What We Expect from WWDC and Google I/O

well you know speaking of totally

different

worlds uh two very different developer

conferences invites went out like that

that was pretty solid I feel like Google

six Google and apple both announced uh

their developer conference dates this

summer Google IO and worldwide developer

conference being

apples um we expect very different

things at each of these and I guess but

also not really do we well we expect

similar things in different styles we

expect AI from both of them yeah well

maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but

Jaws tweeted it's going to be absolutely

incredible with both of those words

capitalized a in absolutely and I an

incredible Capital oh he thinks we're 12

so yeah AI probably we all got that but

I think yeah we all kind of been waiting

for this AI thing from Apple for forever

and it's this the invite is the Siri

colors and like we've been hearing all

these murmurings about you know chat GPT

and open AI but also Gemini and Google

and like what is Apple actually going to

do with AI on the iPhone even lately

I've seen um I've had just random

mentions of AI from Apple where they're

like oh yeah we've been an AI company

the whole time like we've had the most

advanced neural engine on our Apple

silicon chips for years now and I'm like

yeah you could I guess you could just

start saying that now you're not wrong

but you haven't been saying it like that

until just recently so it's kind of

interesting I would argue they are

wrong it's you could you could Silo in

an argument where they're like

technically right but also my argument

is that an incredible amount of things

that people are branding as AI now were

just machine learning that has been

happening for a very long time and it's

funny cuz Apple had never Apple never

says AI right and I made a whole video

about how Apple never says Ai and then

just recently they started being like Oh

yeah we oh yeah that's us AI for sure we

said it we've been doing it yeah I know

we say machine learning and neural

engine and all that stuff but like yeah

this is are they just going to suddenly

say AI a thousand times on stage this

year a dub dub I think they just wait a

really long time to make sure that

something is act like a new category is

actually sticking before they associate

themselves with it it's every feature in

the iPhone pretty much it's like

all of the new features have been out

already and then they just like waited

till it was definitely popular polished

the hell out of it and popped it out

yeah popular or like offered real real

utility to their customers because I

think there are plenty of things that

you could Off You could argue were way

way early in other phones but didn't

really offer utility and then it took

extra years for people to figure out oh

this is actually good for people yeah um

and there's so many little examples I'm

very very interested in what besides

like better Siri like a fully revamped

like Transformer based Siri which I

really hope exists uh they're going to

add because they're I really don't think

they're going to do like AI wallpapers

and all of that kind of stuff right

there's lots of those little things that

others have done first that aren't

necessarily that useful like AI

wallpapers but then there are some

things that I think are obvious wins

like well they've already done the

keyboard they've already done slightly

better Auto the keybo by the way I feel

like has made the keybo worse in I

actually haven't noticed anything

different for me it feels like the auto

the auto suggestions and auto correct

have just gotten way worse if I'm not

typing a word that's like a commonly

used like this morning I was trying to

type the word atres and my phone just

like I mean was not that's not the

phone it's from Dune it's from it's a

dune thing okay I don't think any

keybard would naturally get that one

well no no no no no it's it's not like

it was trying to

like it would it's not like I would

finish the word correctly and then it

would do it like if CU it does the

predictive what letter is coming next

yeah so if it if it really struggles to

know like it's almost the the touchcreen

is useless especially on my little tiny

mini phone yeah true true at trades it's

that is not a weird thing I'm just

saying that's just slightly above fata

for me just slightly above it I just

don't think I would know how to spell it

yeah but also like Transformers are are

trained on the Comon it of how often

words are used around other words it's

in the most popular movie right now

right now Andrew help me out I was gonna

make a joke who in here has seen Dune I

still haven't seen either of them no

haven't seen it no one besides Ellis has

seen Dune here wow Adam seen Dune one

Dune one oh was a trus in it a trades

yes but my argument is that they're

fictional names and characters and

places absolutely can't people to know

are typing them into their iPhones yeah

but that's not how this is trained mhm

it's not it's not real time it's trained

on like an existing data set of common

words uh really yeah there like it's

probably up to like 2022 or something

yeah and also other people so there is a

mechanism in the new iOS 17 keyboard

that learns based on the way that you

type right but it doesn't learn based on

the way that other iPhone users Ty so

does this mean I'm a fake fan of you

just have to start typing that I'm

clearly not typing aades you got well no

that's a great Point actually though

because I feel like that's Apple's whole

problem thus far is that they don't have

that giant data set of all their users

is why they're probably going to use

Gemini that's the whole argument they

don't like their whole thing is security

and we don't scrape your data and we

don't scrape other people's data and

give it to other people and with large

language models they're kind of boned

yeah I want to point I want to paint

this I want to paint this as clearly as

possible in order to have a really and

we I've phrased this many different ways

but in order to have the smartest

possible most useful AI like think of a

think of a real human assistant who's

going to help you out in order for that

person to be the most helpful for you

they need to know everything about you

right if they're going to start

scheduling your flights they need to

know oh do you like window seats do you

like usually fly out of this airport do

you like United or Delta they need to

know everything about you and so if

you're knowing everything about someone

you have a lot of data on them and and

minimal privacy but Apple's whole stance

and their whole policy is to keep as

little data as possible none if they can

help it and to know nothing about you

and to keep everything private as much

as possible which is great and very

Noble and super it's a big reason why a

lot of people like the iPhone but now

that means they by definition I think

cannot build the most helpful assistant

that knows everything about you yeah and

so how does Apple get around this like

Apple's Google's out here knowing

everything about you and giving you all

the

Poss yeah before you even know you want

that it's like I know you're about to

wake up so I'm going start helping you

out with the thing you're going to eat

for breakfast like it knows you super

well and so they're able to offer all

this helpful stuff which people like do

they partner do they compromise on that

that that policy that they have to let

Google in the door to collect or or to

at least use the data they already have

maybe they don't collect on the iPhone

but to use the they're going to do

Google has collected so much much data

over time and I think Apple's just going

to be like we're going to use that and

is that data a one toone match of what

they need or do iPhone users maybe use

their phones slightly differently than

the all the other users they already

have I don't know if that's going to

come up it seems more focused around

large language models I would guess yeah

and like natural language processing so

they'll probably use it for Siri mhm I

don't really see them using it for a lot

of other stuff which is why I'm actually

very curious cuz if this whole wwc is

supposed to be focused around AI

I imagine they're going to like for

multiple of their products say we added

some sort of AI to this but what else

besides Siri could they add AI to that

would make like a large Tang reminders I

was going to say the rumor did say like

iOS 18 right features so it was plural

so there are potentially many different

things in there that it could be added

to I guess like and when ja says

absolutely incredible it assumes that

that's going to be like the theme of the

yeah yeah so they'll probably PL of I'm

I'm super interested in both of these

happening and they being a connection

are they going to talk about each other

during their confence like apple has to

talk about Google no really you think

they're just going or do you think they

just say Gemini I don't think they're

even going to say you don't think

they're going to say gem at all I would

say that's probably part of the deal is

that they don't have to mention Google

at all it would be really impressive if

they never mentioned Google if they

literally partner this is gonna be a way

for him bet no no this well before we

get to it though did they mention go

when Google became the default search in

Safari did they talk about that at all

so long ago was it ever not the default

search I think they immediately I think

it was pretty immedi yeah interesting

and that was like back in 2008 okay yeah

when very different company now almost

not worth mentioning when they Apple

announced RCS was that in an event or

just that they were that was was random

press release relase it was I don't

think it was even a press release I

think it just went out and yeah they

seated it they seated a quote to a

journal yeah it wasn't even a press

release I it will be really interesting

I I know that these companies look like

they copy each other's feutures a lot so

when I'm trying to predict what they're

going to do I'm literally looking at

what's just happened with the past

couple Google events and even Samsung

like Circle to

search kind of an interesting feature

right something's on my screen I want to

just like quickly search that thing

online and bring you s results that

could be interesting or maybe IM message

you start planning a trip in a group

chat maybe this little assistant clippy

bot comes down and starts helping you

the trip it doesn't have to be clippy

cuz it's Apple not Microsoft but you

know I'm looking at other parallel

feature yeah just Craig's head floats

down it looks like you're trying to plan

yeah that's that's my thought process

for trying to figure out what other than

Siri Apple could be doing with AI yeah I

mean considering they update pretty much

every OS for all of their devices

hopefully we're going to see something

coming to like the watch and

iPad hod that was going to my question

because remember Google they announced

Gemini with like three different

versions I forgot which one was supposed

to be on the phone Pico or something

Nano thank um Apple has watches they

have earbuds like there's so many other

things computers yeah what is it going

to be like is it just plugged into I

would say Gemini Nano gets put on the

Apple watch on the on the watch see I

was going to say Nano gets put on the

phone or something similar to it you

know like probably but then what goes on

on the watch there's multiple features

coming to multiple devices I just don't

see it being a onetoone fix to like

other things yeah I don't know I'm well

there's also okay so there there's a

distinction between like local Ai and

cloud-based AI as well yeah the local

stuff is the best experience usually

it's the fastest like the live

translations if you just download the

language model or whatever you can do

live translations on the device that's

usually awesome which and apple was

pretty last WWDC they mentioned a lot of

local learning like being Incorporated

to so many different things so is this

like a an aspect of they're going to

keep the local stuff themselves and then

Outsource the kind of I actually believe

that the rumor when we talked about this

I think two weeks ago maybe this

happened the rumor was specifically that

Apple was Outsourcing it to Google for

the cloud-based AI stuff I forget if it

was that but it I remember the article

very much feeling like Gemini wasn't

taking over all of AI that it was

features and that this is going to be

kind of split in I it's mostly going to

be for the cloud stuff okay yeah so yeah

could be interesting and then of course

Google IO uh which can we make the BET

first oh yeah sorry do we is it just do

we think they mention Google or Gemini

do we think that the word Google is said

on stage or or Gemini Google or gemini

or do we think like I don't think they

say either you don't think either what

do you think wow that's a tough one I

think if we really think they're

partnering and and using I don't I don't

think they actually will be partnering

so I'm going to go with no think you

think that the rumor is false I think

yeah really I think they're going to try

to do as much on device as possible and

that's going to be the the hill that

they die on and they're going to want to

over time be able to bring more and more

things on device but they might just

take a stance against going to the cloud

for these slow experiences cuz Siri is I

mean that's Siri's bad like that's

people I mean I don't know if they know

how bad Siri is but I think that that's

more likely that they just try to keep

everything local and on device so they

don't send your information somewhere

and and hopefully that doesn't get

breached well but but you can

incorporate Gemini into things where

Gemini is pulling from all the other

sources it's learning from but Apple

doesn't have to put your stuff into it

right yeah I don't think that Apple will

use a local Gemini model I think they'll

only use Gemini for cloudbased AI that

they need the cloud for I think if they

do use Gemini then they've got to say it

at least once I don't think they're

going to say it at at all okay let's

assume that they will use Gemini okay I

think that they will say the name I'm

going to say they're not going to say

the I'm going to say they're going to

say Google and Gemini I don't think

they're gonna say either I I'm I'm

saying it as a I think it'll be funny if

they do and I'm gonna say screw it let's

let's I think they're going I like this

bet that's a good bet okay that's a good

bet okay speak Google also we're just

gonna we're just gonna skip Vision

OS that's a whole another thing is like

we expect Vision Pro updates probably at

WWDC yeah but we don't know what they

will be I was actually thinking about

that last week it was like it's kind of

exciting that now we get these whole big

updates for the Vision Pro as well yeah

that's kind of cool like cuz usually

they introduce iPhone features that we

didn't even think of and we're like that

makes a lot of sense that's really dope

yeah and is that going to happen for

Vision Pro or they they're probably just

going to introduce the things that

people have been complaining about I

would would be nice which would be nice

my guess is at WWDC we're going to see a

lot of especially this first time around

it's only been out for a few months it's

going to be like a bunch of different

progr that helps developers create

inside of it better where us three won't

have any idea what any of that really

means they'll definitely highlight like

how many how many apps have come out for

it since launch and things like that and

some of the highlights and the best apps

and oh personas are out of beta now or

they're they're version 1.1 or something

and they're better than last time stuff

like that yeah I think it'll be a minor

Vision OS thing you think I think so I

mean minor minor to us minor to the

consumer I'm sure developers they'll be

it only have been out for mon by the

time WWDC happens so it's fair but but

add that to the list of like 19 OS that

they've got to up exactly tvos Vision OS

iOS Mac OS Etc but okay Google IO Google

we've seen endless leaks of uh possible

pixel what is it 8A 8 and we I think

expect that to finally be unveiled at

least and then I still wish they would

just drop it with the mainline phones

and and be on the same number yeah

nothing's stopping them yeah Nothing is

Stopping Google's St because they make a

$350 phone and Google's is $500 now yeah

they don't want to maybe they just want

to overshadow their more expensive

phones who would buy a $900 pixel if the

$350 pixel came out the same

day yeah and we were we were also

talking about how the AA is basically

the eight yeah so so I guess I have to

never mind I get it all right they could

yeah it's a it's like a midle refresh in

a way or like a midcycle like hey you

can buy this slightly cut down one I

guess we're expecting the updates on

Gemini on the phone versus assistant on

the phone cuz at this very moment in

time it's not clear why people should be

moving from one to the other I do have a

potential Theory and it might be too

early for this okay but I assume we can

probably assume that the eventual plan

is to either deprecate assistant or

deprecate Gemini and eventually merge

them into one or actually probably

what's going to happen is because right

now Gemini the official name is like

Google Gemini powered by Gemini Ultra

1.5 or something like that and be I

think they're doing that very

intentionally so that they can like get

recognition for the model so that later

they can say Google assistant is now

powered by Gemini Ultra

2.4 so it's still the model so I imagine

and this is just a theory that maybe at

this Google IO they'll announce they're

working on merging them M so that

everything is just Google assistant

again I thought you were going to say

the more Google thing of kill both of

them new one it's called Google

Messenger it's called

Hangouts I do think I do hope we see

something though that's not this make

the decision between assistant on your

phone or Gemini on your pH that's AB

absurd it feels like they need to mix

them they're eventually I assume going

to mix them but I I just would like that

to happen sooner rather than later

honestly the biggest update I'm

expecting and then obviously Android

updates as well in general but uh yeah

very different style yeah so similar

question before assuming Gemini is going

to the iPhone does Google talk about

Apple no just Google and how they're

going to be powering things on the

iPhone maybe which is also funny because

it's earlier than WWDC oh they they

couldn't they they can't they would be

think so I don't think Apple cuz it

would yeah cuz Apple hasn't announced

anything AI related yet imagine Sundar

on stage like by the way we're going to

power whatever Apple's coming out with

in the next month they might say

something like we've we've established

some leading industry partners that

you're going to are going to be exciting

in the they'll be cryptic about that for

sure I do think it's harder but they

have announced things before like with

Samsung before Samsung's announced

things right at IO I know it's different

I know I know I'm just saying it's not

that wild of an interesting yeah no

they'll be I'm sure they'll announce

some some feature stuff that we don't

see coming I hope they do I hope they

say something about working with apple

here's the here's a I would love this

bet who will say AI more on on stage and

why is it Google Google go they will say

it Google's taking what they did last

year and they're they're imping it up

wait actually here's the BET will will

Google say AI more or less times than

last I yeah what's the over under yeah

what is last

something oh let me just find that out

real quick Andrew oh no I'm waiting

someone super cut someone's got to get

get the super cut machine ready because

we got to use that to count how many

times they say it was 137 I was say we

could throw thatt I said 150 dang wow

okay yeah 137 over under

150 it's going to be hard to say it more

you remember that last presentation

right they literally we're saying it

non-stop it's like every sentence uh I'm

going under because I think they'll say

more different types of buzzword like

models and large language and stuff like

that they're going to say multimodal

like eight times as many times as they

did last time yeah they need to flex

what's different about Gemini versus the

other models and unless GPT 5 comes out

which I I'm assuming is going to be

multimodal unless that comes out before

IO they're going to flex the hell out of

it so your over

under over one over

137 I'm

under I would say if Google wants to

flex they should pretend to just move on

from AI they should be like age other

companies are just now getting to AI

we're on

to S aai super Advanced AI here we are

it for our not AI yeah AI Type R do you

think oh my god do you think of Apple at

dub uh mentions Google they'll uh

they'll say gift from

Google do you think the audience will

boo they mention Google that be so funny

if we're there we'll boo okay so uh yeah

I'm going under because I do think that

eventually the terminology AI is going

to just get tired and people are it's

going to be the same as machine learning

big data Internet of Things it's the

same with all of these buzzwords like

everyone uses them for a while so that

the stock price goes up and then

eventually when it's the industry Norm

people just start stop talking we're in

the thick of it now I feel like we're in

the thick of it we're in the thick of it

but I also think last year was

thicker uh I would argue this year's

there's more going on I think it's more

in the public knowledge at least than

last year Apple says it so little that

if this is the first year they say AI

100 times on stage everyone's ships

lifted from that if you're in the AI

boat which is why Google has the chance

to like separate themselves again and be

like we we're Beyond AI we're even

better we're in the

Galaxy speaking of speaking of Galaxy

speaking of Galaxy I'm I'm going over I

think that happens I agree with both of

you that goes next year I'm say I'm

going to say under all right okay

Ellis uh I'm gonna take I'm gonna take

the over

really yes I think they're gonna start

on Pace to be over cuz Sundar is going

to open with a monologue about AI if I

run on stage and yell AI a bunch of

sometimes does that count yes it's they

will have to use it like more than once

a minute every minute of IO I's two

hours exactly which is 120 minutes but

they easily I mean they did that last

year no that's what I'm saying so I'm

I'm I'm taking the dude every 20 seconds

for two hours if they hit the uh I think

there's a chance go back and watch some

of the early minutes of last year's I it

is far greater than every two minutes if

they partner with that Audio company II

does that that count do we get three

there I'm almost expecting some sort of

meme about it at some point where they

just go ai ai ai a i ai ai like just as

like a the Whopper song Whopper Whopper

chicken Whopper yeah I I don't know if

Google would meme it but I I'm I'm going

under hey thanks for watching this clip

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