Massive Developments in Fani Willis Disqualification Case, with Julian Epstein and Phil Holloway
Summary
TLDRThe Georgia Appellate Court has agreed to hear an appeal in the Fanny Willis case, where concerns are raised over a potential conflict of interest and her conduct in handling the case. The appeal process will involve briefing by the parties and oral arguments, with a decision to be made by a majority of a three-judge panel. If two judges agree with the defense, Willis may be disqualified, which could effectively end the case due to the remaining taint on the case. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of politically motivated legal actions, the potential for abuse of the legal system, and the importance of integrity within the legal profession.
Takeaways
- 📰 The Georgia Appellate Court has agreed to hear the appeal in the Fanny Willis case, which could potentially lead to her disqualification from the case.
- ⏳ The court of appeals had a 45-day window to decide whether to hear the case, which was expedited due to the unusual nature of the interlocutory appeal.
- 👥 The appeal will be heard by a panel of three judges, and it will require a majority decision to disqualify Fanny Willis and possibly dismiss the case.
- 🚫 If Willis is disqualified, the case's future is uncertain as no other prosecutor may want to take on a case with such a 'stench of mendacity'.
- 🤔 The identity of the three judges on the panel is not yet known, which leaves uncertainty about the case's outcome.
- 🛑 The speaker believes that once the case is officially on appeal, the trial judge may be divested of jurisdiction, potentially halting proceedings at the trial level.
- 💣 The case could be significantly impacted if two judges believe Willis should be disqualified, leading to a de facto end of the case.
- 🚨 There are concerns about the potential for perjury charges against Willis due to inconsistencies in her statements.
- 🤨 The speaker criticizes the timing of legal cases against Donald Trump, suggesting it's an abuse of authority and election interference.
- 👮♂️ The legal profession is portrayed negatively by cases like these, where the justice system is made a mockery of through alleged false testimonies and misconduct.
- 📉 The credibility of the legal system is at risk when high-profile cases are mishandled, potentially encouraging similar behavior by others in the future.
Q & A
What is the significance of the Georgia Appellate Court taking up the Fanny Willis case?
-The Georgia Appellate Court's decision to take up the Fanny Willis case is significant because it suggests that there may be a potential conflict of interest and concerns about her conduct in bringing the case. This could lead to her disqualification and possibly the dismissal of the case.
What is an interlocutory appeal and why is it unusual in this context?
-An interlocutory appeal is an appeal taken from an order that is not a final judgment in a case. It is unusual in this context because typically, appeals are made after a case has been concluded. However, in this case, the trial judge allowed the parties to appeal his order before the trial, which is not a common practice.
What does it mean if two judges on the panel of three agree with the defense?
-If two judges on the three-judge panel agree with the defense, it could lead to the disqualification of Fanny Willis and potentially the dismissal of the case. This is because a majority decision is required for such a significant action.
Why would another prosecutor be hesitant to take on the case if Fanny Willis is disqualified?
-Another prosecutor might be hesitant to take on the case because the 'odor of mendacity' or the perception of dishonesty would remain, making it difficult to proceed effectively. Additionally, they would likely have to start the case from scratch, which is a significant undertaking.
When will it be known which panel will hear the appeal?
-The exact timing is not specified, but it is mentioned that the case will have to be assigned to a panel. These assignments are subject to rotation, and it will be a different panel than the one that agreed to hear the case initially.
What is the current status of the trial court's jurisdiction once the case is officially on appeal?
-Once the case is officially on appeal, the trial court is divested of jurisdiction to take any action. This means that the trial proceedings would likely be halted until the appellate court makes a decision.
What are the potential consequences for Donald Trump if Fanny Willis is disqualified?
-If Fanny Willis is disqualified, the case could potentially go away for Donald Trump. This is significant because it would remove one of the legal challenges he is facing.
What is the speaker's opinion on the timing of the New York case against Donald Trump?
-The speaker finds the timing of the New York case, brought just before an election, to be outrageous and views it as a form of election interference. They believe it is an abuse of authority.
What concerns does the speaker have about the use of racketeering laws in this case?
-The speaker is concerned that the use of racketeering laws in this case is almost unprecedented and may not be appropriate for the circumstances, suggesting potential legal overreach.
What are the allegations against Fanny Willis regarding her personal conduct?
-Fanny Willis is accused of having a conflict of interest due to her dislike of Donald Trump and her fundraising for one of his opponents. Additionally, there are allegations of a potential kickback scheme involving an unqualified boyfriend to whom she allegedly paid a large sum, which he then kicked back to her.
What does the speaker believe is the impact of these legal cases on the justice system?
-The speaker believes that these cases, often referred to as 'lawfare,' make a mockery of the judicial system and are embarrassing. They feel that such behavior is not representative of how the court system or lawyers should operate.
What is the speaker's reaction to Nathan Wade's interview on ABC?
-The speaker is critical of Nathan Wade's interview, suggesting that Wade's testimony about his personal life and relationship with Fanny Willis is inconsistent with what was stated in court. The speaker accuses Wade of lying under oath and believes that this behavior undermines the integrity of the legal profession.
Outlines
🏛️ Georgia Appellate Court's Decision on Fanny Willis Case
The Georgia Appellate Court has decided to hear the appeal regarding Fanny Willis, suggesting a potential disqualification from the case. The decision comes after concerns about Willis' conflict of interest and alleged irresponsible behavior. The court of appeals has agreed to hear the case despite it being an interlocutory appeal, which is unusual. The next phase involves briefing by the parties and oral arguments in front of a three-judge panel. If two judges agree with the defense, Willis could be disqualified, and the case might be dismissed. The identity of the judges on the panel is unknown, and the implications of the case's outcome are significant, as it could lead to a restart of the case under a new prosecutor, which would be challenging due to the 'odor of mendacity' remaining with the case.
🤔 Conflict of Interest and Legal Ethics in the Fanny Willis Case
The discussion highlights the potential conflict of interest and legal ethics issues in the Fanny Willis case. There are concerns about her personal dislike for Donald Trump and the implications it may have on the case. The narrative also touches on the broader issue of 'lawfare' and the timing of legal cases being brought up close to elections, which some argue is a form of election interference. The speaker criticizes the behavior of both sides, warning that such tactics may be reciprocated by the opposing party when in power. The summary also mentions Nathan Wade's interview, where he discusses the personal scrutiny he faced and the allegations of lying under oath in court proceedings. The speaker expresses disappointment in the legal profession due to these actions, which they believe undermine the judicial system.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Georgia Appellate Court
💡Conflict of Interest
💡Irresponsible Behavior
💡Interlocutory Appeal
💡Disqualification
💡Prosecutorial Misconduct
💡Mendacity
💡Election Interference
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💡Abuse of Authority
💡Lawfare
💡Perjury
Highlights
The Georgia Appellate Court has agreed to hear the appeal in the Fanny Willis case, which could lead to her disqualification.
The decision to hear the appeal was made within the 45-day discretionary period allowed by the court.
The case involves allegations of conflict of interest and irresponsible behavior by Fanny Willis.
The trial judge allowed an interlocutory appeal before the trial, which is an unusual step.
The appeal process will involve briefing by the parties and oral arguments in front of a three-judge panel.
A majority decision (two out of three judges) is required to disqualify Fanny Willis.
The defense is also asking for the case to be dismissed in addition to Willis' disqualification.
There is uncertainty about which three judges will be on the panel to hear the appeal.
If two judges believe Willis should be disqualified, the case could be effectively over.
The presence of a conflict of interest could deter other prosecutors from taking the case.
The appeal's official status may pause the trial court's proceedings due to the appellate court's jurisdiction.
The potential disqualification of Fanny Willis could lead to the dismissal of the case against Donald Trump.
The use of racketeering laws in this case is considered almost unprecedented.
Fanny Willis is alleged to have been involved in a kickback scheme, which could lead to perjury charges.
The handling of the case and the timing of legal actions are seen as potentially politically motivated and abusive of authority.
The legal profession is criticized for the behavior of some lawyers and the abuse of the legal system in such cases.
Nathan Wade's interview on ABC and his testimony in court regarding his relationship status appear to be contradictory.
The case has broader implications for the legal system and the potential for reciprocal abuse of power by opposing political parties.
Transcripts
how about the Georgia Appellate Court
taking up the fanny Willis Case
suggesting maybe she is going to get
dced from this thing after all tell us
this the the headlines
here yeah so today uh I got a text
message right when the news was breaking
and so I immediately took to to X and
posted it out there and you know it's
it's as I predicted the court of appeals
because this issue of fonny will and
whether she has a conflict of interest
and how she has uh behaved quite frankly
in in an irresponsible way in bringing
this case because it's such an important
issue the trial judge uh took the
unusual step of allowing the parties to
take his order up on appeal uh with you
know prior to the trial it's it's an
interlocutory appeal is what we call it
it's unusual but it can happen but the
court of appeals also has to agree to
hear it Megan it's discretionary so they
had like 45 days and the Clock Was
ticking I think it was going to be
Monday today they said yes we are going
to agree to hear the appeal and so now
we move on to the next phase there's
going to have to be briefing by the
parties and of course oral argument in a
couple of months and it's going to be
heard by a panel of three judges and
it's going to take of course a majority
of that so two judges on the panel of
three are going to have to decide with
with the defense in order to disqualify
by Fon Willis but that's not all they're
asking that the case be dismissed in
addition to her being disqualified what
we don't know is who we're going to get
on the panel what who are the three
judges we just don't know that right now
but if there's two judges that at a
minimum believe that she should be
disqualified the case is going to be
effectively over because there's no
other prosecutor in their right mind
that would want it because Megan the
odor of mendacity will remain in the
case even if another prosecutor gets on
it and it's irreparable they would have
to start over from scratch and it's just
a kind of thing that's too big of an ask
for another prosecutor if they get when
do we find out when do we find out which
panel they pulled to hear this
appeal well I we don't know yet it's
going to have to be assigned to a panel
uh and of course these things rotate
right it it's not the same panel I don't
believe that agreed to hear it it's
going to be a second panel so we're
going to have at this point at least six
judges involved in the decision the
combined decision to to take the case
and then what to do with it so we don't
yet know how it's going to be assigned
but that's going to be something
obviously we're going to have to watch
very closely does the case keep moving
Phil does the case keep moving in the
meantime while they take this up on
appeal does fanny Willis get to go
forward at the trial level until now I'm
of the belief that it does not because
once the case goes up on appeal and up
until today it was not officially on
appeal now it's officially on appeal and
so I think maybe the argument was that
some of the other business of the court
trial court could continue I am of the
belief that now that the case is
officially in the court of appeals that
the trial judges divested of
jurisdiction to take any action and I
think even if it's unwise because you
don't want to do a whole lot of work uh
preparing the case gearing it up for
trial if it turns out the prosecutor
who's representing the state at these
pre-trial matters is not supposed to be
there so I think that as a
bombshell that that is just a true
bombshell Julian I don't know how
closely you follow this but Phil and we
were on this case very from the
beginning in a very detailed way and
this is huge I mean this is we talked
about the inside straight um Georgia
very very well could go away if Fanny
Willis gets disqualified it's done and
this one needs to go away for Trump
because he can't on the two Federal
cases he can pull the prosecutor off but
he can't pull them off of New York and
Georgia New York's going to be resolved
before November then there's Georgia
lingering oh I think this case will go
away I mean look I was critical of what
Donald Trump did with Rosenberger in
Georgia um I don't know that it crossed
the line into criminal Behavior I have
my concerns about that I've written
about that uh the use of the
racketeering laws is is almost
unprecedented in a circumstance like
this and remember fonny Willis herself
was conflicted just the way Bragg was
conflicted and Leticia James were
conflicted she held a fundraiser for one
of the opponents of the target of the
initial investigation uh so she was
deeply conflicted and she's been very
clear about her dislike of Donald Trump
these conflicts with these prosecutors
are are a big deal and then when it
crosses over into what she was accused
of which was basically a kickback scheme
in which she hired an unqualified
boyfriend spent over half a million
dollars sent him over hundred half
million dollars he was then kicking that
money back to her she claimed she paid
it back but she's got no records it was
all in cash I mean sort of all of that
stuff is just hard to swallow so I think
not only will on appeal is there likely
uh to be a finding of a conflict of
interest I think she's got to be careful
about potential perjury charges here but
this is another case where just it's
sort of you know this has become I sort
of sometimes wish Tom Wolf were still
alive because this is such great
material for sort of a discussion about
this charade that that a lot of this
lawfare has become I mean if Donald
Trump did something wrong uh there
should be consequences clearly but the
way that the left has behave bringing
these cases waiting eight years in the
case of the New York case we were just
discussing waiting four years in the
case of the election interference just
before the election it's outrageous this
is election interference what's
happening is bringing these cases and
I'm not a Donald Trump supporter I voted
for Hillary in 16 I voted for Biden in
in 20 I didn't vote for Donald Trump at
all but waiting to bring these cases
until the eve of election is abuse of
authority and at some point there needs
to be a reckoning here because this is
exactly the kind of thing that
Republicans are going to do to Democrats
when they get into power and Democrats
will have no one to blame but themselves
for not speaking up and for
countenancing the abuse of the legal
system the way it's being abused in
these cases well so so true Phil I've
been dying to ask you about Nathan
Wade's interview on ABC we ran this
sound by the other day on the show but
your reaction I'd really love can we run
sat uh
18 so you didn't realize when you took
the case your life was really going to
be under a microscope I did not realize
that my life would be in danger the
microscope I don't have a problem with
um the truth is I you know if the worst
that you could find was the fact that I
uh had a relationship with someone or
that uh I
happen to be going through a divorce
that's okay that's that that's okay I I
I have nothing to to
hide that's the worst that you could
find that's what he that's how he Styles
what happened to him Phil that's you
know that they found out I was in a
relationship and got a
divorce well look when you're in a hole
the first thing you have to do is stop
digging and I wonder if the judges on
the court of appeals were watching this
news this week because that was just a
couple couple of days ago right and just
today we get the news that of course the
disqualification issue is is going to be
before the court of
appeals his testimony as I recall it his
and hers by the way from the
disqualification hearings with that was
that they were no longer a romantic item
before the Trump indictment which I
think was the first week of August of
2023 in that interview he said that they
ended their relationship towards the end
of 2023 well which one was it okay were
you were you telling the truth on ABC or
were you telling the truth uh under oath
in court or maybe neither one we just
don't know because you can't Square what
he's saying with to ABC with what was
said in court so it's just another
example of digging well but Phil we know
he perjured himself we know he purged
I'm Nathan Wade you can come sue me you
lied under oath in your divorce
proceedings sue me if I'm not saying the
right thing go ahead bring it sue me if
that's not true you lied you lied under
oath in your divorce proceedings and I
believe you lied in your proceeding with
Fanny Willis but now he's trying to
forget like oh I just had a divorce Phil
that's the worst they could find on
me well that's not the worst they can
find the worst they found on him was
that he was uh arguably giving Kickbacks
after this no bid contract that his
girlfriend gave him to prosecute a case
that he had no business being on that's
the worst thing but on top of all of
that and it's not the fact that they
were sleeping together that I or anybody
really I think has a problem with it's
the fact of the money it's the fact of
the not telling the truth to the court
it's the fact of filing what I believe
in my opinion to be a false document in
affidavit in the court and what I
believe to be false testimony in court
that is turning the justice system on
its ear it's making a mockery of the
judicial system uh all of these law fair
cases make a mockery of it and it's it's
embarrassing it's embarrassing to me as
a member of the legal profession this is
not what the court system is supposed to
be about this is not how lawyers are
supposed to behave and it's the kind of
thing that makes me just feel it makes
me feel disgusting I mean it's just ugly
and it's the kind of she didn't ask him
any of that no follow-ups by that ABC
reporter she failed
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