George Conway on Trump: 'He is a narcissistic sociopath, he's not a normal, he's unwell'

MSNBC
17 Apr 202411:48

Summary

TLDRThe transcript discusses the ongoing criminal trial of former President Donald Trump in New York, highlighting his lack of control over the proceedings and the challenges he faces in adjusting to the courtroom's rules. It mentions the jury selection process, Trump's reactions, and the potential impact of his behavior on the trial's outcome. The discussion also touches on the contrast between the high-stakes nature of the trial and the mundane details of the legal process, as well as the possibility of Trump testifying despite legal advice against it.

Takeaways

  • ๐Ÿ•’ It is currently 4:00 PM in New York, and the discussion revolves around Donald Trump's legal situation.
  • ๐Ÿ” Donald Trump is facing criminal charges in the trial of The People of the State of New York versus Donald J. Trump, where he has limited control over the proceedings.
  • ๐Ÿ‘จโ€โš–๏ธ Judge Juan Manuel Merchan is presiding over the case and has already dismissed a potential juror for bias.
  • ๐Ÿ—“๏ธ The trial is progressing, with jury selection underway and opening arguments potentially starting as early as Monday.
  • ๐Ÿšซ Trump is subject to the rules of the courtroom and cannot evade trial obligations based on personal or political engagements.
  • ๐Ÿ˜ด Trump's behavior in court has been an issue; he has been noted to appear uninterested or upset, even receiving a reprimand from the judge for his conduct.
  • ๐Ÿค” There is speculation about whether Trump will testify in his own defense, which is generally advised against given his tendency not to follow legal counsel.
  • ๐Ÿคณ Trump's reaction to the proceedings and public opinion is unpredictable, as he is known to be highly sensitive to media and criticism.
  • ๐Ÿ“‰ Despite the high-profile nature of the case, there is a noted lack of public disturbance or unrest in New York City, indicating a sense of normalcy around the trial.
  • ๐Ÿ›๏ธ The process of jury selection is described as having a slow initial phase followed by a faster pace once preliminary questioning concludes.
  • ๐Ÿ“ There is an upcoming Sandoval hearing, which will address the scope of cross-examination regarding Trump's prior offenses and litigation.

Q & A

  • What is the current status of Donald Trump in relation to the legal system?

    -Donald Trump is currently facing criminal charges and is one of the defendants in the trial of the People of the State of New York versus Donald J. Trump. He is subject to the rules of the courtroom and the orders of Judge Juan Merchan.

  • What is the significance of the trial starting on April 25th?

    -The trial starting on April 25th is significant as it indicates that Donald Trump will not be exempt from attending the trial despite his previous status as a former president. It also sets a timeline for when the public can expect the trial to commence.

  • Why was one potential juror dismissed during the selection process?

    -One potential juror was dismissed after presenting a social media post that indicated bias against Donald Trump, including a suggestion to 'lock him up.' This shows the court's commitment to selecting impartial jurors.

  • What is the general public's awareness of the trial in New York City?

    -According to the script, most people in New York City do not seem to be aware that Donald Trump is on trial. The city appears to be operating as usual, with the exception of the courthouse area where the trial is taking place.

  • How does the judge's role in the trial affect Donald Trump's behavior?

    -The judge's role is significant as it places Donald Trump in a position where he has no control. He is subject to the judge's rulings and must follow the courtroom procedures, which is a change from his previous experiences where he held a high level of control as the president.

  • What is the general mood of Donald Trump during the jury selection process as reported by the Washington Post?

    -The Washington Post reported that Donald Trump's mood during the jury selection process seemed to drift from uninterested to upset, indicating his emotional reaction to the proceedings.

  • What was the reaction of the judge when Donald Trump was seen muttering and gesturing during the questioning of a potential juror?

    -The judge rebuked Donald Trump, stating that he would not tolerate such behavior and that he would not have any jurors intimidated in his courtroom.

  • What is the expected timeline for the trial based on the pace of jury selection?

    -Based on the pace of jury selection, it is expected that the jury could be seated by the end of the week, with opening arguments potentially starting as soon as Monday.

  • What is the Sandoval hearing and why is it significant to the trial?

    -The Sandoval hearing, scheduled for Friday, is significant as it is a proceeding where the judge will rule on what aspects the defense can be cross-examined on regarding prior offenses, litigation, and other related matters.

  • How does Donald Trump's past behavior in the E. Jean Carroll case reflect on his current situation?

    -Donald Trump's past behavior in the E. Jean Carroll case, where he seemed to disregard his lawyers' advice and acted on his own, indicates a pattern of not trusting or following legal counsel. This could be a concern in the current trial if he continues to act independently of his legal team.

  • What is the general perception of Donald Trump's demeanor during the trial among the panelists?

    -The panelists perceive Donald Trump's demeanor as problematic. They discuss how his emotional reactions and lack of self-control could negatively impact the trial, as he may not follow his lawyers' advice or respect the court's procedures.

Outlines

00:00

๐Ÿ•ต๏ธโ€โ™‚๏ธ Donald Trump's Criminal Trial Overview

The first paragraph introduces the context of Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York, highlighting his lack of control over the proceedings. Trump, described with various negative attributes, is one of many criminal defendants in the case brought by the State of New York. The paragraph details the restrictions placed on him by the court, including the possibility of missing his son's graduation and being present at his trial regardless of other engagements. It also touches on the vetting process for jurors, the dismissal of a juror due to a biased social media post, and Trump's behavior during the trial, which led to a reprimand from Judge Juan Merchan. The pace of jury selection and the potential start of opening arguments on Monday are also discussed.

05:00

๐Ÿค” Trump's Struggles with Loss of Control

The second paragraph delves into Trump's adjustment to the criminal justice system, emphasizing his past as a person accustomed to control, especially as the former President of the United States. It discusses the challenges for individuals like Trump, who are not used to being subject to a judge's orders and the legal process. The importance of having competent counsel and trusting their expertise is highlighted. The paragraph also mentions public reactions to the trial, contrasting the quiet atmosphere in New York City with the heightened rhetoric of some political figures. It concludes with a discussion on Trump's thin-skinned nature and how it might affect his behavior during the trial.

10:01

๐Ÿ“œ Upcoming Sandoval Hearing and Trump's Potential Testimony

The third paragraph focuses on the upcoming legal events in Trump's criminal trial. It mentions a Sandoval hearing, which will establish the judge's rules on what the defense can be cross-examined about, including prior offenses and litigation. The paragraph also speculates on Trump's potential testimony, noting that it would be unwise for him to testify in his own defense but acknowledging the possibility that he might do so anyway due to his personality and previous actions. The discussion suggests that Trump's tendency to react emotionally to provocations could influence his decision-making in the trial.

Mindmap

Keywords

๐Ÿ’กImpeachment

Impeachment is a process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official, in this case, Donald Trump. The script mentions Trump as a 'disgraced twice impeached' individual, indicating he has faced this process twice during his presidency, which is a significant aspect of his public and political history.

๐Ÿ’กConspiracy Theory

A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful actors, often political in nature. The script refers to Donald Trump's affinity for conspiracy theories, suggesting his tendency to engage with and promote such narratives, which is a notable characteristic of his public persona.

๐Ÿ’กAutocracts Club

The term 'Autocracts Club' is used metaphorically in the script to describe a group of leaders who wield power in an autocratic manner. It is suggested that Trump aspires to be part of such a group, reflecting on perceptions of his leadership style.

๐Ÿ’กCriminal Defendant

A criminal defendant is a person accused of committing a crime. The script places Trump among 'America's 400,000 or so criminal defendants,' highlighting his current legal status and the serious nature of the charges he faces in the context of the trial discussed.

๐Ÿ’กJury Selection

Jury selection is the process of choosing suitable jurors for a trial. The script details the pacing and dynamics of this process in Trump's trial, emphasizing the formalities and legal procedures that even a former president must undergo, which is central to the narrative of the video.

๐Ÿ’กPeremptory Challenges

Peremptory challenges are a part of the jury selection process where each side in a trial can exclude a certain number of potential jurors without giving a reason. The script mentions this as a fast part of the selection process, illustrating the strategic element involved in forming a jury.

๐Ÿ’กJudge Juan Merchan

Judge Juan Merchan is the presiding judge over the trial of Donald Trump mentioned in the script. His role is pivotal as he enforces the rules of the courtroom and makes decisions that impact the trial's proceedings, as referenced when discussing Trump's attendance and behavior during the trial.

๐Ÿ’กSpecial Council Jack Smith

Special Council Jack Smith is mentioned in the context of charges related to attempts to subvert the 2020 election. This highlights the legal framework and the specific allegations against Trump, which are key to understanding the trial's significance.

๐Ÿ’กNarcissistic Sociopath

The term 'narcissistic sociopath' is used in the script to describe a personality type characterized by a sense of self-importance and a lack of empathy. It is applied to Trump to explain his behavior and reactions during the trial, suggesting that his personality may affect the trial's dynamics and his ability to follow legal counsel.

๐Ÿ’กSandoval Hearing

A Sandoval hearing is a legal proceeding where the court rules on what a defendant can be cross-examined about concerning prior offenses and litigation. The script mentions this hearing in the context of Trump's trial, indicating another layer of legal complexity and strategy.

๐Ÿ’กAccountability

Accountability refers to the obligation to report, explain, and be responsible for one's actions. The script discusses the gratification of seeing Trump held accountable in a legal setting, which is a central theme reflecting on the importance of the rule of law and justice.

Highlights

Donald Trump is facing a criminal trial in New York, subject to the rules of the courtroom and Judge Juan Merchan's orders.

Trump's control is limited, and he must attend trial proceedings, even if it interferes with personal or political events.

The jury selection process is underway, with potential jurors being carefully vetted for their opinions on Trump.

Judge Merchan dismissed a potential juror for a social media post suggesting 'lock him up' in relation to Trump's travel ban.

Trump's behavior in court, including nodding off, has earned him a reprimand from the judge.

The Washington Post reported Trump's mood as shifting from uninterested to upset during questioning.

Jury selection could be completed by the end of the week, with opening arguments starting as early as Monday.

Trump's former aides and allies are implicated in a cover-up of a sex scandal to protect him from voters.

Legal analyst Andrew Weissmann discusses the pacing of jury selection, noting a slow start followed by a fast progression.

Trump's lack of control in the legal process is a significant adjustment for someone accustomed to being in control.

George Conway, a conservative attorney, expresses gratification at seeing Trump held accountable, finding the trial both interesting and mundane.

Conway describes Trump as a 'narcissistic sociopath' who can't follow his lawyers' directions, which could affect the trial's outcome.

The trial's environment in New York City is reported as being very quiet, with most people unaware of Trump's ongoing trial.

Security measures are heightened around the courthouse due to the trial, but the city remains largely unaffected.

A Sandoval hearing is scheduled for Friday, which will determine what the defense can be cross-examined on regarding prior offenses and litigation.

Trump's tendency to emotionally react to situations could play against him in the trial, as he may not adhere to his lawyers' strategies.

Transcripts

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>>> HI, EVERYONE.

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HAPPY WEDNESDAY.

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IT IS 4:00 IN NEW YORK.

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DONALD TRUMP IS MANY, MANY, MANY

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THINGS, RIGHT.

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A DISGRACED TWICE IMPEACHED FOUR

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TIMES INDICTED EX-PRESIDENT WHO

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HAS NEVER MET A CONSPIRACY

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THEORY HE DOESN'T LOVE WISHES

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NOTHING MORE THAN TO BECOME A

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CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF THE

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AUTOCRATS CLUB.

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BUT THIS WEEK AND FOR THE COMING

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WEEKS, HE'S JUST ANOTHER ONE OF

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AMERICA'S 400,000 OR SO CRIMINAL

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DEFENDANTS.

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IN THE TRIAL OF THE PEOPLE OF

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THE STATE OF NEW YORK, VERSUS

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DONALD J. TRUMP, THE

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EX-PRESIDENT FACES A DYNAMIC IN

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WHICH HE HAS NO CONTROL.

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HE'S SUBJECT TO THE RULES OF THE

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COURTROOM, AND TO ORDERS FROM

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JUDGE JUAN MERCHAN AS POLITICO

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PUT IT, COULD HE ATTEND HIS

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SON'S HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION ON

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MAY 17th.

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I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.

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MAY HE SKIP THE TRIAL ON APRIL

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25th TO ASCEND SUPREME COURT

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ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHETHER HE'S

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IMMUNE FROM SPECIAL COUNCIL JACK

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SMITH'S CHARGES FOR TRYING TO

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SUBVERT THE 2020 ELECTION.

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NOT LIKELY, SAID MERCHAN.

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CAN HE BE EXEMPTED FROM ANY

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PROCEEDINGS THAT ARISE ON

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WEDNESDAYS?

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>>

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SO HE COULD CAMPAIGN WHEN THE

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COURT IS DARK.

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NOT IF THE JURY IS IN.

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AND NOW TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE

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FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE HAS TO

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LISTEN TO JURORS EXPRESS THEIR

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FILTERED HONEST OPINIONS OF THEM

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AND HEAR ABOUT THEIR MEANS,

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MOCKING HIM.

01:32

MER SHAN DISMISSED ONE MAN AFTER

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HE PRESENTED A SOCIAL MEDIA POST

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IN WHICH THE JUROR WROTE THIS,

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GOOD NEWS, TRUMP LOST HIS COURT

01:40

BATTLE ON HIS UNLAWFUL TRAVEL

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BAN.

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ALONG WITH THE SUGGESTION TO,

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QUOTE, LOCK HIM UP.

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IN OTHER INSTANCES MERCHAN

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REFUSED THE EFFORTS TO KICK OFF

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CERTAIN PROSPECTIVE JURORS

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INCLUDING ONE WHOSE HUSBAND

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SHARED A POST SUBJECTING THAT

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THE AVENGERS UNITE AGAINST

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TRUMP.

02:00

JUST ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT

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HE HAS DONE IS EARN HIMSELF THE

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MONIKER OF SLEEPY DON BY

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SEEMINGLY NODDING OFF, RESTING

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HIS EYES, TAKING A SNOOZE,

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CATCHING UP ON SOME Z'S ON THE

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FIRST DAY.

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IT SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE THAT

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THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED

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THAT ON TUESDAY, QUOTE, DURING

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THE LONG DAY OF QUESTIONING,

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TRUMP'S MOOD SEEMS TO DRIFT FROM

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UNINTERESTED TO UPSET.

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HIS BEHAVIOR EARNED HIM A SLAP

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ON THE WRIST ALREADY FROM THE

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JUDGE.

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TIMES RECORDS THAT THAT MOMENT

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THIS WAY.

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WHEN A POTENTIAL JUROR WAS BEING

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INTERDUED ABOUT HER OLD FACEBOOK

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POST TRUMP BEGAN TO MUTTER AND

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GESTURE JUDGING A REBUKE FROM

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THE JUDGE.

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I WON'T TOLERATE THAT, THE JUDGE

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SAID RAISING HIS VOICE ONCE THE

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POTENTIAL JUROR HAD LEFT THE

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ROOM.

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I WILL NOT HAVE ANY JURORS

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INTIMIDATED IN THIS COURTROOM.

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NOW THE JURY COULD BE SEATED BY

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THE END OF THE WEEK.

02:57

OPENING ARGUMENTS COULD START AS

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SOON AS MONDAY.

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AFTER WHICH TRUMP WILL TAKE HIS

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SEAT AT THE DEFENSE TABLE.

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THIS IS FORMER AIDES AND ALLIES

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TRY TO COVER UP A SEX SCANDAL

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WITH THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING IT

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FROM THE VOTERS.

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EVEN THOUGH THE ALLEGATIONS ARE

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WIDELY KNOWN, SOME OF THE PEOPLE

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MOST INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH

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THEM HAVE NEVER SPOKEN ABOUT

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THEM PUBLICLY.

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THE EX-PRESIDENT LEARNING THAT

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LIFE COMES AT YOU FAST.

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DURING HIS FIRST CRIMINAL TRIAL,

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IS WHERE WE BEGIN TODAY WITH

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SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS

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AND FRIENDS.

03:31

HERE WITH ME AT TABLE.

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LEGAL ANALYST ANDREW WEISSMANN

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AND ATTORNEY AND CONTRIBUTOR TO

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THE ATLANTIC GEORGE CONWAY IS

03:40

HERE AND VAUGHN HILLYARD IS WITH

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US AT THE TABLE AND FOR POLITICO

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ERICA ORDEREN IS HERE.

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AND THEY ARE SPENT THE LAST FEW

03:49

DAYS AROUND THE COURTHOUSE AND

03:50

ANDREW HAS BEEN CHAINED TO THE

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STUDIO HERE WITH ME.

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WE START WITH YOU.

03:54

>> OH, GREAT.

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WE START WITH ME.

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>> TELL ME WHAT YOU WERE TELLING

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ME OFF AIR.

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TELL ME WHAT THE PACING OF JURY

04:06

SELECTION MEANS?

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>> SURE.

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I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT

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SURPRISED PEOPLE HAVING WATCHED

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THIS IS THIS SORT OF A SLOW PART

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OF THE JURY SELECTION AND A FAST

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PART.

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SO THE SLOW PART IS THE VENEER,

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THE FIRST POOL COMES IN AND

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THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONING

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AND THAT IS THE PART WHERE

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EVERYONE THINKS THIS WILL TAKE

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FOREVER.

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AND THERE IS ALL OF THE

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QUESTIONS ASKED TO FIND OUT IF

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THEY WILL STRIKE PEOPLE FOR

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CAUSE.

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THEY CANNOT BE FAIR.

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SO THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONING

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AND PEOPLE THINK THAT IS SLOW.

04:38

BUT ONCE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE

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QUESTIONS ASKED, IT IS REALLY

04:41

FAST.

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BECAUSE THERE IS JUST -- OKAY,

04:45

THESE PEOPLE GO AND THEN THE

04:49

SO-CALLED PEREMPTORY CHALLENGES,

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WHICH EACH SIDE GETS UP TO TEN

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PEOPLE TO STRIKE, THE JUDGE GOES

04:54

YOU, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION AN

04:56

THAT IS HAPPENING FAST AND NOW

04:57

WE'RE AT THE NEXT PART WHERE THE

04:59

NEXT POOL COMES IN.

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BUT WE'RE ALREADY AT 7.

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WE NEED TO GET TO 18.

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I'M PRETTY SURE, UNLESS

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SOMETHING UNUSUAL HAPPENS, THAT

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THE JUDGE IS PROBABLY RIGHT,

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THAT ON MONDAY WE COULD SEE

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OPENING ARGUMENTS.

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>> AND TRUMP IS COMPLAINING

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ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.

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ANYONE THAT WATCH LAW AND ORDER

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KNOWS THAT EACH SIDE GETS TO

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STRIKE.

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HE THOUGHT YOU HAVE AS MUCH AS

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YOU WANT.

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>> YEAH.

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SO, EITHER LISTEN TO YOUR

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OPENING I WAS THINKING ABOUT

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WHEN YOU ARE A DEFENDANT, YOU

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HAVE LOST CONTROL.

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YOU ARE SUBJECT TO A JUDGE THAT

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IS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND

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IT IS A PARTICULAR PROBLEM FOR

05:41

PEOPLE WHO ARE USED TO BE IN

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CONTROL.

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OBVIOUSLY IF YOU USED TO BE THE

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PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,

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THAT'S SORT OF THE UBER POSITION

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OF BEING IN CONTROL.

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BUT I'VE SEEN WHEN YOU YOU'VE

05:50

PROSECUTED HEADS OF

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CORPORATIONS.

05:52

AND THAT IS PART OF THE ISSUE,

05:53

BUT YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO DEAL

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WITH THAT AND YOU HAVE TO LEARN

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TO TRUST YOUR COUNSEL.

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AND AGAIN, YOU'RE OUT OF

06:01

CONTROL.

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IT IS SOMEBODY ELSE WITH AN

06:03

EXPERTISE AND THE WAY YOU HELP

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YOURSELF IS GETTING REALLY GOOD

06:07

COUNSEL AND TRUSTING THEM.

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THAT IS HIS PROBLEM.

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AND WE SAW IT IN THE E. JEAN

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CARROLL CASE, WHERE YOU SEE IN

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TRIAL, TOO, BY ALL ACCOUNTS,

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HE'S LIKE I COULD DO THIS BETTER

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THAN MY LAWYERS COULD.

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WE SAW HOW THAT WORKED OUT.

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AND THAT TO ME IS THE ACHILLES

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HERE, IF YOU WANT A LAWYER ONLY

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DOING YOUR BIDDING AND IS NOT

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GOING TO GIVE YOU HONEST, DIRECT

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ADVICE AND NOT TAKING CONTROL

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ABOUT HOW TO DO THE CASE, YOU

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KNOW, YOU BROUGHT WHAT IS GOING

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TO HAPPEN AND I THINK ALL SIGNS

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ARE THAT IS DONALD TRUMP'S

06:43

PROBLEM.

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IS THAT HE THINKS HE KNOWS

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BETTER AN IN THIS FORUM, I DON'T

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THINK HE DOES.

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>> HE'S ALSO THE BOY WHO CRIED

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WOLF.

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THIS WAS GOING TO BREAK AMERICA.

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LINDSEY GRAHAM WAS ON TV AFTER

06:58

ALVIN BRAG CHARGED THIS CASE A

07:00

YEAR AGO, THERE WILL BE RIOTS IN

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THE STREET.

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HAVE ANY OF YOU WALKED AROUND

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NEW YORK CITY TODAY.

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MOST PEOPLE YOU RUN INTO HAVE NO

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IDEA DONALD TRUMP IS ON TRIAL.

07:09

>> IT IS VERY QUIET DOWNTOWN.

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THERE WASN'T A LOT GOING ON

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EXCEPT FOR THE TV SETS.

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AND SOME JERSEY BARRIERS HERE

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AND THERE.

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IT WAS ALL A PERFECTLY NORMAL

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DAY IN LOWER MANHATTAN.

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SURPRISINGLY.

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>> EXCEPT --

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>> EXCEPT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH

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TWO LEVELS OF SECURITY SCREENING

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BECAUSE OF SECRET SERVICE HAD AN

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EXTRA -- MADE THEM DO ANOTHER

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ONE ON THE 15th FLOOR.

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BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT FELT

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VERY ORDINARY.

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>> SO YOU WERE IN A UNIQUE

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POSITION IN THAT YOU ARE A LIFE

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LONG CONSERVATIVE AND STILL A

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CONSERVATIVE BUT YOU'VE BEEN

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CALLING FOR ACCOUNTABILITY FOR

07:46

WRONGDOING THE LOUDEST, THE

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LONGEST.

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WHAT IS IT LIKE PERSONALLY TO

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SEE HIM ON TRIAL?

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>> IT WAS GRATIFYING IN A -- I

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FOUND THE PROCEEDINGS BOTH

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INTERESTING AND MUNDANE AT THE

07:59

SAME TIME.

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I ACTUALLY FELL ASLEEP MYSELF A

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LITTLE BIT ON MONDAY MORNING.

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BECAUSE IT IS LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE

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LISTENING TO THIS DISCUSSION

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ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE ACCESS

08:11

HOLLYWOOD TAPE GETS IN.

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AND THERE IS NO SURPRISE THERE

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ABOUT THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE

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AND THE ARGUMENTS WERE, I COULD

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MAKE THE ARGUMENTS EITHER WAY IN

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MY SLEEP.

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AND IT PUT ME TO SLEEP AT ONE

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POINT.

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IT WASN'T -- IT WAS SO ORDINARY.

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AND YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'RE A TRIAL

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LAWYER AND YOU'VE BEEN THERE,

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SOMETIMES IT IS THE BATTLE IS TO

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STAY AWAKE DURING A TRIAL.

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AND THERE WASN'T -- IT REALLY

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WASN'T THAT INTERESTING WHICH

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WAS THE BEST THING ABOUT IT

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BECAUSE IT SHOWED THAT THIS

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COULD BE NORMAL.

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IT IS NORMAL TO HOLD SOMEBODY TO

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ACCOUNT.

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>> YOU HAVE AN INTERESTING

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PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THIN SKINNED DONALD TRUMP IS.

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DONALD TRUMP IS.

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YOUR TWEETS DROVE HIM BAT SHIT

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CRAZY.

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SO YOU DROVE HIM OUT OF HIS

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MIND.

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WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS LIKE FOR

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HIM TO HEAR -- HIS LAWYERS WENT

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AND BASICALLY VETTED PROSPECTIVE

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JURORS AN IT IS WAS LIKE, NOT

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THIS ONE.

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AND HE'S LIKE LET ME SEE.

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AND A GIANT UNFLATTERING

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PICTURE.

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WHAT KNOWS WHAT WAS ON SOCIAL

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MEDIA.

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>> HE CAN'T HELP IT.

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HE HATE WATCHES THIS NETWORK.

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HE MIGHT BE WATCHING RIGHT NOW.

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AND PROBABLY THROWING SOMEBODY

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AT THE TELEVISION.

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I DON'T KNOW.

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HE CAN'T HELP HIMSELF BUT

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EMOTIONALLY REACT TO THINGS.

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AND THAT IS -- AND ONE OF THE

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THINGS THAT YOU -- HE'S A

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NARCISSISTIC SOCIOPATH AND

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EVERYONE HAS TO GET USED TO IT

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IS THE REASON WHY YOU COULD NOT

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NORMALIZE HIM.

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CAN YOU NOT TREAT HIM LIKE A

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NORMAL HUMAN BEING BECAUSE HE IS

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NOT.

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HE IS UNWELL.

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AND THAT IS WHY HE CAN'T FOLLOW,

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HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYONE TO

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FOLLOW HIS LAWYERS DIRECTIONS.

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THAT IS WHY HE PLAYED RIGHT INTO

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THE PLAINTIFF'S HANDS IN THE E.

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JEAN CARROLL CASE.

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THEIR TRYING THOUGH SHOW HE'S A

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JERK AND HE ACTS LIKE A JERK IN

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FRONT OF THE JURY AND HE SHOWED

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DISRESPECT FOR THE JURY.

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AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS,

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HE'S SAYING NONE OF THIS EVER

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HAPPENING.

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WHERE IS YOUR TESTIMONY.

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WHERE IS YOUR TESTIMONY.

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AND THAT IS THE INTERESTING

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THING.

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IS HE WILL BE TOLD, IT IS INSANE

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FOR ANY LAWYER TO GIVE HIM

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ADVICE TO TESTIFY IN HIS OWN

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DEFENSE.

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BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS

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GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN SOMEONE

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LIKE ME GOES ON THE SHOW AND

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SAID, DONALD, DONALD, YOU'RE

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SCARED.

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YOU'RE LAWYERS ARE MAKING YOU

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LOOK SCARED.

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YOU KNOW --

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>> OR GUILTY.

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>> OR GUILTY, RIGHT.

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AND IT IS GO FOG START GETTING

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MORE INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE

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IS -- AS THIS JURY SELECTIONS GO

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AS FAST AS IT IS STARTING TO GO.

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IT IS A THING CALLED A SANDOVAL

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HEARING ON FRIDAY WHICH IS A

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HEARING THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO

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DO THAT YOU BASICALLY GO THROUGH

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JUDGE RULES ON WHAT THINGS THE

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DEFENSE -- THE DEFENDANT CAN BE

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CROSS-EXAMINED ON FOR PRIOR

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OFFENSES AND PRIOR LITIGATION

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AND PRIOR STUFF.