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Summary
TLDRThe discussion revolves around the Star Wars spin-off series, Andor, which delves into the formation of the Rebellion against the Empire. The participants dissect various character arcs, the show's mature and intricate storytelling, and its refreshing take on the Star Wars universe. They also ponder the logistics of the Galactic Empire and express a desire for further exploration of the franchise's lore through diverse perspectives and narratives.
Takeaways
- 📺 The discussion revolves around the Star Wars universe, particularly focusing on the TV show 'Andor' and its contrast to other Star Wars productions.
- 🌟 'Andor' is praised for its refreshing take, world-building, and darker, more serious tone compared to other Star Wars content.
- 🎭 The characters in 'Andor' are well-developed, with complex motivations and story arcs, contributing to the show's depth.
- 📊 The show delves into the inner workings of the Empire and Rebellion, offering insights into their operations and the moral ambiguities within.
- 🚀 'Andor' is seen as a step towards expanding the Star Wars universe beyond the core saga, exploring new aspects and characters.
- 💡 The discussion highlights the importance of restraint in using iconic Star Wars elements, with 'Andor' effectively using them sparingly for impact.
- 🎬 Comparisons are made between 'Andor' and other Star Wars media, noting differences in tone, target audience, and narrative focus.
- 🌐 The conversation touches on the vastness and complexity of the Star Wars universe, questioning the direction and consistency of its storytelling.
- 🤔 Concerns are raised about the potential of future Star Wars content, particularly the risk of overusing certain elements or characters.
- 📱 The transcript includes a brief mention of 'The Mandalorian' and its reception, serving as a point of comparison for 'Andor'.
- 🎥 The participants in the discussion express a desire for more nuanced and adult-oriented Star Wars stories, as exemplified by 'Andor'.
Q & A
What is the main topic of discussion in the transcript?
-The main topic of discussion in the transcript is the Star Wars universe, focusing on the show 'Andor', its characters, and the contrast between it and other Star Wars productions.
What is the reviewer's opinion on 'Andor' compared to other Star Wars shows and movies?
-The reviewer finds 'Andor' to be a refreshing and solid addition to the Star Wars universe, appreciating its more serious and complex take on the franchise's themes and characters.
What aspect of 'Andor' does the reviewer believe sets it apart from other Star Wars content?
-The reviewer believes that 'Andor' sets itself apart by focusing on the formation of the Rebellion and the inner workings of the Empire, providing a more nuanced and politically intricate narrative.
Which character does the reviewer find to be the least interesting in 'Andor'?
-The reviewer finds Cassian Andor, the main character of the show, to be the least interesting due to his predictable arc and the fact that the show might have been better served with a different focus.
What is the reviewer's stance on the portrayal of the Empire in 'Andor'?
-The reviewer appreciates the portrayal of the Empire in 'Andor', as it provides a deeper understanding of its operations and the motivations of its characters, making it more relatable and detestable.
Which character from 'Andor' does the reviewer find the most compelling?
-The reviewer finds Luthen Rael, a character who operates within the Empire and contributes to the Rebellion, to be the most compelling due to his complex motivations and actions.
How does the reviewer feel about the future of 'Andor', particularly in relation to its timeline?
-The reviewer is intrigued by the potential future of 'Andor', but expresses concern about how the show will navigate the timeline constraints given the actor's aging and the established events in the Star Wars universe.
What is the reviewer's opinion on the use of Star Wars nostalgia in 'Andor'?
-The reviewer appreciates the subtle nods to classic Star Wars elements in 'Andor', but expresses a desire for the show to avoid over-reliance on nostalgia and maintain its unique tone and focus.
What aspect of the Star Wars universe does the reviewer wish to see explored further in 'Andor'?
-The reviewer wishes to see further exploration of the everyday lives and motivations of individuals within the Empire, as well as the socio-economic aspects of the Star Wars galaxy.
Which other Star Wars productions are mentioned in the transcript and how do they compare to 'Andor'?
-The transcript mentions 'The Mandalorian', 'Rogue One', 'The Phantom Menace', 'The Clone Wars', and 'Star Wars: Visions'. The reviewer finds 'Andor' to be more grounded and serious compared to the lighter and sometimes campier tone of these other productions.
What is the reviewer's take on the moral ambiguity presented in 'Andor'?
-The reviewer appreciates the moral ambiguity in 'Andor', as it adds depth to the characters and the narrative, contrasting with the more black-and-white morality often found in other Star Wars content.
Outlines
🎬 Introduction and Star Wars Discussion
The paragraph begins with a discussion on Star Trek, but quickly shifts focus to Star Wars, specifically the return of Palpatine and the confusion surrounding this plot point. The speaker then introduces the topic of the Andor series, expressing a desire to watch something new and having heard positive reviews about the show. The conversation also touches on the inconsistency in the quality and target audience of Star Wars productions, and the speaker's intention to delve deeper into the world-building aspect of Star Wars.
📺 Andor Series Overview and Character Analysis
This paragraph delves into a detailed discussion of the Andor series, highlighting its refreshing approach compared to other Star Wars content. The speaker appreciates the show's world-building efforts and the expansion of the Star Wars universe. Various characters from the series are discussed, including Mon Mothma, Kyle Sorrin, and the Imperial characters, with emphasis on their depth and the moral ambiguity presented in the show. The speaker also contemplates the logistics of forming a Galactic Empire and the complexities it entails.
🌌 World-Building in the Star Wars Universe
The speaker reflects on the challenges and intricacies of world-building within the Star Wars universe, particularly the formation of the Galactic Empire. The conversation contrasts the fairy tale simplicity of the original Star Wars narrative with the more complex, mature themes explored in the Andor series. The speaker expresses a desire for more depth and nuance in Star Wars storytelling, comparing it to the intricate political intrigue of Game of Thrones.
🕵️ Character Arcs and Story Development in Andor
This paragraph focuses on the character arcs in Andor, particularly the development of the character Kyle Sorrin. The speaker discusses Sorrin's journey from a law-abiding officer to a more morally complex character, and the potential for his character to switch sides. The conversation also touches on the portrayal of the Empire and its officials, emphasizing the show's mature and nuanced depiction of its characters and their motivations.
💡 The Empire's Inner Workings and Morality
The speaker continues the discussion on the Empire's operations and the moral gray areas presented in the Andor series. The conversation explores the motivations of various characters, including Mon Mothma's compromises for the Rebellion and the moral dilemmas faced by former Imperial officers who join the Rebellion. The speaker also expresses interest in exploring the economic aspects of the Galactic Empire and the societal structures within its planets.
🚀 Heist, Economics, and the Empire's Impact
This paragraph discusses the heist aspect of the Andor series and the economic implications of the Galactic Empire's control. The speaker ponders the origins of Stormtroopers and the societal pressures that might lead individuals to join the Empire. The conversation also touches on the depiction of the Empire's officials as competent and professional, contrasting with the mustache-twirling villains of previous Star Wars content.
🎨 Visual Style and Restraint in Andor
The speaker praises the visual style of the Andor series, particularly its retro-future aesthetic and the restrained use of Star Wars elements. The conversation highlights the show's ability to evoke the feel of Star Wars without over saturating it with familiar tropes. The speaker also discusses the show's avoidance of certain cliches and the importance of subtlety in storytelling.
🌟 Character Focus and Potential for Season Two
The paragraph centers on the character of Cassian Andor and the potential for the second season of the series. The speaker expresses concern that the show's serious tone might become monotonous and suggests the need for a balance between darkness and lighter moments. The conversation also speculates on the future direction of the series and the possibility of exploring other characters' stories in greater depth.
🎭 Performances, Nods to Classic Star Wars, and the Show's Tone
The speaker discusses the performances in the Andor series, particularly the nuanced portrayal of the Empire's officials. The conversation includes a discussion on the show's nods to classic Star Wars, such as the subtle camera work and the avoidance of overused elements like the probe droid. The speaker also comments on the show's darker tone and the effectiveness of its serious approach to the Star Wars universe.
🌠 Expanding the Star Wars Universe and Future of Andor
The speaker reflects on the expansion of the Star Wars universe through the Andor series and the potential for future seasons. The conversation explores the possibility of the show continuing to delve into the workings of the Empire and the origins of its characters. The speaker also expresses a desire for the series to maintain its focus on world-building and character development, rather than relying on familiar Star Wars tropes.
💼 Theatrical Elements and the Impact of the Empire
The speaker discusses the theatrical elements of the Andor series, particularly the court scene and the judge's impersonal handling of the cases. The conversation highlights the show's ability to make the audience empathize with the characters and understand why they would want to rebel against the Empire. The speaker also appreciates the nuanced portrayal of the Empire's officials and the moral complexities they represent.
🌌 Fears for Season Two and the Show's Direction
The speaker expresses concerns about the potential direction of the Andor series in its second season, fearing that the introduction of familiar Star Wars characters and elements could detract from the show's unique tone and focus. The conversation also touches on the character of Luthen Rael and the fear that his character could be ruined by revealing him as a secret Jedi, which the speaker feels would be a misstep for the series.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Andor
💡Star Wars
💡World Building
💡Empire
💡Rebellion
💡Character Arc
💡Moral Ambiguity
💡Fantasy and Science Fiction
💡Noir
💡Heist
💡Prison Escape
Highlights
The discussion revolves around the contrast between the Star Trek TV show and Star Wars, particularly focusing on the depth and complexity of the Star Wars universe.
The mention of Andor, a Star Wars series, as a refreshing change from other Star Wars content due to its focus on world-building and a more mature narrative.
The comparison of Star Wars with other franchises, noting that Star Wars is more of a fantasy with space elements rather than hard science fiction.
The conversation touches on the inconsistency in the quality and target audience of various Star Wars shows and movies, emphasizing the need for a more cohesive narrative.
The mention of Andor's role in the Star Wars universe and the speculation about the potential of the character and the series.
The discussion of the chronological order of Star Wars content and the challenge of tracking the timeline due to the expansive franchise.
The exploration of the different types of Star Wars content, from animated series to movies, and the varying target audiences they cater to.
The commentary on the character development in Andor, noting that Cassian Andor might not be the most interesting character in the show.
The examination of the moral ambiguity and political intrigue present in Andor, which sets it apart from other Star Wars content.
The discussion of the inner workings of the Empire in Andor, providing a deeper understanding of the Star Wars universe's power structures.
The mention of the various characters in Andor and their individual contributions to the formation of the Rebellion.
The conversation about the potential for future seasons of Andor, focusing on the exploration of the Empire and its impact on different characters.
The critique of the prequels and the discussion of how Andor addresses some of the same themes in a more nuanced and successful way.
The exploration of the economic and social aspects of the Star Wars universe, as presented in Andor.
The discussion of the visual style and the 70s retro future aesthetic of Andor, which distinguishes it from other Star Wars content.
The commentary on the restraint shown in Andor, particularly in not overusing iconic Star Wars elements.
The conversation about the potential for a second season of Andor and the speculation on how the story could progress.
The discussion of the various character arcs in Andor, including the transformation of certain characters from the Empire to the Rebellion.
Transcripts
this is the worst Star Trek TV show I've
ever seen there wasn't one andorian
Mike that looks like the the shirt
Brothers shirt shirt brothers from uh I
think you should leave what I don't know
any of the things you're
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talking
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hello and welcome to uh review today
we're going to talk about Star Wars a
topic we've been avoiding talking about
for five to seven years
now and it never goes away you know that
me
uh somehow Palpatine has returned do you
know that yes I know that yes I I I I
kept seeing things like somehow
something has returned right it's a you
know this Jay it's a meme right yeah and
I saw then I saw GIF with Oscar Isaac as
Po damaran and he said and it had a
quote somehow Palpatine has returned and
I'm like what is that
from and then I suddenly remember that
Star Wars part nine revenge of
Skywalkers had Palpatine in it yeah yeah
I'm like oh that's what that means did
he actually say somehow Palpatine has
returned you don't and then I was like
Palpatine returned in that oh yeah it's
in the opening crawl all I remember is
they were riding horses over the the
outside of a star destroyer that's all I
remember Andor is very refreshing
compared to that okay let's talk about
Andor we're to talk about Andor and
we're here because um I I was like I I
want to watch a new show I haven't
watched yeah um I'm going to start
something new and then I kept seeing
like uh uh people saying Andor was good
so I was like okay I'll give it a shot
I'll watch Andor for the record for
somebody who just like stumbles upon
this video like 5 years after we've
released it we have now made this what
like a year after Andor released how
long ago did Andor actually come out I
don't I I know a
Ahsoka is a thing um that came out
somewhat recently yeah uh was this
before or after it be
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before I I don't know yeah I honestly I
don't know we watched Obi-Wan we talked
about
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that and everyone was like if you want
to watch something that's Star Wars but
not Star Wars at all all watch Andor I'm
like what does that mean it's is that
good it's it's kind of right it's more
it's not I don't know that it's say it's
not Star Wars at all it's more just
they're finally expanding upon the world
of Star Wars which if you're going to
make a a Immortal franchise that will
never die and you're going to keep
pumping out installments this is the
kind of World building Disney should
have been doing 10 years ago I was going
to say this is the World building that
the prequels should have been yeah um
but I don't think George Lucas is smart
enough to write dialogue this good in a
darken screening room George Lucas is
using a laser pointer to show the 45
computer animators who are working on
his new Star Wars movie just how he
wants a big battle scene to look um I I
I liked Andor a lot and I'm I'm really I
really wanted to get your opinion and to
talk to you about it because the Star
Wars
Enigma is is fascinating to me now the
sheer
inconsistency of the shows and movies in
terms of of target audience and quality
level is is like
astounding I found a website that listed
all the Star Wars products not including
books comics and video games yeah uh in
Chron chronological order chronological
order okay it starts off with the young
Jedi Adventures a show for babies yeah
followed by The Phantom
Menace so I guess young Jedi Adventures
chronologically would be when Jedi were
were there Jedi in The Phantom Menace
yeah yeah yeah there were Jedi in The
Phantom Menace yes Jedi Adventures would
be young Jedi the probably younglings
running around with lightsabers I don't
know it's but it's for babies
The Phantom Menace I don't know if the
phantom menace was after they all got
killed off or not that's the Revenge of
the Sith yes that's Revenge of the Sith
there's three trilogies now it's hard to
keep track of this um attack of the
Clones follows Phantom Menace then in
between um that is the Clone Wars the
movie then the Clone War Ser movie yeah
then the yeah then the series then
Revenge of the Sith then we go to the
bad
batch which is an a CGI animated series
I don't know if it's for kids or
grown-ups I I assume it's for next is
solo the Solo movie followed by the
Obi-Wan Kenobi TV show then we're back
to kids with Rebels then Andor followed
by Rogue one uhhuh well yeah and uh
Andor season two I think will be
squeezed in between these two it would
have to be it's certainly not taking
place after Rogue one right yeah I me it
might make for an interesting series if
it's just like if it's just like you
know like 10 hours it's just a shot of
like a smoldering ing corpse pile of
dust pile of dust floating in space
Andor floats in
space it's just the description for
every episode andor's corpse floats in
space andor's ashes get uh condensed
into a kyber crystal and he gets he gets
put inside of a lightsaber now does his
soul possess the lightsaber a socks yeah
yeah and it ends up on young Jedi
Adventures at some point and the babies
have
it oh this sucks I just want to be
dead Okay Rogan is followed by a New
Hope followed by Empire followed by Jedi
then the
Mandalorian then the book of Boba Fett
uh and I don't know how the book of Boba
Fett happens after Return of the Jedi
cuz Boba Fett fell into the sarlac pit
monster and got eaten I'm sure there's
an explanation he climbs out for how he
climbs out he gains 70 lbs while
floating around in that belly I I had to
eat all of its stomach contents he had
to eat his way out okay okay okay and he
has developed a taste for sarlac meat I
want to say I've heard from sources that
in the Mandalorian we see Boba Fett
climb out of the sarlac pit monster so
that he could be in the book of Boba
Fett whatever then uh after the book of
Boba Fett is a a
aoka so then after that is resistance
I don't know what that is that's
literally the first time I've heard of
that one uh then the is that released
yet I don't know the force awakens The
Last Jedi rise of Skywalker then Star
Wars Visions bo bo
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boom let's talk about Andor
yeah uh what a what are your
impressions uh it's enjoyable I think
it's very solid it's not my favorite
thing in the world but it's very solid I
think it's excellent World building and
Cassian Andor is probably the least
interesting character in the show and
it's probably it's probably even just a
misname show it should just been like
called like Star Wars rebellion or
something or or Star Wars heroes that's
a lame name but from from what I
gathered from it it's the the the Empire
and then people that are characters that
are doing their own little bits to start
to form the Rebellion or be heroic
against it themselves all the way from
man Matha MMA down to you know Cass
Andor Andor from the yeah and so they
cut they give basically all these
characters equal screen time mon mothma
is uh man mothma is a of course a
senator she's very very wealthy um but
she has that you know that that sense
that something is is going very wrong
yeah and there's there's very uh there's
some injustice happening and she's
secretly working with um stellen
Skarsgard who is kind of a mystery
character but he he has that great
speech in one of the later episodes what
have you the what have you given of
speech Yes who's also working with a
different kind of hero the the uh the
Imperial
uh double agent or or spy yeah who's
risking his neck to send him information
then you have um all those characters
that do the heist um even down andor's
mother the little robot I mean
everyone's doing their part even the
Imperial characters are good like I
really like the uh ISB lady and even the
ISB director guy who just seems entirely
reasonable and professional he's just
doing his job well he's just that guy
just screams Star Wars Imperial villain
yes he was born to play that
role that's a bit of a stretch the the
the inner workings of the Empire and
yeah I I I like the idea of World
building although it's almost an
impossible task because you're talking
about how to form a Galactic Empire and
the logistics of that and in the first
movie Star Wars it didn't matter it's a
fairy it's it's a fairy tale it's people
like to think Star Wars is science
fiction it's not it's fantasy with space
paint it's a simple Story the the the
the hero uh defeats the the evil emperor
he slays some dragons on the way but
hero's journey the world isn't important
but you're going to go on and do 50
years worth of additional material and
Cassian and Andor is the kind of [ __ ] we
need now we need to flesh out this world
yeah or do we and see that's that's like
the the contradiction or conundrum that
I wanted to discuss with you because
that's what Lucas wanted to do it the
prequels yeah but he did it badly I know
that's the thing is like I have a a
slightly like if my appreciation for the
prequels just went up just a tick
because after the the the original
trilogy which is a I don't know a hero's
journey an Adventure film a you know
conquer the bad guy simple fairy tale
what do you do he wanted to tell the
backstory but he I don't think he was
he's a good enough writer it's like
sketching with a pencil and suddenly
somebody gives you paint and it's got
you have all these colors it's like
watching a painter you just you know you
put colors you put colors it's not done
until it's done that guy is a cyber
character he's not
real the guy that was jumping I mean
I've seen those movies I know he wasn't
a good enough writer to do that okay and
if you if you release something like
Andor Star Wars is back over a month ago
all right get out your lightsabers you
just may have noticed that Star Wars the
latest episode opens nationally at
Midnight's night the hype surrounding
this movie has been overwhelming now the
question is will it deliver they're
about to open the doors here just a few
minutes and people are revved up Star
Wars is back everybody and then Andor
comes on the screen this is
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awesome
is that how you've been presenting
yourself to the
world it would explain a great
deal and it's like the most depressing
like miserable thing you've ever seen
that wouldn't work so he wanted to tell
the story of how the Empire came about
all while having a little kid and a
cartoon rabbit and poopy jokes and a
wacky adventure in it it you know it's
like oil and water it this is how you
should have done the prequels but it's
like a fork in the road do you go for
space adventure SCI sci-fi fantasy about
you know guy saving the princess from
the evil bad guy who's he has a galactic
space Empire or do you you make
something like Game of Thrones where you
if this really dark political Intrigue
and all this dialogue and this person's
betraying this person this person's a
spy and that cuz that's what Andor is
MHM one is for adults one is for
children and I guess or or the young at
heart let's say that the Star Wars the
stupid well no ST the original Star Wars
Trilogy isn't for stupid it's it's for
everybody I'm kidding um but what which
way do you go with it and I get maybe
it's a a good thing that the Star Wars
franchise has so
many uh facets I guess or age ranges
like uh I'm a baby and I want to watch
baby Jedi Adventures I'm a 48-year-old
man and I want to watch this the most
depressing thing I've ever seen Oh I
thought you were going to say I'm a
48-year-old man and I want to watch Jedi
baby Adventures that's too that too um
and then it's like okay little Tommy
Tommy's eight and Tommy wants to watch
some Star Wars let's put on
Andor
I I'd liked anything space when I was a
kid I might have actually liked this
when I was a kid or at least some of the
at least some of the more exciting story
arcs in this cuz there's like there's
like three or four separate mini movies
in this yeah yeah yeah and that's that's
what I I liked is that it just it
changes up its uh tone quite a bit not
the tone but the locals and scenarios
he's um uh he's he's a thief on like a
planet that's controlled by a
corporation and it's not even really
controlled by the Empire it's controlled
by like a corporation yeah that operates
within the Empire it starts off as as a
a noirish murder mystery then it goes to
a heist movie then it goes to a prison
escape movie yeah yeah the opening I I
think that's what grabbed me was that
kind of first episode or two when he's
searching for his sister but he's in a
he's in an adjunct planet of the Empire
a a corporate Planet it's like a company
town almost that does mining I don't I
don't know it's like always raining and
there's like a security company that
maintains the planet it's so it's not
the Empire they're like the corporate
cops the corporate the corporate own
police force yeah and and the uh Andor
gets like harassed by these two guys he
goes to like a
brothel right off the bat's like okay
tell Timmy to watch baby Jedi instead he
goes to a brothel and he's trying to
find his sister and um these guys rough
him up and then he ends up killing them
both and then um that great scene I love
that scene with the head of the
corporate cops this case appears to Bear
all the Hallmarks of what I like to
describe as regrettable misadventure but
they were murdered no they were killed
in the fight this guy this actor was on
a show called
I must investigate this and he's really
like um and I want to talk about his
character Arc cuz that was the most
important thing in the whole show for me
and it let me down well yeah yeah it's
like an anti- character Arc it it was
that was the most disappointing and
maybe it'll
change in season two no he's he's he's
gone too far into insane territory to
fix his character I think well let's
just talk about it because I might
forget to talk about it later yeah
that's fine no we can talk about it and
I want to see if you agree with me on
this cuz watching this I'm like what is
his what is his Arc and he is um he
parallels Andor almost
precisely uh but on opposite ends right
Andor is a like a he grew up he was like
on a alien planet as a kid and he got
rescued um by Smugglers or um what
thieves I don't know yeah
scavengers a better term for it yeah
scavengers um his mother and his father
they would be his adopted parents cuz uh
he was like a tribal kid on a planet
that uh in in Star Trek terms it's I get
the feeling his Planet would have been
pre-warp yes definitely um and so he
grew up poor scrap scrapping around you
know breaking the law blah blah blah
blah blah meanwhile Kyle Soler character
car s Karin Law and Order guy he gets
really involved D in Justice he wants
Justice uh someone killed those two guys
even though they're scummy guys hanging
out of brothel Justice and duty duty and
Justice and he he goes to this Mission
which turns into a
disaster and he gets fired essentially
or demoted kicked out he ends up back at
home in his mother's house that's kind
of great at first they wore thin on me
after like Eight Episodes but he he gets
sent to corusant his mother lives in
like a basement apartment in corusant
which was awesome and the view out of
his childhood bedroom window was like
miserable you remember that like I don't
remember the view but it's it's it's
noteworthy cuz it's just nothing but
just like concrete and and just is just
ugly and there her apartment is so dingy
and small and she's nagging him you know
it it was almost comical I thought it
was going to I I could to be honest I
thought it was going to end with him
just murdering I I I I I thought that's
where they were
going what is it you'll be asking
for someone who'll take you on S setting
the bar high are we Uncle har will know
what's best he uh she's like I'm going
to hook you up with Uncle so and so and
he can get you a job and then he he
shows up and it's like this giant like
office uh what what is it the department
of just
standards a sea of um cubicles
yeah the the Star Wars equivalent of
cubicles so he has like a mundane like
nothing job and he's he's like angry and
then he gets interrogated by Dedra Dedra
that's it Dedra Miro she's like she's
working her way up the ladder too her
and that other guy are like stabbing
each other in the back to try to get the
approval of the head guy she's working
her way up the Imperial like law
enforcement ladder CIA the intelligence
intelligence yeah um and she
interrogates him and he's like he's like
uh you want Cassie Endor I want to get
him too blah blah blah blah I could work
with you I can help you and she doesn't
want his help because she wants all the
credit M um and she basically tells him
to [ __ ] off and he starts stalking her
he wants to do the right thing for a
couple episodes he's trying to find
Andor himself he's doing and he he his
friend from the police force or the
security Force calls him he's like I
found out
he's working the shittiest job in the
world indeed been a bit rugged for me
lately but you know the he's set on
finding Andor he never says like I'm
going to kill him or and then I thought
like Andor lives with his mother this
guy lives with his mother they're sort
of like on different ends and I really
thought at the very end he was going to
betray the blonde dear dear dearra dear
Mira Dedra Mira or whatever I thought he
was going to betray her or or or maybe
at the last minute save Andor because
he's all about Justice there comes a
time when
the the risk of doing
nothing becomes the greatest risk of
all and the Empire has done
nothing to provide that Justice you know
what I mean yeah yeah there's a will
murder are running free because of
corruption and laxity in the corporate
Authority I was punished for trying to
uphold the law do my job maintain Public
Safety it almost seemed like he would
have a character a complete 180 where he
realized that the real Justice being
done in the galaxy is done by the rebels
it it would have fit thematically too
because in this show a lot of the people
who are currently Rebels used to be part
of the imperial system right former
Stormtroopers
uh CIA guys who are moles now yeah cuz
he did everything he could the correct
way and the real Injustice that was
happening within the Empire or within
the corporate structure that he was in
um the the the hierarchy whatever you
want to call it and um he was not able
to achieve that and so I would think he
would um empathize or relate to Andor
and I just pictured this ending where
the the the blonde woman has the gun at
him you know and Andrew oh don't shoot
me and then and then you know the camera
pans over and there he is pointing the
gun at her I I I was going to let you
help me track him down but
no you you inhibit Justice You're a
tyrant this Show's very very maybe not
so maybe not so um Grand or cliched yeah
not maybe not literal that's literally
what happened but um uh him him
switching sides would have been a nice
treat because he was he was hunting
Andor I just didn't want I'm mad and I
want to kill him like Revenge kind of
thing because of what happened I thought
it would have given his character some
depth like he he re he realized the
reason he was hunting Andor was for the
wrong reasons you know what I mean yeah
have you modified your
uniform perhaps
slightly Pockets piping and some light
tailoring because I mean he he starts
off almost almost likable because he is
the only one that cares about doing his
job properly yeah it turns out he's
incompetent at it but he at least cares
about doing things the right way he's an
interesting character in that way which
is why I I kind of suspected they were
going to do something like that where he
was going to be either a good guy all
along behind the scenes or have that
turn but well he tried he tried
everything he could do by the book book
uh by procedure by the law within the
imperial system and it did nothing back
for him they just basically said [ __ ]
you we don't want your
help there's a lot of uh uh moral gray
area that you didn't get with the
original trilogy or the prequels or most
things like B mothma is making some
compromises MH to get this Rebellion
thing off I mean she sells out her own
[ __ ] daughter to a crime Lord yeah
because she needs money mhm uh uh AIS uh
Luan what's his name like like Luan Luan
he's he he is very morally great yes
like he he he gives Ander this speech
like don't you want to fight them come
on and then like you know the next day
after the job is done he puts out the
order yeah kill him mhm but he's he's
doing what he thinks he has to do
and even Andor you know yeah he kills
the the guy from the you ever watch the
bear that show no the guy the guy who um
he told him the story about his brother
who had the the apple farm or something
he was killed by the Empire he was lying
oh yeah he was just really there to
steal money and then um he's like come
on come on come on with me Andor we'll
split it and Andor just murders
him cuz he couldn't after that after he
he could not be trusted after that after
he exposed himself and couldn't turn his
back to him yeah or else you know so
it's sort of self-defense but in the the
same way it's just sort of like
coldblooded murder same with the guy in
the very first
episode you mentioned World building the
idea of how to form a Galactic Empire is
is to me like kind of hard to hard to
wrap your head around and you would need
like 12 TV series to do it how do you
start a galactic
umpire new
chapter you you have the Phantom medice
you you have electrocuted your own face
with your laser fingers okay which has
turned you into a monster ah and you
just threw Samuel L Jackson out the
window uh how do you start a Galactic
Empire you just you take I mean it's
it's happened in history it's happened
in [ __ ] Rome the one thing that was
interesting in the one idea I should say
in the prequels was
Palpatine uh
creating uh I guess you'd call it
military-industrial complex right like
the need
for uh constant buildup of Army and
machine machines of War based on a
threat an everpresent threat right that
he has manufactured so that he can have
his own personal Army ex and so he he
created the Clone War um that he devised
so that there would be a need for the
Senate to approve building millions of
starships and creating clone troops and
all that kind of stuff so you have to
have the power first
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power you do that you do that step by
step one little bill I need this this
power to do this act to enforce this
aspect of society right oh we need to
monitor the phone lines now because of
this terrorist act so and here's a new
law where I have control over the phone
and the communication you just you do it
bit by bit until you have full control
over everything but then but it's
different on a galactic
scale you do you know this from
experience well you have you have
planets other I guess I don't know the
makeup the the the one thing I'm most
interested in Star Wars is the the mon
calamari uhhuh because they were like
the Workhorse of the rebellion in terms
of spaceships they were they were the
race that had the giantest largest space
cruisers and
um like those kind of planets must exist
out there you know what I mean and I
think that was the purpose of them is
once they joined the Rebellion it kind
of really picked up speed they didn't
have they had bigger ships to fight
where are they where's their race in the
grand scheme of things I I could presume
that the the galactic Republic might not
be the entire galaxy but it might be
more like you know Europe as supposed to
do the entire world maybe just very
large but there are still other smaller
bodies out there I don't know see that's
the thing it's it's almost mindboggling
and and how to how to handle it you know
my pay is a NE Republican
the gourman front the partisan Alliance
sector human cultist Galaxy petition
they're lost all of them lost the the
this the scene where they do the heist
on the Whatchamacallit the uh all Altera
or something yeah the the all the they
take all the gold or space the the
entire what is it the the payroll
payroll for an entire sector of the
Empire and see that's other thing too is
now you're bringing economics the
Galactic Empire is paying I want to see
a character that instead of like
quitting being a stormtrooper decides to
go become one you squeeze their e
economics in their City to where they
they they can't provide for themselves
well there's a great way where you could
provide for your family join the Army
you know what I mean uh um they maybe
that's something they could do yet I
there's nothing saying they can't have a
a show where do now you've got a
contradiction in where Storm Troopers
came from they were clone troopers
before but now they're not are there
worlds out there because all every World
we've seen like that's why I'm
interested in the mang
kelari get away from me I want to see
the m i want to see the mang calamari
home world and because if they could
build spaceships that big they have some
tech they have an advanced Society uhhuh
the Star Wars worlds we see are worlds
like um I what what's the Andor world
that where he lives with his mother all
the fcks yeah worlds like that where
they're still bartering they're they're
cutting up fish meat they're sell
they're cleaning up Scrappy Parts uh we
see fck we see Tatooine we see a lot of
like poor planets where they're
scrapping by but I I'm I'm curious about
the the the me median income worlds
where they have technology and they have
people that are like doing okay where
they don't feel the need to Rebel
because they're in living in squalor and
see see you you and me grew up in a
world where the middle class was a thing
a middle class that's what the middle
class is currently shrinking sure and
that's when the middle class shrinks
that's when you get horrible [ __ ] like
the Empire yeah yeah okay the Empire
might not have much of a middle class I
guess I want to see the nuts and bolts
of the Empire crushing or
uh conquering I don't know what what the
term would be a middle class middle
upper class world to where they come in
and they say oh hi we're the Empire I
know you have a really perfectly
functioning Planet you know you have
technology you you you but we want to
take over and we want to we can ex we
can suck out all of your resources and
and basically conquer you yeah occupy
your planet take take your uh men and
turn them into Stormtroopers recruit
people like like where do these people
come from who are in the the ISB room
like where do they come from do they
apply for
jobs are they cons conscripted are
they it would make sense that you apply
for a job you take like an intelligence
test like you are super smart you go to
this department you're dumb you fly a
TIE fighter around and shoot the lasers
like like how does it work
and Andor gives us a taste of that yeah
some sectors might naturally appear more
exciting from the outside weights and
gauges may seem a more vibrant Arena
than redundancy or verification but walk
the floor talk to any lifetime
employee you'll be
surprised like I loved all those scenes
the Imperial scenes they're having the
board meetings it's like the scene in
the new hope you know I like I like the
board I like those scenes better in this
because they're not mustache they're
villains but they're not mustache
twirling yes they're just they're just
very competently doing their jobs
talking about how they can stamp out
this growing Rebel threat or figuring
out that there even is a rebel threat if
if Star Wars is just going to be three
movies it's just a fairy tale and we
tell that story and we're done with it I
prefer it to be black and white if we're
going to go on and on and on and on
we're going to be endless I I think you
need the kind of complexity that gray
gives us or or else you're just doing
the same black and white story over and
over again where the young Jedi fights
the evil Jedi ad nauseum until you throw
up every night cry yourself to sleep so
so I think I think your road to more
interesting complex stories is Andor
style great I didn't want you to have to
make this
Choice well the greater good call it
what you
will it's call it
War
I I I I enjoyed all the dialogue in this
all the
performances the the the scenery the
look they really they really like I
guess Rogue one did the same thing but
they just go all in like this the this
retro future 70s style future the
haircuts the haircuts in this are on
point well and the tech too like um the
' 70s Tech it it's it's perfect the one
what's the scene where he's speaking
into the mic and it's the like the same
mic um that Han Solo is yelling into um
but but on that point it doesn't do the
like the member berries or the um uh St
it's not Star Wars porn like the this
compared to like Rogue one Rogue one is
like
disgusting like overload of Star Wars
porn this is like I I you you hear a TIE
fighter and you see it Fly by in the
beginning and the sound is like
terrifying it's like it's like that
sound is so
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great you don't see Stormtroopers for
like seven episodes and when you do
they're like in the background it's like
not even important yeah it's like oh
that's a thing and I think you see The
Little Death Star
Droid
but it the the uh the
restraint on remember that remember that
stuff is like it's just needed it's
placed where it's just needed and that's
it yeah that is like very impressive
like relating to like the look of the
show there's one thing and it's the
dumbest thing in the world but I just
love it we talked about the U in
informant that's in the ISB that one guy
just his haircut and mustache it's it's
perfect that man looks like he both
looks like he's in a science fiction
show yet he also looks like he walked
straight out of the 70s yeah I I
actually really like that scene when he
goes in that elevator and it's like this
janky elevator it's going up to like
200th floor and that Corridor and that
look it's so Star Wars It's So Empire
Strikes Back looking
subtle but very very star warsy without
being being Rogue one over overload know
cuz I hate that movie it's just too much
it's too much it's too I it's just dumb
go to a place go to a place everyone
dies the end yeah it was just dumb it
was this the writing is better it's very
slow moving it's very intriguing um the
only cons that I would have um just sort
of like you mentioned Andor as a
character is he's not the most okay this
is this is just me the some an issue I
am having with the show
is I I can't not know that Cassie and
Andor dies five minutes after the show
ends and it is like impossible for me to
let myself get too invested in his
character no I I guess I guess I I I
that to me doesn't really bother me I
think the only thing is that it's
everything is fairly like joyless
uh and I I get it's a darker show but if
I if I were to have a note on it it
would be
just give us a little something no don't
you want to wallow don't let's wallow in
the misery yeah you're okay we're
establishing that our Empire is a bad
thing that needs to be defeated and they
are making everything miserable I I'm
not talking jarjar Binks level of comic
relief the robot is enough I'm happy
with the robot he's
adorable I don't know my my human self
wants I know there's the we didn't talk
about the bricks bicks character the uh
which one was big
female uh she gets interrogated all the
hell and then he rescues her at the end
I think there's a there's sort of um
implications that they may have had a
prior romance yeah and she's with Tim I
love that the guy's name is
Tim it's not Krebs Goron or anything
like that it's Tim it's got two M's
though I'm pretty
sure that's fine uh it's not it's not
gloron
clabor t t ymm yeah it's Tim he's Tim um
so I think there's a there there's a
little romance there uh but I just I I
need a little I need someone to kind of
smile just once just smile it's all I
need you no no cuz here's the thing
though here's the thing with this now
that you have a universe if you need to
smile put on the original trilogy there
you go I I'm I I kind of enjoy this
being miserable okay I guess so yeah I I
I just want a dash just a dash Can can I
applaud their restraint in the Bix
interrogation scene sure when when uh
when Dedra is talking about I have this
evil scientist and he has invented the
new most evil way to extract information
from somebody I was waiting for the the
brown black Droid to come
up they just they didn't go there and
thank
you thank you well and that guy he's
like oh hi how are you doing today it's
like here here's audio of the death
screams of children um it will melt your
brain uh he was a psychopath but what
they did do and I don't know if you
noticed this uhhuh a very subtle nod to
A New Hope when the the black spherical
Droid with the needle on the end goes at
Princess Leia and Vader goes and then
the door closes the camera pans down
rapidly and follows the footsteps of a
stormtrooper or a black guy in the black
outfit they do the same shot in this
where the doors closed I didn't notice
CU I haven't watched those movies in
ages but every frame of Star Wars is in
my memory banks every shot every camera
move so they do that same thing
sho I'm going to put him side by side
I'm sure others have noticed but it was
it was clever it was a clever little
wink but yes they didn't go so far as
bringing out the probe interrogation
Droid zoom in on the needle 70s zoom in
on the needle yeah I was expecting that
too but the guy played the death screams
of of
children and I'm like that's new and
evil and and very evil yeah their
screams are so haunting it will melt
your
brain see to me I think the
contradiction that's really hard for my
brain to get around and this is C this
Andor has certainly helped but when you
take Star Wars Ultra seriously you know
the first one it's like Han and lucer on
the Death Star and they're they put on
costumes and they break into the
security booth and H's like hey what
there's a princess I'm going to sleep
with her first no no no she's mine we're
going to go rescue her all right kid
let's go rescue the princess is she cute
does she have money you know this
they're all [ __ ] around there no
one's like it's not as deadly serious
and in this it's it's pretty good yeah
it's spying it's backstabbing betrayal
it's it's morally ambiguous and smartly
written and yeah you can't it the Empire
has to be serious and in the first
couple movies they're a little goofy
yeah yeah I
mean yeah the Ewoks are rock the bad
guys they're the bad guys and they're
not more they're not depth uh much more
depthful other than that mm if they do a
season two of
Andor they shouldn't have called it
Andor that yeah I was just going to say
that because you know who we haven't
talked about that much Andor because
he's the
least really is really kind of the least
interesting character in this is that
fair mon moth was more interesting axis
is a lot more interesting uh mon
mothma's cousin the the spoiled rich
girl who's pretending to be a spoiled
rich girl
she's in the Rebellion but she's like
unsure of herself she's more interesting
than Andor is K SK Kyle sorl skyroll kyn
yeah uh that guy's great but like you
said if we called it Star Wars
resistance resistance Rebellion Uprising
um then you could you could say oh
andor's gone off to do this job we don't
know what's going to happen to him let's
now follow cuz it it leads to a sequel
season seon because we have a now a nice
little uh cast of characters that all
board the ship we got
Bix uh andor's friend robot and then
there's like a older black lady who was
part of the sisters of fck uh she's just
like I'm going
too and I'm like who's that well then
also you get uh Andor going to I keep
calling him axis I know that's what the
Empire Luan or Lu Luan Luan and you get
Cassie ner going to luthan and that's
almost
unresolved too it's like what is Luan
gonna do he he's like shoot me and I I
was a little bit surprised because I
thought the season was just going to end
like its own self-contained completely
thing I didn't think the plan was more
of this yet the way this ended
definitely feels like there's going to
be more I mean the only real hiccup
would be obviously can't
go you can't go 10 years because that
actor's going to keep aging and he died
10 years ago right yeah you can't go too
far the timeline in terms of like when
the
um they steal the Death Star plans is to
me I don't know I don't know BB wise
maybe maybe if they want to go on eight
more years they just start one season
where he just shows up he's like got
soot all over him I got out just in
time no but but in terms of like how
many years it'll be or Seasons it'll be
until it gets to the events in Rogue one
I we don't know other than Diego Luna
aging aging uh that's the only real
problem but you could he could have
three seasons four seasons of Adventures
before Rogue one yeah yeah I mean you
can even maybe just turn the computer
knob the DH knob a little I guess that's
getting cheaper and cheaper just turn
that knob a little and maybe no you know
I don't know but um or you could just
I'd be I'd just turn that part of my
brain off I was like okay the actor's a
little older whatever it's the same yeah
me as a as a but I I don't think that
flies at most audience members these
days when we were young they used to
like recast people in TV shows all the
time I know it's weird Darren was a
different person in one season of
Bewitched and and logically this show
isn't going to go on for like 10 seasons
it doesn't happen anymore at most we'd
probably get three um and if if season
two he there there he goes off to find
his friends that he sent off bicks and
the wacky cast of characters and they
have more Adventures uh they're going to
do that but they'll also probably
continue to expand on how the Empire
works and I think that's just that's
just what I need I need that because I
got a little window into it into all the
different agencies and I want to know
like where these people come from where
the blonde lady where is she from what
how did she become that you know at what
point are you just like evil in in your
heart where you're just like hey this
sounds great like like no she's she's
she's fighting to preserve her way of
life Mike cuz that was always my problem
with like Luke turning to the dark side
in
Jedi um was like what what is the
Emperor offering him yeah you know join
me okay and that's one thing that Lucas
tried to do in the prequels was give
Anakin motivation
it was stupid it clumsy clumsy it was
clumsy is the the kind word for it
here's a dream of padame dying during
child birth if you become evil you have
magical powers that are beyond the Jedi
that could prevent her from dying okay
that's motivation for him wanting to
become evil yeah okay that in his
childish musings that the world would be
so much better if he had absolute power
remember how he romance Padme the
senator who dedicated her life to
democracy
by saying he would love to overthrow
democracy and have unlimited power for
himself yeah I think uh fascist
dictatorships not a bad idea it's like
oh no don't throw that line in there
George that ruins the character before
you ruin the
character he's evil from the get-go if
he was a really really nice guy and then
he got spooked by the fact that he he
had a vision that padame was going to
die that's a heroic tragic fall but yeah
the fact that he was he was a proponent
for
fascism right out the right out the
GetGo on their first
date sounds an awful lot like a
dictatorship to
me well if it
works so many problems there and those
prequels now how did you do those
animals are they camels that you've
changed they're old cyber animals uh I I
want to see I want to see more of uh of
not particularly Andor but Andor is just
a piece of a larger puzzle yeah he's
that's what I like about that's what I
like about I have always said that Star
Wars is really a very small world I've
complained about that endlessly and this
show is the first step towards
correcting that for me yeah yeah it
definitely expands it we see things we
haven't seen before we've seen some
things we've seen before we see the
Senate um you see things fleshed out
fleshed out like how the Empire we've
seen the Empire before but seeing like
the specifics of how the Empire operates
is something we haven't seen right yeah
and a couple little moments we we uh
that were that were refreshing and uh I
I like the part where um luthan escapes
from the Star Destroyer that was like an
exciting Little Star Wars moment you
know he we finally see him in action
he's not just a you know a puppet string
puller guy in a guy who's working behind
the scenes he actually has some some
skills himself um oh I I I I love the
the Dual like Alter Ego thing he has
going on he puts on the wig and he's
just fish an oh oh I'm high society man
and then he takes the wig off I've given
up everything for the
cause yeah yeah yes yes he's playing two
parts he's the he's the best character
in this and they should have just even
though he's a character that never
appeared anywhere before they should
have just called this show luthan yeah
Luan Lu Luan I don't know whatever I
don't care
AIS no no but but which is an odd name
for a guy who fights
fascism just saying and the I think they
refer to him as axis because an axis is
the center I I know I know looking at it
from a meta perspective a bit of there's
a bit of irony there I get it yes yes
yes and that's another thing too is I
never really saw recent absolutely hate
the Empire that's what I'm saying
until uh Cassie nandor decides to go to
the beach planet to spend his money and
sleep with prostitutes and he's just
walking around and he gets roughed up
what are you doing you committing some
kind of crime well you're under arrest
and we're what and then he gets dumped
in the most miserable prison which
ironically is very clean ironically very
clean it it was was like oh but uh I
would rather be in a you know Alcatraz
than there he's just you you have to
constantly work and you could get
electrocuted by the floor it was like a
nightmare yeah and I'm like and then
they find out and Andy Circus is in it
we didn't mention that um he's he's the
oh the the yeah the the boss the boss of
the of the other
prisoners they find out like oh they
executed a 100 200 men on one level for
some reason and oh yeah you're never
getting out of here they say your prison
sentence ends but it's not going to and
so that made me actually
like hate the Empire want to rebel
against them before it's just like well
what the problem they're the designated
bad guys versus this where it's like oh
they're the bad guys yeah now you
realize why they're the bad guys cuz cuz
they're pretty
awful uh and they take people's freedoms
away unjustly that court scene oh my God
the judge is like she's opening like
pistachios do you remember that it's
like getting all over the control panel
it's like ah six months usually this s
six years H then she's just a cog in the
machine she's got and see those those
are the type of characters too that I
want them to explore like the scummy
people who are who just who have that
security of being part of the Empire
that safety yeah if you're part of it
numerous characters that are all heroes
uh heroic rebellious characters in their
own way doing their own thing within the
scope of their limits you know obviously
access character Luther luthan is more
uh he has more resources skills than
someone like Andor he's got that his
badass spaceship um he's got he's he's
obviously got money and connections he's
got money and and he's well connected um
to politicians to and he he's he puts
together this rabble of people to break
in here he's doing things so he has his
own skill set you know Andor does mon
mothma you know all these characters and
so definitely the the best written and
executed Star Wars
product that I've seen since the yeah
the original
trilogy
I enjoyed the Mandalorian season one it
was fun it was fun adventures but this
is this is solid this is this is just
solid Mandalorian one was like like kind
of like a comic book yeah um this is
more like a Mandalorian was fun
adventures this is drama I just fear
season
two cuz remember season well I haven't
watched it but season two of The
Mandalorian we had like a CGI Luke
Skywalk
Walker and uh I've still never watched
it just because everything I heard about
it coming out I was just like I heard it
turned into like a memberberry Boba Fett
shows up L Skywalker shows up these
characters from that Clone Wars cartoon
series you never watch show up and I'm
just
like maybe not this I I just feel like
well I know someone who could help us
they are a Jedi it's a shoka they they
almost went without any references to
did Jedi in this at all they almost did
it did they have one the crystal I'm
pretty the crystal that access gives
Cassie and Andor I'm pretty sure is the
Lighty kyber Crystal um that that's fine
but that was subtle enough where it's
fine but if they if they go and we start
having like you know they go to deoa and
talk to Yoda and whatever [ __ ] it oh
what luan's going to be a secret Jedi
that's going to be a the broken Crystal
from his old
lightsaber he does have that they're
going to ruin his character does know it
will always be worth more to me I want
it back when this is over he does have
that weird staff thing they're going to
ruin his character he's going to be his
secret Jedi what are you
Luan I've never really
known what are
you
yeah
okay I know hate the show is he going to
fight Darth Vader is he going to fight
Darth Vader oh it's happening you're so
good with your predictions you're
probably
right he's going to put that he's going
to take that broken Crystal and he's
going to put it inside his staff and
that staff he has it has it it look when
he was walking with it it looked like a
lightsaber oh no oh no yeah oh you're
right oh no they're going to ruin his
character he's so interesting and
they're going to ruin his character but
making him a [ __ ]
Jedi
oh [ __ ]
this [ __ ] Andor [ __ ]
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