Ex-Trump official predicts Melania's behavior amid Trump criminal trial

CNN
11 Apr 202408:30

Summary

TLDRIn the transcript, legal analysts and former White House press secretary discuss the likelihood of Trump's legal efforts to delay or halt the upcoming trial, focusing on the Stormy Daniels case. They highlight the challenges within the New York courts and the potential 'wildcard' of the Supreme Court. The discussion delves into the personal implications for Trump and his family, especially Melania, and the increased threats against Daniels. The conversation also touches on the potential consequences of Trump's social media activity in relation to gag orders.

Takeaways

  • ๐Ÿ“š The discussion revolves around the legal strategies and potential outcomes in the upcoming trial involving former President Trump, particularly focusing on the possibility of appeals and the role of the Supreme Court.
  • ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ There is a general consensus among the panelists that the New York courts are unlikely to halt the proceedings, indicating a full steam ahead for the trial date.
  • ๐Ÿค” The Supreme Court is acknowledged as a wildcard, with past cases hinting at the potential, though not guaranteed, involvement at the federal level.
  • ๐Ÿšซ The argument presented by Trump's legal team regarding presidential immunity is seen as a weak point, as it does not align with the current legal standing on immunity from prosecution.
  • โฐ The timing of Trump's legal maneuvers is questioned, with suggestions that they may be untimely and potentially driven by ulterior motives.
  • ๐ŸŽญ The personal implications of the case for Trump and his family, especially his wife Melania, are highlighted as significant factors influencing his actions.
  • ๐Ÿ’ฌ The potential impact of Trump's social media activity on the trial is discussed, with concerns about violating gag orders and the safety of witnesses.
  • ๐Ÿ”Ž The importance of the integrity of the trial process is emphasized, with the need for witnesses to be judged solely on their court testimony.
  • ๐Ÿ“ˆ The panelists express doubts about Trump's willingness to take the stand himself, given past performances under pressure and the potential legal risks involved.
  • ๐Ÿšจ The increase in threats against Stormy Daniels and other involved parties is noted, with Trump's statements being seen as potentially exacerbating the situation.
  • ๐Ÿ“ The discussion underscores the defiance of Trump against legal orders and the uncertainty of potential consequences for his actions.

Q & A

  • What is the main topic of discussion in the transcript?

    -The main topic of discussion in the transcript revolves around the legal strategies and potential outcomes in the case involving former President Trump, specifically focusing on the appeals process, the Supreme Court's role, and the personal implications for Trump and his family.

  • What is Ryan Goodman's view on the likelihood of success in the New York courts for Trump's legal team?

    -Ryan Goodman believes that there is nothing Trump's legal team can do in the New York courts that will stop the trial. He suggests that the New York courts, including the appellate division and the court of appeals, are signaling that they will rule quickly on repeated motions and appeals, indicating a firm trial date that is likely to stick.

  • What does the term 'wildcard' refer to in the context of the Supreme Court?

    -In this context, 'wildcard' refers to the unpredictable or uncertain element that the Supreme Court could introduce into the case. It suggests that while the outcome is not guaranteed, there is a possibility that the Supreme Court could make a decision that deviates from expectations based on previous cases or legal precedents.

  • What is the significance of the 'Hail Mary' analogy used in the discussion?

    -The 'Hail Mary' analogy is used to describe a desperate, last-ditch effort with a very low probability of success. In this case, it refers to the extremely unlikely chance of Trump's legal team successfully appealing to the Supreme Court and getting a favorable decision, especially given the circumstances and previous rulings.

  • What was the reason behind Melania Trump's reaction to the news of Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal's allegations?

    -Melania Trump did not take the news of the allegations lightly. She was very upset and embarrassed, leading to public displays of discomfort, such as attending the State of the Union separately from her husband. Her strong and independent nature is highlighted as a factor in her response to the situation.

  • What impact could Trump's social media posts have on the trial, particularly in relation to the gag order?

    -Trump's social media posts, where he calls Stormy Daniels and others involved in the case 'liars' and 'sleaze bags,' could potentially violate the gag order by intimidating witnesses and prejudicing the jury. This could lead to increased threats against the witnesses and undermine the integrity of the trial.

  • How does Stephanie Grisham view Trump's approach to the gag order?

    -Stephanie Grisham suggests that Trump may not be fully deterred by the gag order, as he has not faced significant consequences for violating it in the past. She implies that he might continue to defy the order, relying on his belief that he won't face any real repercussions.

  • What is the main legal issue in the case involving hush payments, according to the discussion?

    -The main legal issue in the case is not whether Trump had an affair with Stormy Daniels, but whether the hush payments made were intended to influence the election. The focus is on the potential misuse of campaign funds and the intent behind the payments.

  • What was the outcome of previous instances where Trump was on the stand?

    -In previous instances where Trump was on the stand, such as the Jean Carroll deposition, he did not fare well. His responses were found to be non-credible and damaging to his case, suggesting that his testimony could be detrimental to his legal standing.

  • What is the role of the jury in the trial?

    -The role of the jury in the trial is to judge the witnesses based on their testimony in court and the instructions provided by the judge. The jury is meant to decide the outcome of the case without being influenced by external factors, such as public statements or social media posts.

  • What is the purpose of the gag order issued by the judge?

    -The purpose of the gag order is to protect the integrity of the trial by preventing any public statements or actions that could intimidate the witnesses or prejudice the jury. It is designed to ensure that the trial proceeds fairly and that the jury's decision is based solely on the evidence presented in court.

Outlines

00:00

๐Ÿ“š Legal Analysis on Trump's Court Cases

This paragraph features a discussion among legal analyst Ryan Goodman, former Trump White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham, and host Rocha. The conversation revolves around the legal strategies available to Trump's legal team in light of their repeated failures in court. Goodman asserts that the New York courts are unlikely to halt the proceedings, indicating a full steam ahead for the trial. The Supreme Court's involvement is considered a wildcard, with past cases suggesting that Trump may attempt to bring the case to the highest court, despite the slim chances of success. Grisham provides insight into Trump's personal motivations for wanting to delay the case, highlighting the embarrassment it causes him and his family, particularly his wife Melania. The discussion also touches on the potential impact of Trump taking the stand and the nature of the case, which involves hush money payments and their relation to election influence.

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๐Ÿ’ฅ Trump's Social Media Activity and its Legal Implications

The second paragraph focuses on the legal and personal implications of Trump's social media posts, particularly those targeting Stormy Daniels and her former lawyer, Michael Avenatti. The conversation explores whether Trump's comments violate the gag order imposed by the judge and whether they put Stormy Daniels in danger. The panelists agree that Trump's actions could be seen as a violation of the order and may increase threats against Daniels. Grisham suggests that Trump is aware of the legal risks but continues his behavior, possibly due to a belief that he will not face consequences, as he has not in the past. The discussion also touches on the importance of maintaining the integrity of the trial and the role of the jury in assessing witnesses based on their court testimony.

Mindmap

Keywords

๐Ÿ’กAppeals Court

The Appeals Court is a legal venue where parties dissatisfied with the outcome of a trial court's decision can seek a review of the lower court's ruling. In the context of the video, it is mentioned as a potential next step for the legal team to pursue in order to delay or halt the progression of a case, indicating their strategy to exhaust all legal avenues to avoid a trial.

๐Ÿ’กSupreme Court

The Supreme Court is the highest court in the federal judiciary of the United States and in most states. It has the ultimate appellate jurisdiction over most cases. In the video, it is referred to as a 'wildcard', suggesting that it could potentially intervene in the case, despite the uncertainty of such an occurrence.

๐Ÿ’กImmunity

Immunity in a legal context refers to protection from criminal or civil liability. In the video, the former president is attempting to claim immunity, arguing that certain evidence cannot be used against him due to his previous position. This is a central issue in the legal discussions and strategies being considered.

๐Ÿ’กTrial Date

A trial date is the scheduled date on which a legal case is to be heard in court. In the video, it is emphasized that the New York courts are determined to proceed with the trial as scheduled, indicating a sense of urgency and inevitability surrounding the case.

๐Ÿ’กHail Mary

In the context of the video, 'Hail Mary' is a sports analogy used to describe a desperate, last-ditch attempt with a low probability of success. It originates from American football, where a 'Hail Mary pass' is a long forward pass made in desperation at the end of a game, with little hope of success.

๐Ÿ’กGag Order

A gag order is a legal order issued by a court or judge prohibiting or limiting the public communication of information about a case, typically to prevent the dissemination of information that could prejudice the potential jury pool. In the video, it is mentioned that the judge has issued a specific gag order related to the case, which includes restrictions on discussing specific witnesses.

๐Ÿ’กWitness Intimidation

Witness intimidation refers to the act of threatening or coercing a witness to influence their testimony or to prevent them from testifying. In the video, it is mentioned that the specific gag order was also intended to protect witnesses from intimidation and ensure a fair trial.

๐Ÿ’กPublic Attention

Public attention refers to the focus or interest of the general public on a particular issue, event, or person. In the context of the video, it is suggested that Trump's legal strategies may be influenced by a desire to manage the public narrative and perception of the case.

๐Ÿ’กLegal Strategy

Legal strategy encompasses the plan of action and the tactics used by lawyers or legal representatives in a court case to achieve a favorable outcome for their client. The video discusses various potential legal moves and their likelihood of success, highlighting the strategic considerations involved in navigating the legal system.

๐Ÿ’กNon-Credibility

Non-credibility refers to the state of being deemed untrustworthy or not believable. In legal contexts, this can significantly harm a party's case if a witness or the defendant themselves is perceived as lacking credibility by the judge or jury.

๐Ÿ’กSocial Media Posts

Social media posts are messages, comments, or content shared on social media platforms. In the context of the video, these posts are discussed in relation to potential violations of gag orders and their impact on the case, including the safety of witnesses and the potential for influencing public opinion or the jury pool.

Highlights

Discussion on the possibility of appeals in the case involving former President Trump.

Mention of three efforts and three failures in the legal process, indicating the challenges faced.

Analysis by legal analyst Ryan Goodman on the likelihood of success in New York courts.

Stephanie Grisham's insight into the personal nature of the case for Trump and his family.

The potential impact of the case on Trump's wife, Melania, and her reaction to the situation.

Speculation on Trump's motivation for attempting to delay the case.

Discussion on the Supreme Court as a wildcard in the legal proceedings.

The distinction between the federal case and the current case regarding presidential immunity.

Concerns about the timing and motives behind Trump's legal moves.

The potential consequences of Trump taking the stand in the case.

Analysis of Trump's past performances under pressure on the stand.

The importance of the upcoming trial and its potential impact on public opinion.

The role of social media in influencing the case and the potential danger it poses to witnesses.

The potential violation of gag orders by Trump's social media posts.

The potential risks to Stormy Daniels due to Trump's statements.

The legal and personal implications of Trump's actions towards the gag orders.

Stephanie Grisham's perspective on Trump's approach to legal orders and potential consequences.

Transcripts

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APPEALS THIS WEEK OR BEFORE

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MONDAY.

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>> ALL RIGHT, PAULA, THANK YOU

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VERY MUCH ROCHA IS WITH ME NOW,

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THE FORMER SDNY DIVISION CHIEF

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RYAN GOODMAN ARE LEGAL ANALYST

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AND STEPHANIE GRISHAM, THE

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FORMER TRUMP WHITE HOUSE PRESS

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SECRETARY SO MANY THREE DAYS,

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THREE EFFORTS, THREE FAILURES,

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AS PAULA SAID, UNCLEAR WHAT

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ELSE THEY COULD TRY TO DO, BUT

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SHE LAID OUT ONE POSSIBILITY

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THAT WE COULD TRY TO GO TO THE

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APPEALS COURT, FAIL, TRY TO GO

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TO THE SUPREME COURT, TRIED TO

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GET A STAY THERE ON THIS CASE

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WHILE IMMUNITY IS DECIDED, IS

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ANY OF THIS REALISTIC?

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>> I THINK THERE'S NOTHING

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THAT THEY CAN DO IN THE NEW

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YORK COURTS THAT WILL STOP THIS

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I THINK THE NEW YORK COURTS ARE

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REPEATEDLY SIGNALLING BOTH THE

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JUDGE, THE TRIAL JUDGE, THE

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APPELLATE DIVISION HAS ALREADY

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DONE THIS AND I BELIEVE THE

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COURT OF APPEALS WILL ALSO

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RULING VERY QUICKLY ON THESE

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REPEATED MOTIONS AND APPEALS.

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THEY ARE SEEMED TO BE A FULL

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STEAM AHEAD THAT THIS IS A REAL

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TRIAL DATE AND IT'S STICKING.

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I THINK THE SUPREME COURT IS

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ALWAYS A WILDCARD HERE. I MEAN,

01:00

WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE

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IMMUNITY IN THE FEDERAL CASE.

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AND SO THAT ONE IS A LITTLE BIT

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HARDER TO SAY THAT CAN'T

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POSSIBLY HAPPEN IF TRUMP BRINGS

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IT TO THE SUPREME COURT. IF HIS

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LAWYERS DO

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>> BUT

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>> I REALLY TRIED TO STAY AWAY

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FROM PROTECTIONS WHEN IT COMES

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TO ANYTHING REGARDING FORMER

01:21

PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT I THINK

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THE TRIALS GOING ON MONDAY.

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YEAH. RYAN, DO YOU THINK THAT

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THERE'S SUPREME COURT WILDCARD

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IS MAINLY DESCRIBES IT. IS

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THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT THAT

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THAT COMES IN IS THAT IS THAT

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THE FINAL HAIR MARRY?

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>> I THINK IT IS, BUT IT'S A

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REAL HAIL MARY THAT'S ALMOST

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DURING THE BALL OUTSIDE THE

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STADIUM.

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>> I LIKE IT. WE'RE USING ALL

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THE RELIGIOUS AND SPORTS

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ANALOGIES

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>> EVERYTHING WOULD GO AHEAD.

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>> AND PARTLY BECAUSE THE

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IMMUNITY QUESTION THAT HE'S IS

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RAISING IS NOT THE SAME AS THE

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SUPREME COURT IS CURRENTLY

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DECIDING THAT HE IS IMMUNE FROM

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ACTUALLY BEING TRIED FROM

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PROSECUTION. HE'S REALLY

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TRYING TO SAY BECAUSE OF

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PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY, SOME

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EVIDENCE CAN'T BE USED AGAINST

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ME SO NOT THE KIND OF CASE THAT

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THE COURT WOULD TAKE UP SO TO

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HAVE TO BE SOME THINGS SO

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BIZARRE FOR THEM TO DRESS IT.

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AND IT'S NOT EVEN A RULING ON

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THE MERITS. THE JUDGE ACTUALLY

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JUST SAID YOUR MOTION IS

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COMPLETELY UNTIMELY. YOU HAD A

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TIME TO DO IT, AND THEN YOU

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WAITED UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE,

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EVEN FOR ME TO SUSPECT YOU HAVE

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OTHER MOTIVES FOR DOING IT. SO

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THEN ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE

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APPEALING LIKE, OH, WE SHOULD

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HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SUBMIT THE

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MOTION, NOT THE QUESTION. I'M

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IMMUNITY ITSELF. SO THAT JUST

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SEEMS HE SHOULD THROW THE BALL,

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BUT IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT IT

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LANDS. ALL RIGHT,

02:25

>> SO SO STEPHANIE, THE CONTEXT

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OF THIS OBVIOUSLY TRUMP'S LEGAL

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TEAM KNOWS THESE, THESE DON'T,

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THESE AREN'T SERIOUS LEGAL

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MOVES. THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE

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DOING IT, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE HE

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WANTS THEM TO DO IT. SO EPIS

02:35

LAST MOMENT, THERE'S THIS

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FRENETIC DESIRE TO HAVE THIS

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CASE DELAYED SO WHY IS TRUMP

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DOING THAT? STEPHANIE SO THIS

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CASE, MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID IS

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PROBABLY THE LEAST DAMAGING

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AGAINST HIM. I DON'T DISAGREE

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WITH THAT, HOWEVER, THIS IS

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VERY PERSONAL TO HIM. THIS IS

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AN EMBARRASSMENT TO HIM FOUR

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WITH HIS FAMILY AND MORE

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IMPORTANTLY, WITH HIS WIFE

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MELANIA. AND I SPENT A TON OF

03:01

TIME WITH HER WHEN THE NEWS WAS

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BREAKING ABOUT STORMY DANIELS

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WHEN WE WERE IN THE WHITE

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HOUSE. AND THEN OF COURSE WITH

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KAREN MCDOUGAL, WHO WAS THE

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FORMER PLAYBOY PLAYMATE. WHEN

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THOSE CAME OUT THAT HE

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ALLEGEDLY HAD THESE AFFAIRS AND

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SHE DIDN'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY AT

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ALL. WE WENT TO THE STATE OF

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THE UNION SEPARATELY. SHE

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REFUSED TO WALK OUT TO MARINE

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ONE WITH HIM BECAUSE SHE DID

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NOT WANT TO BE LIKE HILLARY

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CLINTON AND STANDING BY HER

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MAN. SHE'S A VERY INDEPENDENT

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AND STRONG WOMAN AND I MIGHT

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ADD, THERE HAVE BEEN ARTICLES

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JUST RECENTLY THAT SHE'S HIS

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SECRET WEAPON FOR THIS FOR THIS

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UPCOMING CAMPAIGN. AND SO I

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WOULD IMAGINE THAT SHE IS

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PUSHING HIM TO MAKE THIS STOP.

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I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SHE WILL

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PUSH HIM TO GO ON THE STAND AND

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DEFEND HIMSELF BECAUSE THIS IS

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THIS IS VERY, VERY EMBARRASSING

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FOR HER. IT'S HUMILIATING FOR

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HER. AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU

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THAT SHE'S NOT HAPPY RIGHT NOW

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AND THAT HE'S QUITE WORRIED

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ABOUT THAT.

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>> ALL RIGHT. SO HIM GOING ON

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THE STAND, RIGHT

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>> IN THIS

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>> CASE, OBVIOUSLY, HE TRIES TO

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MAKE IT ABOUT WHETHER HE DID OR

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DID NOT SLEEP WITH STORMY

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DANIELS THIS CASE IS ACTUALLY

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ABOUT HUSH BUDDING PAYMENTS

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WHICH WERE PAID AS TO WHETHER

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THEY WERE DONE TO INFLUENCE THE

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ELECTION, RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT

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SOMETHING ELSE, BUT

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NONETHELESS, HE, BECAUSE OF

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WHAT STEPHANIE SAID, IS GOING

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TO MAKE IT ABOUT THAT OTHER

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THING, WHETHER HE DID OR

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DIDN'T

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>> DOES HE GO ON A STAND?

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>> I THINK IT'D BE IN DEEP

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TROUBLE AT ONE LEVEL. IT

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ACTUALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER

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OR NOT THEY HAD AN AFFAIR

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BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT WHETHER

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OR NOT THEY WERE TRYING TO

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SILENCE HER WRITING.

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>> IT'S ALMOST YEAH THE DECIR

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DIDN'T DID THEY WRITE AND THEN

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WE'VE SEEN HIM OPERATE KIND OF

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ON THE STAND UNDER PRESSURE IN

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A COUPLE OF SITUATIONS IN WHICH

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IT DIDN'T GO WELL FOR HIM. SO

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THE E JEAN CARROLL DEPOSITION

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DOES NOT GO WELL FOR HIM. YOU

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ACTUALLY A THE WOMEN LAWYER

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WHO'S REPRESENTING E. JEAN

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CARROLL AND HE REPEATS THE

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HOLLYWOOD ACCESS TAPE IN FRONT

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OF HER IN A WAY THAT'S JUST

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VERY BAD. RAMAN VERY DAMAGING

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FOR HIM. AND THEN IN THE CIVIL

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FRAUD CASE, THE JUDGE ACTUALLY

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SAYS THAT WHEN TRUMP WAS ON THE

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STAND, HE ENDED UP BEING NON

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CREDIBLE. HE HURT HIS CASE. SO

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I THINK IT'D BE VERY BAD AND

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FOR HIM FOR THAT REASON, BUT

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FOR PERSONAL REASONS, HAVING TO

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DO WITH HIS WIFE TRYING TO TRY

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TO WIN PUBLIC ATTENTION OR THE

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PUBLIC STORY OR NARRATIVE

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THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER. BUT

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FOR LEGAL MATTER HAD BEEN DEEP

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IN DEEP TROUBLE AND THAT IS

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ULTIMATELY WHAT I MEAN, WHAT

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ULTIMATELY MATTERS WN IT

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COMES TO THE OUTCOME? THERE'S

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ALSO THE ISSUE OF THOSE, THOSE

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SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS AND I

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MENTIONED ONE OF THEM WERE

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TRUMP IN COMPLIMENTING JUST

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STORMY DANIELS, FORMER LAWYER

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MICHAEL AVANADE, WHO HAS NOW

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GONE FULL BORE ON TEAM TRUMP

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SLAMS A STORMY DANIELS AND

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MICHAEL COHEN AS WHAT WERE THE

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WORD SLEAZE BAGS AND LIARS AND

05:25

THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S A

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LITTLE BIT MORE THAT HAPPENED

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HERE WHEN I SPOKE TO THE

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DIRECTOR OF THE NEW DOCUMENT OR

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WE JUST SAW STORMY DANIELS

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SPEAKING IN THAT NEW DOCUMENT

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OR I WANT TO PLAY MORE FROM IT

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IN TERMS OF WHAT STORMY DANIELS

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DESCRIBED AS TO WHAT HAPPENED

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TO HER AFTER TRUMP WAS INDICTED

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IN THIS CASE AND SHE WAS THE

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NAME AT THE CENTER OF IT.

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HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.

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>> BACK IN 2018. THAT WAS STUFF

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LIKE LIAR GOLD DIGGER

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>> THIS TIME AROUND IS VERY

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DIFFERENT.

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>> IT

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>> IS DIRECT THREATS IT IS.

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I'M GOING TO COME TO YOUR

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HOUSE AND SLIT YOUR THROAT.

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YOUR DAUGHTER SHOULD BE

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EUTHANIZED THEY'RE NOT EVEN

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USING ACCOUNTS THEY'RE USING

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THEIR REAL ACCOUNTS

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>> SO IN THAT CONTEXT, TODAY,

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TRUMP COMES OUT AND SAYS WHAT

06:11

HE SAYS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, IS

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THAT A VIOLATION OF THE GAG

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ORDER? AND HE PUTTING STORMY

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DANIELS, WHO IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA

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BE THE WITNESS AT THE CENTER AT

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ONE OF THE WITNESSES AT THE

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CENTER OF THIS IN REAL DANGER?

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06:21

>> SO I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER

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IS YES IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN

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JUDGES MAKE ORDERS. SO SPECIFIC

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AS THE JUDGE DID IN THIS CASE,

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RIGHT? I MEAN, IT WASN'T JUST A

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YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT

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ANYONE WHICH WOULD BE TOO

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BROAD. IT WAS ABOUT THE

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SPECIFIC WITNESSES IN THE CASE

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AND THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THEY

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THINGS THAT WILL CAUSE

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INTIMIDATION AND THAT WILL

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PREJUDICE THE JURY. I MEAN,

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THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF THIS.

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YES.

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>> THIS CAN LEAD TO

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>> INCREASED THREATS WHICH ARE

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HORRIBLE. THE THREAT SHE'S

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DESCRIBING THERE AGAINST HER,

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ALTHOUGH I THINK THOSE ARE

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GOING TO HAPPEN REGARDLESS, BUT

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I'M SURE THERE IS A LIKELY

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UPTICK IN THESE AFTER A POST

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LIKE THIS. BUT IT ALSO, I MEAN,

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WE ARE NOW DAYS AWAY FROM A

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TRIAL STARTING. THE JUDGE IS

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TRYING TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY

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OF THE TRIAL WITH THE ORDER.

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>> RIGHT. THE WITNESSES NEED TO

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BE JUDGED BY THE JURY. THAT IS

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STARTING TO BE CHOSEN ALREADY

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BECAUSE THE QUESTIONNAIRES HAVE

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FANOUT. THE JURORS NEED TO

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JUDGE THE WITNESSES BY THEIR

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TESTIMONY IN COURT WITH

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INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE JUDGE. I

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MEAN, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR A

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REASON. AND SO TRUMP COMING OUT

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AND CALLING THEM LIARS IS ABOUT

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AS STARK A VIOLATION AS YOU CAN

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GET.

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>> AND SO STEPHANIE TRUMP.

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KNOWS THAT. IS HE TAUNTING THE

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JUDGE ME? DOES HE WANT TO FACE

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POSSIBLE JAIL AND SEE IF THE

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JUDGE WILL ACTUALLY DO IT FOR

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VIOLATING THESE GAG ORDERS

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>> HE DEFINITELY DOES NOT WANT

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TO FACE JAIL. I CAN GUARANTEE

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YOU THAT, BUT AS HE TALKED TO

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THE JUDGE, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN,

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HE'S HAD HOW MANY GAG ORDERS

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ALREADY. I KNOW WE GOT FINED

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LIKE $10,000 FOR VIOLATING IT.

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ONE TIME, BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE

08:01

SOME OF THESE JUDGES ARE

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BENDING OVER BACKWARDS SO THAT

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HE'S NOT LOOKING PERSECUTED

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WHERE I BELIEVE I COULD BE

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WRONG. THE LEGAL EXPERTS MIGHT

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KNOW BETTER, BUT OTHER PEOPLE

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WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN IN JAIL

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BY NOW FOR SO DEFIANTLY GOING

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AGAINST THESE ORDERS FROM A

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JUDGE. SO HE THINKS HE'S NOT

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GONNA GET ANY CONSEQUENCES

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BECAUSE HE HASN'T SO FAR,

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WHICH IS HOW TRUMP LIVES. THINK

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ABOUT HIS WHOLE LIFE. HE

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HASN'T HAD ANY CONSEQUENCES SO

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FAR. SO HE'S GOING TO KEEP

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DOING IT ABSOLUTELY. UNTIL

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THERE IS AN ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES