“I'm Laughing In Your FACE” Cenk Uygur vs Emily Schrader On Iran-Israel

this weekend Israel again found itself

under attack Iran fired more than 300

drones and missiles in a Revenge attack

for Israel's bombing of an Iranian

diplomatic compound in Syria after

decades aspiring through proxies

assassinations and subterfuge two Titans

of the Middle East are now on the brink

of full Warfare the region and the world

is suddenly a much more dangerous and

precarious Place Israel says it will

respond how and when it does could be

the difference between stability and a

full region

War we appreciate the US standing

alongside Israel as well as the support

of Britain France and many other

countries we have determined a clear

principle whoever harms us we will harm

them I took some Flack over the weekend

for immediately urging Israel to show

restraint in fact one of the people who

criticize me most viciously will be on

my panel debating exactly that point at

a moment many people have argued that

Israel is the only country on Earth as

expected to endure this kind of attack

and respond with restraint with caution

but my response is to say that's exactly

the point the whole reason Israel is

such a vital Ally to the West is because

it's supposed to be the adult in the

room a western facing Democratic

socially liberal bull walk in a

neighborhood of trigger happy Fanatics

if you don't want the United States to

be dragged into another Middle Eastern

bloodbath you should agree that this is

the time for his key Ally in the region

to prove his commitment to peace and

let's face it Iran is already already a

big loser here yes many Israelis would

have died if this attack had been

successful but it wasn't it was an

abject failure 99% of the drones and

missiles were swatted from the sky

Western and Middle Eastern allies

including Jordan and Saudi Arabia have R

ried behind Israel after months of

eroding their trust and patience with

increasingly brutal assault on Gaza for

Minister Netanyahu has reclaimed at

least a little of his reputation for

security which was dealt a terrible

permanent Blow by October the 7th but

for once I agree with President Biden

Israel needs to take the win because it

was a win these missiles did not land

and cause damage the Middle East is

simmering to the boil hundreds of people

are dying in Gaza every day as Israeli

hostages remain captives of Hamas it's

time to turn the temperature down not

pour fuel onto the fire in a few minutes

I'll be debating this with The Young

Turks founder Jen Yuga former

Congressman Joe Walsh and Israeli

journalist Emily shrer but first i'm

joined by by the exiled Crown Prince of

Iran Resa palavi uh Crown Prince it's

it's great to have you back on

uncensored first of all if I may get

your reaction to uh the attack by Iran

directly on Israel

soil well you know these are signs of a

regime that is becoming more and more

desperate and

vulnerable at the same time it's

launching uh an attack against Israel it

has been launching an attack at home on

Iranian women and trying to uh again

exercise its repression at home uh this

is going to be an ongoing problem and I

think ultimately the world needs to

realize that the root cause of many

problems we see in the area and not just

this one instance but in general is uh

the regime's nature and and behavior it

has not only affected Iranians or

Israelis it has also affected syrians

Iraqis Lebanese and other immediate

Neighbors in the

region Iran has operated uh through

proxies for a number of years obviously

this is the first time they've directly

attacked Israel in this manner how

significant is this

escalation well I think a lot of it is

perhaps mostly to for home consumption

to say we've done something uh one thing

that was really uh uh rendering it even

more of a is that despite launching so

many different missiles and drones none

of them actually reached Target so was

it really an exercise for purposes of

domestic consumption or was it actually

the intent to escalate uh I think this

time K took a huge gamble assuming that

uh probably there will be a lot of

pressure uh to keep these relies from

retaliating but then again I think we

should look beyond the Tit for Tat

argument I think the world needs to now

really uh scratch their head and say

look diplomacy has failed our

expectation of behavior change from this

regime over decades is pointless the

time has come to look for an ultimate

solution to the problem if we indeed

want to avoid escalation we have to put

an end to this regime which is the ask

of the Iranian people in the first place

but the world needs to seriously

consider that the only solution and

alternative is regime change in

Iran but how do how does the world

affect regime change in Iran

well two things number one is to

actually increase even more pressure on

the regime economically by means of

expanding the sanctions I think it is

time that the G7 and the European

countries join the US in putting the

irgc on the terror list this will

further put pressure on the regime to

Target the regime's officials

individually on their personal assets to

expel their diplomats or elements

associated with the regime that room

freely in European and American cities

uh and uh actually implement

further oil sanctions which by the way

were not properly implemented which

simply gave the regime more money which

of course it spent on his proxies

whether theotis or uh Hamas and what

have you uh that's on the external

Factor aspect parallel to this needs to

be a policy of Maximum support that

means support for the Iranian people in

their uh struggle against this regime

and that could come in many forms I

think the most important one is to make

sure that Iranians remain connected to

the world and therefore uh internet

access is key I've mentioned that many

times before uh Elon Musk with Starling

have done their part I think we need

more of that happening there are means

of perhaps uh making exceptions to some

of the current limitations of uh uh the

inability for Iranians to let's say send

money back home because as you know

under the current sanctions it's

impossible to transfer money we are only

limited to some digital currency that

could be at least uh an exception to the

rule to make it easier for us to support

families at home especially our working

force if they want to go on strike not

to remain completely uh you know

impoverished and unable to actually do

that and there are many other elements I

know there there are too many details to

discuss in one short interview but there

are many ways to equal the the playing

field for the Iranians and that could be

a a dual element of pressure from uh

from in the interior of the country as

well as external pressure this could be

a recipe that could lead to a successful

uh

transition obviously uh a lot of

speculation about what Israel's response

will be to this unprecedented missile

strike do you think it would be uh a

smart strategy for Israel to launch an

attack directly into Iran as some of the

more uh right-wing members of the

cabinet apparently want to

do you know I cannot speculate as to

what would be the decision inter inter

internally uh at the level of cabinet

and what's been decided and I know

there's a lot of back and forth uh

between different countries that are

Consulting with the Israeli government

but I can tell you one thing at the end

of the day I think that bib Netanyahu

Muhammad bin Salman and many others in

the region know that we cannot only

remain focus on again what can happen or

not and whether or not this could

escalate Beyond I think everybody in the

region understand that so long as the

regime and its nature is constantly

creating Havoc towards more extremism

more radicalism more instability more

threats uh we cannot contemplate any

solution other than uh dealing only with

the status quo we need to start

strategically Thinking Beyond the status

quo these are the kind of discussions I

had uh recently uh at least last year

when I was in Israel uh visiting that

country and what I've been talking about

with uh uh foreign countries in Europe

and the United States whether

legislators or in government there has

to be

ultimately uh a fundamental shift in

overall policy as they deal with the

Islamic regime in Iran and that would

mean that rather than staying only

focused on how do we respond or what's

proportional response and what are the

uh collateral uh elements because we

know people are suffering we know

Iranians are suffering Israelis are

suffering Palestinians are suffering but

all because of of this regime so the

only remedy ultimately while we are

looking at the immediate response is a

general shift in in policy that is the

only way we can get out of this mess and

solve really a problem for the region in

terms of stability and peace and of

course beyond that uh what could rectify

what the regime from its beginning has

derailed which is peace and stability in

our

region what is your message to President

Biden because clearly America's role in

this will be absolutely

crucial I think this Administration

needs to realize that uh uh what has

happened in terms of appeasement when

you're releasing money to this regime it

only emboldens it to do even more of

what it's done I wonder if this had not

happened about a year ago uh as a

continuation of attempt of reaching

another nuclear deal with Iranians or

paying ransoms for release of their

hostages but there are not that that

factor did not directly contribute to

the Hamas attack against Israel uh these

are the kind of question that needs to

be really answered and I haven't had any

response to this question heard here in

Washington it's not too late I mean look

at it the the Abraham Accords what was

uh going on in a very positive way the

regime very astutely tried to sabotage

it and again cleverly using his proxies

because it every time wants to take

credit for it without being accountable

for it this is the time to finally keep

the regime accountable and I don't think

that the policy of appeasement works it

only emboldens the regime and the

consequences is more suffering for the

people there needs to be now strong

leadership we need the same kind of

leadership that we saw between Roosevelt

and Churchill at the end of the second

world war we need to have the same

result that Ronald Reagan and Margaret

Thatcher had to put an end to the Soviet

communist system in in Russia today we

need the same kind of strong leadership

emanating from the free West Western

World in support of democracy and

freedom and human rights in a country

that could be the pivotal element in

changing everything that this regime has

done to divert us from that from that

Rail and I think Iran is going to be the

most important strategic partner to key

countries in the area Israel Saudi

Arabia and others to bring about that

change and we need to work with one

another and I hope that the world

leaders will finally decide uh to

consider this uh issue very seriously

and I stand ready to present to them our

viewpoints on behalf of my compatriots

of how they can best find a solution

that is win-win which is in the interest

of the Iranian people but also in their

own interest whether it's National

Security or even down the line economic

interest Grand prce pvi really good to

talk to you thank you very much indeed

for taking the time thanks for having me

again

Pierce well going down to my panel to

debate this Jake yuger Joe Walsh and

Emily shraer uh let me start with you

Joe W because you were giving me a bit

of uh hammer on X formerly Twitter

yesterday because I tweeted in reaction

to What had happened that I I wanted

Israel to show restraint and I feared

that Netanyahu wouldn't do that now just

to clarify what I meant I didn't mean

there should be no response I just

wanted that response not to be just

going all guns blazing into Iran because

I I genuinely fear that might uh

accelerate this into a a much more

catastrophic situation but you feel very

strongly don't you could tell that you

believe Israel is always the one when it

gets attacked that is urged so restraint

and they shouldn't be told to do

that pierce really good to be with you

and uh I apologize if in my Twitter

response to you if I got personal I

apologize I didn't mean it my my beef

wasn't with what you said that Israel

should show restraint because I actually

agree with that my beef was the timing

of that tweet and so many others Israel

was under attack the uh missile the you

know the alarms were going off in

Jerusalem missiles were raining down on

Israel and it just didn't seem Pierce

like that was the proper time while

Israel is being attacked to come out and

say Israel needs to show restraint um I

agree with the sentiment of what you

said I just didn't think it was the

proper time until we knew Pierce how

many of those missiles might have gotten

through Andor killed

Israelis right fair enough um let me go

to Jen uh Jen it's it's very complex

situation this in fact the whole

Regional issues are very complex and we

have of course at the same time the

situation in Gaza but Jen when you see

what Iran did to Israel what do you

think Israel's response should

be uh their response should be nothing

uh they should leave well enough alone

Joe Biden uh with a rare uh Victory here

H in being right about the situation

deescalate right now Israel obviously

started this uh and by then I don't mean

we can get into oh my God their proxies

and Hamas but then the occupation and we

can go all the way back to 1948 what I

mean specifically is uh they attacked

Iran basically on its home soil by

attacking the consulate killing their

top General Etc it was an act of Prov a

it was meant to get Iran to retaliate

Netanyahu who has been dying for a war

with Iran for about two decades now he

definitely started this it left Iran

absolutely no choice but to respond and

they responded in a way that basically

showed their hand which was we don't

want a war they gave 72-hour notice it

took the drones several hours to get

there if Iran wanted to do damage inside

Israel it would not have done this type

of attack at all this was Iran basically

saying look we have to appease our

domestic uh audience here and tell them

oh we were tough and struck Israel back

but they knew they were going to get no

casualties so we had a Tit for Tat we

should leave it alone right now if

Israel goes back and hits Iran again

then there's going to be no end to this

then Iran is going to have to respond

and this time it's going to be real and

people are going to die in Israel it's a

terrible disastrous idea they should

definitely stop right

now okay Emily Sher I can see you uh

well I would say not entirely agreeing

with what you just

heard yes I I strongly disagree as you

can imagine I think the entire premise

of asking Israel to exercise restraint

rather than deterrence is a fundamental

part of the problem here I mean as the

Crown Prince mentioned the Islamic

Republic has been doing this for many

many years it's a fundamental premise of

the regime since 1979 they have been

sworn to Israel's destruction they have

been sworn to America's destruction this

is a fundamental value of the Islamic

Republic and not only that but I find it

very interesting what uh Chen is saying

right now because uh the majority of the

Iranian people both inside and outside

of Iran disagree with him in fact there

are thousands and thousands of Iranians

who wish that Israel will assist the

people of Iran in bringing down this

regime we are not going to see a better

future in the Middle East for the Arab

Muslims for the Iranians or for the

Israelis in the Middle East until there

is regime change in Iran and to say that

Israel started this is prop posterous

it's not Israel that has a countdown to

the destruction of Israel in the center

of their largest city that's Iran it's

Iran who has made hating Israel a

fundamental premise of the regime an

obsessive hatred an obsessive irrational

hatred that they have taken money from

the people of Iran and poured hundreds

of millions of dollars into terrorist

proxy organizations on the borders of

Israel in order to ultimately destruct

and destroy the state of Israel I also

want to add one more thing about the

consulate that's important to note that

it was not in fact a consulate was an

Annex of the consulate and even if it

was a consulate under international law

it is permissible to strike when it's

being used as a military headquarters to

plan and conduct terrorist operations

Israel is in a state of War we're in a

state of war with a proxy of the Islamic

Republic of Iran Hamas and that is what

that commander who was killed in that

strike was doing there so this is a

legitimate Target even though Israel

hasn't officially claimed

responsibility okay I'm going to bring

Joe in in a moment I just want to Jen

you were laughing at one stage there

what were you laughing at yeah yeah I

mean look a lot of absurd things were

said there uh like any mention of the

Crown Prince I mean the guy's the the

son of a former dictator of Iran he has

zero credibility with the Iranian people

look I the Iranian regime is that's

absolutely disaster he is the most he is

the most popular figure of any Iranians

are you are you

Iranian ask the Iranians yourself it's

very very clear while there

the vast majority of them the vast

majority of them do support the show is

she just going to talk over me because

we can keep doing this all day long let

me answer the questions so first of all

the idea that they want their dictator

back is hilarious second of all but the

thing that I laughed out loud at is

she's like oh the Iranian people want

Israel to bomb them do they do they

that's the most Preposterous thing I

have ever people

want it's actually not there are

multiple polls that show that I

personally think it's crazy multip show

that they want to B by there have been

that they support that they support

Israeli strikes that they support

Israeli strikes on regime irgc and

regime sites

exclusively on

irgc yes the majority of the Iranian

people support regime change the

majority of the Iranian people support

regime change I find it disgraceful that

you are laughing at the suffering of 0

islamist dictatorship no there are women

who are being dragged Away by the

morality police as the Crown Prince

mentioned there is a second front of

this war and it is against thean people

internally is that funny to you funny to

you that women are being time is she

just going to talk 90% time I do is that

funny let me just respond real quick do

you find it funny that women that

Iranians are being oppress can I respond

all right

whatever all day long we're not gonna

all right all right so listen the

Iranian regime is terrible I don't want

Muslim fundamentalists in charge of Iran

and the people of Iran don't want Muslim

fundamentalists in charge of Iran so

saying that they're against the regime

is obvious that's not the point the

question is what are you going to do

about it if you said hey there's an

internal Revolution and they're

disgusted by the way that the Iranian

regime is treating women or its own

citizens and not giving them freedom I

totally agree but if you claim that they

want Israel to bomb Iran in order to

effectuate regime change you sound I

mean you s it's not even you don't even

sound like a lunatic you sound like

you're a comic or something you're

trying to make a joke that's why I'm

laughing no the Iranian people do not

want to be let me bring in let me bring

in Jo but furthermore all right let me

let me bring in Joe Joe's been waiting

very patiently Joe here's here's my

question for you about this I I I'm not

a conspiracy theorist by nature but let

me just put an idea out there about what

may be really going on here it doesn't

seem to me to be a coincidence that it

that October the 7th happened when it

did or that Iran chooses this moment to

attack Israel directly and that it may

all be linked to the Abraham Accords to

the normalization of relations between

Israel and many of the Middle Eastern

countries to the fact that Saudi Arabia

was on the verge of joining that

normalization of relations with Israel

and that for Iran this is the Ultimate

Nightmare and that through their proxy

tentacles in Gaza and Hamas uh they

facilitated what happened on October the

7th to cause and maybe deliberately

provoke Israel into what they would see

as an overreaction which would then lose

Global support and it may be that what

they've done with this missile strike

directly into Israel is part of a same

process deliberately goding Israel into

potentially overreacting which may

ultimately play into Iran's

hands uh Pierce I think you are spot on

my friend look it it it's silly to

engage in who started this first let's

not do that uh we all three of us agree

that Iran's ruling regime is an evil

regime the Iranian people deserve to

live in Freedom Pierce you're exactly

right look the answer is the only way we

get to peace in this region is when

Israel can partner with the moderate

Arab countries and

isolate isolate is Iran isolate Iran's

proxies and all the other islamists not

Muslims islamists who want to destroy

Israel Pierce which is why I agree with

chank on what Israel should do to what

happened over the weekend do nothing

ignore Iran finish the job in Gaza work

with the moderate Arab world to rebuild

Gaza and completely ignore Iran isolate

Iran that's the only way we're going to

get to peace

Emily I mean do you agree with that do

you not see the danger Emily that if

Israel does Now launch a massive Counter

Strike into Iran that it could actually

be doing exactly what Iran wants it to

do of course that's a distinct

possibility I think there are a lot of

options on the table when it comes to

any kind of response I know there's

already been some discussion this

morning about a Cyber attack there are a

number of different options that have

been put forward to the cabinet and it

remains to be seen what they will do

about it

I don't know if a military option is the

best option for a regime change in Iran

I've advocated for many years now that I

think that the Western governments have

an obligation and a duty to assist the

people of Iran what the Crown Prince was

mentioning about maximum support is

incredibly important the people of Iran

want this regime to fall and I do

believe that there is a way to do it

peacefully but it does require a lot of

effort on the part of the West and it

does require enforcement of sanctions

not just putting on on the books

enforcement of sanctions adding

additional sanctions choking this regime

out until they fall and also empowering

the people we had multiple uprisings

that have been quashed violently by the

Islamic Republic the people are ready we

need to support them and we haven't seen

that from the Western World we haven't

seen that from Europe with their failure

to designate the irgc we haven't seen

that with the enforcement of sanctions

we haven't seen that with a very very

weak Iran policy from the Biden

Administration that that is something

that allows this regime to continue not

to mention of course releasing billions

of dollars in assets that is then going

to terrorist organizations throughout

the Middle East that disproportionately

harm and kill Arab Muslims in the region

so really Israel and the Arab world are

on the same page as you mentioned about

the Abraham Accords this is a major

threat to the Islamic Republic this is

what they're seeking to destroy they are

an anti-peace entity and so I think that

the Democratic Western world needs to

push back against that and they need to

empower the people of Iran increase the

pressure on the regime increase support

for the people and see if that can get

us to where we need to go with this

regime