New Fani Willis Witnesses, and the Power of Drudge, with Aronberg, Davis, Moody, and Weinstein
Summary
TLDR本集中,我们深入探讨了马特·德拉奇(Matt Drudge)这一媒体领域的神秘人物。德拉奇创立了德拉奇报告(Drudge Report),一直以来对保守派媒体和更广泛的新闻界产生了巨大影响。我们讨论了他的早期职业生涯,包括他是如何通过挖掘CBS新闻垃圾桶中的信息而首次崭露头角的,以及他如何首次爆料莫妮卡·刘易斯基(Monica Lewinsky)丑闻,从而彻底改变了媒体报道的方式。此外,我们还探讨了德拉奇与特朗普关系的演变,以及他对媒体影响力的现状。本集还包含了对德拉奇极其隐私和神秘生活方式的探索,包括他的房产销售和对公众几乎完全隐身的选择。
Takeaways
- 😀 克里斯·穆迪和杰米·温斯坦通过他们的新播客《寻找马特·德鲁奇》探讨了媒体人物马特·德鲁奇的神秘生活和他对媒体行业的影响。
- 🔍 马特·德鲁奇因其网站《德鲁奇报告》而知名,该网站对保守派圈子及更广泛的媒体领域产生了巨大影响。
- 🤔 尽管德鲁奇在2016年支持唐纳德·特朗普,但他在2020年的立场发生了转变,原因可能包括对特朗普移民政策的不满和个人原因。
- 🎙️ 通过播客中的访谈,揭示了德鲁奇如何在没有媒体背景的情况下创办了《德鲁奇报告》,以及他是如何成为新闻界的变革者。
- 📰 德鲁奇最著名的报道之一是关于莫妮卡·莱温斯基和比尔·克林顿的丑闻,这一报道将他推向了媒体界的前沿。
- 🕵️♂️ 德鲁奇以其神秘和回避公众视线而闻名,很少公开露面或接受采访。
- 🏠 德鲁奇的住所位置和个人生活仍然是个谜,他以一种极其低调的方式生活。
- 💡 该播客还探讨了德鲁奇对当前新闻行业的持续影响,尽管互联网和社交媒体的兴起改变了信息的传播方式。
- 👀 莫妮卡·莱温斯基最近再次成为新闻焦点,这凸显了德鲁奇早期报道的持久影响。
- 🎩 德鲁奇的独特风格和对新闻的深刻见解使他成为媒体界一个令人着迷但难以捉摸的人物。
Q & A
梅根·凯利在她的节目中讨论了哪个重要的政治事件?
-梅根·凯利在她的节目中讨论了超级星期二和2024年选举年与以往相比的不同,特别强调了乔·拜登总统和前总统唐纳德·特朗普将主导当晚的提名。
梅根·凯利提到了哪些法律案件中的主要更新?
-梅根·凯利提到了几个重大的法律案件更新,包括范尼·威利斯的取消资格案,其中涉及到两名新证人的出现,以及对唐纳德·特朗普试验的影响,还有最高法院的一项决定对特朗普非常有利。
梅根·凯利如何描述马特·德拉奇的影响和神秘性?
-梅根·凯利描述马特·德拉奇是一个非常有影响力但又极度隐私的人物,尽管他的网站“德拉奇报告”仍然运行良好,但人们不确定他是否仍然参与其中。她还提到了他对唐纳德·特朗普态度的变化,从2016年的支持到2020年的转变。
“寻找马特·德拉奇”这个播客是关于什么的?
-“寻找马特·德拉奇”这个播客是关于探索马特·德拉奇的生活、他的网站以及他如何从公众视线中消失的。它还探讨了他对新闻行业的影响以及他的神秘性。
梅根·凯利是如何与马特·德拉奇亲自相遇的?
-梅根·凯利在福克斯新闻的绿色房间遇到了马特·德拉奇,这是她唯一一次亲眼见到他。在他们的对话中,她询问他是如何知道她即将在福克斯新闻的黄金时段担任主持人的消息,德拉奇承诺在将来的某个时候告诉她。
梅根·凯利在讨论莫妮卡·刘易斯基时表达了什么观点?
-梅根·凯利对于莫妮卡·刘易斯基在年轻人中被视为英雄的现象表示不解,强调她因与美国总统发生不适当关系而闻名,并质疑年轻人将其视为女性英雄人物的合理性。
马特·德拉奇对特朗普态度的变化是由什么引起的?
-马特·德拉奇对特朗普态度的变化可能由多种因素引起,包括对特朗普移民政策的不满,特朗普团队对德拉奇的不尊重,以及德拉奇本人对于做出不同于主流的决定的倾向。
梅根·凯利提到了哪些对范尼·威利斯取消资格案的关键更新?
-梅根·凯利提到了范尼·威利斯取消资格案中的关键更新,包括两名新证人的出现,这些证人准备作证反对先前证人特伦斯·布拉德利的陈述,从而可能影响案件的结果。
梅根·凯利在节目中提到了哪些政治策略和后果?
-梅根·凯利在节目中提到了政治策略和后果,包括民主党如何试图通过法律手段而非选举来阻止唐纳德·特朗普再次当选,以及这种策略可能对美国选举和司法系统的合法性造成的影响。
关于马特·德拉奇的播客“寻找马特·德拉奇”有哪些独特的见解和发现?
-“寻找马特·德拉奇”这个播客提供了关于德拉奇如何影响新闻行业、他个人生活的细节、以及他与公众人物如唐纳德·特朗普的关系等独特的见解和发现。此外,它还探讨了德拉奇的隐秘生活和他如何在公众视线中消失。
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💡莫妮卡·莱温斯基
💡新闻聚合
💡隐私与神秘性
💡影响力
💡触发点
💡克林顿丑闻
💡算法与人工编辑
💡重新定义媒体
💡公众形象
Highlights
探讨了Matt Drudge的神秘性,他是如何从一名新闻爱好者成长为影响深远的媒体人物。
解析了Matt Drudge与Donald Trump之间的关系以及Drudge对Trump的态度变化。
揭示了Monica Lewinsky事件是如何使Drudge Report成为重要新闻来源的。
展示了Matt Drudge对新闻行业的持续影响力,尽管互联网的发展已经改变了信息获取的方式。
讨论了新一代如何看待Monica Lewinsky,以及她如何从丑闻中重塑自己的形象。
探索了Matt Drudge生活方式的神秘性,包括他对隐私的极度重视。
揭示了Matt Drudge如何通过手动筛选新闻来对抗算法驱动的新闻消费趋势。
探讨了Drudge Report对政治新闻报道的重要性和其编辑决策的独特性。
分析了Matt Drudge个人品牌的构建以及他如何通过保持神秘感来增加公众对他的兴趣。
讨论了新闻界人士如何视Matt Drudge为新闻报道的先锋,尽管他的工作方式与主流媒体不同。
探索了Matt Drudge对传统新闻机构的挑战以及他如何颠覆新闻报道的规则。
分析了Drudge Report的编辑内容如何反映出Matt Drudge个人的政治和社会观点。
讨论了互联网时代信息即时性的增加对新闻行业的影响,以及Matt Drudge是如何利用这一点的。
揭示了尽管面临新的竞争和挑战,Drudge Report仍能保持其在新闻界的重要地位。
讨论了Matt Drudge如何通过其独特的新闻聚合方式对读者产生长期影响。
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hey everyone I'm Megan Kelly welcome to
the Megan Kelly show and happy super
Tuesday remember that do you guys know
that SNL reference I used to do this on
the air at Fox and Brett Bar be look at
me like what are you doing and then he
like he learned to love super Tuesday ww
it's really not that super it's kind of
super boring uh 2024 a very different
election year from the prior super
Tuesdays we know President Joe Biden and
former president Donald Trump are going
to dominate tonight and they're going to
be the nominees the only thing that's
going to stop them is somehow their own
parties intervening to stop them or you
know the big man upstairs stepping in to
say you won't be around in November God
forbid I'm just saying it's going to
happen these two are the nominees we're
going to let you know officially what
happens um tomorrow but that's not where
the real news is today when it comes to
this presidential race uh instead it is
in the courts and we have major updates
in several of the proceedings including
the fanny Willis disqualification case
in which not one but two two new
Witnesses have just come forward and the
implications for former president Donald
Trump's trial there as well as continued
Fallout in the Supreme Court decision
yesterday which we and others have been
pouring over to figure out just how good
it is for Donald Trump and it turns out
it's even better than we thought uh plus
we've got trial updates now out of New
York
DC and more there are a lot of
maneuverings going on behind the scenes
by the Democrats to make these things
happen faster and of course by team
Trump to slow them down and then by the
media to express outrage in response to
any Trump win but then you knew that
joining me now to kick things off today
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um we'll get to Fanny and a will Fanny
in a Willis Fanny in a minute but I want
to start with the Supreme Court decision
yesterday
uh 9 to Z that Trump um should stay on
the ballot in Colorado and this will
affect him in all the states anybody
trying to kick him off is going to have
to deal with this but as it turns out
there was more in the decision and it it
just broken when we went to air
yesterday then we really knew and um
I'll I'll paraphrase it from Andy
McCarthy's National Review piece where
he said okay it's for sure they held
that states are not empowered by the
14th Amendment to remove alleged
insurrectionists from the ballot that is
clear all nine agreed on that states
can't do it can't have the patchwork of
Colorado finding differently than you
know Georgia Florida Etc and then five
of the justices went on to say the only
conservative who didn't join in this is
Amy Cony
Barrett that this insurrectionist piece
of the the 14th amendment can only be
enforced against someone who's been
convicted of an Insurrection who has
been convicted of an Insurrection and
that is the piece that drove the three
liberals nuts so they wrote their own
decision soda mayor Kagan and katangi
brown Jackson saying you went too far I
read this to the audience yesterday
there was no reason to get to that you
shouldn't have gotten to that and the
reason they're so mad about it Mike is
that what this does is it makes it
impossible for congress really at any
point at any time that's going to affect
Trump to invoke this Clause against him
again because the the majority of the
Supreme Court said this piece of the
Constitution the 14th Amendment saying
you can't run if you if you're an
insurrectionist can only be enforced
against someone convicted of an
Insurrection and Trump hasn't been
convicted he was impeached for things in
the in the house he wasn't found guilty
in the Senate he hasn't been indicted
for Insurrection
anywhere and so this really was even
better for Trump than uh at least we
first thought when we looked at it
yesterday what do you make of it well
the Supreme Court's exactly right and
they're following a predent from more
than 150 years AG ago called the
Griffin's case and it was it's not a
controlling presedent it's a persuasive
presedent where were then chief Justice
salmon Chase uh writing circuit as a
circuit uh judge not a Supreme Court
Justice uh decided the case uh where it
was uh the these exact patterns where
someone was uh they were trying to
disqualify a Confederate who engaged at
Insurrection or rebellion and uh Salman
Chase said no in order to do this
Congress has to pass a Federal Criminal
statute for Insurrection or Rebellion
with a disqualification clause which
which Congress promptly did and it's on
the books now the utmost updated version
was
1948 and it's still in the books and if
Jack Smith or the Democrats want to get
rid of trump if they if they they if
they fear American voters and they don't
want American voters to decide the
election on November 5th 2024 then Jack
SMI Smith better get moving he better
charge Trump with Insurrection under
this statute he better get a federal
jury grand jury to indict a federal jury
to find guilt guilt unanimously with
evidence Beyond a re Reasonable Doubt a
federal judge to convict and that
conviction upheld on appeal that's the
only way you can disqualify under
section three of the 14th Amendment you
have to ask yourself this the January 6
Democrats and the Biden justice
department have spent tens of millions
of dollars hunting for Insurrection
evidence on Trump and they charge Trump
with many other things but they couldn't
charge Trump with Insurrection because
the evidence doesn't exist how many
insurrectionist go unarmed and into into
a nation's capital get to the senate
floor of the nation's capital and walk
through velvet ropes follow police
Direction uh take selfies and don't burn
down the damn place January 6th was a
lawful protest permitted by the National
Park Service that devolved into a riot
period full stop and what what um what
Andy says Dave is that this means that
Congressional Democrats would not be
able to on the next January 6th of 2025
right after we've had the election you
know that was the day they certified the
vote Mike Pence counted the votes they
would not be able to refuse to ratify a
trump Victory on the grounds that he is
an insurrectionist the Supreme Court
just took that away from them and this
is one of the many reasons why some on
the left are very angry at the Supreme
Court for this decision and in
particular for that additional step the
five conservatives
took well first off goodby with you
Megan it's nice to see Mike so happy for
once I can see why he's got two he's got
two really good Supreme Court decisions
uh under his belt plus good polling
numbers so congrats Mike this is your
house on period and uh
I I I tell my Democratic friends this is
what you get when you listen to Susan
sandon for your political advice and end
up voting for Jill Stein you get a
supreme court that doesn't know the idea
of judicial restraint so instead of just
ruling on the issue in front of them
they went further and the one thing I
would disagree with Megan is and I have
a lot of respect for judge McCarthy but
I didn't see that in the opinion where
you have to have a conviction for
Insurrection before you can bounce
someone from the B and I I read this and
the uh and the concurring opinions and
here here's what uh how I interpret it
is that what the Supreme Court said is
that only Congress can uh enforce
section three of the 14th Amendment now
there's nothing in section five that
says it's exclusive to Congress but the
Supreme Court said only Congress so if
that means that there is someone who did
engage in Insurrection and was convicted
of insurrection that State uh States
cannot bounce that person off the ballot
only Congress can establish a mechanism
and if Congress doesn't establish a
mechanism then tough luck plus well wait
let me just let me just answer that
you're right I mean I simplified it for
the audience but what Andy is saying is
that right now the only existing statute
that could be used is the penal law
against Insurrection that's that's the
only law in the books right now that
could be used and Trump has not been
charged as an insurrectionist so yes I
going forward sure they could change the
law but you tell me how in a republican
controlled house and we all remember
School holl Rock it's got to go through
the house and the Senate and be signed
by the president to become a law they're
going to change the law between now and
November oh there is a less than zero
percent chance they're going to do that
there is not going to be a change
Congress is not going to act Congress is
going to do what they're best at which
is do nothing so what this court
decision did was to also tell federal
courts that you don't have the power to
disqualify a federal candidate from
office because of insurrection even if
they're convicted of an Insurrection
it's going to be up to Congress to
create a mechanism to do that and so
that takes the power away from State
officials and judges until Congress acts
so that's why it was such a broad ruling
such a powerful ruling by these juses
and why even Justice Amy Cony Barrett
said hey let's not go this far let's use
some judicial restraint but Katie Bar
the Door Mike's shaking his head no why
well I would say I think David is right
that you can have a component to this
because the predecessor to this criminal
statute on Insurrection or Rebellion
there was a civil statute so it could be
either civil set up by Congress or
criminal so that's uh you know that well
according to the Griffins case it has to
be criminal but there was a civil
component to this um so you know that's
he he could be he could be right there I
would say this on could Congress right
now could Federal prosecutors right now
get rid of people who engaged in
Insurrection and the answer is yes they
would have to be charged those
insurrectionists would have to be
charged under this Federal Criminal
statute for Insurrection or Rebellion
with a disqualification Clause that's
already on the books Congress wouldn't
have to do anything new it's just the
the Biden justice department would
actually have to come up with evidence
of insurrectional rebellion well like
Mike like take take for example some of
those j6 defendants who actually were
charged with Insurrection and found
guilty I don't know if they were charged
with Insurrection I think they were
charged with seditious conspir which is
oh right you're right you're right
you're right so that wouldn't do it so
but if you were to have a January 6th uh
defendant charged with Insurrection and
convicted of insurrection the Supreme
Court has basically said those people
are not going to be
president
correct so you know Dave maybe if you go
after hornman or lecturn guy uh my two
favorites for president uh you know you
could you could take them out with that
statute well Megan Mike Mike is right
that no one has been charged with
Insurrection they've been charged with
sistic conspiracy which is different but
now correct if I'm wrong Mike I the
statute that says that Insurrection is a
crime contains a section that says you
cannot run again I thought that was what
was in the 14th Amendment section three
the statute actually prohibits you from
running again if you violate stat on the
the definely lost my audience just give
me the bottom line without doing
in-depth statutory analysis I mean so if
if you want to disqualify for
Insurrection or Rebellion there is a
statute on the books a Federal Criminal
statute on the books right now the
latest version is was 1948 it's been on
the books for a long time you charge
under Insurrection or rebellion and
there is a disqualification provision in
that statute so if you're convicted of
insurrection or Rebellion under that
statute you are
disqualified okay but that hasn't
happened to Donald Trump that's the
operative point and while they could
change the law going forward there's
zero chance that this house controlled
by the Republicans is going to be on
board with that so for now Trump is
protected and not just for now I mean
all the way through the election and
potentially you know up to January 6th
um when you know he's he's if he wins
he's going to have the vote certified
and so on all right so that's a very
good thing for Donald Trump and it's
very bad for people like Michael ludig
Lawrence tribe who I mean since this
idea came up and ludig was one of the
ones who did it he was you know I mean I
think it's fair to say he's a respected
appell at court judge um but this is a
cockamamy idea and he was put it's not
like you see Michael luded all over
cable news on a normal basis but he was
a star on cable news Lawrence tribe he's
been been on MSM he's a very hardcore
anti-trump guy um but here's just a
flashback of some of the media and the
experts embracing this wonderful idea
which as I point out while they were
split on just how far they went nine out
of nine did say states are not empowered
by the 14th Amendment to remove alleged
insurrectionists from the ballot watch
this in S8 Colorado is executing its
state rights to decide who should be on
their own ballot grounded in the
Constitutions that language uh in the
Constitution Jim simply could not be any
clearer this is a slam dunk the former
president is not eligible to be
president again Trump incited and
therefore engaged in an armed
Insurrection against the Constitutions
Trump is indeed ineligible to be
president Donald Trump engaged in an
Insurrection against the Constitution
Donald Trump cannot be president for
under the Constitution he cannot be our
president again that engaging an
Insurrection has disqualified himself
from holding any future Federal office
will the Supreme Court agree with
themselves we're confident the Supreme
Court will reject that
claim or not that was courtesy of the
Washington Free Beacon but they're for
our audience both guys are
laughing both lawyers are laughing it is
kind of funny I mean look we'll see
whether those experts now go back in and
say gee even my side ruled against me on
the critical point I mean Dave it was a
resounding
defeat Yeah Boy the hazard of videotape
you know that it looks like me look like
me when I said that the Supreme Court
would deny C in the absolute immunity
case you know so I've been
there it's just there's no getting
around and and that's that's because it
really was kakami I mean it was a real
reach and I forget whether what I found
I remember looking into ludig he's I
think he's more right leaning but he's a
never Trumper he's a never Trumper you
have to when you look at the
conservative leanings of these judges
Mike you have to figure out okay it's
not not enough just to say they're
conservative and therefore I need to
take them seriously on an anti-trump
move you do have to figure out One Step
Beyond that and I'm sorry to make it all
B boil down to politics but I mean in
this case it
does yeah so judge Michael ludik is a
total goofball they he lost his mind
when he got passed over for the Supreme
Court by George W bush I was in the
White House at the time he got mad he
resigned from the bench and he's just
been a bitter washed up loser for years
and years and
years raising his all right go ahead
here I am defending the Federalist
Society Ultra conservative uh judge
judge ludik look here here's the thing
this wasn't a complete victory for Trump
at the Supreme Court in that they did
not address the issue that Trump wanted
them to address which is whether or not
he engaged in Insurrection they left
that to the lower courts and by doing
that the finding from the lower courts
is that Trump did did engage in
Insurrection so where ludic and others
are coming from is that if you did
engage in Insurrection the plain meaning
of the text of the 14th Amendment
section three says you are disqualified
for running for office so that's where
they came from but the Supreme Court
decided to abandon their textualist
Roots originalist roots and decide to
rule um on principles of federalism and
just common sense that we don't want 50
states to go in 50 different directions
there would be chaos all right here's a
little sample of that Point not to lump
you in with these people Dave uh from
reacting to this decision this is per uh
given to us by the media Research Center
saw three watch this is actually what I
had been concerned about I had been
concerned that it should it go to the
Supreme Court they would rule this way
I'd laugh if it weren't so sad my next
guest says Donald Trump is still an oath
breaking insurrectionist the court
itself may have overstepped the court
went way further than it needed to go
our colleague Melissa Murray has called
this Supreme Court the YOLO Court the
criticism of the court is that they're
playing interference not since Bush Vore
we've seen a court is had this many
opportunities to interfere in the
election the headline here is this that
this is a unanimous ruling but if you
scratch the surface just a little this
is a 5 to four ruling I'm part of it
this is actually a 5 to4 decision it's 5
to four Trump will take this spin it
spread the misinformation disinformation
on it you can't save a people from
themselves whatever happened to Larry
sabido remember him Mike Davis back in
the fox days he was like a normal
pollster that you could rely on for down
the-middle analysis now he's gone
hardcore never Trump um but look I
understand the five4 argument for the
reasons that we kicked the show off with
but on the core point it was 90 and I
wonder whether these same people are
going to be so disgusted with the court
and ready to dismantle it after the
court is likely Dave to rule against
Trump and his claims that everything he
did in office is immune from prosecution
when we get that decision in May or
June they're going to rule against him
on that but they're going to drag their
feet and that will infuriate my
colleagues and I understand that because
if they continue to delay this matter
the trial in DC may not ever happen so
that's what they most about what are you
saying that the only people who dragged
their feet were Jack Smith and the
justice department
as soon as that they filed the charges
Trump started to challenge it legally
now it's gone up Supreme Court took it
they could have kicked it to next fall
they didn't have to put it on this term
but they took it on this term they're
not dragging anything well compared to
what they did here in the Colorado case
Megan where they expedited matters to
give this Trump a decision within weeks
to make sure it was done before super
Tuesday where they even issued an
opinion on a Monday which was so rare
and then you compare it to intervening
in Jack Smith's case where they first
said no we're not going to intervene in
December no no no we're not going to get
in and and bigot because Jack was trying
to skip the DC Circuit Court of Appeals
that's the only reason they said not yet
they said you you got out a turn you got
to go to the middle guys before you come
to us which Mike every Supreme Court
would most likely prefer because then
you get a whole decision with reasoning
from the lower court that you get to
kick off the argument with it wasn't
unusual at all for the court to say slow
down now you going back you do it before
this court of appeals and then you come
to
us well yeah I mean of course they have
to decide this Colorado disqualification
case as quickly as they can because
these states need to print ballots right
and they need to print ballots and
figure out whether Trump is going to be
on the ballots or not going to be on the
ballot on this presidential immunity
they are deciding this case in like
warped speed they did they they sent
this case for oral argument in April
they're not allowing Trump to see on Bon
review with the DC circuit they're not
waiting until to to tier oral argument
in this case next fall or even next
winter as they should that would be the
normal course they're very much
Expediting this and there's no need for
them to expedite this because it's not
relevant to the election whether Trump
is on the ballot is relevant to the
election whether Trump the Colorado
election
today yes I mean look I I would say this
about presidential immunity I know you
guys both disagree with me on this but I
seem to have a track record on this the
Supreme Court is going to find that the
president any president is immune from
Criminal prosecution for his official
acts then the Supreme Court is going to
remand this case to DC Obama judge Tanya
Shuan to hold an evidentiary hearing on
what Trump did allegedly did on on
January 6 that was in his official acts
like you know he was going to fire his
acting attorney general that sounds
pretty presidential to me versus in his
personal capacity and then once they
decide that Trump can appeal that again
because you're dealing with immunity and
so the bottom line is is that there's no
chance this case is going to go to trial
before the election and I would say to
these Democrats boohoo you're going to
actually have to uh vote for the
president of the United States on
November 5th 2024 the oldfashioned way
instead of having your leftwing judges
remove him from The Ballot or throw him
in prison here's um take a listen to Jim
aosta on CNN talking about
how sad this is and how
Trump gets files all these appeals
delays everything like not like a normal
person even though everybody in the
United States who gets convicted or sued
civil and loses has the opportunity to
file an appeal which Jim aosta he should
familiarize himself with a lovely
service known as Google or or any of its
competitors which we're moving to now um
because this is not a special Trump
thing this is called being an American
thing watch this and Jim what do you say
to all those Americans out there who are
watching this who are frustrated and say
you know Trump is getting away with uh
breaking the law that he files appeal
after appeal he tries to delay every
proceeding that's brought against him in
a way that is just just goes against
what our Judicial System should be about
I mean isn't he treated differently than
just about everybody else in this
country I mean just about anybody else
would not have the the ability to appeal
things until uh Kingdom
Come well actually they do have the
ability to do that that's part of our
justice system but for all practical
purposes it doesn't that doesn't happen
I mean the vast majority of defendants
out there don't have the don't have the
resources to drag everything out and
Ting different cases across the
country what
Mike I mean have they has he heard of
public defenders I mean if I mean I used
to I used to clerk for judge Gorsuch on
the 10 circuit I used to CL C for
justice Gorsuch on the Supreme Court we
heard appeal after appeal after appeal
from rapists and murderers and
carjackers and these same same Democrats
who bemon that you know Trump's not
above the law they want Trump to be
below the law they want him to not have
any rights they just want to throw him
in prison and bankrupt him and take him
off the ballots after they impeached him
twice for nonsense because they fear
American V why do Democrats fear
American voters why do they not want
American voters to have a choice on
November 5th
2024 I'll tell you why Keith oberman's
gonna explain it to you I know you were
waiting to hear from him here you
go of course I'm respectable says John
Houston as no across in the movie
Chinatown to Jack Nicholson as Jake
giddis I'm old politicians ugly
buildings and all get respectable
if they last long
enough and then there is what happens
when you are all three of those things
as the Supreme Court is all three of
those things politicians pretending to
be justices working in an ugly building
and As Trump relied upon and yesterday
was proven correct they are all
and I have lots to say about the
Supreme and what they have done
and what they might yet do which impr
probably enough includes making Joe
Biden into an instant American King yet
they are not the lead Story the evidence
is mounting that what Donald Trump is
suffering from is something
called fluent
Aphasia there are 2 million Americans
with Aphasia a kind of catchall for a
series of communication disorders and
obviously this is a Layman asserting
this I could be wildly
wrong yes some self-awareness at the end
I'll give you the first crack on that
one Mike because I see you
laughing well I would say this I I take
offense to what he said about I did I
you know everything else he said was
fine but he said the Supreme Court
building was ugly and I just I take
great offense to that because I think
the Supreme Court building is beautiful
I agree agree with you we can all agree
on that I know it's absolutely beautiful
and the actual courtroom in which the
justices sit is magnificent has a bunch
of history and I who knows whether Keith
Overman actually ever dragged himself
out of his cave to go over and behold
the Majesty that is the Supreme Court
building but whatever he's just fun he's
just fun to listen to I I'm not going to
lie I'm kind of glad he's in the
National conversation just because he's
entertaining but literally nothing he
says is right I mean it's it's either
offensive or wrong or both which is why
we go to him a fair amount okay so it's
done the insurrectionist thing is over
um and there's plenty more to discuss on
the legal front all right now that
brings me to I'm going to figure figure
out what I want to do next okay January
6th that's the underlying case with
judge chken this is actually getting
very interesting so her entire
proceeding is delayed it's
frozen while scotus in a separate matter
that we made a reference to tries to
decide whether Trump is immune to that
prosecution entirely so it's frozen she
can't do anything on it and Politico
comes out with an article called
entitled The Enormous pressures about to
land on Judge Tanya
chuin and in this
piece the author makes a reference to
the fact that Jack Smith who's both
pursuing the January 6th federal case
against Trump and the maralago documents
case against Trump in Dave's
jurisdiction had uh an appearance before
the Florida judge in the maral Lago case
recently and said to that judge aen
Cannon there are no doj policies that
prevent cases that have already been
charged from going to trial in the runup
to the election even if the defendant is
on the ballot all right not withstanding
this you know supposed doj policy that
they would not do anything to interfere
with an election within 60 days of the
election they wouldn't charge a
candidate they wouldn't do anything like
that cuz they don't want to influence
the vote um now there saying to judge
Canon um we we're actually not going to
follow that in in this case it doesn't
apply because we charged him well before
and so now there's real speculation
about whether judge
chuin should go ahead with his trial as
soon as the US Supreme Court gives it
any sort of a green light should rush it
to trial in fact and the suggestion is
that she could hold the trial only 3 to
four days a week leaving Trump the
remainder to travel the country in
campaign hold the trial on alternating
weeks allowing Trump to campaign in the
weeks in between his criminal trial in
DC hold halfday trial days leaving Trump
the remainder of the day to travel to
closer States right around Washington DC
and to Camp campaign nationally through
his media
appearances uh and then the writer goes
on and Kush cardor to say you know what
the trial also does not need to even end
before November though that's far from
ideal they can keep this thing
rolling and potentially you could get
him
convicted even after he
wins and then he could be I guess kicked
out not certified I don't know what the
end plan would be if they got his
conviction between November and January
but my Takeaway on this I am coming back
to you Dave but let me just give this
one to Mike first too is that these
Democrats will stop at nothing he can
campaign in the afternoon in the states
around Washington DC in October
2024 yeah remember they waited 30 months
30 months to bring these charges and
these are coordinated charges with the
Biden White House and the Biden justice
department I've given you specific names
in each one of these cases where they're
specifically coordinating yet Nathan
Wade for example billing his time to
meet with the Biden White House and the
Biden White House Council right yet had
mat Matthew Colangelo going from the
Biden justice department the number
three office to Alvin Bragg's office to
bring the first indictment ever against
a former president and a likely future
president uh you had Jonathan Sue
Biden's Deputy White House counsel wave
Trump's claim of executive a privilege
uh on behalf of President Biden so you
have Biden's fingerprints on all four of
these things you had Biden going out
there leaking that Garland was acting
like a professor instead of an attorney
general and so then Garland moved
forward and we have these four
coordinated indictments and criminal
charges against Trump and they've timed
these trials back to back to back right
during the 2024 presidential election
season and Jack Smith will probably uh
convince DC Obama judge T shuckin that
he can do this uh maybe he'll convince
judge Canon but here's the deal the the
legitimacy of the judicial system is on
the line when the American people start
paying attention and they see President
Trump in a courtroom for these bogus
charges instead of on the campaign Trail
this is not going to go well with the
American people and when when when the
justice system loses its legitimacy with
half of the American people they're
going to lose a lot of their funding I
mean Dave if this is the
Democrats campaign strategy this is the
thing that Biden thinks will win him the
election that as again quoting here from
Andy who's making a reference to Adam
lipac of the New York Times outlining
outlining the possible plan a felony
trial of trump on the January 6 charges
before a hostile Washington jury pool
and an unfriendly obama-appointed judge
beginning after Labor Day running
through election day that is the Biden
campaign
strategy it's
outrageous it could work I guess I don't
do we have a judge in chut in judge
chuin who would go along with
this Megan there is absolutely no
evidence that Joe Biden has been pulling
the strings on any of this stuff
remember he and I would agree is
frustrated with Merrick Garland because
Merrick Garland the one thing I'll agree
with what Mike said is that he slow
walked a lot of this stuff he is timid
and I don't think he was the right pick
for attorney general but he finally
appointed a special prosecutor and then
it was on remember this is the same
attorney general who's Prosecuting Joe
Biden's son the same guy who let Robert
her become the special counsel and then
release this report bashing Joe Biden's
mental acuity and as far as the
Department of Justice and this 60-day
rule there has never been a rule that
says you cannot try case before the
election just ask Senator well he's not
around anymore Senator Ted Stevens of
Alaska he had a trial uh for his U fraud
claims his uh his criminal activity in
late September of the Year where he was
up for re-election in fact the jury gave
a guilty verdict a week before election
day so this has happened before it's not
a surprise it's happening now and if
anything I I gotta tell you I think the
Supreme Court was dragging its feet I
know we've talked about this and one
other thing about that they didn't have
to intervene in this matter they didn't
have to wait two weeks to then say yeah
we're going to get involved and then
when they did so even after they granted
Ser they didn't have to issue a stay and
then they could have had the oral
argument like now like in March it's all
teed up you don't have to wait till the
end of April so I I look at it from a
different perspective not only is there
no coordination between Biden and the
prosecutors here but it looks like the
Supreme Court has been intentionally
dragging its feet to make sure Justice
is not served before the election and
voters don't get the information they
need to make a rational Choice I'm going
to I'm going to have to bust out my
mother's cupboard again aren't I Dave
lack of planning on your part does not
justify an emergency on my part she used
to whip that thing open whenever I'd be
like Mom I need you to pick up my school
report and bring it I forgot it no it's
they drag their feet now it's not up to
the Supreme Court to suddenly have to go
faster than that aircraft carrier
normally goes it's just not how things
work there but I will say Mike was
nodding his head yes whether judge
shutkin could actually help them engage
in this strategy on j6 but here's here's
the thing I want to get back to Andy's
saying Mike the doj pointing out even if
Trump wins in
November and and Mike Davis is his AG
elect right is the one that he's going
to appoint you will not be in power
until January 20th
2025 and he writes remember a president
El is in no position to dismiss anything
there may be more than enough time
between September and January to get
Trump not only convicted but sentenced
Jack Smith is banking on at least the
former the conviction and he'll push for
the latter too if it's remotely
attainable my God so that he's POS I
hadn't even considered this scenario
Mike where Trump where they do press
forward on j6 trial before judge chuin
after the Supreme Court rules if they
allow this case to go forward in any way
and I realize the whole heart of that
case may get gutted by another case that
they're about to hear Fisher that's
another
matter that they might put pedal to the
metal make him do the half days or the
four days a week what have you he wins
the election and between November 5th
and
January they get a conviction and
sentence him to prison said what happens
then does anyone have any idea what
happens then and that's that's why this
Jack Smith is a scud missile that the
Democrats send in and he is so reckless
remember he was overturned nine to
nothing when he brought his bogus
corruption charges against former
Virginia governor Bob McDonald a likely
presidential or vice presidential
candidate and in 2016 he was able to win
his conviction and Destroy Bob
McDonald's political life and personal
life and then the Supreme Court 8 to
nothing reversed him in 2016 it would
have been nine to nothing but Justice
Kalia passed away right but that's
exactly who Jack Smith was he got
banished to the heg because he's he is a
partisan buffoon prosecutor and then
garlands brought him back as the scud
missile to take out president Trump
before the election this is all about
election interference they're not even
hyp it anymore it's very blatant that
what they're doing is they're trying to
interfere in the election they don't
care what the American people want they
fear American voters and so they're
trying to bankrupt disqualify from the
bout and put Trump in prison because
they don't want the American people to
put Trump back in the White House okay
Dave do I mean I think the answer to my
question is we don't know right it's
truly unprecedented to have a an elected
pre a president elect get convicted of a
felony and be sentenced to jail after
he's been elected but before he's been
sworn in like I don't think we know
we're on unchartered grounds here are we
not agreed we don't know and I get asked
that question all the time you can run
for president from prison you could
technically serve as president from
prison what would be interesting if he
is convicted and then he takes office I
assume there would be a stay I assume
there'd be an appeal and he his sentence
would be stayed and then he would go
into the White House and then nothing
would happen until after he's out I
think that's why he's running for he can
pardon himself right once he's sworn in
he can pardon himself well it's not
clear whether that would stick he can
try he could also resign temporarily
under I forgot which Mike can help me
which amendment where the vice president
takes over briefly and then par which
one is it Mike 25th there you go 25th so
uh that could happen but you know the
reason why Donald Trump is running for
president is because he realizes this is
the best way to escape all the legal
liability swirling over his head and it
may just
work it so far it is working all right
so there's there are other development
still going some crazy ones out of New
York too I'm going to take a quick break
and come back the legal news today is
actually really interesting we haven't
even gotten to Fanny we have to ask if
our guys can stay just a little later uh
we'll do that during the break Mike and
Dave stay with
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now one final point that um we raised
the other day Andy raised it to in this
in this piece and I thought it was
important in the Florida Case by you
Dave
um they went in there both sides and
said okay how about a summer trial date
um the prosecution said we want July or
I think July 8th and team Trump said
said no that's too soon but we could do
August
12th and no one really thinks that case
is going to go off on August 12th but
the the thinking is that what he was
doing there was getting a placeholder on
that case so that judge chuin over in DC
and all the Peril I just described there
can't go anytime soon because they're
not going to make Trump sit for
simultaneous criminal trials so one is
going to have to go before another so
team Trump appears to have thought okay
better to have that one on the calendar
than judge shutkin let's keep her at
arms length but Annie makes the point
that well the downside to this is
Trump's lawyers have now undermined
their credibility to argue to judge
chuin that the Biden Department of
Justice must not be allowed to subject
Trump to a criminal trial during the
campaign stretch run so how could that
manifest the judge judge Canon and maral
Lago would say you know what we're not
doing it on August 12th I know that was
we had a placeholder but too much to go
through so no and then suddenly this big
beautiful window of time opens up and
judge chuin says I'm back from my
european vacation and I would love to do
it and at that point is he saying like
Trump would be inable to ARG unable to
argue oh but it's not fair because he
already agreed to in another
jurisdiction it hurts his argument but
Trump said that they can't do it before
the election and then he was pushed by
judge C to said give us a date you got
to give us a date so then they said okay
August 12th for the reasons that you and
Andy have mentioned they thought it
would block judge chuin future uh
calendar but it is correct that now they
can use that against him but when it
comes to judge Canon it won't matter
that case is not happening before the
election judge canet is going to give
into Trump's demands to delay it where
it could come into play is yes with
judge Chuck and when Trump says we can't
do it before right before the election
then judge shuckin says Ah you gave them
August so that is a real possibility and
yes she has said she's going to ditch
her European Vacation to come back and
try this case so kudos to her sure
she's like this is vacation for me this
is this is the happiest place on Earth
not
Disneyland okay let's jump to New York
for a minute there are big updates today
on Fanny I'm going to save it to the top
of the hour
um via ktie Fang of Ms uh Donald Trump
has until later this week to post a
9163 million bond to stay the execution
of egene Carroll's judgment against him
this is the civil case for first it was
sexual assault and then the big judgment
for was for him allegedly defaming her
and um Newsweek says of course in New
York a a person must pay a court cash
bond that amounts to 110% of the
judgment to appeal the ruling of a civil
case that's why it's more than the 83
million that was ordered so he has to
pay $91 million and bond to stay the
execution of that civil judgment against
him as he tries to appeal this on Monday
judge Lewis Kaplan said he would not
reach a decision on Trump's motion to
stay the execution of this judgment but
he will render a decision soon so Mike
what does this mean is Trump going to
have to post this bond for 91 million
and is he then going to have to post the
bond for the half a billion doll
judgment that's been handed down against
him in the corporate fraud case against
The Smiling judge
angaran I mean that's the problem I mean
so what is is Trump going to have to
liquidate assets to pay the bonds on
these bogus judgments up in New York I
mean they changed the law in New York
for this this Nut Job Jean Carroll's
bogus claims against Trump I don't have
any money Jean carolon go ahead and try
to say she's gonna sue you she's g go go
go ahead go ahead sweetheart uh but you
know here's the deal I mean Trump's
going to have to liquidate his assets
he's going to have to post these bonds
or they're going to go in and what like
take over his buildings and do fire
sales this is the again this is part of
the Democrat laware they're doing this
on many fronts they're doing this on the
disqualification front the impeachment
front the four criminal indictments
they're trying to bankrupt him for nonf
fraud they're trying to go after him for
$100 million but genan Carol this is
laware and election interference and
Democrats may be gleeful about this
right now but they're not going to be
very gleeful When Donald Trump
essentially runs over their puppy with a
lawnmower on November 5th 2024 and he
wents back to White House what an image
that's a terrible image terrible image
Dave I really am interested in this
because when he tried to get the New
York appeals court to reduce the amount
of bond he had to post in that half a
billion dollar judgment against him the
judge said no now he's trying to get a
larger panel of the appell court to
reconsider this um arguing that it's an
excessive fine under the eth amendment
which prohibits cruel and unusual but
also excessive fines and so far these
judges are all saying no no no post the
bond the one judge said you can the on
the 500 million they said we let you go
get loans all right if you if you want
loans you can go get loans because
originally that crazy judge Enron said
you can't even get a loan for this from
any bank that even does business in New
York which rules out every Bank in the
world and so they said all right you can
you can get a loan but what's going to
happen because there's like a Wall
Street Journal piece today really
talking about how Leticia James is
threatening to seize his properties and
while that's really not the state's
first choice because they don't know how
to run buildings or sell
buildings um that what what else can
they do that's that's their threat and
if he doesn't post the bond that that
would have to be their next
move right I do think he'll get loan to
pay off the bonds but you're you're
correct Megan this is a real threat to
Donald Trump and he takes this very
personally when you go after his
finances but this is where his own
rhetoric hurts him because when he says
how rich he is and he has way more money
than people know yeah the courts use
that against him so a lot of this is his
own he GNA get the loans but how is he
gonna get the loans because I understand
he's got some money but if you're a bank
and you see how leveraged he is right
now to the tune of over a half a billion
and I can see you not wanting to loan
anything to Donald Trump my own fear is
like the Saudis are going to be like hey
we'll do it and then he owes the Saudis
which we don't want in our future
president that is a real concern that's
something Megan that I think we can all
agree on we do not want that now Trump
does have an asset that could be blowing
up financially which is the true social
where he could be aligned for a couple
billion dollars so he could put that up
as collateral so that's something
something that he could use to get a
loan all right that's better um Mike do
you am I wrong to fear like China coming
in and saying we can cover the the 500
uh million bucks here you go yeah I mean
it would be very bad to have a president
of the United States corrupted and
compromised by Foreign loans and
payments you know from China from
Ukraine from Russia from Kazakhstan from
Romania every other trouble spot around
the world I mean I'd hate to see a
president of the United states where his
family members take any money from these
foreign countries oh wait how about the
bidens and the Biden crime
family okay this would dwarf that on a
massive scale but I'm against it just I
want to go on record and say I'm against
it for Biden I'm against it for Donald
Trump too I really hope this doesn't
happen but this is kind of the position
he's being placed in I mean what would
you do if you were Donald Trump would
you sell Trump Tower so Leticia James
could get it just to give to these
Democrats in Albany who are busy taxing
us to our eyeballs there's no victim
who's going to get this money uh all
right standby Fanny's next and there's
two new Witnesses in the case don't go
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free and before we get to Fanny Willis
I've got to tell you this has been
reminding me of something I've made this
reference before it's one of my favorite
movies and it should be one of
everyone's favorite movies this Keith
Overman little rap that he did to day on
the Supreme Court and that he did last
week on the Supreme Court remember here
it
is the conservatives on the Supreme
Court are Trump's chief justice
Roberts is a trump and he can burn
in hell and Justice Alo is a trump
and he can burn in hell and Justice
Gorsuch is a self-contradicting trump
and he can burn in hell and
Justice Kavanaugh is a drunken abuser
Trump and he can burn in hell and
Justice Barrett is a hand made Trump
and she can burn in
hell reminds me of Tommy Boy Stand By
and that's when the come in here
we
go God bless Chris Farley God bless
Chris Farley we can all agree on that
he's obsessed the man's obsessed I'm
just telling you there's some sort of a
revelation in his constant focus on
hores I'm just going to put it out there
there's some some sort of a revelation I
leave it to the AUD to figure out what
that is okay on to Fanny Willis where
there is new news um not one but two
witnesses have now come forward to
various defendants saying that they
would like to and are ready to testify
they are both saying shocker Terrence
Bradley is full of BS the lawyer who
once represented Nathan W for a short
time and was Nathan Wade's friend and
when he took the stand not withstanding
all of his admissions to uh attorney
Ashley Merchant before he got to the
stand about yes I know when it happened
it was long before they said they were
lovers it happened when she left um the
DA's office as a junior person and
became a judge in 2019 and then he gets
on the stand doesn't remember anything
two other people are like he talked to
me like that too he told me all the same
Secrets he told Ashley Merchant and went
on and on and had great details so it
wasn't just the texts to Ashley all
right number one is a woman named Cindy
Lee Jagger who is not just some Rando
Cindy Lee jger is currently the co-chief
deputy da for Cobb County the
neighboring County this is fton County
for Fanny but you know kind of next door
this is the co-chief Deputy da so this
person also has an obligation of cander
for the court to the court and she is
apparently ready to take the stand if
the judge because he's still considering
whether he will reopen the evidence or
whether he even needs to reopen the
evidence uh and she says from August of
23 through January of 24 all right so
basically this past fall that's the same
time Ashley Merchant was talking to
Terence Bradley that she had numerous
conversations with Bradley as well in
which he was talking about his favorite
subject Willis and Wade in their romance
according to the filing he told Miss
Jagger that relationship began see if
this sounds familiar guys around the
time that Willis and Wade met at a
Judicial conference in 2019 Wade quote
had def definitively begun a romantic
relationship with Miss Willis during the
time that Miss Willis was running for da
which was 2019 to 2020 Mr Bradley stated
that he had personal knowledge of this
relationship and included details
regarding Mr Wade's use of Robin or Miss
Willis's use of Robin UTI's apartment
and other meetings between the two of
them prior to November of 2021 which is
when he filed for divorce and got hired
by Fanny
um Mr Bradley told Cindy Lee jger She
alleges again this is an officer of the
Court saying this that Mr Wade
personally prepared his own divorce
complaint against his spouse and told
Terrence Bradley you just sign the
divorce filings and file them suggesting
that the actual attorney client
relationship did not begin until around
November of
2021 and not back in 18 as Terrence
Bradley testified and they say based
upon these statements it is M jager's
understanding that Mr Bradley did not
begin representing Mr Wade until
November of
2021 all right
now just going to give you the second
thing this happened this morning moments
ago another person has come forward
another officer of the Court his name is
attorney Manny Aurora former Adjunct
professor at Georgia State School of
Law apparently he's a friend of Terrence
Bradley's Terrence Bradley he talked a
lot he spoke to Terrence Bradley says
Manny and um he's willing to testify
that Terrence Bradley same time period
September October 2023 this past fall
regarding the relationship between
Willis and Wade Aurora claims that
Terrence Bradley told him the
relationship began when Willis was
running for da in 2019 through 2020 that
Bradley had personal knowledge of the
relationship including details regarding
the use of Robin Yu's apartment that's
EX exactly what the other one said
personal knowledge including the use of
Robin y's apartment and he adds that Mr
Wade this is what this guy learned from
Terence Bradley had a garage door opener
to the property this rang a bell with us
because Ashley Merchant I think was also
told this by Terence Bradley because she
raised it when he was on the stand we
pulled the so watch do you recall that
he had a garage door opener to either a
house or a condo or something like that
of Miss
Willis I've never seen a garage door
opener so no I do not have any personal
knowledge of him having a garage door
opener you have any knowledge at all
from Mr Wade or any source that he had a
garage door opener to access one of Miss
Willis's residents and I'll object to
the any source as to hearsay all right
depends on the source
overed no not I don't have any
knowledge well it's clear that Ashley
Merchant got that from somewhere it
appears to have been him but for sure
we've got a lawyer named Manny Aurora
who's willing to take the stand and say
he told me Terence Bradley told me Mr
Wade had a garage opener uh to that
property and again we have another
witness a DA saying he told me that they
were having an affair at that time and
had details about the use of her
apartment and other meeting I I mean the
little Butterball turkey the thing has
popped out it's done it's done Dave is
it done am I like how many witnesses
have to come forward to put the lie to
this it's only done if they had
firsthand information what they're doing
is just again saying that Terrence
Bradley lied on the stand he was out
there saying things and and he has
clearly loose lips and then when he got
in the stand he said well I was just
speculating so I think that's what would
happen happen here he'd get put on the
stand he'd say I was just speculating I
was talking trash and so I don't think
that moves the needle as much as
something else Megan that you may have
seen where the first witness jger said
that she heard ponnie Wilson's voice on
a phone call to Brad talking and that
would right that would contradict
actually yeah that I think is a bigger
deal than this this to me because it's
not firsthand information does not move
the needle and I don't think that the
judge is going to reopen it just for
this it's that other thing which we'll
talk about which may be a bigger problem
I'll I'll just fill it in now um this
first witness this assistant uh Deputy
da in Cobb County is willing to take the
stand and tell this judge under oath
that Fanny Willis was calling Terence
Bradley when Bradley was visiting
joerger in September so Bradley was with
joerger and he got a phone call from
Fanny and she was calling Bradley in
response to an article that was
published about how much money Nathan
Wade and his law partner had been paid
in the case she was mad cuz the Press
was going off about how well compensated
this one guy was with no no relevant
experience in Prosecuting Rico felonies
and so on and Miss joerger personally
heard da Willis tell Terrence Bradley
quote they are coming after us you don't
need to talk to them about anything
about us us an obvious reference to
Fanny and Nathan
Mike all of this undercuts Terrence
Bradley trying to claim he knew nothing
on that stand and of course the
underlying under oath assertions by
Willis and Wade about their
Affair yeah I mean this is a train wreck
and I would say about this Terrence
Bradley look he's a lawyer he was a law
partner with Nathan
Wade why is he running his look why is
he running his mouth just keep your damn
mouth shut even if it's not exactly an
client relationship or may or may not be
if if you're a law partner if you're a a
previous lawyer future lawyer just keep
your damn mouth shut why is he running
his mouth to all these people it's just
that to me just makes me not like him at
all I I know why I don't know this is my
opinion is he's mad he got pushed out of
the firm over allegations of sexual
assault that he denies um so he doesn't
have and then he got that's when his
relationship with Nathan Wade at least
as a lawyer ended he testified and that
was I think summer of 2022 or or maybe
September of 2022 so he's probably
pissed off a little that not only did
they push him out of the firm but he got
accused of being a terrible person of
like sexual assault again which he
denied on the stand um and so while it
appears they had some contact going
forward it wasn't particularly close he
denied that they had any contact but now
we had this guy calling Ashley Merchant
leaving the voicemail saying I them
having lunch together a couple of weeks
ago so Nathan Wade and Terence Bradley
and that I know these players I knew
exactly who it was and I introduced
myself and like just all the bricks are
falling out of this wall for Terence
Bradley and why because he's embarrassed
that he did blab inappropriately on a
friend and worse potentially on a client
but he did blab and it's out there and
for better for the worse I don't know
you tell me the judge is a human there's
no sequester order on him and and media
Dave so he's going to know this and he's
got to review these motions to see
whether he's going to allow these people
to
testify right I agree with everything
you and Mike said about Terrence Bradley
remember when fonny Willis's lawyers
went after him we didn't understand why
so why go after your own witness he's
given your side whatever you wanted but
now we know because I guess they
anticipate all this stuff coming out and
the fact is he did have a bad breakup
with Nathan Wade and so yeah this is
something the judge is aware of the
judge may have already made up his mind
and this doesn't matter but if the judge
has not or if he's ruling for fonny
Willis then he's more likely to allow
this to come in I I still believe the
the only thing that really is relevant
here is that conversation that that uh
joerger heard herself of fonny Willis's
voice talking to Terrence Bradley I'm
just gonna say Mike how do you speculate
that he has a garage door opener that he
uses to access access this apartment
owned by Robin yuti where he's visiting
that's quite a
speculation and very specific a very
specific speculation I mean this case is
a mess I I I don't know if Dave is with
me now that this case they should
absolutely get disqualified from this
case and this case should be dismissed
with a new prosecutor brought in because
it is so corrupted the I would say to
the Democrats why would you use these
corrupt lying be
as your front people for the laware
against a former and likely future
president of the United States if you're
going to run ware in 2028 pick better
people next time I think that's good
advice that's free legal advice I agree
with that and I want to tell the
audience again tomorrow at 9:00 amm
Ashley Merchant will be taking the stand
in front of the Georgia Senate committee
that's investigating this they've
subpoena her and all of the texts
between Ashley Merchant and Terrence
Bradley they've already interviewed what
they say are whistleblowers in this case
though we don't know anything more about
that so we're expecting to learn a fact
or two directly from Ashley Merchant
tomorrow when interestingly she takes
the stand all the lawyers are taking
pretty soon David Mike are GNA have to
take the standing I'm gonna take the
stand we're all gonna be but we'll tell
the truth guys thank you so much we
appreciate it thank you thank you Megan
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mysteries in media where in the world is
Matt drudge despite being named one of
the most influential names in in
journalism Matt drudge has all but
disappeared from the public eye his
website Drudge Report is still going
strong but is he even behind it anymore
and why did he turn so hard against
Trump in 2020 after having been pretty
openly supportive of him in
2016 all these questions have led to a
fascinating new podcast called finding
Matt drudge the host and producer Chris
Moody and Jamie Weinstein join me now
welcome to the show Chris and Jamie
great to have you thank you for having
us great to be here Jamie great to see
you again what a what a fun idea for a
podcast he really is this you know
enigmatic guy who no one ever sees I I
have seen him one time I have had one
in-person interaction with Matt drudge
was in the Fox News Green Room and um he
likes it that way it's not just because
he's looking to stir up Buzz about him
he really is is reclusive and so talk to
me about how like you got this
idea well it was in the middle of the
pandemic uh we're looking for something
to do so my my wife and I we started a
little production company and this was
the first idea I had in part because
Matt drudge obviously wields influence
and has for over 25 years helped shape
the media narrative uh but there's also
a mystery to it as you mentioned they're
questions that people still don't know
they don't know why Matt drudge became
inre in inly reclusive over the years
ended His Radio Show stopped going to
the White House Correspondence Dinner uh
basically disappeared from public life
for the last decade uh they also don't
know why he turned against Donald Trump
after pretty heavily uh going all in for
Trump and and as we show in our podcast
visiting the White House after Donald
Trump was elected and there's even
speculation there was an article a
couple years ago and some of the people
that Chris talks to on the show still
think perhaps he he doesn't even run the
site anymore uh so there's these
mysterious questions surrounding him
he's obviously a person of great
influence we thought that combination
made uh for a pretty interesting show
and that's why we went and did it
totally absolutely it does I just in the
um just so people know I don't know if
the audience is familiar with the Drudge
Report they must be because it's one of
the biggest sites online um he doesn't
like it when you call it a Blog it
Aggregates stories and it could
basically be the news room you know the
sort of editorial hub for Fox News for
many years or for other right leaning
Publications he has enormous power in
conservative circles and Beyond yes my
team is telling me that in the mediaite
power rankings this year um okay I was
number four they're telling me and Matt
Dreger is number five so he's a power
very very powerful very clearly uh but
he legit is and um you went back can I
just add he's five now and that's at
when people are saying his power has
ebed you know he's not he's not at its
height so you know even after 26 years
he he is still in the top five of the
mediaite power rankings which shows just
how powerful he must have been at his
very height yeah I mean truly when I was
at Fox News you did not start your day
without going to the judge report you
just it it wasn't done and then you
could see over the years him changed for
sure his feelings about Trump changed
and I don't know if you guys noticed
this and we have all sorts of fun SS
from your podcast that we're going to
play but my own impression was he was
very much behind Trump in 16 and then
during the Trump presidency um he was to
me as a reporter it was very clear that
Ivanka and Jared were his two best
sources because every other day we'd see
some glowing picture of ianka or some
great piece about Jared who are getting
hit by all the other media and so you
know you can kind of tell as a reporter
who a guy's sources are when that
happens and then suddenly bubus like
2020 came around his coverage on Trump
changed even in Jared and Ivanka got
ignored Chris and what was it did do you
guys figure out why why did he turn on
Trump well we should emphasize how
important the Drudge Report was to the
Trump campaign uh Trump had been
courting drudge uh even since 2015
actually even few years before that
where he would leak uh things to Drudge
through certain uh spokespeople uh on
Election night um uh uh Bannon and Jared
Kushner called drudge on the phone for
advice for what to do with the exit
polls coming out showing that Trump
wasn't doing very well and drudge told
them said you know hold the line those
are BS polls Trump is going to win and
then in the aftermath of course drudge
was visiting the White House and was
speaking with the president um and his
staff quite often people saw him there
um certainly more than once so he was a
part of of that uh in more uh more cases
than just somebody influential in in the
media now the reasons that he turned on
Trump there's a lot of of of different
speculation but what we've heard from
the Trump White House is that there was
talk of U drudge not being happy with
Trump on immigration that was a certain
policy reason but we also have an
interview coming out very very soon with
a former Drudge Report editor named
Joseph curl who talks about how um
members of the Trump White House spoke
negatively about uh drudge and it got
back to him kind of took him for granted
said things kind of like well who needs
drudge who needs a blogger that kind of
talk and you know drudge has ears
everywhere he hears things if you say
something about him he will notice it
and that got back to him and so it could
have been a little bit of policy could
have been a little bit personal um but
it certainly was a mix that made him
turn against uh Trump in the
end I believe the immigration thing
because one thing I think we know is
that he's good friends with Anne couter
and Anne couter of course everybody now
knows has completely turned on Trump and
it's I mean if ever there were a single
issue voter it's an on immigration she's
it's she's devoted her life to this
issue and God she's been proven right
every day on her forecasts and um I
think she and uh she has Mickey cow on
all the time I I enjoy her her substack
and her submissions but I think she and
mickeey cows and um drudge share this
one issue as a true passion so it would
make sense because she was an Ardent
supporter of Trump's and what soured her
on him it was he didn't build a wall and
even though he did more certainly than
Biden has done on immigration he didn't
really get it done as as we can see
everything he got done got undone as
soon as he left
office Megan just to to follow up on
that we actually have an interview with
Mickey cow uh had hasn't aired yet where
he talks about a dinner that an drudge
he and he had after one of the debates
in 2016 so there's definitely a Nexus uh
he's not a stranger to Drudge either so
um you know that that that is certainly
part of it but I let me just add one
more thing that I think we heard uh to
to what Chris said about why he turned
on drudge I think those two are crucial
the third is I think people mistake
judge for a partisan uh kind of
Republican party oper uh operative
sometimes and he's not that he likes to
be different than what people think uh
there's a there's a clip from him on
cpan in in
200 1999 talking about Pap panan
entering the race saying oh this would
be interesting I think he always wants
to be interesting I think he wants to go
against the grain sometimes and you know
after supporting Trump what's more
Against the Grain than turning around
and showing that he's his own man and
doesn't necessarily need to follow Trump
and do the same thing four years later
so the podcast gets into his beginnings
and I didn't I didn't know any of this
but he apparently worked at CBS news for
a time always loved media always loved
news even as a kid grew up in the
Maryland area and got gets a job at CBS
News and starts pulling things out of
the garbage ratings and you have a bit
of that you have a a clip of the actual
drudge here's a clip for our audience
from your podcast of you Chris
introducing the clip and here's the clip
watch drudge started finding that CBS
staffers were tossing television rating
numbers in the track
before they were made public he went out
and dug them out here he is telling the
story during a speech in
1998 overhearing listening to
careful
conversations intercepting the
occasional memo would volunteer in the
mail room from time to time I hit Pay
Dirt when I discovered that the trash
cans in the Xerox room at television
city were stuffed each morning with
overnight neelon ratings information
gold
and it it wasn't CBS News it was the
price is right right price is right
where he worked for a time so
fascinating so just put some meat on
those bones
Chris well drudge knew a story when he
saw it you mentioned that he grew up in
uh Maryland right outside of Washington
DC in the shadow of the great
institution uh that was the Washington
Post right and I I think he uh idealized
it quite a bit and wanted to be part of
an institution like that um but uh do to
I I think you could argue educational or
class differences he never really was
welcomed into that club and I think he
always carried that with him that he
wasn't part of them so going out to
California um right at the Advent of the
internet he's using what we would see
now as a primitive computer in his
apartment uh this is the moment when The
Gatekeepers really started coming down
and a 20-some like Matt drudge could dig
something out of the trash and then
wouldn't have to get permission from an
editor he could post it on his own on
his own terms on his own website and
that is the key change and it was in
those seeds at CBS that we saw his
greatest scoop that really launched him
just a couple of years later when
Newsweek magazine had some details of
the Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky SC
Scandal and then paused on publishing it
well Matt drudge got a hold of it and
published it real quick right on his
website and brust the news media uh very
quickly into the internet age realizing
that anyone could scoop these
institutions all the sudden and I
believe that clip that you played was
when drudge after releasing the Monica
Lewinsky story details going back to
Washington and speaking at the national
rest Club surrounded by the people who I
think he would argue in his mind
rejected him and saying hey I scooped
you and now things are changing and that
was the start of it all and now he
Scoops all the time I mean you know it's
it's wonderful when you get in a a clip
on The Drudge Report or a link to your
you know something you've done because
your volume of hits just goes through
the roof that's the power of His reach
um but yeah the Monica Linsky thing is
huge we'll we'll get to that in one
second um where he lives how to find him
how to actually lay eyes on him is
weirdly a huge mystery he doesn't want
attention and um you you talk about in
episode two this moment Chris where
you're at the Palm restaurant in
Washington DC and to me it's like Kaiser
so you know like you just you almost
almost had him but no what
happened well Jamie had gone into the
restaurant for dinner and the matro
rushed up to him and said you won't
believe who was just here and Jamie
saysi who you know somebody famous and
he says Matt drudge now it is remarkable
that a matro d would be so excited to
see somebody because they see
celebrities at the Palm all the time but
Matt drudge is someone so elusive so
mysterious that he's worth gossiping
about and talking about and then make
sure he spoke to us uh on the podcast
but it it is it did drive us a little
crazy that we had started this project
and we almost had him by I think 10 to
15 minutes uh Grudge also I want to say
came into the door didn't see anybody at
the front just kind of slipped in
quietly had a drink at the bar U people
noticed him they Googled his face they
said I can't believe it's him and then
before they could turn back around he
was gone this is really emblematic of
how he operates he appears in Washington
or he appears in a place and then he
just disappears on his own terms uh you
can never really nail him down you
mentioned how elusive he's been the guy
hasn't been photographed I believe in
over a decade uh when we spoke to Joseph
curl who was his staffer for four years
at their exit meeting before he left the
company Joe K said Hey brother can we
get a photo together and drudge said
absolutely not and he's never spoken to
him again and that's Matt I love it and
he's always got the Fedora on you know
which is kind of interesting because
that is a tell that he always does Megan
unless he wants to be recognized takes
that thing off and he's just a guy
walking around town and people don't
recognize him it's it's kind of like
Batman's mask you know you wouldn't know
it's Batman if he took it off that the
the Fedora in a way is his mask so one
of the people you talked to about drudge
was Tucker Carlson who's of course been
in conservative circles media circles
for his entire adult life and actually
before then um even when as was a kid
his dad worked in the media so that this
is a fascinating story and I'll play the
the audience a little clip you should
definitely download the podcast so you
can hear the full story um again finding
Matt drudge here it is from episode one
I remember having one conversation with
him we're talking about I was always
been fascinated by you know who is he
personally and somebody once said to me
that he had bought a bun maybe Breitbart
I think told me that he had bought a
bunch of land in Miami dat but kind of
on the outskirts far from Miami and it
built a a sort of Doomsday compound and
for the record I'm not against doomsday
compounds at all I I don't think that's
a crazy thing to do in the slightest I
think it's an admirable thing to do so I
wasn't mocking him but I asked about it
and he became so emotional and burst
into tears and started yelling at me and
I was going to betray him and tell
people about his compound and I suppose
he was right because now I am a lot of
people the media business really want to
be famous in fact it's the rule rather
than the exception and here was a guy at
the center of the media business at the
top of it who didn't want any attention
personally okay so you actually followed
up on the alleged compound and you've
got a story in the podcast about someone
who actually in 20120 found it went on
to the property which already seems
scary to me you like
it's somebody who doesn't want you there
and yet he did it so what what tell us
about that there was a reporter named
Bob Norman who was working on a story
about why drudge turned against Trump in
2020 and uh as a good reporter he
couldn't get comment over the phone or
over email so he drove over to drudge's
house he assumed there'd be a big gate
maybe he'd leave a note and the gate was
wide open so in Drive Bob Norman right
to Matt drudge's front door he steps out
knocks on the door uh no answer then so
he gets up and he leaves not long after
his telephone rings and who is it but
Matt drudge and he is furious couldn't
believe that this reporter would come
onto his property said he was going to
call the police uh said you know you
were brave for doing this you could have
been shot something could have happened
to you you know that kind of thing um
and uh what the reporter noted was that
drudge in a he said it was about a 30
minute phone conversation wouldn't stop
ranting about him coming on his property
e every time he Tred to turn the
conversation back to an interview about
the story he's writing drudge would just
come right back around and he actually
exasperated the reporter so much that he
just said please just
stop um now we did our own what's
interesting I have to tell you what's
interesting about this to me is the more
I live and the more I I meet very
successful people you know whether
they're extremely talented or they're
extremely hardworking or whatever
they've made a bunch of money and doing
something the more I realize that these
people tend to come in very interesting
and complex
packages and in in many of the cases and
I don't mean this pejoratively but
they're a little off socially you know I
honestly I could say the same about
myself I definitely have social anxiety
and I'm constantly a bull in a china
shop and saying the wrong thing but I
just think not to say I'm This brilliant
person I'm just saying like I can relate
to you might be very strong at one thing
and like kind of not so strong at
another and he's that to the extreme
right he started this with no support no
connections just this sort of aggregated
news source and then he's for all these
years been so incredibly powerful to
this day I check the Drudge Report every
morning and I love that you're looking
into whether it's still Matt behind it
because I have wondered and you you know
and you actually conclude it's him that
like we'll know when Matt drudge is no
longer interested in doing this how will
we know
Jamie well uh Chris interviews some
people that were at Andrew breber fun
and of course uh Andrew helped uh edit
the Drudge Report uh when drudge needed
someone to stand in for him back in the
very beginning uh and drudge shows up
and the the some of the the Breitbart
staffers there who are just about to
launch actually breitbart's website uh
talk to him and they say uh I you know
uh he well he asked them actually he
goes uh what are you going to call the
website now uh and they go well we're
going to call it Breitbart he goes
really you're going to call call it
Breitbart but breitbart's pass he goes
yeah but we want to honor uh Andrew
Breitbart this what we're going to call
it we're going to continue on and he
said well that won't be for me when I'm
gone that website is done so when you
know basically gives the answer to the
question we're trying to to answer
whether he still works on the site
there's also you know other information
we have to to show that he does uh but
he will not be that site will not exist
if Matt drudge is is not working on it
that's basically uh what he said well on
the subject of the house Chris it looked
like I haven't seen it personally but I
know we have some video and he's putting
it up for sale now so I think it's okay
to to show it but it wasn't is a nice
house but it mattra has got to have tens
of millions of dollars there's just no
question he's a
multi-millionaire thanks to what's
happened with The Drudge Report I don't
know did you expect him to be living
more
elaborately well one thing about this
house is that the the price is in the
location it is secluded you cannot see
it from Google Earth it is covered in
green it is invisible from above uh you
cannot see it from the road it is tucked
away it's almost built into the Earth is
how Bob Norman described it um it it's a
place where somebody who wanted to get
away and not be bothered would certainly
go you know he used to have a place uh
closer to downtown Miami Beach and those
kinds of places um but he he just wanted
to get away from that exposure uh and
you did mention that that house is for
sale and it went up for sale
right uh in the middle of us doing this
podcast and uh the descriptions have
changed they've added more exclamation
points and more references to why this
seller is very motivated so we don't
know why he wanted to get rid of it um
but one one can speculate but I will say
I should reiterate that they put this
online he put this online through his
realtor they they want you to see it's
not our video we would no no it's not
like you secretly got in there no no no
but um he he also is known to live
around the world do you never know where
he actually is his staffers never know
where he is he could just be in Israel
he could be in Arizona he could be in
Florida um he has properties he spents a
lot of time in Las Vegas he likes to get
really fancy suits U Matt leack his
biography his biographer has reported uh
and so he's a person that likes to move
around and and that I think when when
you mention like hey this you know this
isn't look like a palacial mansion or
anything it's like well you know he has
other priorities and he has other
properties too and was a beautiful home
I just know I mean he's got to be one of
the richest men in media I when down in
Miami you could go big you could go
right in the ocean um okay stand by
we're gonna take a quick break right do
we need a break no we don't actually
never mind we're we're good I I forgot
we squeezed R in after Dave Mike okay so
I I'm going to get to two things we have
to talk about mon Lewinsky and then I
will tell you about the time I met Matt
drudge in person in the conversation
that we had um so Monica lewitzky is
really what put drudge on the map and
you point out in the show most people
think Matt drudge broke that story and
he did he did break the Monica piece of
it did he not because I'll tell you my
experience of this I mean I was not
media I was just a kid um but I was a
lawyer and shortly thereafter when I got
to Fox News in 2004 Brit Hume told me
this personally that the reason Special
Report launched the night it did was
because drudge broke uh the Monica
Lewinsky story and they understood at
Fox this was huge and they had no choice
but to like fire up an engine the
Special Report show that they were not
yet ready to put on the air but there
you know Fox is kind it was a startup to
begin with they're like let's do
it you know so they did it and the show
is still going strong and now hosted by
our friend Brett Bear anyway Matt drudge
got that whole thing started and I see
in the piece Michael isakov who writes
for Newsweek who actually had the story
but was told by his publisher Newsweek
to hold it he's kind of like he didn't
really break it you know I broke the
piece about being investigated by the
justice department for lot you know but
it really was a Matt drudge thing well
Matt drudge pushed it into the open in a
way that Newsweek was hesitant to do
there were lots of details swirling
around at this time um and yeah in the
finer points isakov had quite a few
Scoops and he's a fantastic reporter
he's now at Yahoo news um but the the
point with with drudge was that Drudge
made this story impossible to ignore
there was no more hey should we hold
this story should we check it everyone
had to run after the story television
shows had to be launched you know it
thrust the ships to War as it were um in
a way that U might not have happened in
such an Abrupt way it could have been a
little drip drip leakier we don't we
don't exactly know but what it certainly
did um was put Legacy news organizations
on their toes
and they realize in the internet age if
we don't break this somebody else will
and I think it pushed us into a digital
era that we were in a different Universe
before drudge broke this and for that
you could tile the biography of that
drudge GameChanger I mean you really
could it could just be called
GameChanger because he really has been
here's isakov from the podcast um this
is a clip from episode two finding Matt
drudge where isakov talks about it all
take a listen you had this scoop and why
was it not run why was it delayed
basically they were
nervous I mean the editors you know this
was like they wanted to know everything
but like well wait second like you know
can we really report that
Clinton you know has been having an
affair with an
intern the story was going to come out
it's question of how and when right but
the fundamentals were already there it
was just too explosive they couldn't
handle it was too big to
report well done so I mean kudos to him
because he did do great reporting on it
it was just Newsweek that didn't that
didn't have the appetite and so that's
the thing about drudge because he puts
up the red siren above the Drudge Report
and everyone in news is like holy
drudge has got the siren up we all have
to pay attention and one day uh he did
that involving yours truly and this
would lead to my encounter with him so
it was
2013 and uh my son Thatcher had just
been born in July and I had struck a
deal with Roger alses to when I returned
from maternity leave join the Fox News
Prime Time and take over the 9:00 p.m.
spot and it was to be kept secret I
certainly wasn't going to blab it to
anyone I didn't want to screw up my own
career across my boss in that way and um
I was online one day in our little
townhouse we had and boom there was the
news on The Drudge Report and I remember
like holy oh my God like how does he
know because I knew and Roger knew and
almost nobody else knew and uh it said
something like Megan to Prime Time and I
never found out but shortly thereafter
some it must have been you know between
13 and 17 cuz that's when I left Fox I
saw Matt Matt drudge in The Green Room
outside of Shan Hannity Studio on a
night he he I think he was going on
Hannity and uh I said Matt drudge like
how you doing I said someday you're
going to have to tell me who told you
that news and he said I promise you
someday I will tell you and that then I
haven't seen him again so I'm really
kind of hoping that somay it was like
maybe maybe after the person dies he
didn't tell me what the condition would
be but he felt like he was in a position
to actually at some point share it with
me which I'd love to know if he gets
back to me you know I I'll let you know
but anyway uh it's just another
Testament of how he gets stuff no one
has yeah he he is remarkable at that and
I I think Chris in one of the episodes I
believe it talks about how Trump
secretly would have things leaked to him
after telling people you know don't
don't leak this anywhere keep this
secret but when the are shut he would
have someone give it give it over to
Drudge and part two Curry favor uh with
with someone he viewed as so influential
who which is Matt drudge and which is
why uh from the very beginning of his
campaign as Chris mentioned they try to
court drudge as a supporter and it
certainly worked in the beginning and he
would send drudge personal Notes too oh
I'm sorry Trump would write personal
notes to Drudge uh he would have the
Drudge Report does yeah I got one myself
it's on my office desk here uh but he
would print The Drudge Report and then
write little notes like great story
drudge you know I mean the the personal
um attempt was was very real and going
after him what Donald Trump was sending
me when I was in the prime time of fox
almost invariably were stories about
himself in the newspaper that he would
then sign and just mail him to me
like okay thank you and but he would
call me also to compliment various news
segments he had seen The Kelly File I
have one from Trump that says Chris
you're a bad
reporter sign Donald Trump with love um
okay can we just spend one second
because we're talking about Monica
Lewinsky and the in the whole Bill
Clinton affair she's actually back in
the news do you guys see
this I don't know I don't know if you've
seen this but she just got the L
treatment she's got this huge spread in
L
magazine as like the next
supermodel and these young young people
over on Tik Tok Etc are reacting to her
as though she is a hero she's Mo she's
modeling Reformation clothing and they
are the Young Folks today are so
incredibly excited about Monica Lewinsky
who for the young people watching this
show is famous or I do believe the word
is Infamous for having an affair with a
married man who happened to be the
president of the United States whom she
admitted to aggressively courting by
showing him her thong and bragged about
her quote presidential knee pads before
she had even met him um so she was
excited to go into the White House and
get it on with the all to willing
sitting president of the United States
she was outed one thing led to another
he lied about it under oath and he was
impeached but not convicted similar to
Trump and um sh her name became
synonymous with that's what
happened I mean that's all she gave him
they didn't have actual conventional sex
and to get a Lewinsky became synonymous
with getting a which was
embarrassing I'm sure for her but now
she's resurfacing as like the new
heroine to the young folks today I'll
give you a a sample of uh one of these
ticktockers I don't know 19 or 20
whatever you guys think is better I am
not going to lie I had zero idea who
this woman was so I had to do a little
bit of research and this is Monica
Lewinsky and she's pretty iconic so she
is the woman that Bill Clinton had an
affair with the woman where Hillary
Clinton got cheated on but Reformation
basically partnered with Monica Lewinsky
and voter.org to bring awareness with
voting for the election for 2024 so this
collab is truly iconic the fact that she
is promoting voting well she had a
literal affair with Bill Clinton icon
Legend like get that bag but can we take
a moment for the red dress the red
tights like I know Hillary Clinton is
shaking in her boots right now like I
know Bill Clinton is peeping like he's
lurking he's like oh that's Monica
Lewinsky she looking absolutely fire
Pooky oh my
God I'm sorry I'm gonna be honest I
prefer my female Heroes to have actually
done something heroic for womenkind I
okay I'm glad Monica Lewinsky is doing
okay but she's not it Jamie thoughts
well first of all the language just
makes me feel old collab and get that
bag I mean this this is a this is a
different era I guess I am I am getting
older I don't
know to say to that uh it's so bizarre
that that Monica Linsky is being uh
brought out again so long you know so
much so many years later my only thought
is that hopefully that boodes well for
the show if people are figuring out
about Monica lsky maybe uh drudge uh
podcast but will be uh next up their
alley I don't I don't get it are we so
desperate do we run out of actual Heroes
like actual heroins there are actual
women out there right now doing great
things for America I'm glad she's back
on her feet and I'm glad back in her
2015 special the black and white thing
she took responsibility for her terrible
decision-making these were no ordinary
mistakes yes every 22-year-old makes
mistakes these were not ordinary ones
you're having an affair with a sitting
president of the United States while his
wife the first lady is you know upstairs
and you know you're you're jeopardizing
the the country in a in a way this was a
huge one so she deserved some time on
the sidelines doesn't mean she should
never work again in her life but she's
not a heroine this is so weird I don't
get it young people seem desperate to
prop up anybody who's been through
anything as a hero because they don't
allow themselves to go through anything
anymore even the bad words they can't
hear and discussions about abortion are
they need trigger warnings reading the
founding documents they wanted a trigger
warning at the National Archives I mean
we could keep going so in any event keep
looking go Monica I I love you know I
love that you you keep trying to
reinvent yourself and keep coming into
the national news every other year
saying this is the first time but anyway
um it all started with Matt drudge so
what do you guys make of it now because
media over the what 20 years that he's
been doing this has changed
dramatically does he have I know we
talked about number five media and all
that but does he have the same influence
now especially given how the Republican
Party feels about Trump
as he used to well you mentioned Megan
that Fox News was always reading him uh
in the studio and everything but it
wasn't just Fox News it was all the
networks it was ABC CBS NBC all the
reporters mainstream left and right uh
to your question though of of has he
declined a little bit in in um his
influence I would say certainly so the
internet has changed uh drudge is where
you used to go to see the latest news
you would refresh it you would hit
refresh refresh refresh to find
something new but now that's on social
media that's on Twitter X that's places
like that and so that has kind of
supplanted it a little bit and and um
also his his reporting has kind of
slowed down a little bit it's a lot more
aggregation and fewer Scoops than he
used to have um but I think it's okay
for a site like that to enter a new
season uh I'll tell you why I really
love going to the Drudge Report is
because so much of my media diet is run
by an algorithm I desperately want a
creative interesting person to find
stories for me to read and say hey I
think you'll like this and not because
of who you are but because who I am who
I am as the editor and I think that is
what is going to make him stand up that
human touch that he has um even if he
doesn't have the influence that he did
maybe 10 15 years ago he still certainly
matters I agree he's done so much for
the news industry for causes I hold dear
um for the media coverage and media in
general that I'm grateful to the guy
enatic though he may be that that is
kind of part of his Allure you guys can
hear more at finding Matt drudge new
podcast available on all platforms guys
thanks for being here thank you for
having us Megan really appreciate it all
right and we'll see all of you tomorrow
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