George Conway on Trump: 'He is a narcissistic sociopath, he's not a normal, he's unwell'
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the ongoing criminal trial of former President Donald Trump in New York, highlighting his lack of control over the proceedings and the challenges he faces in adjusting to the courtroom's rules. It mentions the jury selection process, Trump's reactions, and the potential impact of his behavior on the trial's outcome. The discussion also touches on the contrast between the high-stakes nature of the trial and the mundane details of the legal process, as well as the possibility of Trump testifying despite legal advice against it.
Takeaways
- ๐ It is currently 4:00 PM in New York, and the discussion revolves around Donald Trump's legal situation.
- ๐ Donald Trump is facing criminal charges in the trial of The People of the State of New York versus Donald J. Trump, where he has limited control over the proceedings.
- ๐จโโ๏ธ Judge Juan Manuel Merchan is presiding over the case and has already dismissed a potential juror for bias.
- ๐๏ธ The trial is progressing, with jury selection underway and opening arguments potentially starting as early as Monday.
- ๐ซ Trump is subject to the rules of the courtroom and cannot evade trial obligations based on personal or political engagements.
- ๐ด Trump's behavior in court has been an issue; he has been noted to appear uninterested or upset, even receiving a reprimand from the judge for his conduct.
- ๐ค There is speculation about whether Trump will testify in his own defense, which is generally advised against given his tendency not to follow legal counsel.
- ๐คณ Trump's reaction to the proceedings and public opinion is unpredictable, as he is known to be highly sensitive to media and criticism.
- ๐ Despite the high-profile nature of the case, there is a noted lack of public disturbance or unrest in New York City, indicating a sense of normalcy around the trial.
- ๐๏ธ The process of jury selection is described as having a slow initial phase followed by a faster pace once preliminary questioning concludes.
- ๐ There is an upcoming Sandoval hearing, which will address the scope of cross-examination regarding Trump's prior offenses and litigation.
Q & A
What is the current status of Donald Trump in relation to the legal system?
-Donald Trump is currently facing criminal charges and is one of the defendants in the trial of the People of the State of New York versus Donald J. Trump. He is subject to the rules of the courtroom and the orders of Judge Juan Merchan.
What is the significance of the trial starting on April 25th?
-The trial starting on April 25th is significant as it indicates that Donald Trump will not be exempt from attending the trial despite his previous status as a former president. It also sets a timeline for when the public can expect the trial to commence.
Why was one potential juror dismissed during the selection process?
-One potential juror was dismissed after presenting a social media post that indicated bias against Donald Trump, including a suggestion to 'lock him up.' This shows the court's commitment to selecting impartial jurors.
What is the general public's awareness of the trial in New York City?
-According to the script, most people in New York City do not seem to be aware that Donald Trump is on trial. The city appears to be operating as usual, with the exception of the courthouse area where the trial is taking place.
How does the judge's role in the trial affect Donald Trump's behavior?
-The judge's role is significant as it places Donald Trump in a position where he has no control. He is subject to the judge's rulings and must follow the courtroom procedures, which is a change from his previous experiences where he held a high level of control as the president.
What is the general mood of Donald Trump during the jury selection process as reported by the Washington Post?
-The Washington Post reported that Donald Trump's mood during the jury selection process seemed to drift from uninterested to upset, indicating his emotional reaction to the proceedings.
What was the reaction of the judge when Donald Trump was seen muttering and gesturing during the questioning of a potential juror?
-The judge rebuked Donald Trump, stating that he would not tolerate such behavior and that he would not have any jurors intimidated in his courtroom.
What is the expected timeline for the trial based on the pace of jury selection?
-Based on the pace of jury selection, it is expected that the jury could be seated by the end of the week, with opening arguments potentially starting as soon as Monday.
What is the Sandoval hearing and why is it significant to the trial?
-The Sandoval hearing, scheduled for Friday, is significant as it is a proceeding where the judge will rule on what aspects the defense can be cross-examined on regarding prior offenses, litigation, and other related matters.
How does Donald Trump's past behavior in the E. Jean Carroll case reflect on his current situation?
-Donald Trump's past behavior in the E. Jean Carroll case, where he seemed to disregard his lawyers' advice and acted on his own, indicates a pattern of not trusting or following legal counsel. This could be a concern in the current trial if he continues to act independently of his legal team.
What is the general perception of Donald Trump's demeanor during the trial among the panelists?
-The panelists perceive Donald Trump's demeanor as problematic. They discuss how his emotional reactions and lack of self-control could negatively impact the trial, as he may not follow his lawyers' advice or respect the court's procedures.
Outlines
๐ต๏ธโโ๏ธ Donald Trump's Criminal Trial Overview
The first paragraph introduces the context of Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York, highlighting his lack of control over the proceedings. Trump, described with various negative attributes, is one of many criminal defendants in the case brought by the State of New York. The paragraph details the restrictions placed on him by the court, including the possibility of missing his son's graduation and being present at his trial regardless of other engagements. It also touches on the vetting process for jurors, the dismissal of a juror due to a biased social media post, and Trump's behavior during the trial, which led to a reprimand from Judge Juan Merchan. The pace of jury selection and the potential start of opening arguments on Monday are also discussed.
๐ค Trump's Struggles with Loss of Control
The second paragraph delves into Trump's adjustment to the criminal justice system, emphasizing his past as a person accustomed to control, especially as the former President of the United States. It discusses the challenges for individuals like Trump, who are not used to being subject to a judge's orders and the legal process. The importance of having competent counsel and trusting their expertise is highlighted. The paragraph also mentions public reactions to the trial, contrasting the quiet atmosphere in New York City with the heightened rhetoric of some political figures. It concludes with a discussion on Trump's thin-skinned nature and how it might affect his behavior during the trial.
๐ Upcoming Sandoval Hearing and Trump's Potential Testimony
The third paragraph focuses on the upcoming legal events in Trump's criminal trial. It mentions a Sandoval hearing, which will establish the judge's rules on what the defense can be cross-examined about, including prior offenses and litigation. The paragraph also speculates on Trump's potential testimony, noting that it would be unwise for him to testify in his own defense but acknowledging the possibility that he might do so anyway due to his personality and previous actions. The discussion suggests that Trump's tendency to react emotionally to provocations could influence his decision-making in the trial.
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Keywords
๐กImpeachment
๐กConspiracy Theory
๐กAutocracts Club
๐กCriminal Defendant
๐กJury Selection
๐กPeremptory Challenges
๐กJudge Juan Merchan
๐กSpecial Council Jack Smith
๐กNarcissistic Sociopath
๐กSandoval Hearing
๐กAccountability
Highlights
Donald Trump is facing a criminal trial in New York, subject to the rules of the courtroom and Judge Juan Merchan's orders.
Trump's control is limited, and he must attend trial proceedings, even if it interferes with personal or political events.
The jury selection process is underway, with potential jurors being carefully vetted for their opinions on Trump.
Judge Merchan dismissed a potential juror for a social media post suggesting 'lock him up' in relation to Trump's travel ban.
Trump's behavior in court, including nodding off, has earned him a reprimand from the judge.
The Washington Post reported Trump's mood as shifting from uninterested to upset during questioning.
Jury selection could be completed by the end of the week, with opening arguments starting as early as Monday.
Trump's former aides and allies are implicated in a cover-up of a sex scandal to protect him from voters.
Legal analyst Andrew Weissmann discusses the pacing of jury selection, noting a slow start followed by a fast progression.
Trump's lack of control in the legal process is a significant adjustment for someone accustomed to being in control.
George Conway, a conservative attorney, expresses gratification at seeing Trump held accountable, finding the trial both interesting and mundane.
Conway describes Trump as a 'narcissistic sociopath' who can't follow his lawyers' directions, which could affect the trial's outcome.
The trial's environment in New York City is reported as being very quiet, with most people unaware of Trump's ongoing trial.
Security measures are heightened around the courthouse due to the trial, but the city remains largely unaffected.
A Sandoval hearing is scheduled for Friday, which will determine what the defense can be cross-examined on regarding prior offenses and litigation.
Trump's tendency to emotionally react to situations could play against him in the trial, as he may not adhere to his lawyers' strategies.
Transcripts
>>> HI, EVERYONE.
HAPPY WEDNESDAY.
IT IS 4:00 IN NEW YORK.
DONALD TRUMP IS MANY, MANY, MANY
THINGS, RIGHT.
A DISGRACED TWICE IMPEACHED FOUR
TIMES INDICTED EX-PRESIDENT WHO
HAS NEVER MET A CONSPIRACY
THEORY HE DOESN'T LOVE WISHES
NOTHING MORE THAN TO BECOME A
CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF THE
AUTOCRATS CLUB.
BUT THIS WEEK AND FOR THE COMING
WEEKS, HE'S JUST ANOTHER ONE OF
AMERICA'S 400,000 OR SO CRIMINAL
DEFENDANTS.
IN THE TRIAL OF THE PEOPLE OF
THE STATE OF NEW YORK, VERSUS
DONALD J. TRUMP, THE
EX-PRESIDENT FACES A DYNAMIC IN
WHICH HE HAS NO CONTROL.
HE'S SUBJECT TO THE RULES OF THE
COURTROOM, AND TO ORDERS FROM
JUDGE JUAN MERCHAN AS POLITICO
PUT IT, COULD HE ATTEND HIS
SON'S HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION ON
MAY 17th.
I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
MAY HE SKIP THE TRIAL ON APRIL
25th TO ASCEND SUPREME COURT
ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHETHER HE'S
IMMUNE FROM SPECIAL COUNCIL JACK
SMITH'S CHARGES FOR TRYING TO
SUBVERT THE 2020 ELECTION.
NOT LIKELY, SAID MERCHAN.
CAN HE BE EXEMPTED FROM ANY
PROCEEDINGS THAT ARISE ON
WEDNESDAYS?
>>
SO HE COULD CAMPAIGN WHEN THE
COURT IS DARK.
NOT IF THE JURY IS IN.
AND NOW TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE
FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE HAS TO
LISTEN TO JURORS EXPRESS THEIR
FILTERED HONEST OPINIONS OF THEM
AND HEAR ABOUT THEIR MEANS,
MOCKING HIM.
MER SHAN DISMISSED ONE MAN AFTER
HE PRESENTED A SOCIAL MEDIA POST
IN WHICH THE JUROR WROTE THIS,
GOOD NEWS, TRUMP LOST HIS COURT
BATTLE ON HIS UNLAWFUL TRAVEL
BAN.
ALONG WITH THE SUGGESTION TO,
QUOTE, LOCK HIM UP.
IN OTHER INSTANCES MERCHAN
REFUSED THE EFFORTS TO KICK OFF
CERTAIN PROSPECTIVE JURORS
INCLUDING ONE WHOSE HUSBAND
SHARED A POST SUBJECTING THAT
THE AVENGERS UNITE AGAINST
TRUMP.
JUST ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT
HE HAS DONE IS EARN HIMSELF THE
MONIKER OF SLEEPY DON BY
SEEMINGLY NODDING OFF, RESTING
HIS EYES, TAKING A SNOOZE,
CATCHING UP ON SOME Z'S ON THE
FIRST DAY.
IT SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE THAT
THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED
THAT ON TUESDAY, QUOTE, DURING
THE LONG DAY OF QUESTIONING,
TRUMP'S MOOD SEEMS TO DRIFT FROM
UNINTERESTED TO UPSET.
HIS BEHAVIOR EARNED HIM A SLAP
ON THE WRIST ALREADY FROM THE
JUDGE.
TIMES RECORDS THAT THAT MOMENT
THIS WAY.
WHEN A POTENTIAL JUROR WAS BEING
INTERDUED ABOUT HER OLD FACEBOOK
POST TRUMP BEGAN TO MUTTER AND
GESTURE JUDGING A REBUKE FROM
THE JUDGE.
I WON'T TOLERATE THAT, THE JUDGE
SAID RAISING HIS VOICE ONCE THE
POTENTIAL JUROR HAD LEFT THE
ROOM.
I WILL NOT HAVE ANY JURORS
INTIMIDATED IN THIS COURTROOM.
NOW THE JURY COULD BE SEATED BY
THE END OF THE WEEK.
OPENING ARGUMENTS COULD START AS
SOON AS MONDAY.
AFTER WHICH TRUMP WILL TAKE HIS
SEAT AT THE DEFENSE TABLE.
THIS IS FORMER AIDES AND ALLIES
TRY TO COVER UP A SEX SCANDAL
WITH THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING IT
FROM THE VOTERS.
EVEN THOUGH THE ALLEGATIONS ARE
WIDELY KNOWN, SOME OF THE PEOPLE
MOST INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH
THEM HAVE NEVER SPOKEN ABOUT
THEM PUBLICLY.
THE EX-PRESIDENT LEARNING THAT
LIFE COMES AT YOU FAST.
DURING HIS FIRST CRIMINAL TRIAL,
IS WHERE WE BEGIN TODAY WITH
SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS
AND FRIENDS.
HERE WITH ME AT TABLE.
LEGAL ANALYST ANDREW WEISSMANN
AND ATTORNEY AND CONTRIBUTOR TO
THE ATLANTIC GEORGE CONWAY IS
HERE AND VAUGHN HILLYARD IS WITH
US AT THE TABLE AND FOR POLITICO
ERICA ORDEREN IS HERE.
AND THEY ARE SPENT THE LAST FEW
DAYS AROUND THE COURTHOUSE AND
ANDREW HAS BEEN CHAINED TO THE
STUDIO HERE WITH ME.
WE START WITH YOU.
>> OH, GREAT.
WE START WITH ME.
>> TELL ME WHAT YOU WERE TELLING
ME OFF AIR.
TELL ME WHAT THE PACING OF JURY
SELECTION MEANS?
>> SURE.
I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT
SURPRISED PEOPLE HAVING WATCHED
THIS IS THIS SORT OF A SLOW PART
OF THE JURY SELECTION AND A FAST
PART.
SO THE SLOW PART IS THE VENEER,
THE FIRST POOL COMES IN AND
THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONING
AND THAT IS THE PART WHERE
EVERYONE THINKS THIS WILL TAKE
FOREVER.
AND THERE IS ALL OF THE
QUESTIONS ASKED TO FIND OUT IF
THEY WILL STRIKE PEOPLE FOR
CAUSE.
THEY CANNOT BE FAIR.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONING
AND PEOPLE THINK THAT IS SLOW.
BUT ONCE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE
QUESTIONS ASKED, IT IS REALLY
FAST.
BECAUSE THERE IS JUST -- OKAY,
THESE PEOPLE GO AND THEN THE
SO-CALLED PEREMPTORY CHALLENGES,
WHICH EACH SIDE GETS UP TO TEN
PEOPLE TO STRIKE, THE JUDGE GOES
YOU, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION AN
THAT IS HAPPENING FAST AND NOW
WE'RE AT THE NEXT PART WHERE THE
NEXT POOL COMES IN.
BUT WE'RE ALREADY AT 7.
WE NEED TO GET TO 18.
I'M PRETTY SURE, UNLESS
SOMETHING UNUSUAL HAPPENS, THAT
THE JUDGE IS PROBABLY RIGHT,
THAT ON MONDAY WE COULD SEE
OPENING ARGUMENTS.
>> AND TRUMP IS COMPLAINING
ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
ANYONE THAT WATCH LAW AND ORDER
KNOWS THAT EACH SIDE GETS TO
STRIKE.
HE THOUGHT YOU HAVE AS MUCH AS
YOU WANT.
>> YEAH.
SO, EITHER LISTEN TO YOUR
OPENING I WAS THINKING ABOUT
WHEN YOU ARE A DEFENDANT, YOU
HAVE LOST CONTROL.
YOU ARE SUBJECT TO A JUDGE THAT
IS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND
IT IS A PARTICULAR PROBLEM FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE USED TO BE IN
CONTROL.
OBVIOUSLY IF YOU USED TO BE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
THAT'S SORT OF THE UBER POSITION
OF BEING IN CONTROL.
BUT I'VE SEEN WHEN YOU YOU'VE
PROSECUTED HEADS OF
CORPORATIONS.
AND THAT IS PART OF THE ISSUE,
BUT YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO DEAL
WITH THAT AND YOU HAVE TO LEARN
TO TRUST YOUR COUNSEL.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE OUT OF
CONTROL.
IT IS SOMEBODY ELSE WITH AN
EXPERTISE AND THE WAY YOU HELP
YOURSELF IS GETTING REALLY GOOD
COUNSEL AND TRUSTING THEM.
THAT IS HIS PROBLEM.
AND WE SAW IT IN THE E. JEAN
CARROLL CASE, WHERE YOU SEE IN
TRIAL, TOO, BY ALL ACCOUNTS,
HE'S LIKE I COULD DO THIS BETTER
THAN MY LAWYERS COULD.
WE SAW HOW THAT WORKED OUT.
AND THAT TO ME IS THE ACHILLES
HERE, IF YOU WANT A LAWYER ONLY
DOING YOUR BIDDING AND IS NOT
GOING TO GIVE YOU HONEST, DIRECT
ADVICE AND NOT TAKING CONTROL
ABOUT HOW TO DO THE CASE, YOU
KNOW, YOU BROUGHT WHAT IS GOING
TO HAPPEN AND I THINK ALL SIGNS
ARE THAT IS DONALD TRUMP'S
PROBLEM.
IS THAT HE THINKS HE KNOWS
BETTER AN IN THIS FORUM, I DON'T
THINK HE DOES.
>> HE'S ALSO THE BOY WHO CRIED
WOLF.
THIS WAS GOING TO BREAK AMERICA.
LINDSEY GRAHAM WAS ON TV AFTER
ALVIN BRAG CHARGED THIS CASE A
YEAR AGO, THERE WILL BE RIOTS IN
THE STREET.
HAVE ANY OF YOU WALKED AROUND
NEW YORK CITY TODAY.
MOST PEOPLE YOU RUN INTO HAVE NO
IDEA DONALD TRUMP IS ON TRIAL.
>> IT IS VERY QUIET DOWNTOWN.
THERE WASN'T A LOT GOING ON
EXCEPT FOR THE TV SETS.
AND SOME JERSEY BARRIERS HERE
AND THERE.
IT WAS ALL A PERFECTLY NORMAL
DAY IN LOWER MANHATTAN.
SURPRISINGLY.
>> EXCEPT --
>> EXCEPT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH
TWO LEVELS OF SECURITY SCREENING
BECAUSE OF SECRET SERVICE HAD AN
EXTRA -- MADE THEM DO ANOTHER
ONE ON THE 15th FLOOR.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT FELT
VERY ORDINARY.
>> SO YOU WERE IN A UNIQUE
POSITION IN THAT YOU ARE A LIFE
LONG CONSERVATIVE AND STILL A
CONSERVATIVE BUT YOU'VE BEEN
CALLING FOR ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
WRONGDOING THE LOUDEST, THE
LONGEST.
WHAT IS IT LIKE PERSONALLY TO
SEE HIM ON TRIAL?
>> IT WAS GRATIFYING IN A -- I
FOUND THE PROCEEDINGS BOTH
INTERESTING AND MUNDANE AT THE
SAME TIME.
I ACTUALLY FELL ASLEEP MYSELF A
LITTLE BIT ON MONDAY MORNING.
BECAUSE IT IS LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE
LISTENING TO THIS DISCUSSION
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE ACCESS
HOLLYWOOD TAPE GETS IN.
AND THERE IS NO SURPRISE THERE
ABOUT THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE
AND THE ARGUMENTS WERE, I COULD
MAKE THE ARGUMENTS EITHER WAY IN
MY SLEEP.
AND IT PUT ME TO SLEEP AT ONE
POINT.
IT WASN'T -- IT WAS SO ORDINARY.
AND YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'RE A TRIAL
LAWYER AND YOU'VE BEEN THERE,
SOMETIMES IT IS THE BATTLE IS TO
STAY AWAKE DURING A TRIAL.
AND THERE WASN'T -- IT REALLY
WASN'T THAT INTERESTING WHICH
WAS THE BEST THING ABOUT IT
BECAUSE IT SHOWED THAT THIS
COULD BE NORMAL.
IT IS NORMAL TO HOLD SOMEBODY TO
ACCOUNT.
>> YOU HAVE AN INTERESTING
PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THIN SKINNED DONALD TRUMP IS.
DONALD TRUMP IS.
YOUR TWEETS DROVE HIM BAT SHIT
CRAZY.
SO YOU DROVE HIM OUT OF HIS
MIND.
WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS LIKE FOR
HIM TO HEAR -- HIS LAWYERS WENT
AND BASICALLY VETTED PROSPECTIVE
JURORS AN IT IS WAS LIKE, NOT
THIS ONE.
AND HE'S LIKE LET ME SEE.
AND A GIANT UNFLATTERING
PICTURE.
WHAT KNOWS WHAT WAS ON SOCIAL
MEDIA.
>> HE CAN'T HELP IT.
HE HATE WATCHES THIS NETWORK.
HE MIGHT BE WATCHING RIGHT NOW.
AND PROBABLY THROWING SOMEBODY
AT THE TELEVISION.
I DON'T KNOW.
HE CAN'T HELP HIMSELF BUT
EMOTIONALLY REACT TO THINGS.
AND THAT IS -- AND ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT YOU -- HE'S A
NARCISSISTIC SOCIOPATH AND
EVERYONE HAS TO GET USED TO IT
IS THE REASON WHY YOU COULD NOT
NORMALIZE HIM.
CAN YOU NOT TREAT HIM LIKE A
NORMAL HUMAN BEING BECAUSE HE IS
NOT.
HE IS UNWELL.
AND THAT IS WHY HE CAN'T FOLLOW,
HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYONE TO
FOLLOW HIS LAWYERS DIRECTIONS.
THAT IS WHY HE PLAYED RIGHT INTO
THE PLAINTIFF'S HANDS IN THE E.
JEAN CARROLL CASE.
THEIR TRYING THOUGH SHOW HE'S A
JERK AND HE ACTS LIKE A JERK IN
FRONT OF THE JURY AND HE SHOWED
DISRESPECT FOR THE JURY.
AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS,
HE'S SAYING NONE OF THIS EVER
HAPPENING.
WHERE IS YOUR TESTIMONY.
WHERE IS YOUR TESTIMONY.
AND THAT IS THE INTERESTING
THING.
IS HE WILL BE TOLD, IT IS INSANE
FOR ANY LAWYER TO GIVE HIM
ADVICE TO TESTIFY IN HIS OWN
DEFENSE.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS
GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN SOMEONE
LIKE ME GOES ON THE SHOW AND
SAID, DONALD, DONALD, YOU'RE
SCARED.
YOU'RE LAWYERS ARE MAKING YOU
LOOK SCARED.
YOU KNOW --
>> OR GUILTY.
>> OR GUILTY, RIGHT.
AND IT IS GO FOG START GETTING
MORE INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE
IS -- AS THIS JURY SELECTIONS GO
AS FAST AS IT IS STARTING TO GO.
IT IS A THING CALLED A SANDOVAL
HEARING ON FRIDAY WHICH IS A
HEARING THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO
DO THAT YOU BASICALLY GO THROUGH
JUDGE RULES ON WHAT THINGS THE
DEFENSE -- THE DEFENDANT CAN BE
CROSS-EXAMINED ON FOR PRIOR
OFFENSES AND PRIOR LITIGATION
AND PRIOR STUFF.
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