The Insanity of Steven Seagal
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the enduring appeal of Steven Seagal movies and his martial arts background, particularly Aikido. It humorously highlights the improbability of Seagal's on-screen feats in his later years, contrasting them with his real-life martial arts expertise. The conversation also touches on Seagal's interactions with notable figures and his status as a Russian citizen, offering a blend of entertainment and insight into the world of martial arts and film.
Takeaways
- 🎬 The discussion revolves around the appeal of old movies and music, highlighting their nostalgic and entertaining value despite potential flaws.
- 🌟 Steven Seagal's later movies are mentioned as examples of films that have gained a cult following due to their perceived 'so bad, it's good' quality.
- 👴 The humor in Seagal's later films stems from the unrealistic portrayal of an aging action hero and his equally aged special forces team.
- 🥋 Seagal's aikido expertise is discussed, explaining its origins and practical limitations in real-world combat scenarios.
- 🤣 The anecdote about Seagal's encounter with Jean Leal, a renowned martial artist, underscores the contrast between Seagal's on-screen prowess and real-life martial arts capabilities.
- 🍿 Seagal's eccentricities, such as his interactions with political figures and peculiar on-screen moments, are highlighted as part of his enduring appeal.
- 🌍 Seagal's later life activities, including becoming a Russian citizen and his ties to Vladimir Putin, are mentioned as examples of his evolving public image.
- 🎥 The conversation touches on the theme of aging actors finding new audiences in foreign countries and the surreal experiences that come with it.
- 🥊 The practicality of martial arts in film is debated, with aikido being cited as an example of a discipline that looks impressive but has limited effectiveness in certain situations.
- 😅 The script includes humorous commentary on Seagal's physical appearance and his portrayal in various media, including a comedic routine by Tom Segura.
- 📈 The narrative of Seagal's life and career is used to reflect on the nature of fame, the martial arts, and the entertainment industry's perception of action stars.
Q & A
What is the main difference between old music and old movies mentioned in the transcript?
-The main difference highlighted is that old music remains enjoyable ('dope'), while some old movies are appreciated for being 'insanely bad'.
Which actor's movies are described as 'insanely bad' in the transcript?
-The actor whose movies are described as 'insanely bad' is Steven Seagal.
What is the significance of the age of the characters in Seagal's later films?
-The significance is that the characters, including Seagal's special forces team and the commander, are all portrayed as being quite old, which is humorously unrealistic given the physical demands of such roles.
What martial art is Steven Seagal known for?
-Steven Seagal is known for Aikido, which is a martial art invented for Samurai to fight against someone with a sword, focusing on the redistribution of energy.
What was unique about Steven Seagal's position in Japan?
-Steven Seagal was the first American to run a dojo in Japan, which was unusual given the cultural context.
What is the story about Seagal and Jean Leal mentioned in the transcript?
-The story is that Seagal claimed he couldn't be choked out, and Jean Leal, a legendary martial artist, choked him out instantly during a sparring session.
What was Jean Leal's contribution to Bruce Lee's training?
-Jean Leal trained Bruce Lee in grappling, teaching him techniques that were not commonly seen in movies at the time.
How does the transcript describe the effectiveness of Aikido in real combat situations?
-The transcript suggests that Aikido would be effective against a sword-wielding opponent, but its practicality in modern combat situations, especially against wrestlers or fighters who do not commit to the technique, is questionable.
What is the significance of Seagal's Russian citizenship mentioned in the transcript?
-The significance is that it highlights Seagal's changing affiliations and the perception of him becoming more associated with Russia later in his life.
What is the anecdote about Jean Leal and his encounter with some men in his neighborhood?
-The anecdote is about Jean Leal confronting some men who were messing with someone's car in his neighborhood. Despite being an old man, he managed to intimidate and defeat all three men, showcasing his martial arts prowess.
What is the transcript's overall view on the portrayal of martial arts in movies?
-The transcript suggests that while martial arts in movies can be entertaining and visually impressive, they often do not accurately represent the practical effectiveness of the techniques in real-world combat situations.
Outlines
🎬 Steven Seagal's Evolution in Film and Martial Arts
This paragraph discusses the evolution of Steven Seagal's film career and his martial arts background. It starts with the speaker's experience watching Seagal's movies, noting the humor found in the unrealistic portrayal of aging action heroes. The conversation then delves into Seagal's martial art specialty, Aikido, and its origins for Samurai combat. The speaker highlights Seagal's unique position as an American running a dojo in Japan and his later controversial citizenship in Russia. The paragraph also touches on Seagal's interactions with other martial arts figures, such as his encounter with Jean Leal, a renowned martial artist who once choked Seagal unconscious, showcasing the reality behind Seagal's on-screen persona.
🥋 The Practicality of Aikido and Seagal's Martial Arts Legacy
The second paragraph focuses on the practicality of Aikido, the martial art Steven Seagal is known for, and its limitations in real-world combat scenarios. It compares learning Aikido to learning a language with limited vocabulary, suggesting that it's fun but not entirely effective in a real fight. The discussion includes anecdotes about Seagal's past, his teaching days, and his encounters with other martial artists. The speaker also contrasts Seagal's early legitimate martial arts demonstrations with his later, less believable movie fight scenes, emphasizing the difference between the art form and its cinematic portrayal.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Jogan Experience movies
💡Steven Seagal
💡Aikido
💡Energy redistribution
💡Jean Leal
💡Mixed Martial Arts (MMA)
💡Bruce Lee
💡Rear Naked Choke
💡Russian Citizenship
💡Preposterous
💡Samurai
Highlights
The comparison between the nostalgia of old music and old movies, highlighting the enduring appeal of certain cultural artifacts.
The discussion of Steven Seagal's movies and the humor found in their perceived 'badness'.
The mention of Seagal's advanced age and its impact on the believability of his action scenes.
The anecdote about Seagal's special forces team being of similar advanced age, adding to the comedic element.
Tom Segura's comedic bit on Seagal, showcasing the cultural impact of his films.
The revelation of Seagal's background as an aikido specialist and the martial art's purpose.
The practical limitations of aikido in real-world combat situations, especially against wrestlers.
The humorous observation of Seagal's later films where he seemingly doesn't even stand up during fight scenes.
The unique historical fact that Seagal was the first American to run a dojo in Japan.
The discussion of Seagal's changing appearance and demeanor over the years.
The account of Seagal's interactions with foreign leaders and his eventual Russian citizenship.
The critique of Seagal's aikido demonstrations as being less effective in recent years.
The story of Seagal's encounter with martial arts legend Gene Lebell and the outcome.
The explanation of aikido's historical context and its development for disarming opponents.
The recounting of Gene Lebell's career, including his training of Bruce Lee.
The anecdote about Gene Lebell's real-life confrontation with a group of men, demonstrating his martial prowess.
The humorous recounting of Seagal's defensive move in a choke situation and its ineffectiveness against Gene Lebell.
The reflection on the practicality of martial arts in film versus real-world scenarios.
Transcripts
The jogan Experience movies are
different than music cuz some old music
is dope as [ __ ] right like and then I
guess some old movies are dope too hell
yeah I got I got pretty into like
uh some later more recent ER Steven
Sagal stuff like five six years ago my
friends and I would watch it cuz it was
just so insanely bad and then and then
Dan sent me uh he sent me a link to the
come toown guys talking about these same
films and it was like they summed it all
up so perfectly but it was basically
like you
know uh one of the funny things is like
he's so old and his special forces team
that he assembles all has to be kind of
his age which mean which means which
means their Commander has to be like 80
you know my God so they show the
commander with the white mustache old as
[ __ ] that's hilarious Tom sigur had a
whole bit about Seagal dude I heard a
story about him from from someone who
would know and they said that like this
super agent like he was he was the the
train personal trainer of this like
super agent Michael hitz yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah and that like that he had a
bet with his with another agent that he
can make anybody famous and they're like
well how about your
trainer like and uh I guess they asked
him like he you know to learn a martial
art or something no no no no that's
that's not it no Steven Seagal is a
legit aido specialist and that's like
the art that's the art of like de de
aring someone what is it was it was
invented for Samurai to fight against
someone with a sword right so it's all
about like a redistribution of energy
it's all about I commit to you and then
you throw me to the ground the problem
with that is if someone doesn't commit
someone just [ __ ] grabs you and
wrestles you like a division one
wrestler against
theoy has zero chance there's not a
chance in hell you're going to stop
Daniel Cormier from taking you down it
is there's zero chance chv grabs you
you're going for a ride 100% of the time
that's the other [ __ ] awesome thing
too the Seagal the old in the in the
like later films where he doesn't even
get up out of the chair he just does the
[ __ ] throws people down yeah they come
at him and he just Fu a hot dog so this
is Seagal when he was younger this is
Sagal was the first American to run a
dojo in Japan now this is later this is
actually later because he's already got
wacky hair just his posture is so
disrespectful well it's the whole idea
behind him is that he was an American
who spoke Japanese he was married to a
Japanese woman he ran a dojo in in Tokyo
or somewhere in Japan but it it's it was
very unusual for an American to be
running a dojo but I think it was
because he married
the woman it's ridiculous with the the
the the stuff where he's like uh have
you seen the clips of him in bellus
eating the carrots and
stuff he's eating carrots there's a good
some yeah he's like hanging out with the
president or dictator of bellarus
but
amazing Jamie find the older footage the
older
footage she eating carrots I'll watch
this you know kind of look at the way he
dresses on watch this thank you
you so insane his hair is insane and of
course someone edited that so he's like
deep Thro in the
carrot he's checks watch he makes a good
like tit joke about the melons here in a
second
nice that's the weird thing about like
old actors that like are kind of at the
end of the journey and they start
appearing in foreign countries and
meeting people I want to meet Steven S
bring him to me and then all a sudden
he's a Russian citizen he's got a
passport in Russia like no [ __ ] yeah
yeah he's a Russian citizen right I knew
Mr Putin's always been amazing to
me he had there's a weird thing with
this is so this is him when he was young
so this is before the movie days this is
him teaching aido this is cool
this is much better right but it's also
not real yeah like that [ __ ] doesn't
work it's like if you learn IO you can
do some of those things that was such
[ __ ] he just threw the guy behind
his back the clips from like the last
couple years when he's doing it it they
just it it looks you know Preposterous
really it's a lot of preposterousness to
iido because the people are playing
along with it they're going along with
it so that's real it's also you know
it's just [ __ ] that that's kind of
art is like it's not you don't really
know how to fight this it's like
learning a language but you only learn
like conjunctions you only learn like NS
and buts and the and you'll learn a
couple of vowels so it's how we speak
Spanish it's worse it's worse it's like
it's you you just can't only do that if
you want to learn how to do that for
funsies yeah it's fun to do but don't
think you this is going to really work
there's [ __ ] that they didn't know they
justu work for him well it would work if
someone had of Sword the thing is like
the the Japanese Samurai they knew how
to fight and then that would be an art
that they would train in just to learn
how to disarm sword carrying weapon you
know like some someone who's got
something a spear some something that's
going to get you you lost your sword in
battle there has to be a strategy for
that so the Japanese came up with Aikido
there's this dude uh that makes these he
makes these Di Ras like that are like
insane detail and the whole time he's
like telling a story and he's funny as
hell I forget his name something fingers
but he does one of Steven Seagal and
it's like depicting the scene that
apparently happened where Stephen Seagal
had told some legendary martial art
artist guy uh that he he couldn't be
choked out Jean leel told the story on
my podcast oh that's hilarious so he
does these things and yeah right well
apparently
he he choked him out instantly and he
[ __ ] his pants jeene told the story on
podcast yeah but this is this guy's true
story it's true story Jean's a he's a
legend Jean Leal was uh he was a he was
a judo champion and he was like one of
the first guys to do mixed martial arts
fights like he had a fight with a boxer
like way way back in the day and just
strangled this boxer put him sleep just
but he made the boxer wear a ghee I
think pretty sure and he wore a ghee too
like some weird funky rules the boxer
had the boxing gloves on he didn't he
just beat the [ __ ] out of the dude but
he was the guy that also trained Bruce
Lee he taught Bruce Lee about grappling
like Bruce Lee had you know he was doing
these movies and it was a little
unrealistic like some of the things and
Gan Leal was like let me show you what I
could do to you he just kind of grabs
Bruce Lee [ __ ] hoist him over his
head and he's like listen
settle down like let's not pretend
you're the baddest [ __ ] on Earth
but does that [ __ ] look good in movies
though that no well this is him fighting
this boxer dude does it look like the
boxer have gloves it doesn't does it
yeah he does he's got small gloves so
he's what he's got essentially on her
bag gloves and Jean just threw them to
the ground and [ __ ] him he just
choked him to sleep
wow but Jean's a gorilla I mean that
that dude's a he's a tank of a man you
know even as an old man man some dudes
in his neighborhood were [ __ ] with
someone's car and uh he said hey get the
[ __ ] out of here and they were like [ __ ]
you old man he's like okay beat the [ __ ]
at the three of them I it was like at
least two guys I don't remember the the
entire story but some poor [ __ ] idiot
W up messing with literally the wrong
old man the one wrong old guy the [ __ ] I
hope I didn't [ __ ] that story up but
he's uh the guy that choked Seagal out
so CH Seagal was like that couldn't be
choked and his move was when you put the
rear naked choke on he hits you in the
balls and the idea that you're going to
do that to Jean the Bell like you don't
think he's been hitting the balls
before getting hit in the balls sucks
but it it's it doesn't like knock you
out it just sucks like you can't makes
your grip even harder around the neck
and you also have like a 3 second window
before it really sucks J you know like
the delayed reaction getting kicked in
the balls you know that's there's that
weird moment where you get hit you're
like oh no here it
comes and by the time jeans already put
you to sleep I never got fully kicked
there never only like
grazed have you ever kicked oh yeah I
mean I've got three brothers so there's
lot ball
kicking
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