Is Overclocking now useless?

JayzTwoCents
22 Mar 202417:18

Summary

TLDR视频讨论了现代CPU和GPU组件的超频问题,指出超频不再是提升性能的关键手段。随着硬件制造商将产品推向极限,留给用户的超频空间越来越小。视频还探讨了如何获取广告宣传的CPU速度,并讨论了GPU超频的现状,指出超频的黄金时代已经过去,现在更多的是关于如何管理高功耗和散热的问题。

Takeaways

  • 🚀 现代CPU和GPU组件的超频能力已经不如以往,因为制造商已经将它们推向极限。
  • 🎮 Falcon Northwest专注于为游戏玩家打造高端定制PC,已有30多年的历史。
  • 🔧 超频(Overclocking)是指将ASIC(如CPU或GPU)推向超过其额定速度。
  • 🌡️ 现代组件的超频不仅涉及提高核心频率,还包括管理热头空间、温度、功率限制和功耗。
  • 💡 获取广告中宣传的性能速度(如5.5 GHz全核心)现在几乎等同于超频,因为需要调整设置来维持这些速度。
  • 🛠️ 通过降低电压和微调偏移量,可以尝试在不过度增加功耗的情况下达到稳定的高频率。
  • 🔥 高端CPU和GPU现在需要大量的功率和热设计功耗(TDP),使得水冷等冷却解决方案再次变得相关。
  • 📈 通过使用如Intel Extreme Tuning Utility(XTU)等工具,可以在操作系统中实时调整超频设置。
  • 🎲 在当前的硬件环境中,超频的乐趣减少了,因为制造商已经为用户做了大量的工作。
  • 🔄 尽管NVIDIA和AMD的GPU已经具备自动超频功能,但用户可操作的超频空间有限。
  • 🔄 过去,超频意味着将硬件频率提高1000 MHz以上,但现在超频空间有限,因为硬件已经接近极限。

Q & A

  • 什么是超频?

    -超频是指将ASIC(如CPU或GPU)的运行速度提高到超出其官方额定速度的过程。

  • 为什么现代CPU组件的超频能力受到关注?

    -现代CPU组件,如GPU,被设计得越来越接近其性能极限,因此超频能力受到关注,因为它可以进一步提升性能,尤其是在寻求高端定制游戏体验时。

  • Falcon Northwest是如何确保其定制游戏PC性能最佳的?

    -Falcon Northwest通过使用定制机箱、进行最先进的测试和设计,以及通过热成像和严格的实验室测试来确保每个组件都能发挥最佳性能。

  • 超频对CPU的哪些方面有影响?

    -超频会影响CPU的热头房(thermal headroom)、温度(TJ Maxx)、功率限制(power limit)和功率消耗(power draw),这些都是决定CPU时钟速度的关键因素。

  • 现代CPU组件的超频能力如何?

    -现代CPU组件的超频能力受到了限制,因为它们在出厂时已经被推至接近极限的性能水平,留给用户的超频空间相对较小。

  • 如何测试CPU的超频稳定性?

    -可以通过运行极端工作负载的测试,如使用Cinebench等基准测试软件,来检查CPU在高负载下是否能持续保持超频后的速度,以此来测试超频的稳定性。

  • 为什么现代GPU的超频空间很小?

    -现代GPU在出厂时已经通过技术如NVIDIA的GPU Boost或AMD的类似技术进行了自动超频,这使得用户可用的超频空间变小。

  • 超频对电源和散热的要求是什么?

    -超频通常需要更高的功率和更有效的散热解决方案,因为超频会增加组件的功耗和发热量。

  • 为什么说现代超频的乐趣减少了?

    -因为现代硬件在出厂时已经被优化到接近极限,留给用户自行超频的余地很小,超频的主要工作变成了尝试稳定达到宣传的性能指标,而非过去的提升硬件性能。

  • 为什么水冷系统在高端硬件中变得更加重要?

    -由于高端CPU和GPU需要处理巨大的功率和热设计功耗(TDP),水冷系统能提供更有效的散热,因此变得更加重要。

  • 超频对性能的实际提升有多大?

    -对于现代硬件而言,超频可能只能提供相对较小的性能提升,例如在GPU上可能只能实现几个百分点的提升,这在实际游戏中可能难以察觉。

Outlines

00:00

💻 现代CPU和GPU的超频能力探讨

本段讨论了现代CPU和GPU组件的超频能力,特别是对于追求高端定制游戏体验的用户。提到Falcon Northwest公司专注于打造高性能游戏PC,并通过严格的测试确保每个组件的最佳性能。超频是指将ASIC推至超过其额定速度,现代组件如CPU和GPU已经能够在出厂时达到很高的频率,例如5GHz。但是,为了达到这些高频率,制造商必须将功率限制推至极限,导致功耗大幅增加。此外,还讨论了如何通过调整设置来尝试达到CPU的全速运行,以及如何通过降低电压来尝试提高性能而不牺牲稳定性。

05:00

🔧 超频实践与广告速度的挑战

这一段深入探讨了超频实践,特别是尝试达到并维持CPU广告中宣称的速度。通过使用XTU工具,作者尝试在操作系统中调整设置以超越5.5GHz的全核心速度。讨论了超频的困难,尤其是在现代组件已经接近极限的情况下。作者还提到了通过降低电压来尝试提高性能,同时保持稳定性的重要性。此外,还提到了AMD的Precision Boost Overdrive技术,以及如何通过微调来尝试达到更好的性能。

10:02

🌡️ 频率、电压与温度的平衡

本段讨论了频率与电压之间的关系,以及如何通过调整这些参数来优化CPU性能。作者通过实际测试,展示了在不同电压下,CPU频率和温度的变化,以及这些变化如何影响性能测试的得分。提到了在超频过程中,如果电压降低过多,即使频率保持不变,性能也可能下降。此外,还讨论了NVIDIA的GPU Boost技术,以及如何通过调整设置来尝试提高GPU性能。

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🚫 超频的变迁与未来趋势

这一段反思了超频的过去和现在,指出超频的概念已经发生了变化。作者通过个人经历,比较了过去超频的简单性与现代超频的复杂性。提到了由于硬件制造商已经将CPU和GPU推向极限,留给用户超频的空间越来越小。同时,提到了水冷等冷却解决方案的重要性,因为高端CPU和GPU的需求日益增长。最后,作者提出了对超频未来的看法,认为超频的乐趣正在减少,但仍然有其价值。

Mindmap

Definition
History
Current State
Overclocking Concept
Modern CPUs
Thermal and Power Limits
Advertised Performance
Overclocking Techniques
CPU Overclocking
Auto Overclocking
Limitations
NVIDIA vs AMD
GPU Overclocking
Pushing Limits
Marketing
Hardware Manufacturers
High Power Demands
Relevance of Water Cooling
Cooling Solutions
Overclocking Sentiment
Tinkering Culture
Community and User Perspective
Overclocking and Modern Hardware Performance
Alert

Keywords

💡超频

超频是指将硬件组件,如CPU或GPU,运行在超出其官方指定速度的状态。在视频中,超频被讨论为一种提升性能的方法,但也指出现代硬件的超频空间有限,因为制造商已经将性能推向极限。

💡Falcon Northwest

Falcon Northwest是一家专门制造高端游戏电脑的公司,以其定制机箱和高性能游戏体验而闻名。在视频中,Falcon Northwest被提及作为提供高品质游戏系统的代表。

💡热设计功耗(TDP)

热设计功耗(Thermal Design Power,简称TDP)是指散热系统需要处理的最大热量,通常用来衡量CPU或GPU在满载时的热输出。视频中提到TDP是评估超频能力时需要考虑的一个重要因素。

💡核心时钟

核心时钟是指CPU或GPU的核心运行频率,通常以赫兹(Hz)为单位。它是衡量处理器性能的关键指标之一。视频中讨论了核心时钟与超频的关系,以及现代处理器的核心时钟已经非常高。

💡功率限制

功率限制是指硬件组件,尤其是CPU和GPU,在不超过特定功率消耗的情况下运行的能力。在超频过程中,功率限制是一个重要的考量因素,因为它直接影响到硬件的稳定性和散热需求。

💡温度

温度是指硬件组件在运行时产生的热量,对于超频来说,温度是一个关键的考量因素,因为过高的温度可能导致硬件损坏或性能降低。

💡电压

电压是指电子设备中电流的电势差,对于超频来说,电压的调整可以帮助提高硬件的性能,但同时也会增加热量产生。在视频中,电压与超频和硬件稳定性紧密相关。

💡核心数量

核心数量是指CPU内部独立处理单元的数量,它影响处理器的多任务处理能力和整体性能。视频中提到了不同核心数量的CPU及其对超频的影响。

💡性能核心与效率核心

性能核心(P核心)和效率核心(E核心)是Intel处理器中不同类型的核心,其中P核心提供高性能,而E核心则优化能效。视频中讨论了如何在超频时调整这些不同类型核心的频率。

💡GPU提升

GPU提升,如NVIDIA的GPU Boost技术,是一种自动超频技术,它可以根据温度和功率余量动态提高GPU的运行频率。视频中提到了GPU提升技术的发展和对用户超频的影响。

💡水冷

水冷是一种高效的散热技术,通过使用循环流动的冷却液来带走硬件产生的热量。视频中提到,随着高性能CPU和GPU的功耗增加,水冷技术变得更加重要。

Highlights

讨论了超频的概念及其在现代CPU和GPU组件中的相关性。

提到Falcon Northwest公司专注于为游戏玩家打造高端定制电脑。

解释了超频是将ASIC推向超过其额定速度的过程。

讨论了现代CPU的多种核心和时钟速度。

强调了达到最高时钟速度所需的严格标准,包括热头房和功率限制。

提到现代组件如5GHz在几年前是难以想象的,但现在已经成为现实。

讨论了为了达到宣传的性能,用户需要像超频一样操作以获得广告中的速度。

提到了使用Intel Extreme Tuning Utility (XTU)进行实时调整的可能性。

强调了ASIC质量在超频和性能中的重要性。

讨论了超频与获得持续的宣传速度之间的差异。

提到了超频的历史,以及如何在过去十年中发生了变化。

提到了GPU超频的现状,以及NVIDIA和AMD在这方面的不同策略。

讨论了超频在高端CPU和GPU中的重要性,以及它如何使得水冷系统再次变得相关。

提到了超频的乐趣正在消失,因为硬件制造商已经在出厂时将性能推向极限。

讨论了超频的历史和它如何随着时间的推移而演变。

提到了超频的稳定性,以及它需要在极端工作负载下不崩溃。

讨论了超频的电压和频率之间的关系,以及如何通过调整这些参数来优化性能。

提到了超频的挑战,以及为了获得微小的性能提升需要付出的努力。

讨论了超频社区对于超频的看法,以及它在现代硬件中的地位。

Transcripts

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you know there's this concept of

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overclocking being dead that I sort of

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want to talk about um it's partially

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true but we we're we're going to talk

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about modern CPU components even GPU

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components and whether or not like

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overclockability is something you should

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so all overclocking means is pushing an

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Asic Beyond its like rated speeds so an

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aset could be anything it could be a CPU

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it could be a GPU it could be a

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Raspberry Pi right it could literally be

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anything anything that has a core clock

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um so our CPUs as you know have all

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sorts of varying clock speeds these days

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and there's like single core there's two

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core there's like three core six core

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eight core and what I mean by that is

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that's the amount of cores under load

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that determine the speed so that's why

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every single CPU that you look at now

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says up to 5.5 GHz or up to 5.8 GHz

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because there's a very strict set of

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criteria that has to be met to be able

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to get that clock speed is there thermal

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Headroom are you anywhere near your your

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TJ Maxx on temperature uh what is your

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power limit what is your power draw it's

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like power draw would be things like how

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many amps is it actually drawing through

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the CPU how how much voltage is being

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sent to the GPU how hot's the GPU so all

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these things play into a factor when it

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comes to your clock speeds now the thing

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is with modern modern components being

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pushed as far as they're being pushed

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today like 5 GHz was a pipe dream 5

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years ago like 5 years ago sure you

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might have you might have had a 9900 K

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here and there that could hit like 5 GHz

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it's maybe all core maybe and then

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really good chips might be able to do

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like 5 one single or dual core load now

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we're talking like 58 or 14900 K is

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doing like 5,800 MHz single core and two

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core load and then up to 5.5 gahz all

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core that's like completely unheard of

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but one of the ways that they've

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achieved that is the fact that they have

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to push the power limits kind of to an

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insane envelopes so for instance the

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14900 K which I have installed on my

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test bench right here on an Asus

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uh board I don't remember which one it

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is exactly I really don't remember which

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one it is it says up to 5.5 GHz but it

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run it's at 253 Watts now what I'm going

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to show you here real quickly real quick

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and we'll kind of do some demonstrations

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here of of how to get the full

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advertised performance out of your CPU

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because essentially it's almost like an

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overclock now to get the advertised

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speeds which is really stupid and should

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border on marketing legality at this

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point um you can see right here we have

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a couple cores that are sitting in the

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5.8 GHz range there's one right there

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there's one right there it's going to

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hand off to down there watch see that

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went 55 back and so Core 2 and three in

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the P core Arrangement tend to be the

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preferred cores for the higher clock

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speeds all the e cores as you can see at

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4.3 now realistically what should happen

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here is when I start cinebench we should

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see it go to 5.5 GHz all core the

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problem is what we're going to find is

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that getting 5.5 GHz all core at a full

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100% % sustained load is not what you're

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going to get you're going to get like 52

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51 so check this out we don't care about

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our score and stuff right now on sbench

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I'm just using this as a benchmark to

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load up the CPU so right now we'll look

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at the scores to compare but I don't as

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as I hit start on allore test or

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multicore you're going to see 55 on all

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cores now 5'2 it dropped like we got

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like three or four seconds of 5.5 GHz

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and what sucks about that is that's all

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that was basically required for Intel's

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up to 5.5 GHz to really legal so our

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power shoots right up to

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253 XX watts and that's exactly what

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it's max power rating is now that's why

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we're not actually able to get 55 on all

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cores sustained is because there has to

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be a limiting factor there's there is a

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throttle reason yes right now if I was

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to bring up XTU or extreme tuning

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utility uh from Intel it would have a

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throttle reason of yes as power power

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would be our limiting factor here so

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what a lot of motherboard manufacturers

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are doing is they're lifting up those

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power limits out of the box I've already

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done a complete rant video explaining

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that it motherboard manufacturers need

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to leave Intel limits in place unless

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the user goes in and specifies lift

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those limits because the cooler has

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everything to do with how well it can

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perform cuz the problem is when you lift

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the power what do you do you also lift

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the temperatures what's essentially

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become

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overclocking these days is not pushing

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the core necessarily Beyond it rated

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spef or specified speeds which is the up

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to 5.8 single core and up to 5.5 GHz all

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core on a 49 or 4900 K it's just trying

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to manipulate the specs to get the

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advertise speeds sustained so let's do

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this I'm going to go ahead and load up

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XTU I love XTU because it allows me to

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make these changes on the fly in the OS

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so right now what I want to see is can I

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even come close to getting Beyond 5.5

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GHz all core

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and I'm not entirely so sure because

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components are pushed so close to the

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Limit these days with that you know well

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over well into the 5 GHz range even the

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AMD and that's a AMD rig behind me with

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a I don't remember which CPU is on there

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but it's an AMD system right there even

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with amds Precision boost overdrive and

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stuff it's very difficult to get the

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advertised speeds for very long and even

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those CPUs are up into the 5 GHz plus

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range now which is huge for AMD they

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were lacking in the clock speeds for so

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long and they've definitely caught up

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into that 5 gz race so here's our multi

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our performance core ratio multiplier 55

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so it's that times 100 how we get the

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5500 and then the efficiency core at 4.3

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now what I'm going to do right now is I

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actually have to go

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into you know what I'm going to click

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automatic overclock and see what happens

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I haven't done this in a

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while let's just see if it actually does

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anything

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useful okay so it lifted at 100 MHz on

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each and lifted the offset by 20 molts

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well the attemp went to 9 DC immediately

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there's 55 all core now we drop 54 hey

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it's actually doing something look at

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our TDP right there 330 WTS 903c on the

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core and we are getting the 5.5 GHz all

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core you notice we have 5.6 selected and

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we're not getting 56 we're actually at

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54 right now and that's because of the

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fact that it probably upped our power

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limit to that 330 Mark which means that

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with our voltage being extremely high

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right now at

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1.33 we're not even getting the number

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we put in we're still not even getting

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sustained advertis

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numbers and we've added clock speed and

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we've added voltage so the power and

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current limits optimized gave us a limit

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of 330 which is what I thought just

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based on what I saw right there 425 amps

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and then know so now we can actually

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adjust this sort of stuff but I'm going

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to go 5 six I'm going try 57 allore at

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stock voltages let the 330 be the thing

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I'm not going to update the voltage yeah

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so you're immediately down to 5.5 GHz

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we're at

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323 Watts 91c now this is this is where

07:29

Asic quality really starts to play a

07:31

role where if we have a really good CPU

07:34

that will allow us to undervolt and

07:35

overclock then we'll get really good

07:37

performance here and I think 330 watt is

07:39

a safe limit to have because of the fact

07:42

that we know the 360 cooler can handle

07:43

that anything more than that would

07:45

require some exotic cooling probably

07:46

something chilled or or Beyond room temp

07:49

there's a

07:51

38835 but this is still underperforming

07:53

so much versus what I would expect I've

07:55

gotten for or 13900 K to be nearly

07:57

40,000 and above 40,000 this so far

08:00

would start to be a lot of tuning and a

08:01

lot of work for 300 MHz now what's more

08:06

important than quote unquote

08:07

overclocking these days is just getting

08:09

our advertised speeds for sustained

08:13

periods of time so here's what we're

08:14

going to do again we're going to drop

08:16

this back down to

08:17

5.5 we're going to leave the efficiency

08:19

core at uh 43 which is

08:24

stock and what I'm going to do is I'm

08:26

going to I want to leave the enhanced

08:28

limits cuz we know we need more power

08:30

limit to get it done but I'm going to

08:32

start playing with a offset here I'm

08:33

going to go minus 50

08:35

molts and let's see if this will allow

08:39

us to get all I'm trying to do now screw

08:42

overclocking I'm just trying to get that

08:43

allore number to stay all the time now

08:45

the thing is while gaming and stuff

08:46

right now with a lesser load it would

08:48

probably stay at 5'5 just fine but

08:50

overclocks are not considered stable

08:53

unless they can handle extreme workloads

08:55

like this without crashing like there's

08:56

game stable there's like General usage

08:59

stable and then there's like stress test

09:01

table and stress test table is the only

09:03

one that we really truly care about okay

09:05

there's 55 all

09:07

core 84c still at

09:11

55 84 83 so that looks like we have a

09:14

pretty good comparison there where

09:16

temperature is not going to cause us to

09:19

drop 55 the entire

09:22

time there's a 38329 so you see all I

09:26

did was I didn't overclock anything I

09:28

just dropped how much voltage it needed

09:29

um yeah we're only pulling 288 Watts

09:31

right now which is nice at 5.5 GHz but

09:34

as you can see the stock speeds couldn't

09:36

sustain that but the stock 253 watt

09:38

because the up two and the 253 watt

09:41

limit were never going to allow full

09:43

load to sustain those types of clocks

09:46

but I do want to see now if we can do a

09:47

56 allcore overclock at a minus 50 now

09:51

we're overclocking technically because

09:52

we are above the 5.5 recommended not

09:55

recommended but stated Max up two speeds

09:59

we stay at 56 the whole time there's a

10:01

38729 so not a huge gain but voltage and

10:04

frequency are linked so as frequency

10:06

goes up voltage goes up with it so now

10:09

I'm going to try minus

10:10

60 so now we drop to 307

10:13

309 or 89c

10:16

so this is also a spike right this is

10:18

the max temp so that means it hit 91 for

10:20

a second we're at 8889 now so we drop 3

10:24

c 2 c 3 C but there also will become a

10:27

point where you'll see the clocks the

10:29

stain but if you drop the voltage too

10:31

far you'll notice the score drops even

10:34

though the frequency stays the same and

10:35

the reason for that is because of the

10:37

lower uh available wattage to it and

10:39

that wattage um voltage linear frequency

10:43

scale you might there might be uh

10:46

frequency changes happening too quickly

10:47

to actually see in the software but the

10:50

frequency might be doing quick micro

10:52

adjustments that's enough to actually

10:54

affect the score so once you start to

10:55

see the score go down if you can if

10:57

you're like I can keep undervolting this

10:59

is is great you might notice performance

11:00

going down with it and stability is

11:02

still being there I'm going to drop down

11:04

to minus 80 and see if we can sustain

11:05

that if so then I might push the

11:07

efficiency cores up to 46 now we're

11:09

technically in overclocking territory oh

11:11

see we actually drop score right there

11:12

is a 39634 so I'm going to run this

11:14

again just to see if we continue like we

11:16

lost 200 points by dropping our voltage

11:19

I want to make sure not we're not

11:20

getting like micro throttling with the

11:23

frequency here that could have just been

11:25

a weird back-to-back run on that one

11:28

yeah we lost more points

11:30

39577 so I'm going to go- 75 and see if

11:34

that 5 molts helps you'd be surprised

11:35

what 5 molts can actually do it's a

11:38

39779 okay so let's try 46 eor oh

11:43

there's a hard system

11:45

lock so this video right now was not

11:47

about showing

11:49

you how to overclock it is showing you

11:53

how much work is actually kind of

11:54

involved to get a very mediocre

11:58

overclock overclocking The Way We Know

12:01

It And used to know it is very very

12:05

different than 10 years ago my best

12:08

overclocking CPU I ever owned was a

12:11

e6300 core2 Duo 1.86 GHz processor that

12:16

I ran at

12:17

3.34 GHz for its entire life almost

12:22

double the rated

12:24

speed it was two cores and no

12:26

hyperthreading that actually was

12:28

hyperthreading I don't remember I cannot

12:29

remember if it was hyperthreaded or not

12:31

but all I know is the frequency it ran

12:32

at was insane I ran that CPU for years

12:36

and then gave it to my brother-in-law

12:39

where he ran it until he killed the

12:40

motherboard completely unrelated to the

12:42

CPU that CPU never complained about

12:46

temperatures or frequency that was some

12:48

one of the most underrated CPUs ever but

12:51

back in the day you know we would be

12:52

able to push our our frequ we would see

12:54

CPU frequencies pushed 1,000 MHz above

12:57

its posted speeds but because the

12:59

hardware is being pushed to its limits

13:00

now because of the CPU race that took

13:02

place ever since ryzen came out with AMD

13:05

giving actual danger to Intel's market

13:07

share when it comes to desktop Computing

13:09

we saw this Race For Speed for clock

13:12

speed so essentially the manufacturers

13:16

like Intel and AMD have found ways to

13:20

push their CPUs to the Limit as close to

13:22

the Limit as they possibly can out of

13:24

the box I those updates underway push

13:26

the limits as far as they can out of the

13:28

box leaving us very little Headroom to

13:30

be able to actually kind of overclock

13:32

now gpus let's talk about gpus for a

13:34

second here I don't even really need to

13:35

demonstrate this one every single GPU

13:38

you plop on your computer on your

13:40

motherboard and fire up like MSI

13:42

afterburner and monitor your speeds

13:44

every single one of them will go beyond

13:46

where they're advertised they will Auto

13:48

overclock and that's by Design because

13:50

it's called GPU boost for NVIDIA um AMD

13:54

has other uh like Auto overclocks and

13:56

rage mode and stuff like that which are

13:58

not quite as a aggressive cuz AMD is

14:00

still kind of figuring out the the the

14:02

Silicon limits and stuff when it comes

14:04

to their gpus so they don't actually

14:05

allow you to push them too too far

14:07

there's a lot of modding required to

14:08

really push an AMD GPU but Nvidia on the

14:11

other hand when it comes to GPU boost

14:13

we're in GPU boost 3 plus territory now

14:16

where back in the day it used to push

14:18

the frequency if there was available

14:20

temperature Headroom then they GP boost

14:23

would allow it to push the frequency

14:24

with temperature Headroom and power

14:26

limit Headroom where it could go beyond

14:28

specified power limits see back in the

14:30

earlier days of GPU boost uh 1.0 you

14:33

could actually modify the voltage slider

14:35

you could actually move the voltage

14:37

slider and have it affect actual voltage

14:39

to the GPU giving you proper like real

14:42

overclock overclockability when it comes

14:44

to the end user once GPU Boost 2.0

14:47

allowed for power limit adjustment the

14:50

control of the voltage stopped being

14:53

accessible to the end user where all you

14:54

could do is control the voltage slider

14:56

what I mean by that is like I referenced

14:58

with the c you have there's a frequency

15:00

and a voltage uh correlation like

15:02

correlation between the two if you move

15:04

up the frequency the voltage moves with

15:05

it all you can do with Nvidia now when

15:08

it comes to the voltage slider is move

15:10

where that slider is what I mean is you

15:12

can up the voltage at a sooner frequency

15:14

but you can't exceed the voltage that is

15:16

by design that voltage is locked down

15:18

you can't exceed it unless you go and do

15:20

voltage mods and shut mods and custom

15:22

voltage controller soldering and all

15:24

that sort of stuff now we're talking

15:25

exoc or extreme overclocking so

15:27

overclocking on the GPU hasn't even fun

15:29

because of the fact that you just we're

15:30

already in the 2700 2800 mher range and

15:34

you might overclock at 300 MHz we're

15:36

talking just over 10% which would be

15:39

very difficult to actually notice in

15:40

games an additional 10% of frames on a

15:43

high-end GPU and most people spend their

15:45

time overclocking the high-end gpus

15:46

because there's nowhere above that to go

15:48

tier-wise so you have to overclock it so

15:51

overclocking as we know it in the past

15:53

is kind of dead I mean now all we're

15:57

trying to do is just tame the monster

15:59

monsters that are asking for enormous

16:02

amounts of power and TDP to be cooled

16:05

which is now making things like water

16:07

cooling relevant again so that's why I

16:10

think this year I'm going to bring water

16:11

cooling month back in the summertime

16:13

where we just do all kinds of water

16:14

cooling projects and videos and stuff

16:16

and playing around with it because of

16:17

the fact that the high-end CPUs and the

16:20

high-end gpus are definitely demanding I

16:22

mean we're talking 600 WT gpus we're

16:25

talking over 300 WT CPUs from Intel with

16:28

a a

16:29

like multi-core enhancement and msis

16:32

whatever they call it trickery like all

16:34

of the motherboards are pushing the CPUs

16:35

beyond their 253 watt for 1490 or 14900

16:39

K and I think it's like 270 watt or 230

16:42

watt or 220 watt for I can't remember

16:44

anyway every CPU has its own maximum

16:46

wattage every motherboard is pushing

16:48

those Beyond because they're trying to

16:50

push the frequencies as far as they can

16:52

out of the box so it's nice that the

16:54

overclocking is kind of being done for

16:55

you but if you like the fun of tinkering

16:57

and overclocking like me

16:59

they sort of took all that away that's

17:02

kind of depressing how do you guys feel

17:04

about it anytime I've done overclocking

17:05

videos in the past I see a plethora of

17:07

comments saying overclocking is stupid

17:09

why would you

17:10

overclock why not why did anyone decide

17:13

at one point let's take two cars and see

17:15

you can go faster that

17:16

way