"Conservative Civil War" - Jesse Watters Predicts Winner Of Candace Owens vs Ben Shapiro Debate
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the public exchange between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro regarding a debate on Israel and anti-Semitism. Owens has left DA wire and the announcement has been made. The conversation includes tweets and responses between the two, discussing the terms of their debate, with both agreeing to a live stream on YouTube and X. The conversation also touches on the internal dynamics at Daily Wire and the broader implications for the conservative movement.
Takeaways
- 📢 Candace Owens is no longer associated with The Daily Wire, and the announcement has been made recently.
- 💬 There is a discussion about the definition of anti-Semitism initiated by Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, with a potential debate proposed.
- 🗣️ Ben Shapiro emphasizes The Daily Wire's variety of positions on Israel and the disagreement with Matt Walsh on America's policy towards the Middle East.
- 📚 Ben Shapiro differentiates between a publisher and a platform, stating that as a publisher, The Daily Wire has the right to choose content to pay for.
- 💌 Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro engage in a back-and-forth on social media regarding the terms of their debate, including the platform and the moderator.
- 🤝 Candace Owens eventually agrees to the debate without a moderator, acknowledging the efforts of Jeremy Boreing in facilitating the discussion.
- 🌐 The debate is set to be live-streamed on YouTube and other platforms, with no ads or charges for viewers.
- 🔥 The conversation highlights the complexities within the conservative movement, with various viewpoints and potential for internal conflict.
- 🤔 The script raises questions about the role of external moderators in debates and the importance of maintaining a fair and balanced discourse.
- 🌍 The discussion also touches on the broader political context, including the role of the United States in international relations, particularly with Israel.
- 📈 The script reflects the ongoing dynamics and challenges within conservative media and the need for open and respectful dialogue on contentious issues.
Q & A
What is the main issue discussed in the transcript?
-The main issue discussed in the transcript is the public disagreement and debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, focusing on the definition of anti-Semitism and the situation between Israel and the United States.
What platform did Candace Owens part ways with?
-Candace Owens parted ways with The Daily Wire.
What was the initial topic Candace Owens wanted to discuss with Ben Shapiro?
-Candace Owens initially wanted to discuss the definition of anti-Semitism with Ben Shapiro.
How did Ben Shapiro respond to Candace Owens' challenge for a debate?
-Ben Shapiro responded by suggesting a date, time, and location for the debate, and later agreed to have it without a moderator or on a neutral platform.
What was the role of Jeremy Boreing in this situation?
-Jeremy Boreing got involved by offering financial support for the debate and facilitating the conversation between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro.
What is the stance of the speaker on debates within the conservative movement?
-The speaker believes that while internal debates are healthy, it is important for the conservative movement to remain unified, especially in the lead-up to elections, in order to maintain electoral success.
What was the context of the discussion on Israel and the United States' involvement?
-The context was the debate on whether The Daily Wire is pro-free speech and the accusations that it supports Israel more than free speech, with Ben Shapiro defending the platform's varied positions on the issue.
What was the disagreement between Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh on America's Israel policy?
-Matt Walsh holds a more isolationist view, believing the United States has no real interests in the Middle East and should not provide material support to any Middle Eastern countries, including Israel.
What was the proposed format for the Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro debate?
-The proposed format was a one-on-one in-person debate without a moderator, live-streamed on various platforms.
What was the speaker's opinion on the role of a moderator in debates?
-The speaker believes that referees or moderators are necessary in debates to maintain order and professionalism, but also acknowledges that professional debaters can have productive discussions without one.
What are the speaker's thoughts on the upcoming Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro debate?
-The speaker is looking forward to the debate, expecting it to be entertaining and informative, and believes it will be a good opportunity for both sides to present their arguments on the issues of anti-Semitism and Israel.
Outlines
🤔 Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro's Debate Arrangements
The paragraph discusses the unfolding conversation and arrangements for a debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro. It highlights the back-and-forth on Twitter where Candace expresses her desire to debate the definition of anti-Semitism and Ben Shapiro's agreement, contingent on certain conditions. The debate's organization, including the date, time, and platform, is detailed, with both parties agreeing to a live stream on X and YouTube. The paragraph also touches on the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the conservative movement's internal dynamics.
🗣️ Jeremy Boreing's Role in the Debate and Scheduling Conflicts
This paragraph focuses on Jeremy Boreing's involvement in facilitating the debate between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro. It delves into the scheduling conflicts, with Candace stating she would be in London for two weeks and suggesting a virtual debate. The paragraph also discusses the reluctance to host the debate on the Daily Wire platform and the proposal of a neutral platform. Additionally, it mentions the involvement of other figures like Tim Pool and the importance of having a moderator in debates to ensure fairness and order.
🤝 Agreement on Debate Terms and the Importance of Understanding
The paragraph describes the finalization of the debate terms between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, with both parties agreeing to proceed without a moderator. It highlights the significance of understanding and nuance in discussing sensitive topics such as anti-Semitism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The paragraph also touches on the broader context of conservative discourse, the role of the media, and the need for respectful and constructive conversations within the movement.
🏛️ The Need for Unity and Focus Within the Conservative Movement
This paragraph emphasizes the importance of unity and focus within the conservative movement, particularly in the context of upcoming elections. It discusses the potential risks of internal conflicts and the need for a unified front to counter the opposing liberal movement. The paragraph also explores the challenges faced by the Republican party, including disagreements over policy and strategy, and the necessity of balancing principles with electoral pragmatism.
💡 Strategies for Electoral Success and the Role of Spending
The paragraph discusses strategies for electoral success, highlighting the importance of maintaining a balance between establishment and populist candidates. It addresses the challenges of winning statewide races with conservative candidates and the need for strategic planning. The paragraph also critiques reckless spending and open border policies, advocating for fiscal responsibility and secure borders. It concludes with a call to action for the audience to support the podcast and participate in a raffle for signed copies of a book.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Candace Owens
💡Ben Shapiro
💡Daily Wire
💡Anti-Semitism
💡Israel
💡Free Speech
💡Debate
💡Platform
💡Conservative Movement
💡Moderator
Highlights
Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro's debate arrangement
Candace Owens' departure from DA wire
Megan Kelly's question to Ben Shapiro on anti-semitism
Ben Shapiro's stance on the Daily Wire's position on Israel
Candace Owens' tweet about Andrew Schultz
Candace Owens' challenge to Ben Shapiro for a debate on Israel and anti-semitism
Ben Shapiro's response to Candace Owens' challenge and debate proposal
Candace Owens' preference for a neutral platform for the debate
Ben Shapiro's clarification on the Daily Wire's policy on free speech and content
Jeremy Boreing's involvement and financial contribution to the debate
Candace Owens' insistence on not having the debate on the Daily Wire platform
Ben Shapiro's agreement to Candace Owens' terms for the debate
Discussion on the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian situation
The importance of a unified conservative movement
Concerns about spending and fiscal responsibility within the Republican party
The potential impact of internal divisions on the upcoming election
The role of the Daily Wire as a publisher versus a platform
The debate's expected focus on the definition of anti-semitism
The significance of the debate being moderated by an external party
Transcripts
Candace Owens and uh uh uh Ben Shapiro
it's a little bit of a messy situation
here obviously uh Candace Owens is no
longer with uh uh DA wire that
announcement has been made oh no when
and that that announcement has been made
for a couple weeks Rob if you can pull
up the clip with Megan Kelly asking Ben
Shapiro question because I think Candace
Owens asked the question saying I want
to do a podcast and I want to find out
the definition of what it is to be an
anti-semite that's what she's asking
right and then this is a question that
Megan Kelly asked Ben Shapiro recently
go ahead to a debate about whether the
daily wire is Pro free speech the
accusation is you are until it comes to
Israel how do you respond we have a wide
variety of positions on Israel right now
inside the daily wire Matt Walsh
obviously is another one of the hosts at
the daily wire he and I wildly disagree
about what America's Israel policy
should be Matt is much more isolationist
he basically believes the United States
has no no real interests in the Middle
East and thus the United States should
not be providing material support to
anyone including the state of Israel
that wire is a a publisher not a
platform I would never call for anyone
to be ousted from an actual platform X
YouTube I I even people who are I I
think absolutely horrific human beings
I've never called for any of them to be
H in fact I've called for them to have
their accounts restored if they've been
banned uh that that's not the same thing
when it comes to Publishers Publishers
obviously have to decide what sort of
things they wish to pay for the
publication of and uh and when it comes
to you know hosts and and Publishers you
know parting ways obviously there
there'll be a non- meeting of the minds
that's pretty much all I can say on that
but by the way he's actually being
straight up saying look I'm I'm not a
platform I'm a publisher if I want to
fire somebody I can do because I
disagree with what they're saying that's
how I took what he just said right there
right that's pretty how we all took
straight up no problem but here's what
Candace Owens tweeted yesterday that
kind of started the whole thing I think
it's right there Rob first she tweets
this out which we talked about Andrew
Schultz Andrew I I hope you're happy
with the fight you've created Andrew for
a guy that's as funny as you are and we
watch you couple you've started a war
Andrew I hope hope you understand the
amount of pain you're creating on social
media today uh anyways he says what he
says there at the bottom Ben Ben Ben
wait a minute and then Candace responds
I would like to debate Ben shapir on
Israel and the current definition of
anti-semitism can anybody make this
happen Ben responds back and he says uh
well I actually sent you a message for
us to do uh this on February 29th but
you never uh respond it back or
something like that if you want to do it
let's do it Monday uh at uh Nashville at
wire headquarters okay I think that's
Ben's response sure Candace I texted you
on February 29 offering this very thing
let's do this on my show Monday at 5:00
p.m. at our studio Nashville 90 minutes
live stream then she responds back and
she says uh I'm sure you can appreciate
why I prefer to keep this off daily wire
platform as well as true reason why
we've never been able to make any
discussions happen let's choose a
neutral trustworthy platform I vote
Patrick B DAV I know that guy yeah and
then he comes back and Ben says the
following thing Ben says uh uh Rob if
you can pull his response to that
Candace I can see why you'd want to hide
behind a moderator particularly one who
said we should rename our company the
daily Jewish wire just yesterday I said
the daily Israeli wire but it's fine
I'll said both of them no oneon-one
Monday 500 P p.m. we can sit down and
have a healthy debate like adults and
we'll live stream on X and YouTube take
it or leave it as to the TR true reasons
you didn't respond to my offer to sit
down with you and discuss the issue
publicly or privately in February I have
no idea what the hell you're talking
about okay cool let's keep
going so then the next thing she says uh
uh you can go back to the other one
Robin a back uh uh yeah if you can go
back to the next tweek Candace puts
anyways they keep going back and forth
we even made an offer ourselves a lot of
names came up uh about uh on uh go to
one lower than that see what she's got
that one uh I'm not hiding behind a
moderator I'm just choosing not to bring
eyes to daily wire you're rather
typically removing pbds words from
proper context to make it seem as though
he's basisty attacking you rather he
offered free advice the daily wire would
not take heat if they were open about
their priorities but I'll choose to be
understanding regarding your exhaustive
sensit sensitivities to everyone
everywhere would you prefer Charlie Kirk
or Tim Cass they keep going back and
forth okay finally uh uh Jeremy boring
gets inv I I gave a message and we made
our offer Rob how long is that video if
it's too long don't know it's 243 don't
play it we made our offer on what we
said and she retweeted that can you show
what she says Patrick bavid just threw
$250,000 for Lake and Riley's family to
make this debate open and yes Ben
Shapiro did take pbd wordss completely
out of context there was Zero malicious
intent I'm America first so I'm in
amazing option to make this charitable
so we kind of wanted to bring this back
to America because cace has three kids
Ben has four kids I have four kids we
all live in America it should be America
First not Iran first not Armenia first
not Israel first it should be America
first if you think it's Israel first go
to Israel we all love America we're all
choosing to raise our kids here Jeremy
boring response and I think he was the
one that was able to bring the whole
thing together it's a Shabbat but I
think Ben was clear one-on-one inperson
Nashville Monday 5:00 P p.m. live stream
on X and YouTube I'll add there will be
no ads on video No Charge uh to watch it
no one Cashes in you debated Destiny on
a show without the moderator less than a
month ago and have debated plenty of
people without a moderator on your show
you asked for a debate if you want it
come have it then Candace responds and
says you guys have known all along that
I will be in London for 2 weeks you've
known the schedule you've known I'm in
London you've known for months I'm going
to be there dailywire employees were
initiator Slater to be here I certainly
swing this virtually virtually on Monday
oneon-one if you guys really just cannot
wait for me to get back but I'm refusing
to allow this to happen on dailywire
platform this request seems perfectly
reasonable and understandably to
everyone but daily wire why is itd then
he finally breaks it down and he says
this if you can go to Jeremy boring
tweet that he has by the way Lex
Freedman got involved Tim got involved
Rogan didn't get but they Dro Ro Rogan's
name on there Jeremy boring that's the
one right there yeah I don't know your
in international travel schedule Candace
I know when you wanted to talk to
someone in the past uh you've flown
across the world to make it happen he
would know her travel schedule you're
her boss what do you mean you don't know
uh but maybe if he doesn't know it's
your top two Talent why would you not
know that person's schedule you as a CO
should know where your top two Talent is
you asked for a debate Ben agre to
debate you don't want it on dailywire
channel fine we can live stream it to
your
channels you don't want to shoot it at
Daily wire Studio fine we'll rent a
studio in Nashville you don't want daily
wire crew fine we'll hire a local crew
you don't want a daily wire pay for it
fine you're rich you can pay for it you
don't want to do it Monday fine let's
let us know how long you need to prepare
let us know how long you need to prepare
we will not agree to moderator no third
party to put their finger on the scale
we will not agree to Virtual or edited
video live inperson 101 the rest of it
is just noise now Candace then responds
back to this and she says uh the last
part if you can go to it which is I
think go I think that no not not that
one I think that's the one yeah that's
the one right there bearing the odd
insinuation that you didn't know your
own employees were booked on
international flights to come join me
exactly to film your platform this is
great I fully accept no moderator I will
get in touch privately to get the set up
major wi great they pulled it off good
for you and by the way hey shout out to
Jeremy boring to do that but Jeremy you
should have done this 3 months ago two
months ago man this this this should
have been set up together but good for
Jeremy for being able to ask the co the
company to say guys let's have the
conversation here we don't need to have
another moderator from the outside be a
part of this let's have the talk
together what are you what what are your
thoughts on this whole you know
challenge they've been facing as well as
the Ben and the Candace conversation can
you go over that again cuz I miss so she
she accepted she accepted yes wow okay
so I'm I'm not as dialed in as you guys
are on this thing but this is the first
time I'm hearing about it but it looks
like it's a done deal and I've had both
of them on my show I've had Candace I've
had been I think they're both
exceptionally talented I usually don't
get involved in conservative Civil Wars
and I hate the Israeli situation I mean
that is a very thorny situation to
discuss and although what Hamas did is
horrific obviously but I think it's
healthy I guess for the conservative
movement to Hash it out to debate each
other if they want to have a debate over
the definition of
anti-semitism fine have at it I'll watch
if I have time you know I got two shows
I have a book out I have four kids but
I'll do the best I can yeah Vinnie
thoughts I I don't know I mean like you
said three months ago this should have
this should have happened it just it got
got ridiculously out of hand but I did I
saw a video of and this is going to the
the Israel situation that you brought up
Ben Shapiro there's a video of him
saying uh somebody somebody asked him in
a in like a live Forum thing I think it
was at of college like Ben do you think
the United States should get involved
with anything with Israel and Ben said
something along the lines of absolutely
not Israel can take care of herself and
then cut two months later he's like no
when there's nuclear weapons or whatever
United States of course we have to get
this is it this is it right here America
to fight Wars for Israel nope nope first
of all Israel can take care of
herself if Israel is forced to the wall
the possibility of nuclear exchange is
extremely high that is why it is very
that the United States provide the
material Aid to
Israel this is going to my point too
this topic in your nail to Jesse you can
not there's no winning in this in this
debate in this conversation it's if you
care about innocent kids dying you
support Hamas if you're pro- Israel
you're you're you're aign there's no
there's no even in the middle cuz
there's no winning in this situation I'm
just interested to see what
anti-Semitism is in in Ben's eyes
because as we saw when she was the ating
uh rabbis she she called shi's daughter
a hag and this guy went into 17th
century you know that's anti-semitic she
posted something Christ is King oh
that's anti-semitic I could see if
somebody's genuinely anti-semitic and
they're they hate Jewish people and they
hate everything about them but to be
searching and reaching and trying to
grab them into it I don't think it helps
the the conversation at all it doesn't
do anything well you can't just trust
any clip on the internet cuz what he was
specifically talking about is American
troops involved in Israeli War which
there are none so it wasn't getting
involved and to be clear on the funding
from Israel the United States gives
Israel $3.3 billion a year and it's in
the form of foreign military financing
okay which must be spent to purchase
weapons so it's not like here here's
money and they built the Iron Dome with
this um I'm happy to see that Candace
and Ben are going to have this
discussion I thought the video that you
shot that you sent to them was typical
pbd Class Act and fair if pbd I'm sorry
if Candace and Ben were GNA have this
conversation there would have been no
better moderator than pbd why for one
reason he'd be fair to both sides and
respect both sides so Ben as a Jew who
supports a lot of the things you say
have nothing to do with the daily wire
you could have not have gone wrong going
with pbd I'll say this last thing this
whole term
anti-Semitism um dude I don't even know
what semitism you might even be a semi
we are
conrat no Jews are running around being
like hey how you doing my Semite uh what
we're talking about is Jewish hate so by
the way there's a difference between
Israel Jews and Judaism Israel is a
country Jews are a people and Judaism is
a religion you can criticize Israel all
you want just like you can criticize any
country you can't criticize or condemn
their right to exist so Jews have a
little uh you know strong feelings on
the whole genocide thing uh especially
when the Harvard MIT pen presidents
couldn't condemn so I think it's a
Nuance conversation I'm happy to have
them see them have this conversation
criticize Israel just like you can be
I'm an American I criticize the
government all I want criticize
Netanyahu criticize Benny gun criticize
policies the The River To The Sea this
chant that people are saying that means
eliminating the country and the people
of Israel big difference what what so
here's my thing do you even know what
what caused them to get rid of Candace
what did Candace do that you're talking
about that had them go she has to go you
know the answer to that what you know
the answer to that what stay tuned for
their conversation coming up you agree
with the the poll shows they think
Candace is going to win
78% that's well well because guess what
uh she he's going to bring I mean
obviously he's going to stand strong
with the Israel I think he's going to
100% take that angle and the hate and
all the stuff that Adam was talking
about she is going to speak y by the way
he's brilliant she's going to spit facts
too she's never said anything I think if
I think if
anybody's coaching either side like if
and not like either one of them need
help from anybody I think uh uh Ben has
studied the history of worri he's from
his entire life just like when Putin sat
down with tu Tucker he started with a
history lesson
Ukraine right and that's you think
Candace is going to sit and not
interrupt during a history lesson no way
no but but the difference
is Putin is long winded Ben Shapiro is
going to give boom boom boom boom and
then the other canace is going to do the
same I think it's going to be very very
um I think the world one because this is
something everybody wants to see I think
it's going to be very entertaining let
me let me let me let's go to it though
right so if there's no moderator both
these people speak a 100 miles a minute
for sure nobody speaks as fast as Ben no
one but she's not far behind how is this
going to be a car crash for an hour
how's that going to look that's what we
said yesterday Jesse unless somebody's
there going okay wait a minute you have