Michael Cohen told me Stormy payment was 'his idea': ex-adviser

Fox News
16 May 202420:33

Summary

TLDRIn a courtroom discussion, former legal advisor Robert Costello shares insights on Michael Cohen's case involving President Trump. Costello, who testified before a grand jury, alleges that the grand jury was not shown all exculpatory evidence and that Cohen repeatedly claimed to have no incriminating information on Trump. He suggests Cohen's current testimony may be driven by revenge and monetization, rather than truth, and speculates that Cohen's desire to avoid jail and his disappointment at not joining Trump's Washington team could be influencing his actions. The conversation also touches on the potential bias of a New York jury and the strategic use of evidence in the trial.

Takeaways

  • 👨‍⚖️ The judge has taken the bench and proceedings are underway with Michael Cohen present in the courtroom.
  • 📧 The judge is addressing scheduling matters and reporters are sending emails from inside the courtroom.
  • 🎙️ Robert Costello, a former legal advisor to Michael Cohen, is being interviewed about his experiences and insights into the case.
  • 🗣️ Costello testified before Congress and the grand jury, sharing that Cohen told him he had nothing on Donald Trump.
  • 🚫 Costello expressed frustration with the grand jury process, stating that he felt the DA's office was selective in the evidence presented.
  • 📚 He emphasized the importance of the grand jury seeing all relevant documents in chronological order to understand the full context.
  • 💼 Cohen's handling of the Stormy Daniels NDA was discussed, with Costello stating that Cohen claimed it was his idea to handle the situation to avoid embarrassment for Melania Trump.
  • 💬 Cohen's change in narrative over time is highlighted, with Costello suggesting that Cohen's current testimony may not align with what he said in 2018 when he was desperate and suicidal.
  • 🤔 Costello speculates that the jury might be influenced by local sentiments against Trump, but also believes that the evidence does not support Cohen's claims.
  • 🏛️ The discussion touches on the absence of Allen Weisselberg, Trump's long-time accountant, from the witness list, suggesting that his testimony might not be beneficial to the prosecution.
  • 📝 Costello shares an email exchange indicating that he was acting as a back channel of communication between Cohen and Giuliani, which Cohen misrepresented in his testimony.

Q & A

  • What is the main topic of the trial discussed in the script?

    -The main topic of the trial discussed in the script is related to a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) involving Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels, which is being contested on the grounds that it is not a crime.

  • Who is Robert Costello and what is his relevance to the case?

    -Robert Costello is a former legal advisor to Michael Cohen. He represented Cohen at the start of the federal investigation and is now able to discuss the case due to being released from his attorney/client confidentiality agreement.

  • What did Robert Costello do before testifying before the grand jury?

    -Before testifying before the grand jury, Robert Costello gave Alvin Bragg's assistant D.A.s an hour and a half Zoom conference where he shared all of the exculpatory material he had, which they were supposed to present to the grand jury.

  • Why did Michael Cohen initially take out a home equity loan?

    -Michael Cohen took out a home equity loan for $130,000 to handle the NDA with Stormy Daniels because he did not want Melania Trump or his own wife to know about it, as per his statement to Robert Costello.

  • What was Robert Costello's experience with the grand jury's questioning?

    -Robert Costello felt that the questions asked by the grand jury were not going to elicit the exculpatory information he had provided. He expanded upon his answers, and the D.A.'s office tried to shut him down, which he resisted.

  • What did Robert Costello advise the grand jury to do regarding the documents he presented?

    -Robert Costello advised the grand jury to demand to see all the documents in chronological order to get a real view of Michael Cohen's actions and to question why certain documents were being withheld from them.

  • What was Michael Cohen's response when Robert Costello suggested he should cooperate with the investigation if he had truthful information on Donald Trump?

    -Michael Cohen repeatedly stated that he did not have anything on Donald Trump and was desperate for an escape route, but he did not take the opportunity to cooperate with truthful information against Donald Trump.

  • Why did Michael Cohen plead guilty to eight counts?

    -Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to eight counts, seven of which had nothing to do with Donald Trump. He later attempted to cooperate by making false claims to the U.S. Attorney's Office, which were disproven by the evidence Robert Costello had.

  • What is the significance of the checks signed by Donald Trump in the context of this trial?

    -The fact that Donald Trump signed the checks is not significant in proving any wrongdoing, according to Robert Costello. He believes that the checks are standard business practice and do not indicate any illegal activity.

  • What is Robert Costello's opinion on why Allen Weisselberg has not been a witness in the case so far?

    -Robert Costello suggests that if Allen Weisselberg had information helpful to the District Attorney, he would have been brought to testify. The fact that he has not been called suggests that his information may not be helpful to the prosecution's case.

  • What does Robert Costello believe about Michael Cohen's current motivation?

    -Robert Costello believes that Michael Cohen's motivation now is driven by revenge and the desire to monetize his situation by selling books and other items, as well as gaining attention and support from anti-Trump individuals.

  • Why does Robert Costello think Michael Cohen was telling the truth in 2018?

    -Costello believes Cohen was telling the truth in 2018 because he was desperate and looking for a way out, which would have been to cooperate against Trump if he had truthful information. However, Cohen repeatedly stated he had nothing on Trump.

  • What was Michael Cohen's expectation if he went to Washington, D.C. with Donald Trump?

    -Michael Cohen expected that he could become the Attorney General of the United States or at least the Chief of Staff to the President, indicating his disappointment when he was left behind in New York.

Outlines

00:00

📋 Grand Jury Testimony and Cohen's Alleged Lack of Evidence on Trump

The paragraph discusses Robert Costello's experience testifying before a grand jury, where he claims to have presented exculpatory evidence regarding Michael Cohen's dealings with Donald Trump. Costello, a former legal advisor to Cohen, alleges that the grand jury was not shown all the evidence he provided, which included emails and text messages. He suggests that the prosecution selectively used evidence and that he advised the grand jury to demand to see all documents in chronological order. Costello also recounts his interactions with Cohen, who insisted multiple times that he had no incriminating information on Trump. The paragraph ends with Costello's assertion that the trial is about something that is not a crime.

05:01

🤝 Cohen's Independent Actions and the Stormy Daniels NDA

This section delves into the specifics of the non-disclosure agreement (NDA) involving Stormy Daniels. Costello explains that Cohen independently decided to handle the NDA situation, taking out a home equity loan to cover the costs without the knowledge of his wife or Melania Trump. Cohen allegedly told Costello that he did not believe Daniels' allegations but found the potential claim embarrassing and chose to address it himself. The paragraph also touches on Cohen's subsequent legal troubles and his attempts to cooperate with authorities by making false claims against Giuliani and others, which were later dismissed.

10:02

🏛 The Role of Allen Weisselberg and Cohen's Testimony

The focus shifts to Allen Weisselberg, the long-time accountant for the Trump Organization, and questions why he has not been a witness in the case. Costello suggests that Weisselberg may not have information that would be beneficial to the prosecution. The discussion also addresses the nature of the charges against Trump and the inclusion of irrelevant details in the case. Costello expresses his opinion that the Trump-signed checks should not be considered significant evidence and predicts potential outcomes of the trial, including the possibility of a hung jury due to the political climate in New York City.

15:04

📬 Back Channel Communications and Cohen's Changing Narrative

This paragraph examines the role of Costello as a back channel of communication between Michael Cohen and Donald Trump's legal team. It includes an email exchange that shows Giuliani's awareness of the situation and his request to keep lines of communication open. Costello clarifies that the term 'back channel' was used by Giuliani and not himself, emphasizing that there was nothing sneaky about their communication. The paragraph also addresses Cohen's changing story and his current motivations, suggesting that Cohen is now seeking revenge and monetization through his anti-Trump stance.

20:07

🕵️‍♂️ Cohen's Testimony and Motivations

The final paragraph discusses Cohen's testimony in court and questions his truthfulness. Costello believes that Cohen's 2018 statements were more likely to be true, given his desperate state at the time. He contrasts this with Cohen's current well-rehearsed testimony and suggests that Cohen may have been lying during his initial interactions with Costello. The paragraph concludes with speculation on Cohen's motivations, including his desire for revenge and recognition, as well as the financial benefits he may be gaining from his anti-Trump activities.

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Keywords

💡Side Bar

A 'side bar' in a legal context refers to a private discussion that takes place out of earshot of the jury and courtroom spectators, typically between the judge and attorneys. In the video script, it is mentioned that the attorney for President Trump asked to approach for a sidebar discussion, indicating a moment of confidentiality needed to address some matter outside the main proceedings.

💡Attorney-Client Privilege

Attorney-client privilege is a legal principle that protects certain communications between a client and his or her attorney and keeps those communications confidential. The script mentions that the former legal advisor to Michael Cohen was released from his attorney-client confidentiality agreement, allowing him to discuss certain matters publicly that would otherwise be protected.

💡Grand Jury

A grand jury is a legal body that hears evidence of criminal allegations and decides whether there is enough evidence to bring an individual to trial. In the script, it is mentioned that the former legal advisor testified before Alvin Bragg's grand jury, indicating a formal legal proceeding where evidence is presented to determine the basis for charges against an individual.

💡Exculpatory Evidence

Exculpatory evidence refers to information that may exonerate a defendant by demonstrating their innocence or by undermining the prosecution's case. The script discusses how the former legal advisor provided exculpatory material to the grand jury, suggesting evidence that could potentially clear the defendant of the charges.

💡Hearsay

Hearsay is a legal term for secondary evidence, or an out-of-court statement offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted. It is generally not admissible in court. The script mentions hearsay in the context of discussing why certain documents were not put into evidence, with the concern being that they might be considered hearsay and thus inadmissible.

💡Business Records Exception

The business records exception is a rule in the law of evidence that allows records kept in the regular course of business to be admitted as an exception to the hearsay rule. The script refers to this exception, arguing that the documents in question were created and maintained as part of the regular course of business, thus making them admissible in court.

💡Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA)

A non-disclosure agreement (NDA) is a legally binding contract that establishes a confidential relationship between parties, typically to protect sensitive information or trade secrets. In the script, Michael Cohen discusses his involvement with an NDA related to Stormy Daniels, indicating an attempt to prevent public disclosure of certain information.

💡Perjury

Perjury is the act of lying or making false statements under oath in a court of law or during a legal proceeding. The script implies that Michael Cohen lied to Congress, which is a form of perjury, and that his truthfulness is in question regarding his testimony and actions.

💡Revenge

In the context of the script, 'revenge' refers to the motive behind Michael Cohen's actions, as suggested by the title of his book. It implies that his current behavior and testimony may be driven by a desire for personal retribution against Donald Trump rather than by a pursuit of justice.

💡Trump Derangement Syndrome

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a term used by some to describe an extreme negative reaction to former President Donald Trump, often implying an irrational or obsessive opposition. The script uses this term to suggest that the jury, being from New York City where a majority of voters did not support Trump, may be biased against him.

💡Back Channel

A 'back channel' refers to a means of communication that is covert or indirect. In the script, the term is used to describe the communication between the former legal advisor and Michael Cohen, suggesting a less formal or possibly secretive line of communication established for the purpose of the case.

Highlights

Bill initiates the discussion by setting the scene and mentioning the presence of the judge and Merchan, indicating the start of a significant legal proceeding.

Robert Costello, a former legal advisor to Michael Cohen, is brought in to provide insights, highlighting his relevance due to his past representation and current freedom from attorney-client confidentiality.

Costello reveals that he had provided exculpatory material to the Assistant D.A.s before testifying, which he believes was not adequately presented to the grand jury.

He describes his experience before the grand jury, where he felt the questions were not designed to elicit the exculpatory information he had, leading him to expand on his answers.

Costello details his interaction with the D.A.'s office during his grand jury testimony, where he insisted on not being interrupted and advocated for the presentation of all evidence.

He emphasizes the importance of business records as an exception to the hearsay rule and urges the grand jury to demand all documents for a comprehensive view.

Costello questions why certain documents were withheld from the grand jury and suggests that there might be an attempt to hide information.

He recounts his first meeting with Michael Cohen and explains the legality of non-disclosure agreements (NDAs), countering Cohen's fears.

Costello describes Cohen's state of mind during their initial interactions, including his suicidal tendencies and desperation for an escape route.

Cohen's insistence on having nothing on Donald Trump is highlighted, with Costello recounting multiple denials of any wrongdoing or possession of incriminating information.

Details of Cohen's handling of the Stormy Daniels NDA are provided, including his personal financial decisions and motivations.

Costello disputes Cohen's later claims of conspiracy, presenting evidence from emails and text messages that contradict Cohen's testimony.

He discusses the process that led to Cohen's decision not to cooperate with the U.S. Attorney's Office and the subsequent consequences.

Costello's perspective on why Allen Weisselberg has not been a witness in the case, suggesting that his testimony might not be beneficial to the prosecution.

The discussion touches on the significance of Donald Trump's signature on checks in relation to the case and the potential impact on the jury.

Costello shares his views on the jury composition and the potential bias against Donald Trump, given the political climate in New York City.

He addresses the concept of 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' and its potential influence on the jury's decision-making process.

Costello speculates on Cohen's motivations for his actions and statements, including the publication of his book 'Revenge' and his pursuit of financial gain.

The conversation concludes with Costello's belief that Cohen was truthful in their 2018 interactions and his assessment of Cohen's current mindset and motivations.

Transcripts

00:05

>> Bill: LET'S GET THIS GOING

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NOW.

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THE JUDGE IS ON THE BENCH.

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MERCHAN IS IN THERE.

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GETTING EMAILS FROM REPORTERS

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INSIDE THE COURTROOM.

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GREETS THE PARTIES, ASKED IF

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ANYTHING NEEDED TO BE TALKING

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ABOUT REGARDING SCHEDULING.

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THE ATTORNEY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP

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ASKED TO APPROACH AND THEY ARE

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NOW HAVING A SIDE BAR.

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WITH THAT LET'S BRING IN A

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FORMER LEGAL ADVISOR TO MICHAEL

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COHEN, ROBERT COSTELLO WHO

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REPRESENTED COHEN AT THE START

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OF THE FEDERAL INVESTIGATION AND

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RELEASED FROM HIS

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ATTORNEY/CLIENT CONFIDENTALITY

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AGREEMENT AND WHY YOU CAN TALK

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TO US.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY

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AND WE WATCHED YOU BEFORE

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CONGRESS YESTERDAY.

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THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE.

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THIS IS PART OF WHAT YOU HAD

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SAID TO CONGRESS YESTERDAY.

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YOU SAID COHEN TOLD YOU, I SWEAR

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TO GOD, BOB, I DON'T HAVE

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ANYTHING ON DONALD TRUMP.

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NOW, YOU TESTIFIED BEFORE ALVIN

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BRAGG'S GRAND JURY.

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DID YOU TELL THEM WHAT YOU TOLD

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CONGRESS YESTERDAY?

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>> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING YOU

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BRING THAT UP BECAUSE WHEN --

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BEFORE I TESTIFIED ON A MONDAY,

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BEFORE THE GRAND JURY, I GAVE

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ALVIN BRAGG'S ASSISTANT D.A.s

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THE COURTESY OF AN HOUR AND A

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HALF ZOOM CONFERENCE WHERE I

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TOLD THEM ALL OF THE EXCULPATORY

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MATERIAL THAT I HAD THAT THEY

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WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT BEFORE THE

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GRAND JURY.

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BUT WHEN I APPEARED BEFORE THE

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GRAND JURY, THEY WERE ASKING ME

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QUESTIONS THAT IN MY OPINION --

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I'VE BEEN A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR

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MYSELF, DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE

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CRIMINAL DIVISION IN THE

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SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.

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THOSE QUESTIONS THEY WERE ASKING

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ME WERE NOT GOING TO ILLICIT THE

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EXCULPATORY INFORMATION THAT I

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HAD.

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SO I BEGAN TO EXPAND UPON MY

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ANSWERS AND THE D.A.'S OFFICE

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WAS TRYING TO SHUT ME DOWN

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SAYING THAT I HAD FINISHED MY

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ANSWER.

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AND I TOLD THEM THAT WHEN I'M IN

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THE MIDDLE OF ANSWERING A

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QUESTION I'LL DECIDE WHEN I

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FINISH MY ANSWER AND I ASKED

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THEM NOT TO INTERRUPT ME AGAIN.

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BASICALLY THEY ONLY PUT IN A

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SMALL CHERRY-PICKED GROUP OF

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EMAILS I PRESENTED, MAYBE 200 TO

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300 EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES TO

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THEM.

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I HAD THEM WITH ME LUCKILY IN

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CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.

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THEY PUT TWO OR THREE INTO

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EVIDENCE.

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I ASKED THEM ARE YOU GOING TO

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PUT THE REST OF THEM INTO

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EVIDENCE AND THEY SAID NO.

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AND I SAID REMEMBER, THERE IS A

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COURT REPORTER THERE.

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I SAID WHY NOT?

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THEY SAID THERE IS A LEGAL

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ISSUE.

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HE SAID HEARSAY.

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FIRST OF ALL IT'S ADMISSIBLE IN

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A GRAND JURY.

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NOT AN OBJECTION.

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I PLAYED ALONG.

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HEARSAY, PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO

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THE NEXT TWO SENTENCES.

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I SAID THESE DOCUMENTS WERE MADE

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IN THE REGULAR COURSE OF

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BUSINESS.

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IT WAS THE REGULAR COURSE OF

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BUSINESS TO MAKE AND MAINTAIN

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DOCUMENTS SUCH AS THESE AT OR

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ABOUT THE DATES INDICATED.

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YOU AND I KNOW BUT THE GRAND

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JURORS DON'T KNOW THAT MAKES

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THESE DOCUMENTS BUSINESS RECORDS

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AND YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT THE

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GRAND JURORS DON'T KNOW THAT

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BUSINESS RECORDS ARE AN

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EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.

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ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE REST OF

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THE DOCUMENTS INTO EVIDENCE?

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AND THEY INDICATED MOST LIKELY

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NO.

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SO I SIMPLY SAID TO THE GRAND

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JURORS I SAID YOU PEOPLE SHOULD

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DEMAND THESE DOCUMENTS.

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YOU SHOULD DEMAND TO SEE

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EVERYTHING IN CHRONOLOGICAL

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ORDER SO YOU GET A REAL VIEW OF

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WHAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS LIKE IN

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THOSE DAYS AT THAT MOMENT IN

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TIME.

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I SAID AND THEN ASK YOURSELF

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THIS QUESTION.

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WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO KEEP

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THESE DOCUMENTS FROM ME?

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WELL AFTER THAT I LEFT THE GRAND

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JURY.

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I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THEY PUT

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THE DOCUMENTS INTO EVIDENCE OR

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WHAT HAPPENED.

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BUT SUBSEQUENTLY DONALD TRUMP

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WAS INDICTED.

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AND YOU HAVE SEEN THE FRUITS OF

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THAT INDICTMENT IN THIS TRIAL,

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WHICH IS A TRIAL ABOUT SOMETHING

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THAT IS NOT A CRIME.

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WHEN I MET WITH MICHAEL COHEN ON

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THE FIRST DAY AT THE REGENCY OH

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HOLE WHEN HE WAS SUICIDAL BY HIS

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OWN ADMISSION, I EXPLAINED TO

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HIM NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS,

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NDAs ARE PERFECTLY LEGAL BECAUSE

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HE KEPT ON SAYING WHY ARE THEY

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TRYING TO PUT ME IN JAIL FOR AN

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NDA?

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I EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT'S NOT

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WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT YOU

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IN JAIL.

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THEY THINK YOU HAVE DONE OTHER

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THINGS.

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WHAT ARE THEY?

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HE DENIED HAVING DONE ANYTHING

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ELSE.

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I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.

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I'M COOPERATING WITH THE SPECIAL

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COUNSEL, I'M COOPERATING WITH

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CONGRESS.

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BECAUSE HE FORGET TO TELL US

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THAT HE LIED TO CONGRESS.

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BUT HE WAS DESPERATELY SEEKING

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ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WORDS, AN

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ESCAPE ROUTE.

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I WANT YOU GUYS TO TELL ME HOW

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TO GET OUT OF THIS.

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HE SAW THESE ENORMOUS LEGAL

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PROBLEMS COMING HIS WAY.

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THEY WERE SO BAD IN HIS MIND HE

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WAS WILLING TO KILL HIMSELF.

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I KEPT ON GOING BACK AND

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SUGGESTING TO HIM LISTEN,

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MICHAEL, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING

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TRUTHFUL ON DONALD TRUMP, NOW IS

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THE TIME TO COOPERATE.

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AND HE KEPT ON SAYING OVER AND

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OVER AGAIN TEN TO 20 TIMES, I

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SWEAR TO GOD, BOB, I DON'T HAVE

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ANYTHING ON DONALD TRUMP.

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I EVEN SAID TO HIM MICHAEL,

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THINK ABOUT THIS?

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ISN'T IT EASIER TO COOPERATE

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AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IF YOU HAVE

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TRUTHFUL INFORMATION THAN IT IS

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TO KILL YOURSELF?

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THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS.

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THAT WAS HIS MOMENT IN TIME.

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IF HE HAD SOMETHING TRUTHFUL TO

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SAY I'M WILLING TO COOPERATE.

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HE DIDN'T TAKE THAT.

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HE KEPT ON SAYING I HAVE NOTHING

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ON DONALD TRUMP.

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AND THEN WHEN WE GOT INTO THE

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DISCUSSION OF THE STORMY DANIELS

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NDA HE SAID SPECIFICALLY -- AND

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I CROSS-EXAMINED HIM ON THIS --

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THIS WAS MY IDEA.

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IT WAS HIS IDEA TO TAKE CARE OF

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THE NDA BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN

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CONTACTED BY A LAWYER FOR STORMY

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DANIELS WHO SAID SHE WAS GOING

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TO CLAIM THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD

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SEX WITH HER.

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COHEN SAID I DIDN'T BELIEVE THE

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ALLEGATION BUT NEVERTHELESS IT

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WOULD BE EMBARRASSING TO

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MELANIA.

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I DECIDED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS

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MYSELF.

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NOW, HE TOOK OUT A HOME EQUITY

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LOAN FOR $130,000 AND USED THAT

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AND HE DID TELL US THAT HE GOT

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REPAID LATER.

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WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS

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OF THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT

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WHAT WE WERE FOCUSED ON AT THE

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MOMENT.

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WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT

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WHAT WAS MICHAEL COHEN GOING TO

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BE CHARGED WITH BY THE SOUTHERN

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DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.

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THEN AS YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY HE

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PLED GUILTY TO EIGHT COUNTS,

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SEVEN OF WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO

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WITH DONALD TRUMP AND AFTER THAT

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ATTEMPTED TO COOPERATE BY

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TELLING FIBS TO THE U.S.

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ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT RUDY

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GIULIANI AND I CONSPIRED TO

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OBSTRUCT JUSTICE AND TAMPER WITH

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A WITNESS, THE WITNESS BEING

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MICHAEL COHEN.

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WITH ALL THESE EMAILS AND TEXT

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MESSAGES I HAD IT WAS ABSOLUTELY

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CLEAR THERE WAS NO TRUTH

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WHATSOEVER TO THAT.

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SO THE U.S. ATTORNEY SAID TO

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MICHAEL COHEN IN ORDER FOR US TO

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INVESTIGATE THIS YOU HAVE TO

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WAIVE THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT

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PRIVILEGE.

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WHEN THEY PRESENTED ME WITH THE

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WAIVER I GAVE THEM THE DOCUMENTS

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THEY REQUESTED AND WENT DOWN AND

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INTERVIEWED FOR A COUPLE OF

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HOURS WITH TWO F.B.I. AGENTS AND

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TWO ATTORNEYS.

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AT THE END OF THE INTERVIEW

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EVERYBODY WAS LAUGHING BECAUSE I

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SHOWED HOW LUDICROUS THE

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ACCUSATION WAS.

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THEY NEVER USED MICHAEL COHEN

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AGAIN.

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THEY DIDN'T INDICT DONALD TRUMP

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FOR ANYTHING AND THEY DIDN'T USE

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MICHAEL COHEN AND NO CREDIT FOR

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HIS COOPERATION.

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THAT'S A LESSON THE MANHATTAN

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D.A.'S OFFICE SHOULD HAVE

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LEARNED BUT THEY DIDN'T.

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>> Dana: YOU SAID THE GRAND JURY

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DIDN'T GET TO HEAR SOME OF THE

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THINGS YOU THOUGHT THEY SHOULD

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HEAR.

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FOR ALL OF US LISTENING TO YOU

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NOW IT IS LIKE WOW, THE JURY

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SHOULD PROBABLY HEAR THIS.

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HAVE YOU BEEN SUBPOENAED BY THE

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DEFENSE AND CALLED TO TESTIFY IN

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NEW YORK AT THIS TRIAL?

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>> I HAVE NOT BEEN SUBPOENAEDED.

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WHETHER I WILL BE CALLED TO

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TESTIFY HASN'T BEEN DECIDED YET.

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IT PROBABLY DEPENDS A LOT ON

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WHAT WILL HAPPEN TODAY IN COURT.

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AND THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON

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REDIRECT BY THE DISTRICT

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ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

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IF I WERE IN THE ATTORNEY'S

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SHOES THAT'S A ANALYSIS I WOULD

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MAKE.

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>> Dana: WOULD YOU CALL YOU TO

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TESTIFY IF YOU WERE IN HIS

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SHOES?

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>> YES, BECAUSE I'M A RELIABLE

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PERSON.

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>> Bill: GO BACK TO THIS MEETING

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WITH COHEN IN 2016.

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IT IS LATE OCTOBER, EARLY

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NOVEMBER.

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THE ELECTION HASN'T HAPPENED

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YET.

08:18

>> NO, NO, NO, NO.

08:20

IT IS APRIL.

08:22

IT'S APRIL.

08:24

>> Bill: WHAT YEAR?

08:27

>> 2018.

08:27

>> Bill: GOTCHA.

08:29

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW COHEN COULD

08:31

PRO CURE THE NDA ON HIS OWN,

08:34

RIGHT?

08:35

HE SAID HIS WIFE RAN THE HOUSE.

08:37

HE WENT OUT AND GOT A HOME

08:38

EQUITY LOAN, OKAY?

08:41

THEY ARE LIVING IN SOME PRETTY

08:43

FAT APARTMENTS ON PARK AVENUE.

08:45

THEY HAVE THE MONEY ON THE HOME

08:46

EQUITY LOAN IF THEY WANT IT.

08:48

HOW DOES HE SIGN IT WITHOUT HIS

08:51

WIFE KNOWING, WHICH HE HAS

08:52

TESTIFIED TO, AND WHY DOES HE DO

08:55

IT THEN AND IS IT SOLELY FOR THE

08:57

PURPOSE THAT HE THOUGHT DONALD

08:58

TRUMP WOULD GIVE HIM A GOOD JOB

09:00

IN THE ADMINISTRATION IF HE WERE

09:03

TO WIN?

09:05

>> WELL, THAT'S MULTIPLE

09:08

QUESTIONS THERE.

09:09

NUMBER ONE, HE GOT A HONE THAT

09:14

HE LEVERED TO IT FOR 130,000.

09:15

THE REASON HE DID IT THAT WAY,

09:17

HE TOLD US -- I HAVEN'T SEEN THE

09:20

PAPERWORK.

09:20

HE TOLD US HE DIDN'T WANT

09:22

MELANIA TO KNOW AND DIDN'T WANT

09:24

HIS OWN WIFE TO KNOW.

09:25

HE SAID HIS WIFE HANDLES THE

09:27

FAMILY FINANCES AND IF HE TOOK

09:29

ANY MONEY OUT OF ANY OF HIS

09:31

ACCOUNTS, SHE WOULD KNOW IT

09:31

RIGHT AWAY AND ACCORDING TO HIM

09:34

SHE WOULD ASK HIM 100 QUESTIONS

09:35

THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO ANSWER.

09:37

THAT'S HIS STATEMENT.

09:38

I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PAPERWORK FOR

09:40

THIS LOAN SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT

09:42

HE REPRESENTED TO THE BANK.

09:44

CHANCES ARE THAT HE DIDN'T TELL

09:46

THE TRUTH ON THAT APPLICATION.

09:47

HE DIDN'T SAY THIS IS GOING TO

09:49

BE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF A

09:52

NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.

09:52

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT.

09:54

I'M JUST GUESSING.

09:56

WHAT WAS YOUR OTHER QUESTION?

09:58

>> Bill: I HAD A FEW.

10:02

CAN I ASK YOU ANOTHER ONE?

10:04

WHY WAS ALLEN WEISSELBERG NOT

10:06

BEEN A WITNESS IN THIS CASE TO

10:09

DATE?

10:09

THE LONG-TIME ACCOUNTANT, RAN

10:11

THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION FOR MORE

10:13

THAN 40 YEARS.

10:14

>> WELL, I THINK IF YOU LISTEN

10:15

TO ANDY McCARTHY, WHO YOU JUST

10:17

HAD ON.

10:18

HE GAVE A VERY GOOD ANALYSIS.

10:20

AND THAT IS WE ARE PRESUMING

10:23

THAT ALLEN WEISSELBERG DOES NOT

10:25

HAVE ANY INFORMATION THAT WOULD

10:28

BE HELPFUL TO THE DISTRICT

10:29

ATTORNEY.

10:30

IF THEY THOUGHT HE HAD HELPFUL

10:32

INFORMATION THEY WOULD BRING HIM

10:33

FROM RYKER'S ISLAND TO THE

10:35

COURTHOUSE AND HAVE HIM TESTIFY.

10:37

THE FACT THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT

10:39

LEADS ONE TO REASONABLY CONCLUDE

10:41

THAT MAYBE WEISSELBERG DOESN'T

10:43

HAVE INFORMATION THAT HELPS HIM,

10:46

RATHER IT HELPS DONALD TRUMP.

10:47

I THINK ANDY McCARTHY IS 100%

10:49

CORRECT ON THAT.

10:50

>> Dana: A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS

10:52

IF YOU DON'T MIND.

10:53

HERE IS ONE.

10:54

IF COHEN DID ALL OF THIS ON HIS

10:57

OWN BUT THE JURY SEES THAT

10:59

DONALD TRUMP SIGNED THE CHECKS,

11:01

DOES THAT KIND OF EVIDENCE GO TO

11:04

THE PROSECUTION'S POINT?

11:06

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

11:09

LISTEN, THIS IS A PROSECUTION

11:11

FOR A FALSE STATEMENT IN A

11:13

BUSINESS RECORD.

11:16

FRANKLY, NONE OF THIS TAWDRY

11:19

STUFF SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED

11:21

IN.

11:21

IT WILL GET REVERSED IF THERE IS

11:24

A CONVICTION BUT AFTER THE

11:26

ELECTION PROBABLY.

11:26

THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.

11:28

>> Dana: OKAY.

11:29

>> THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP

11:30

SIGNS THE CHECKS DOESN'T MEAN

11:32

ANYTHING.

11:33

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CHECKS HE

11:34

SITS THERE AND SIGNS WHILE HE IS

11:35

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

11:36

HE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BUSY ON

11:39

SOMETHING ELSE.

11:39

>> Dana: DO YOU KNOW JUDGE

11:42

MERCHAN?

11:43

>> NO, NOT AT ALL.

11:44

NEVER MET HIM.

11:46

>> Dana: YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE

11:48

WITH NEW YORK JURIES.

11:51

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS

11:52

PARTICULAR JURY AND WHAT THEY

11:53

MIGHT BE THINKING ABOUT THIS

11:54

CASE AS THEY GET READY FOR JURY

11:58

INSTRUCTIONS FAIRLY SOON?

12:00

>> WELL, IT'S NEW YORK CITY.

12:02

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT 87% OF THE

12:06

VOTERS VOTED NOT FOR DONALD

12:07

TRUMP IN THE LAST ELECTION.

12:08

SO YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THERE

12:10

IS TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME

12:12

OUT THERE AND THAT THIS JURY

12:14

WILL BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT.

12:16

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS

12:21

JURY WHO WILL VOTE TO CONVICT

12:24

HIM WHETHER OR NOT THE EVIDENCE.

12:27

YOU NEED ONE OR TWO REASONABLE

12:28

PEOPLE TO HANG THE JURY.

12:29

IF I WAS BETTING ON THIS, I

12:31

WOULD BET THAT'S PROBABLY GOING

12:34

TO BE THE RESULT.

12:34

THEY MAY ACTUALLY JUST GET SO

12:38

DISGUSTED AND ACQUIT HIM.

12:39

IT'S HARD TO DO THAT WHEN 87% OF

12:43

THE PEOPLE VOTE FOR THE OTHER

12:44

GUY.

12:45

GO AHEAD.

12:46

>> Bill: WE'RE TOLD RIGHT NOW

12:48

THE SIDE BAR CONTINUES.

12:49

SO IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 15

12:51

MINUTES.

12:51

MAYBE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU

12:53

AS A WITNESS.

12:54

YOU ARE A FRIEND OF RUDY

12:57

GIULIANI AND HOW YOU CAME INTO

12:59

THIS ORBIT BY WAY OF NEW YORK

13:00

AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT BASED ON

13:02

YOUR RESUME.

13:03

THIS IS ONE OF YOUR EMAILS TO

13:06

MICHAEL COHEN.

13:07

THIS WAS APRIL OF 2018.

13:09

WE CAN PUT IT ON SCREEN.

13:13

GIULIANI ASKED ME TO TELL YOU HE

13:15

KNOWS HOW TOUGH IT IS ON YOU AND

13:17

YOUR FAMILY AND MAKE SURE TO

13:19

TELL THE PRESIDENT.

13:20

THANK YOU FOR OPENING THE BACK

13:21

CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION AND

13:23

ASKED ME TO KEEP IN TOUCH.

13:24

WHY WAS IT NECESSARY FOR YOU TO

13:27

BE A BACK CHANNEL AT THAT TIME?

13:30

>> IT WASN'T AND THAT PHRASE WAS

13:31

NOT MINE.

13:32

THAT WAS A WORD THAT RUDY USED.

13:37

PROBABLY AN UNFORTUNATE TERM.

13:39

THERE WAS NOTHING SNEAKY ABOUT

13:41

THIS.

13:41

I WAS REPRESENTING COHEN.

13:42

BY THE WAY, THAT FIRST MEETING

13:46

AT THE REGENCY MICHAEL COHEN

13:47

LIED TO THE JURY ALREADY ABOUT

13:48

THAT.

13:48

HE SAYS THAT RUDY GIULIANI AND I

13:51

WERE CONSPIRING ON EVEN ON THAT

13:53

DAY.

13:53

RUDY WASN'T EVEN REPRESENTING

13:55

DONALD TRUMP UNTIL A COUPLE OF

13:56

DAYS LATER.

13:57

YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS AN

14:00

EMAIL FROM ME INFORMING MICHAEL

14:03

COHEN DID YOU SEE THE REPORT IN

14:05

THE NEWSPAPER RUDY WILL NOW

14:06

REPRESENT TRUMP.

14:07

THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU, I KNOW RUDY

14:10

AND RUDY KNOWS ME.

14:11

THE REASON WHY IT'S GOOD WHEN

14:12

YOU ARE TALKING TO A LAWYER

14:14

REPRESENTING SOMEBODY ELSE, IF

14:16

YOU'VE KNOWN THAT LAWYER FOR 40,

14:17

50 YEARS AND YOU KNOW THAT THE

14:19

PERSON IS TRUSTWORTHY, IT MAKES

14:21

THINGS A LOT EASIER.

14:22

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

14:24

AND WHAT COHEN DID -- GO AHEAD.

14:27

>> Bill: YOU SAID HE TOLD YOU

14:29

TEN TIMES, 12 TIMES I DON'T HAVE

14:32

ANYTHING ON DONALD TRUMP.

14:33

WHY WOULD -- SO HIS STORY IS

14:35

ENTIRELY DIFFERENT NOW.

14:36

HE HAS DONE A 180.

14:40

SO MAYBE THE JURORS BELIEVE HIM

14:42

TODAY AND THEY WOULD NOT BELIEVE

14:44

SOMETHING FROM SIX YEARS AGO,

14:48

ROBERT.

14:50

>> THE REST OF THE PROOF DOESN'T

14:52

SUPPORT MICHAEL COHEN.

14:53

BY THE WAY, ONE THING YOU ARE

14:55

NOT REPORTING YET IS THAT

14:57

BESIDES MAKING THAT STATEMENT I

14:58

SWEAR TO GOD I DON'T HAVE

15:01

ANYTHING ON DONALD TRUMP, HE

15:03

ALSO SAID MORE TIMES THAN THAT

15:06

ANSWER, GUYS, I WANT YOU TO

15:09

UNDERSTAND, I WILL DO WHATEVER

15:10

THE F I HAVE TO DO.

15:12

I WILL NEVER SPEND A DAY IN JAIL

15:14

AND THEN HE WOULD SLAM HIS HAND

15:16

ON THE CONFERENCE ROOM TABLE.

15:18

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU?

15:20

THAT MEANS THIS GUY IS SAYING I

15:22

WILL LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, DO

15:24

WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO, I'M NOT

15:25

GOING TO JAIL.

15:26

HE DID GO TO JAIL.

15:28

AND WHO DO YOU THINK HE BLAMES

15:30

FOR THAT?

15:32

AND WHY DO YOU THINK HE NAMES

15:34

HIS MOST RECENT BOOK REVENGE?

15:36

QUITE FRANKLY, HE IS USING THIS

15:39

TO MONETIZE HIMSELF BECAUSE THIS

15:40

IS THE ONLY WAY THIS GUY CAN

15:42

MAKE MONEY RIGHT NOW, SELLING

15:44

BOOKS AND T-SHIRTS AND TRINKETS

15:46

AND BEING THE ULTIMATE

15:48

ANTI-TRUMPER.

15:49

AND BECAUSE HE WAS DOING THAT ON

15:51

TV, AND I SAW THAT, I SAID I

15:53

CAN'T SIT BY AND LET THIS GUY

15:56

TELL THE GRAND JURY, TELL THE

15:58

JURORS NOW THIS FALSE STORY WHEN

16:00

HE TOLD US THE OPPOSITE STORY AT

16:03

A MOMENT WHEN HE WAS DESPERATELY

16:05

SEEKING A WAY OUT AND WAS

16:07

WILLING TO KILL HIMSELF.

16:08

AND CERTAINLY COOPERATING WITH

16:10

TRUTHFUL INFORMATION IS A LOT

16:12

EASIER.

16:13

BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY TRUTHFUL

16:15

INFORMATION.

16:15

>> Dana: THAT LEADS ME TO A

16:17

QUESTION I WAS THINKING ABOUT

16:18

ASKING YOU.

16:18

YOU HAVE HAD TIME WITH MICHAEL

16:20

COHEN, I HAVE NOT.

16:22

I'M WONDERING ABOUT HOW YOU

16:23

THINK HIS STATE OF MIND IS NOW,

16:25

BECAUSE AS YOU SAID HE WAS

16:27

SUICIDAL WHEN HE FIRST MET YOU.

16:29

HE DID GO TO JAIL.

16:30

NOW WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED

16:32

REVENGE AND SAID TO THE

16:33

PROSECUTION HE DOES WANT TRUMP

16:34

TO BE CONVICTED.

16:36

AND HE IS GETTING SOME STRANGE

16:39

NEW RESPECT FROM LIBERAL MEDIA

16:41

AND COMMENTATORS, EVEN ACTRESSES

16:46

AND COMEDIANS ON THE LEFT WING

16:48

PERSPECTIVE.

16:49

I WONDER HOW HE THINKS ABOUT

16:50

THAT?

16:51

DOES HE RESPOND TO THAT KIND OF

16:55

FLATTERY?

16:55

ALSO THE WAY HE CAN CONTINUE TO

16:58

MAKE MONEY TO SUPPORT HIS

16:59

FAMILY.

17:00

>> THE ANSWER IS BOTH.

17:02

HE DOES RESPOND TO THE FLATTERY.

17:04

HE IS LOOKING TO MAKE MONEY.

17:05

AND HE HAS BEEN MAKING MONEY.

17:07

HE HAS A PODCAST APPARENTLY

17:13

CALLED IT'S LATIN THAT MEANS

17:17

THROUGH MY FAULT.

17:18

IT'S THROUGH HIS FAULT WE'RE ALL

17:21

TALKING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

17:22

>> Bill: THE SIDE BAR IS OVER.

17:24

LASTED 20 MINUTES.

17:25

THE JUDGE SAID I APOLOGIZE FOR

17:27

THE WHISPERING.

17:28

THE JURY IS NOW BEING BROUGHT

17:29

INTO THE COURTROOM AND SO IS

17:31

MICHAEL COHEN.

17:32

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT GETS UNDERWAY

17:36

MOMENTARILY.

17:38

FINAL QUESTION.

17:40

DO YOU THINK MICHAEL COHEN WAS

17:43

TELLING THE TRUTH IN 2018?

17:45

MAYBE HE WAS LYING SIX YEARS

17:49

AGO.

17:49

MAYBE HE HAS FLIPPED AGAIN.

17:50

>> THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

17:52

HOWEVER.

17:53

>> I WAS IN THE COURTROOM THE

17:55

OTHER DAY AND IT WAS A

17:58

WELL-REHEARSED SHOW BETWEEN THE

17:59

PROSECUTOR AND MICHAEL COHEN, Q

18:02

AND A, Q AND A, FLIP THE PAGE.

18:05

HE COULD ALMOST ANTICIPATE THE

18:07

QUESTION.

18:07

HE WAS VERY WELL-REHEARSED.

18:10

IF YOU ARE SAYING HE IS LYING

18:11

NOW, WHO IS TO SAY HE WASN'T

18:14

LYING THEN WHEN YOU FIRST CAME

18:15

ACROSS HIM?

18:16

>> I WILL TELL YOU WHY I BELIEVE

18:18

THAT WHAT HE TOLD US IN 2018 WAS

18:21

THE TRUTH.

18:22

NUMBER ONE, AS I SAID HE WAS

18:24

SUICIDE ALL DESPERATELY LOOKING

18:26

FOR A WAY OUT.

18:27

THE WAY OUT WAS CLEAR, TO

18:30

COOPERATE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP

18:30

IF HE HAD TRUTHFUL INFORMATION.

18:32

HE DIDN'T TAKE THAT WAY OUT.

18:33

ALL DAY LONG HE SAID I DON'T

18:36

HAVE ANYTHING.

18:37

BUT I WILL DO WHATEVER THE F I

18:39

HAVE TO DO, I WILL NEVER SPEND A

18:41

DAY IN JAIL.

18:43

HERE IS THE OTHER THING.

18:45

DONALD TRUMP, WHEN HE WENT TO

18:47

WASHINGTON, D.C., WHEN HE WAS

18:49

ELECTED, HE TOOK THE WHOLE TRUMP

18:51

INNER CIRCLE TO WASHINGTON WITH

18:53

ONE EXCEPTION, MICHAEL COHEN.

18:55

THEY LEFT HIM BACK IN NEW YORK.

18:57

MICHAEL COHEN WAS VERY UNHAPPY

18:59

ABOUT THAT.

18:59

AS I TESTIFIED YESTERDAY, DURING

19:01

ONE OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH

19:03

MICHAEL COHEN WHEN I ASKED HIM

19:05

MICHAEL, WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU

19:06

WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU DID GO TO

19:08

WASHINGTON, D.C.?

19:09

HE SAID I THOUGHT I COULD BE

19:12

ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED

19:13

STATES OR AT LEAST CHIEF OF

19:15

STAFF TO THE PRESIDENT.

19:16

NOW, AS LUDICROUS AS THAT

19:18

SOUNDS, I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY

19:20

ONE THAT HE HAD SAID THAT TO

19:22

UNTIL I NOTICED THAT DURING

19:24

CROSS EXAMINATION OF I THINK IT

19:27

WAS STORMY DANIELS LAWYER COHEN

19:29

ACTUALLY SAID THAT TO HIM.

19:31

YOUR ADVERSARY AND YOU ARE

19:34

NEGOTIATING WITH THIS GUY FOR AN

19:36

NDA AND TELLING HIM HOW ANNOYED

19:40

YOU ARE WHERE DONALD TRUMP

19:42

DIDN'T BRING YOU TO WASHINGTON

19:44

WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL OR CHIEF

19:46

OF STAFF?

19:47

HE WENT TO JAIL AND HE IS LEFT

19:49

ALONE IN NEW YORK.

19:50

I THINK THAT'S HIS MOTIVATION

19:52

NOW.

19:52

>> Dana: ROBERT COSTELLO, THANK

19:54

YOU SO MUCH FOR SPENDING THIS

19:56

TIME WITH US.

19:57

VERY VALUABLE AND INSIGHTFUL.

19:59

>> Bill: MAYBE WE'LL SEE YOU

20:02

AGAIN.

20:03

>> Dana: IT SOUNDS LIKE WE

20:07

MIGHT.

20:07

>> Bill: THERE ARE 11

20:10

REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE TODAY.

20:12

WHITE SHIRT, RED TIE TODAY.

20:13

SO HE IS SPORTING THE RED, WHITE

20:15

AND BLUE AS WELL.

20:16

DONALD TRUMP IS THERE NOW WITH

20:17

THE JURY AND MICHAEL COHEN IS ON

20:19

THE STAND AND WE'LL GET OUR

20:21

FIRST

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