‘Convicted felon Trump’: Stormy Daniels case has Trump desperate to avoid slammer
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the legal challenges faced by Donald Trump, including an impending criminal trial in Manhattan and his legal team's attempt to recuse the judge by filing a 37-page motion. The conversation highlights Trump's pattern of trying to delay the trial and the judiciary's response to his motions. It also touches on the historical context of political figures running for office while indicted and the potential impact of a conviction on Trump's candidacy.
Takeaways
- 🌟 The news report discusses the recent 4.8 magnitude earthquake on the east coast and its aftermath, emphasizing the hope that everyone is safe.
- 🚨 There's mention of former President Donald Trump's legal struggles, specifically his impending criminal trial set to start in 10 days, which he has been trying to delay.
- 📜 Trump's legal team has filed a 37-page motion calling for the judge to recuse himself from the case, a tactic they have attempted before, focusing on the judge's daughter's work as a Democratic political consultant.
- 🔍 The judge in the previous instance took the motion seriously, seeking guidance from the Advisor Committee on Ethics, which found no conflict of interest.
- 🤔 The main difference this time, according to Trump's lawyers, is that he is the presumptive Republican nominee, and they argue that the judge's daughter could benefit financially from the trial's outcome.
- 💡 The discussion includes the possibility that Trump is using these legal motions as a way to buy time before facing a jury that could hold him accountable for his actions.
- 👨⚖️ The Manhattan District Attorney is expected to file a reply to the recusal motion, and the judge's decision on the second attempt will be closely watched.
- 🗣️ The conversation highlights the importance of treating all aspects of the case with professional diligence, especially on the judicial and journalism sides.
- 🥊 A boxing analogy is made, suggesting that Trump's tactics are akin to a losing boxer trying to tie up their opponent, hoping to delay the trial until the November election.
- 📈 The potential impact on Trump's political future is discussed, as being found guilty and becoming a felon could significantly affect his ability to gain votes, especially from independents.
- 👀 The judiciary's role in handling Trump's repeated attempts to delay the trial is questioned, and the expectation is that judges should not be swayed by political considerations but should uphold the principles of due process.
Q & A
What was the main topic of discussion in the transcript?
-The main topic of discussion in the transcript is the legal efforts of Donald Trump to delay his criminal trial by filing a motion for the recusal of the judge, and the potential implications of the trial on his political future.
What event is mentioned at the beginning of the transcript?
-An earthquake with a magnitude of 4.8 in the Tri-State area, including New York, and its aftershock are mentioned at the beginning of the transcript.
What is the significance of the 37-page motion filed by Trump's legal team?
-The 37-page motion filed by Trump's legal team calls for the judge to recuse himself from the criminal trial, and it focuses on the judge's daughter's work as a Democratic political consultant, suggesting a potential conflict of interest.
How did the judge handle the previous recusal attempt by Trump?
-The judge took the previous recusal motion seriously, sought guidance from the Advisor Committee on Ethics, and ultimately denied the motion, finding no grounds for recusal based on the circumstances and the judge's relatives' non-involvement in the case.
What is the main argument of Trump's lawyers in the new motion for recusal?
-The main argument in the new motion is that the judge's daughter could potentially benefit financially from the developments in the trial, which could be used for fundraising for her Democratic clients, thus creating a conflict of interest.
What is the significance of the November election mentioned in the transcript?
-The November election is significant because it is seen as the 'bell' in this case, and there is a concern that Trump is trying to delay the trial by any means necessary to avoid a conviction that could impact his political future and chances in the election.
What is the historical context provided by one of the guests in the transcript?
-The historical context provided includes examples of political figures who ran for office while indicted, such as James Michael Curley in 1946 and Eugene Debs in 1912, and the outcomes of their respective situations.
How does the guest describe the judiciary's response to Trump's legal motions?
-The guest describes the judiciary as becoming more assertive, ruling more quickly, and not giving Trump the benefit of the doubt as often as before, indicating a shift in how they handle his legal motions.
What is the concern raised about Trump's repeated naming of the judge's daughter?
-The concern raised is that Trump's repeated naming and focusing on the judge's daughter, who has no involvement in the case, could potentially put her at risk and is seen as a form of naming and shaming, which is a repeated pattern of Trump's behavior.
What is the potential impact on Trump's political future if he is found guilty in the trial?
-If Trump is found guilty, he could become a felon, which may impact his ability to add to his coalition and attract independent voters, as there is evidence suggesting that some people would not vote for him if he has a felony conviction.
How does the transcript suggest the media should handle coverage of Trump's legal battles?
-The transcript suggests that the media should handle coverage of Trump's legal battles with professional diligence and provide context to help people understand why these events are happening, especially given the potential political implications.
Outlines
🌪️ Earthquake Impact and Trump's Legal Struggles
The paragraph begins with a mention of a 4.8 magnitude earthquake on the east coast, expressing hope for everyone's safety. It then pivots to discuss Donald Trump's attempts to delay his criminal trial, which is set to start in 10 days. Trump's legal team has filed a 37-page motion to recuse the judge, similar to a previous attempt involving the judge's daughter's work as a Democratic political consultant. The new argument is that Trump's presumptive Republican nomination could lead to financial benefits for his daughter from the trial's developments, which could be used for Democratic fundraising. The paragraph also touches on the Manhattan District Attorney's pending reply to the recusal motion and the potential for Trump to face a jury despite his repeated attempts to delay the proceedings.
📚 Legal and Journalistic Analysis on Trump's Motion
This paragraph features a discussion between a legal analyst and a journalist about the merits of Trump's motion to recuse the judge from his trial. The legal analyst believes the motion is unlikely to be successful, citing the judge's previous serious consideration of a similar motion and the guidance he sought from the Ethics Committee. The conversation highlights the importance of professional diligence in journalism and the judiciary, and the need to understand the context of Trump's actions. The discussion also touches on the potential impact of a felony conviction on Trump's political future and the historical precedents of political figures running for office while indicted or serving prison time.
🔍 Post-Conviction Analysis and Sentencing Considerations
The final paragraph of the script discusses the dynamics that shift after a conviction and the jury's decision, focusing on the sentencing phase. It suggests that once a defendant is found guilty, the main consideration is the appropriate sentence. The paragraph implies that the judge will look at the conduct of the defendant and compare it to sentences given to other defendants convicted under similar provisions. It highlights that this is a common statute used to prosecute such cases and that prison time is a likely outcome for those convicted.
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Keywords
💡Job Growth
💡Earthquake
💡Donald Trump
💡Manhattan Criminal Courthouse
💡Recuse Himself
💡Maine Factor
💡Adviser Committee on Ethics
💡Presumptive Republican Nominee
💡Recusal Motion
💡Fundraising
💡Political Or Legal Motions
💡November Election
Highlights
Job growth is mentioned, even with challenges to present a negative view.
A 4.8 magnitude earthquake occurred in the Tri-State area in New York, followed by an aftershock.
There is speculation that Donald Trump may be seeking delays in his criminal trial by looking for potential damages to the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse.
Trump's impending criminal trial for hush money is set to start in 10 days, and he has been trying to stop it.
Trump's legal team filed a 37-page motion calling for the judge to recuse himself, a tactic they have attempted before.
The motion focuses on the judge's daughter working as a Democratic political consultant, suggesting a conflict of interest.
The judge previously denied a similar motion to recuse, citing guidance from the Advisory Committee on Ethics.
Trump's lawyers argue that the judge's daughter could benefit financially from developments in the trial, which they claim would affect fundraising for her Democratic clients.
The Manhattan District Attorney is expected to file a reply to the recusal motion, and the judge's decision on the second attempt will be closely watched.
The judiciary's response to Trump's repeated attempts to delay the trial is a question of how long they must entertain such motions.
There is concern about the impact of a felony conviction on Trump's ability to garner votes, especially from independents.
Judges have an obligation to give every defendant, including Trump, due process and should not dismiss motions without considering new grounds.
The judiciary is becoming more efficient in ruling on cases involving Trump, not bending over backward to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Trump's pattern of naming and shaming individuals unrelated to his cases raises questions about the safety of those individuals.
Trump's strategy seems to be to delegitimize any process he dislikes by claiming unfair targeting, a tactic seen in various institutions and events.
There are historical precedents of political figures running for office while indicted, such as James Michael Curley in 1946 and Eugene Debs in 1912.
The dynamic shifts after a conviction, focusing on the sentence rather than the candidate status, potentially impacting Trump's political future.
Transcripts
JOB GROWTH WHICH EVEN FOX STRUGGLED TO GIVE A NEGATIVE
STRUGGLED TO GIVE A NEGATIVE
SPIN BUT THEY TRIED.
BUT WE DO BEGIN TONIGHT HOPING
EVERYBODY IS OKAY ON THE EAST
COAST FOLLOWING THE 4.8
MAGNITUDE EARTHQUAKE IN THE TRI-
STATE AREA IN NEW YORK PLUS THE
AFTERSHOCK 20 MINUTES AGO.
IF I DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER, I
WOULD EXPECT DONALD TRUMP IS
CALLING LAWYERS TO SEE IF THERE
WAS DAMAGE DONE TO THE
MANHATTAN CRIMINAL COURTHOUSE
IN THE HOPES THAT COULD DELAY
HIS IMPENDING HUSH MONEY
CRIMINAL TRIAL SET TO START IN
10 DAYS.
THAT IS BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE
THAT TRUMP HAS TRIED HAS BEEN
ABLE TO STOP THE TRIAL.
BELIEVE ME, HE HAS BEEN
DESPERATELY TRYING.
TODAY HE FOLLOWED THROUGH ON
HIS LATEST HAIL MARY PASS
HOPING HE COULD BUY SOME MORE
TIME BEFORE HAVING TO FACE A
JURY WHO COULD HOLD HIM
ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS AND
TOURNAMENT OF THE FIRST
PRESIDENTIAL FELON.
HIS LEGAL TEAM FILED A 37 PAGE
MOTION CALLING FOR THE JUDGE TO
RECUSE HIMSELF.
AND THAT MAY SOUND FAMILIAR
BECAUSE THEY ALREADY TRIED THAT
BEFORE LAST YEAR WITH A MAINE
FACTOR BEING HIS DAUGHTERS WORK
AS A DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL
CONSULTANT.
TO NOBODY'S SURPRISE, THE
MAJORITY OF THIS MOTION IS
FOCUSED ON HER AS WELL WITH
TRUMP'S LAWYERS STARTING TO USE
HER NAME IN THE SECOND SENTENCE
OF THE MOTION.
BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THE LATEST
GRIPE SESSION, LET'S REMIND
EVERYBODY WHAT HAPPENED THE
FIRST TIME HE TRIED THIS.
HE DIDN'T STEP DOWN LAST YEAR
BUT HE DID SHOW HE TOOK HIS
MOTION SERIOUSLY AND IN HIS
DECISION TO DENY THE MOTION, HE
CITED GUIDANCE HE SOUGHT FROM
THE ADVISOR COMMITTEE ON ETHICS
WHICH WROTE IN REGARDS TO THE
DAUGHTER THAT THIS CASE IS AN
INVOLVED EITHER THE JUDGES
RELATIVE OR THE RELATIVES
BUSINESS WHETHER DIRECTLY OR
INDIRECTLY AND THEY ARE NOT
PARTIES OR LIKELY WITNESSES IN
THE MATTER AND NONE OF THE
PARTIES OR COUNSEL BEFORE THE
JUDGE OUR CLIENTS AND THE
BUSINESS AND WE SEE NOTHING IN
THE INQUIRY TO SUGGEST THE
OUTCOME COULD HAVE ANY EFFECT
ON THE JUDGES RELATIVE AND THE
RELATIVES BUSINESS OR ANY OF
THEIR INTEREST.
SO WHAT HAS CHANGED?
ACCORDING TO TRUMP'S LAWYERS,
THE MAINE DIFFERENCE IS HE IS
THE PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN
NOMINEE AND AS SUCH HIS
DAUGHTER COULD SEE FINANCIAL
BENEFITS FROM DEVELOPMENTS IN
HIS TRIAL AND HE CLAIMS IT WOULD
CREATE FODDER FOR FUNDRAISING
FOR THE DEMOCRATIC CLIENTS
WHICH THE COMPANY WOULD MAKE A
MONEY ON THROUGH THEIR WORK. THEY ALSO CLAIMED THAT SINCE
THEY ALSO CLAIMED THAT SINCE
THE LAST RECRUIT RESULT --
RECUSAL REQUEST THERE WAS A
POST WITH HOSTILITY TOWARD
TRUMP AND THAT WOULD BE GROUNDS
FOR THE JUDGE TO RECUSE HIMSELF
AND WE ARE WAITING FOR THE
MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO
FILE THEIR REPLY FOR HIS
RECUSAL MOTION AND ULTIMATELY
SEE WHAT THE JUDGE DOES THE
SECOND TIME AROUND ON THIS
ISSUE.
AS I HAVE SAID, IF THE CLOCK
TICKS DOWN TOWARD APRIL 15, HE
IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING,
ANYTHING TO MAKE A PITSTOP AND
EVEN REFILING PAST MOTIONS FOR
DELAYS ARE HOPING FOR ANOTHER
EARTHQUAKE.
JOINING ME NOW IS THE FORMER
U.S. ATTORNEY AND PROFESSOR AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA LAW
SCHOOL AND A LEGAL ANALYST.
AND THE DEAN OF THE COLUMBIA
SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM STAFF
WRITER FOR THE NEW YORKER AND A
POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I WILL LET YOU START AND WHAT
ARE THE MERITS FOR THIS MOTION?
>> I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE
MERITORIOUS.
I THINK YOU HIT THE KEY POINT,
WHICH IS WHEN THE FIRST MOTION
TO RECUSE WAS FILED, THE JUDGE
TOOK IT SERIOUSLY AND HE WENT
THROUGH AN ETHICS COMMITTEE AND
THIS IS A RESOURCE ALL JUDGES
HAVE FEDERAL AND STATE AND SOME
FORM OF ADVICE FROM ETHICS
EXPERTS FOR WHEN AN ISSUE
ARISES THEY GET AN OPINION FROM
THE PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IT IS TO
STUDY THESE ISSUES AND THE
JUDGE DID IT THE LAST TIME AND
HE MAY EVEN DO IT AGAIN HERE.
ULTIMATELY, THIS DECISION
SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE SEE FROM
HIM VERY QUICK FULLY.
I DON'T EXPECT HE WILL LEAVE
THE CASE UNLESS THERE IS MORE
HERE THAN MEETS THE EYE.
>> WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT I
DID AND RECITE AND IT IS A
MOTION DULY FILED.
HE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO IT UNDER
THE LAW.
BUT WE DO KNOW UNDERLYING IT
IT'S THE SAME THING HE TRIED
THAT SHE WILL SOMEHOW MAKE
MONEY BECAUSE SHE IS STATING
THE GUY THAT WORKS WITH HER AND
WE DO KNOW IT IS BS BUT WE HAVE
TO GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS AND
TALK ABOUT THAT.
TO ME, IT FALLS ON HOW YOU
COVER TRUMP WORLD. >> IT ABSOLUTELY DOES.
>> IT ABSOLUTELY DOES.
I THINK THAT THERE IS A THING
THAT YOU WANT TO TREAT ALL OF
THIS WITH THE PROFESSIONAL
DILIGENCE AND EVEN ON THE
JUDICIAL SIDE AND CERTAINLY ON
THE JOURNALISM SIDE.
BENEATH THAT, THERE IS ALSO A
RECOGNITION OF WHAT THIS IS
WHICH IS TO MAKE A BOXING
ANALOGY THAT THERE IS AN OLD
TACTIC YOU SOMETIMES SEE OLD
BOXERS DO WHEN THEY KNEW THEY
WERE YOU LOSING TO TIE UP THE
OPPONENT.
>> AND IN THIS CASE THE BELL IS
THE NOVEMBER ELECTION AND THE
HOPE IS IF YOU CAN THROW ENOUGH
THINGS AND OBSTACLES AND
POLITICAL OR LEGAL MOTIONS THIS
THING WILL DRAG OUT AND I THINK
WE HAVE TO ON THE JOURNALISM
SIDE GIVEN THE FACTS HAPPENING
AND ALSO THE CONTEXT AROUND IT
SO PEOPLE GET A SENSE OF WHY
THIS IS HAPPENING. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HOW
>> I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HOW
LONG DOES THE JUDICIARY HAVE TO
DO THAT?
THEY HAVE TO TAKE THESE MOTIONS
AND GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS.
BUT IS IT POSSIBLE BECAUSE THIS
IS HIS LAST STITCH ATTEMPT AND
HE DOESN'T WANT THIS TRIAL TO
HAPPEN BECAUSE CLEARLY HIS
POLLSTERS ARE TELLING HIM IF HE
GOES THROUGH THIS CASE, WHICH
WON'T TAKE HIM A YEAR AND HE IS
THEN FOUND GUILTY HE IS THEN A
FELON.
THAT WILL IMPACT HIS ABILITY TO
ADD TO HIS COALITION AND GET
INDEPENDENCE TO VOTE FOR HIM
AND THERE IS A LOT OF EVIDENCE
THAT PEOPLE SAY HE WON'T VOTE
FOR HIM IF HE IS A FELON.
HOW LONG DOES THE JUDICIAL
BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT HAVE
TO KEEP GOING THROUGH THIS?
AT WHAT POINT DID THEY SAY THIS
IS FRIVOLOUS STUFF?
>> I THINK ANY JUDGE WHO WANTS
TO AND IS PAYING ATTENTION
APPRECIATES TRUMP IS NOW AT
THIS DESPERATE STAGE OF LAST
STITCH OFTEN NOT MERITORIOUS
MOTIONS.
SOMETHING I THINK IS TOUGH FOR
PEOPLE WHEN THEY DO LOOK AT
TRUMP TO WRAP THEIR ARMS AROUND
IS THIS NOTION THAT JUDGES HAVE
AN OBLIGATION THAT HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH POLITICS.
THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO GIVE
EVERY DEFENDANT EVEN AND
PERHAPS ESPECIALLY DONALD TRUMP
THE DUE PROCESS THAT WE ARE
ENTITLED TO.
THIS JUDGE MAY HAVE BEEN WELL
WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO NOT HEAR A
SECOND MOTION FOR RECUSAL AND
WHEN YOU MAKE A REQUEST TO
RECUSE YOU DON'T GET TO KEEP
FILING IT OVER AND OVER AND IF
YOU LOSE YOU CAN RAISE IT ON
APPEAL IF YOU GET CONVICT DID.
THE JUDGE IS BEING
CONSCIENTIOUS BECAUSE THERE ARE
NEW GROUNDS AND ADDITIONAL
CIRCUMSTANCES AND HE WILL GIVE
IT A HARD LOOK.
BUT I THINK WHAT IS CHANGING
WITH MOST OF THE JUDICIARY IS
THEY ARE RULING MORE QUICKLY
THERE AND NOT BENDING OVER
BACKWARDS TO GIVE DONALD TRUMP
THE BENEFIT OF EVERY DOUBT AND
THIS IS A JUDGE WHO LOOKS LIKE
HE IS SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING
THIS CASE TO TRIAL.
>> THE OTHER THING THAT IS
DIFFERENT IS WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE JUDGE'S FAMILY AND
TRUMP'S RELENTLESS THAT HE WILL
KEEP NAMING THIS YOUNG WOMAN
WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS
CASE AND HE WILL KEEP CALLING
OUT HER JOB WHICH HE DOES FOR A
LIVING AND MAY BE NAMING HER
AND SHAMING HER AND GETTING HER
TARGETED IS A REPEATED PATTERN
AND HE'S DONE IT WITH FANI
WILLIS AND LETITIA JAMES AND
AT SOME POINT IS HE A DANGER TO
PEOPLE?
>> THERE IS ANOTHER THEME WHICH
IS EVERY LEGITIMATE PROCESS
WHICH HE HAS BEEN ACCOUNTABLE
FOR OR ANYTHING HE DOESN'T LIKE
HE HAS MADE TO SEEM
ILLEGITIMATE COURT TRY TO PAINT
IT IS A LEGITIMATE AND THE WAY
YOU DO THAT IS TO SAY HE IS
BEING UNFAIRLY TARGETED AND
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
IOWA CAUCUSES IN THE 2016
ELECTION AND THIS IS WHAT
HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6 AND THE
2020 ELECTION AND WE HAVE SEEN
IT IN EVERY INSTITUTION AND
JOURNALISM IS BIASED AND
ANYTHING THAT HAS COME OUT THAT
HAS BEEN UNFAVORABLE TO HIM.
I THINK THIS IS THE LATEST
STRAND OF THAT WE SEE AS PART
OF A PATTERN AND I WILL GIVE
YOU SOME FOOTNOTES HERE WHILE
WE ARE TALKING.
JAMES MICHAEL CURLEY IN 1946,
MAYOR OF BOSTON, RAN FOR
REELECTION WHILE INDICTED AND
ACTUALLY WON, SERVED PART OF A
PRISON TERM WHILE IN OFFICE AND
APPOINTED ANOTHER PERSON IS A
CARETAKER AND CAME OUT RESUMED
THE MAYOR SHIP AND IN 1912
EUGENE DEBS RAN FOR PRESIDENT
WHILE BEHIND BARS AND RECEIVED
ALMOST 1 MILLION VOTES WHICH
WAS THE HIGHEST OF ANY
SOCIALIST CANDIDATE AND THOSE
ARE THE ONLY TWO EXAMPLES I
COULD COME UP WITH WHEN I WAS
TRYING TO RACK MY BRAIN ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENS WITH POLITICAL
FIGURES WHO HAVE BEEN INDICTED
BUT ARE STILL RUNNING FOR
OFFICE.
>> WHAT HAPPENS HERE?
IT IS A BIG QUESTION.
I DON'T BELIEVE OR IMAGINE HE
WILL SERVE TIME, ALTHOUGH I
GUESS HE COULD IN THEORY IN
THIS CASE AND IT WOULDN'T BE A
FELONY.
WHAT YOU THINK THE PROSPECTS
ARE THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL JOIN
THIS VERY NOTORIOUS AND VERY
BRIEF LIST WE HAVE GOTTEN OF
HISTORICAL FIGURES WHO HAVE
SERVED TIME AND IN OFFICE?
>> I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AS A
PROSECUTOR, 25 YEARS.
BUT SOMETHING YOU LEARN IS THE
DYNAMIC SHIFTS AFTER THERE HAS
BEEN A CONVICTION AND AFTER A
JURY PRONOUNCES THEIR DECISION
THAT SOMEBODY IS GUILTY.
THE ONLY THING LEFT TO CONSIDER
AT THAT POINT IS WHAT THE
SENTENCE SHOULD BE.
AT THIS POINT THE GRAVITAS OF THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS TRIED TO
THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS TRIED TO
WRAP HIMSELF IN, THIS I AM A
CANDIDATE LINE HE USES, THAT
REALLY DROPS OFF.
THE JUDGES SIMPLY LOOKING AT
ISSUES INVOLVING THE CONDUCT
AND SENTENCES GIVEN TO OTHER
DEFENDANTS FOR CONVICTION UNDER
THIS PROVISION.
THIS IS A BREAD-AND-BUTTER
STATUTE THAT PEOPLE USE AND
PEOPLE GO TO PRISON WHEN THEY
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