven't heard anyone talk about that
yet but all these ships these modern-day
ships have what they call a vdr a voyage
data recorder so everything that went on
in that bridge it verbally is recorded
and that of course will be studied very
very carefully so they'll have to
determine well when when in the voyage
for example did the ship experience a a
malfunction whether it was power or or
steering and that'll be determined
because the voyage data recorder has a
has a a Time on it so it'll be it'll be
second by second by second so they'll
know exactly when the May Mayday was
radioed they'll know exactly when the
ship lost uh Power or propulsion by by
by what was going on in the bridge and
look these Pilots are very very
well-trained very skilled Pilots they've
probably done this Voyage thousands of
times it's not a challenging uh Voyage
so what makes it challenging is what
happened on the on the ship uh as far as
you know otherwise um maneuvering under
that bridge even at night is is is a is
a piece of cake for for these skilled
Maryland pilots and James we know that
you're also a maritime attorney so I do
want to ask you about what the liability
in this might look
like well well uh it it it's it's going
to be one heck of a case and it's going
to take a lot of attorneys for a lot of
years to sort through all all this with
the uh not only the damage to the bridge
the damage to the ship the the
casualties there'll be there'll be
fatality claims there'll be injury
claims there'll be you know business
Interruption claims for the the the
bridge collapsing the people that have
to get to and from work uh this the fact
that Commerce is stopping no ships are
going in no ships are going out there's
going to be a major Salvage operation
where they have to remove the the
remnants of the bridge there's going to
be a wreck removal a salvage and that's
going to take weeks and meanwhile you
have you may have a cruise ship in there
a cruise ship that was on their way in
and you know you're going to have so so
many Charter party disputes as to you
know that it could be perishable cargo
uh cargo delays so the the the the the
the litigation the maritime litigation
here is going to be a textbook like law
school type case
and there's going to be major
implications and obviously that's where
you know these big ships have major
Insurance behind them and uh hopefully
enough we'll see okay James Maran thank
you and for more on this developing
story we want to bring back in CBS News
Transportation safety analyst Robert
sewalt he is also the former chair of
the national Transportation safety board
Robert we're glad to have you back we
also have some new information we can
now confirm the shipped lost propulsion
before crashing into into the bridge
explain what that
means well that pretty much um uh says a
lot right there the uh we can see from
the video that the that the lights of
the ship blink out momentarily and then
come back on before it collided with the
with the pier or with the with the
bridge Piers um the steering system on a
on a ship like this is hydraulically
powered and so when you lose electrical
power you're going to lose the the
Hydraulics of course the rudder is
hydraulically powered so if they lost
steering if they lost power uh the ship
really cannot be steered so this
explains a lot right there so
essentially it sounds like this
indicates this was likely mechanical
error not user
error well uh that's what it sounds like
but there will be a very thorough
investigation and the real question
would be uh why if this is the case why
did the ship lose electrical power uh I
mean so why why did that happen that's
not supposed to happen so was there a
human error involved in that and what
kind of Clues Robert might we get from
both the ship itself and the surviving
crew
members we got a lot of lot of Clues
certainly uh with the surviving crew
they're going to be able to give their
firsthand account of it there's a
voidage data recorder which records a
lot of parameters of the ship like the
rudder angle and the propulsion of the
of the ship we'll have a void the
voidage data recorder also records audio
just like it would a a cockpit voice
recorder on a jet liner so there'll be a
lot of firsthand account of what
happened here and what the crew was was
experiencing and Robert we've been
showing our viewers this really dramatic
video all morning you see this massive
Bridge coming down in just a matter of
seconds so I have to ask you about you
know the question of infrastructure here
should a bridge like this have been
capable of withstanding a strike like
that
well I think when you're talking about a
ship that has has as much mass as this
ship does uh it would be physically
impossible to keep it from to keep to
design a bridge so that it could
withstand that sort of a of a hit so
Robert which agency now is going to be
leading the investigation into the
official cause what are the next steps
here so it will be um the investigation
will be conducted by both the NTSB and
the coast guard which of those will lead
that's up to them to decide if I had to
guess right now I would say that I
suspect the NTSB will be the lead agency
with the Coast Guard uh helping the NTSB
okay Robert salal thanks so much for
your time and your perspective we
appreciate this we have some information
from our CBS News data team and it shows
the latest Federal inspection of the Key
Bridge uh it scored a six out of nine
which is considered Fair uh it had been
in fair condition since 2008 one of the
concerns and this is from an inspection
in May 2022 was that the reinforced
concrete column one of those peers that
that the dolly the ship hit today that
it was downgraded from a health index of
77.8 to 64.9 that's in a May 2022
inspection a lot of people have
questioned just how the bridge could
collapse so fast uh again the the bridge
passed inspection but it's just worth
noting that there was a bit of concern
with the reinforced concrete column and
that the bridge was considered in fair
condition by federal inspectors with the
Department of Transportation rated 6 out
of nine overall so that is one of those
things that investigators are going to
be considering as they continue to look
into how the bridge collapsed continue
to look into the cause of this and of
course as the mayor has said those
search and rescue efforts are the
priority right now but it's just some
food for thought here as we continue to
look into every angle of this and just
to uh give you another look at what's
going on behind me not much has changed
we hear the helicopters in the air um we
are awaiting an update from local
officials as to whether they've been
able to get anyone else out of the water
uh and whether they've been able to
determine anything else about the cause
of this tragedy that happen here around
1:30 this morning for more on this
developing story we want to bring in
Kevin cartright the chief public
information officer for Baltimore fire
Uh Kevin I know you're a very busy
person today thanks for making time to
speak with us now we understand Cruiser
searching from the air and the water
this hour walk us through what's
happening on the ground the rescue
efforts underway right
now yes we do have our uh dive and
rescue teams um deployed uh as we we
have come into daylight right now we uh
will begin to reassess and uh determine
exactly how we will mostely and
efficiently be able to uh assess and
identify who we have in the water where
these victims are and how we'll best be
able to get uh to them um we will be
utilizing sonar um equipment as well as
infrared equipment to be able to
identify are so we have
us this morning okay we know two people
so far have been rescued seven
potentially or more are still being
search for any updates on those numbers
right now
Kevin actually those numbers uh remain
the same uh as I speak right now and
again uh the fact that we have daylight
right now will better Aid us in our
ability to uh be um uh successful
hopefully and and being able to identify
and location where these victims are as
I'm not far from the water's edge and I
can see that there is um a fair amount
of a current coming through here so the
fact that there tides coming through
could certainly take those individuals
uh bodies away from where they initially
may have gone into the water so we have
a few challenges ahead of us but we have
our dive rescue team members who are the
the most experienced and uh efficient
and and performing these types of tasks
so we're going to be relying heavily on
them and their expertise and you know
Kevin these images obviously just so
dramatic the devastation is so
widespread I'm wondering whether there
are any further structural concerns for
folks who are there part of the rescue
team on the ground and in the
water well certainly we are operating
cautiously uh with consideration that
this uh Bridge has collapsed so um
there's only so close that we'll be able
to get to
uh these structures uh with
consideration that hey this bridge has
just come down and we want to alleviate
and avoid any adverse um operating
conditions for our our rescue team
members Okay Kevin cartwrite thank you
so much for your time we appreciate this
you're quite welcome
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